Re: Table field text formating
JB, FWIW, I believe the Rev text engine is something written specifically for Rev to be cross-platform and does not plug in to platform specific engines such as MLTE. So the upside is that they can pretty much do whatever they want (and have it work cross platform). The downside is that Rev doesn't always automatically inherit OS-specific features. This may have changed in the past couple of years, but as far as I know that's the case. Thank you for the info and code. I wasn't the one who started this thread and from your statement about wrecking any text parsing I will hold off on justification for now. But it is important to know if the Rev Team decides to use Apples MLTE text engine you can be assured Kerning and Tracking will not ever be made available so it is time to forget it or write your own text engine using and extension or whatever. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
Brian, I had heard that too but then after hearing they were doing a rewrite to improve text and fields I was wondering if they were going the MLTE route. I think MLTE is based on ATSUI and if they used ATSUI it would allow kerning tracking. -=JB=- On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:44 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: JB, FWIW, I believe the Rev text engine is something written specifically for Rev to be cross-platform and does not plug in to platform specific engines such as MLTE. So the upside is that they can pretty much do whatever they want (and have it work cross platform). The downside is that Rev doesn't always automatically inherit OS-specific features. This may have changed in the past couple of years, but as far as I know that's the case. Thank you for the info and code. I wasn't the one who started this thread and from your statement about wrecking any text parsing I will hold off on justification for now. But it is important to know if the Rev Team decides to use Apples MLTE text engine you can be assured Kerning and Tracking will not ever be made available so it is time to forget it or write your own text engine using and extension or whatever. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:02:24 -0400 From: william humphrey shoreag...@gmail.com Subject: Table field text formating To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: 459b22a90812170802p31aef3a3oeb0c1d1955411...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I keep running into this problem and making work-arounds that are not at all elegant. It would sure be wonderful if you could set the alignment in one column of a table field to right and the next column in the same table field to another alignment say left. Is there a way to do this? Bill, Some time ago there was a thread concerning fully justified text. It was a while ago and I don't remember the details. I wrote a plug-in to do this. In the message box enter the following to see the utility. go url http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/JustifyTextPlugin.rev; It might give you some ideas for right justification. Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Table field text formating
I keep running into this problem and making work-arounds that are not at all elegant. It would sure be wonderful if you could set the alignment in one column of a table field to right and the next column in the same table field to another alignment say left. Is there a way to do this? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
Jan William, I keep running into this problem and making work-arounds that are not at all elegant. It would sure be wonderful if you could set the alignment in one column of a table field to right and the next column in the same table field to another alignment say left. Is there a way to do this? I'm afraid not. The closest you'll get is by using multiple fields and making them scroll and hilite lines in unison One can always use a non-proportional font and pad right-justified (or decimal-justified) fields with leading blanks to achieve the proper alignment. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
IMHO Courier is the most universally available monospaced font. I like slashed zeroes to contrast with UC O's. Also the open source TruetypeProfont is severe to look at for code, but presents a great image for numbers lists. No testing on Windows - but these are long established and familiar fonts on all platforms. What is the name of the best non-proportional font to use for both windoz and Mac? It is mainly for numbers. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a non-proportional font that was proportional for just letters? -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
Thanks a lot. It is sure a lot easier to do that and display my data in one big field than make lots of little ones which line up next to each other. I see why people keep asking for better table field controls. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: IMHO Courier is the most universally available monospaced font. I like slashed zeroes to contrast with UC O's. Also the open source TruetypeProfont is severe to look at for code, but presents a great image for numbers lists. No testing on Windows - but these are long established and familiar fonts on all platforms. What is the name of the best non-proportional font to use for both windoz and Mac? It is mainly for numbers. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a non-proportional font that was proportional for just letters? -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
Le 17 déc. 08 à 17:02, william humphrey a écrit : I keep running into this problem and making work-arounds that are not at all elegant. It would sure be wonderful if you could set the alignment in one column of a table field to right and the next column in the same table field to another alignment say left. Is there a way to do this? In one stack I have a field whose lines are composed of items delimited by tab. In order to get each item right aligned I use the following (that I learned from this list thanks to Jacque Landman Gay if I well remember) : local theWidth,theText put 8 into theWidth -- or another number of course REPEAT WITH y = 1 to the number of lines in uneVente -- uneVente is a local variable set the itemdel to tab REPEAT WITH x = 1 to the number of items in line y of uneVente IF item x of line y of uneVente is a number THEN put item x of line y of uneVente into theText put char 1 to theWidth of theText into theText -- truNcate long strings put char 1 to (theWidth - the length of theText) of before theText put theText into item x of line y of uneVente END IF END repeat END repeat Then I put « uneVente » into the field. Not sure in your case but might help (?) Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
--- william humphrey shoreag...@gmail.com wrote: I keep running into this problem and making work-arounds that are not at all elegant. It would sure be wonderful if you could set the alignment in one column of a table field to right and the next column in the same table field to another alignment say left. Is there a way to do this? I'm afraid not. The closest you'll get is by using multiple fields and making them scroll and hilite lines in unison; but then you'll also have to fill them in one column at a time. Hopefully we will one day have a true table control, or some kind sould builds a reusable table group which takes care of this for Rev developers. Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports PDF Library for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
What is the name of the best non-proportional font to use for both windoz and Mac? It is mainly for numbers. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a non-proportional font that was proportional for just letters? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On Dec 17, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote: IMHO Courier is the most universally available monospaced font. stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - What would be really nice is if the Rev Team would supply a character to be used. It seems a space is standard. Why not provide a space character that is 1 point in size. Then it would be simple math to justify text that would work on any machine. You would be able to do your own columns in a field if you wanted. You would not be limited to someone else determining the space between words when it was justified. I have trouble believing that is too difficult. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
-= JB =- wrote: What would be really nice is if the Rev Team would supply a character to be used. It seems a space is standard. Why not provide a space character that is 1 point in size. Then it would be simple math to justify text that would work on any machine. You would be able to do your own columns in a field if you wanted. You would not be limited to someone else determining the space between words when it was justified. It would be far more efficient and robust if Rev simply added independent column alignment as has been the #1 request for many years. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: -= JB =- wrote: What would be really nice is if the Rev Team would supply a character to be used. It seems a space is standard. Why not provide a space character that is 1 point in size. Then it would be simple math to justify text that would work on any machine. You would be able to do your own columns in a field if you wanted. You would not be limited to someone else determining the space between words when it was justified. It would be far more efficient and robust if Rev simply added independent column alignment as has been the #1 request for many years. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ I agree they should add independent column alignment. But they should also add a 1 point space for people so they can justify text how they want it to look. There are many cases where this would be very useful. It would be nice to have the choice because both are very important. -=JB=- use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
-= JB =- wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: It would be far more efficient and robust if Rev simply added independent column alignment as has been the #1 request for many years. I agree they should add independent column alignment. But they should also add a 1 point space for people so they can justify text how they want it to look. There are many cases where this would be very useful. It would be nice to have the choice because both are very important. It may be easier to get the exact feature you need than to ask RunRev to become a type foundry. If all you need is a one-pixel font, I'm sure there are plenty around. But perhaps we might ask why this is useful, and look one step further to the mechanics of the underlying text rendering in the field object to get exactly what we most want. It may be that such additions would become trivial once RunRev adds independent column alignment to fields. Slogging through big blocks of text line by line and/or word by word, measuring each and adding/subtracting a number of special one-pixel characters can be quite slow, and not the sort of thing I enjoy teaching to newcomers for simple text alignment. So hopefully instead we can just get the appearance we want just as we want it at the moment it's rendered. I doesn't hurt to ask. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: -= JB =- wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: It would be far more efficient and robust if Rev simply added independent column alignment as has been the #1 request for many years. I agree they should add independent column alignment. But they should also add a 1 point space for people so they can justify text how they want it to look. There are many cases where this would be very useful. It would be nice to have the choice because both are very important. It may be easier to get the exact feature you need than to ask RunRev to become a type foundry. If all you need is a one-pixel font, I'm sure there are plenty around. But perhaps we might ask why this is useful, and look one step further to the mechanics of the underlying text rendering in the field object to get exactly what we most want. It may be that such additions would become trivial once RunRev adds independent column alignment to fields. Slogging through big blocks of text line by line and/or word by word, measuring each and adding/subtracting a number of special one- pixel characters can be quite slow, and not the sort of thing I enjoy teaching to newcomers for simple text alignment. So hopefully instead we can just get the appearance we want just as we want it at the moment it's rendered. I doesn't hurt to ask. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com Well if a 1 pixel character is so common then it would be extremely easy for the Rev Team to include it and I would not have to add a font for it. As for the usefulness it is unlimited. Text can be positioned where you want it not just aligned according to Left-Center-Right-Full. The one point space would allow kerning. The choice of alignment is important but kerning it too. Many people would never see a need for kerning but it needs to be there for those who who do want it. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
-= JB =- wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: ... If all you need is a one-pixel font, I'm sure there are plenty around. But perhaps we might ask why this is useful, and look one step further to the mechanics of the underlying text rendering in the field object to get exactly what we most want. It may be that such additions would become trivial once RunRev adds independent column alignment to fields. Slogging through big blocks of text line by line and/or word by word, measuring each and adding/subtracting a number of special one- pixel characters can be quite slow, and not the sort of thing I enjoy teaching to newcomers for simple text alignment. So hopefully instead we can just get the appearance we want just as we want it at the moment it's rendered. I doesn't hurt to ask. :) Well if a 1 pixel character is so common then it would be extremely easy for the Rev Team to include it and I would not have to add a font for it. As for the usefulness it is unlimited. Text can be positioned where you want it not just aligned according to Left-Center-Right-Full. The one point space would allow kerning. The choice of alignment is important but kerning it too. Many people would never see a need for kerning but it needs to be there for those who who do want it. Done: just set the imageSource of the character you want rendered as one pixel to an image with a width of one pixel. Let us know what you come up with using it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On Dec 17, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: -= JB =- wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: .. If all you need is a one-pixel font, I'm sure there are plenty around. But perhaps we might ask why this is useful, and look one step further to the mechanics of the underlying text rendering in the field object to get exactly what we most want. It may be that such additions would become trivial once RunRev adds independent column alignment to fields. Slogging through big blocks of text line by line and/or word by word, measuring each and adding/subtracting a number of special one- pixel characters can be quite slow, and not the sort of thing I enjoy teaching to newcomers for simple text alignment. So hopefully instead we can just get the appearance we want just as we want it at the moment it's rendered. I doesn't hurt to ask. :) Well if a 1 pixel character is so common then it would be extremely easy for the Rev Team to include it and I would not have to add a font for it. As for the usefulness it is unlimited. Text can be positioned where you want it not just aligned according to Left-Center-Right-Full. The one point space would allow kerning. The choice of alignment is important but kerning it too. Many people would never see a need for kerning but it needs to be there for those who who do want it. Done: just set the imageSource of the character you want rendered as one pixel to an image with a width of one pixel. Let us know what you come up with using it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com Using an image has been discussed before. How would you like to use an image every time you wanted to add a space? It would be a lot nicer to not use an image instead of a text character. Look at it this way. With the 1 character added Rev could advertise it allows both Kerning and Tracking. To those in the publishing industry that means a lot. Now they can advertise you can convert a character into an image every time you need to use tracking or kerning. What do you think is going to help sell Rev better? Look at how many asked for text improvement. And since it is so simple it would be idiotic for them not to add it even if only a small percentage of people are interested in serious desk top publishing capabilities. Kerning and Tracking are extremely important in quality desktop publishing and have been and still are important in almost every newspaper, magazine etc. that is printed. People care about it but many are not aware of it. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
JB, I think you may be vastly underestimating the task of supporting kerning and tracking by using dummy spaces inserted into the flow of text. Among other things, this would render your text impossible to parse and be quite slow. What's appealing about strange 1 pixel characters inserted into your text in a non-standard font that makes it better than the image solution? At least with the images, you can use any character and any font for your spacer. I agree that all of these features would be useful, but I disagree that 1-pixel fonts would really accomplish much towards that goal. Using an image has been discussed before. How would you like to use an image every time you wanted to add a space? It would be a lot nicer to not use an image instead of a text character. Look at it this way. With the 1 character added Rev could advertise it allows both Kerning and Tracking. To those in the publishing industry that means a lot. Now they can advertise you can convert a character into an image every time you need to use tracking or kerning. What do you think is going to help sell Rev better? Look at how many asked for text improvement. And since it is so simple it would be idiotic for them not to add it even if only a small percentage of people are interested in serious desk top publishing capabilities. Kerning and Tracking are extremely important in quality desktop publishing and have been and still are important in almost every newspaper, magazine etc. that is printed. People care about it but many are not aware of it. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
Brian, Whatever way it is done Rev should include it as a standard and then they can advertise it includes the ability for kerning and tracking. They can have a standard key used to enter the character. Maybe something like a control-space. Of course this can probably be done now using key commands available but if they included it as a standard it would mean a lot to those who care about it. Since it is so simple why not include it? -=JB=- On Dec 17, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: JB, I think you may be vastly underestimating the task of supporting kerning and tracking by using dummy spaces inserted into the flow of text. Among other things, this would render your text impossible to parse and be quite slow. What's appealing about strange 1 pixel characters inserted into your text in a non-standard font that makes it better than the image solution? At least with the images, you can use any character and any font for your spacer. I agree that all of these features would be useful, but I disagree that 1-pixel fonts would really accomplish much towards that goal. Using an image has been discussed before. How would you like to use an image every time you wanted to add a space? It would be a lot nicer to not use an image instead of a text character. Look at it this way. With the 1 character added Rev could advertise it allows both Kerning and Tracking. To those in the publishing industry that means a lot. Now they can advertise you can convert a character into an image every time you need to use tracking or kerning. What do you think is going to help sell Rev better? Look at how many asked for text improvement. And since it is so simple it would be idiotic for them not to add it even if only a small percentage of people are interested in serious desk top publishing capabilities. Kerning and Tracking are extremely important in quality desktop publishing and have been and still are important in almost every newspaper, magazine etc. that is printed. People care about it but many are not aware of it. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
Could you replace each space with an image whose width you've set? Could you replace any character with a snapshot of itself whose width you've set? -- Dick On 12/17/08 6:17 PM, -= JB =- sund...@pacifier.com wrote: Brian, Whatever way it is done Rev should include it as a standard and then they can advertise it includes the ability for kerning and tracking. They can have a standard key used to enter the character. Maybe something like a control-space. Of course this can probably be done now using key commands available but if they included it as a standard it would mean a lot to those who care about it. Since it is so simple why not include it? -=JB=- On Dec 17, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: JB, I think you may be vastly underestimating the task of supporting kerning and tracking by using dummy spaces inserted into the flow of text. Among other things, this would render your text impossible to parse and be quite slow. What's appealing about strange 1 pixel characters inserted into your text in a non-standard font that makes it better than the image solution? At least with the images, you can use any character and any font for your spacer. I agree that all of these features would be useful, but I disagree that 1-pixel fonts would really accomplish much towards that goal. Using an image has been discussed before. How would you like to use an image every time you wanted to add a space? It would be a lot nicer to not use an image instead of a text character. Look at it this way. With the 1 character added Rev could advertise it allows both Kerning and Tracking. To those in the publishing industry that means a lot. Now they can advertise you can convert a character into an image every time you need to use tracking or kerning. What do you think is going to help sell Rev better? Look at how many asked for text improvement. And since it is so simple it would be idiotic for them not to add it even if only a small percentage of people are interested in serious desk top publishing capabilities. Kerning and Tracking are extremely important in quality desktop publishing and have been and still are important in almost every newspaper, magazine etc. that is printed. People care about it but many are not aware of it. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
I agree it would be a nice feature. I'm not so sure that it's so simple. I would think it would be quite difficult to add pro layout features like this to Rev's text engine with support for all platforms and seamless backward compatibility. Whatever way it is done Rev should include it as a standard and then they can advertise it includes the ability for kerning and tracking. They can have a standard key used to enter the character. Maybe something like a control-space. Of course this can probably be done now using key commands available but if they included it as a standard it would mean a lot to those who care about it. Since it is so simple why not include it? -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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That is why as a serious desktop publisher I haven't taken the time to use the image idea. It might be good for a very rare occasion to convert images but it does not solve the problem unless Rev does it all behind the scene as a standard. And that leaves us where we are until Rev improves their text abilities and that is why those who want it will need to keep asking and not settle for a quick fix that is limited to their stack. -=JB=- On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: I agree it would be a nice feature. I'm not so sure that it's so simple. I would think it would be quite difficult to add pro layout features like this to Rev's text engine with support for all platforms and seamless backward compatibility. Whatever way it is done Rev should include it as a standard and then they can advertise it includes the ability for kerning and tracking. They can have a standard key used to enter the character. Maybe something like a control-space. Of course this can probably be done now using key commands available but if they included it as a standard it would mean a lot to those who care about it. Since it is so simple why not include it? -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
-= JB =- wrote: Look at it this way. With the 1 character added Rev could advertise it allows both Kerning and Tracking. To those in the publishing industry that means a lot. I can imagine the outcry that would occur if RR advertised kerning and tracking and instead supplied a method where false spaces needed to be manually inserted between characters. Desktop publishers wouldn't stand for it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: -= JB =- wrote: Look at it this way. With the 1 character added Rev could advertise it allows both Kerning and Tracking. To those in the publishing industry that means a lot. I can imagine the outcry that would occur if RR advertised kerning and tracking and instead supplied a method where false spaces needed to be manually inserted between characters. Desktop publishers wouldn't stand for it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.co You are right, they need to do a professional job. That is the whole point of asking them to add it instead of me doing something. I know the above statement by me looks like I am saying they could just add crap and claim it is professional. I really don't mean that and don't want that. But the claims were being made it is so simple that I can do it now with the image but it appears like you say this won't do the job from a professional point. If nobody ask for kerning and Tracking the Rev Team might not see people want it. They say they are improving fields and text capabilities and only they know how easy it can or cannot ever be added to the engine they are designing. With the new OS X text engine Kerning and Tracking cannot be added so I do not like their engine. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
-= JB =- wrote: You are right, they need to do a professional job. That is the whole point of asking them to add it instead of me doing something. I know the above statement by me looks like I am saying they could just add crap and claim it is professional. I really don't mean that and don't want that. But the claims were being made it is so simple that I can do it now with the image but it appears like you say this won't do the job from a professional point. I think the number of professional DTPers using Rev is probably pretty small, and the overlap of those who both do DTP and want to program is very narrow. Rev is a programming tool, and needs to address a wide variety of features for many different purposes. Upgraded text handling is definitely on their list of things to do, but for now I'd hate to see them waste time putting in an awkward work-around. I'd rather they just worked on the real thing when the time comes. In the mean time, put this in a field and kern away: on keyup which if which = space and the controlkey is down then put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tPos put space into the selection set the textsize of char tPos of me to 1 -- adjust if necessary else pass keyup end keyup No images required, but it will definitely wreck any text parsing you want to do. The same would apply to your proposed work-around though, so this script should be a parallel solution. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I think the number of professional DTPers using Rev is probably pretty small, and the overlap of those who both do DTP and want to program is very narrow. Rev is a programming tool, and needs to address a wide variety of features for many different purposes. Upgraded text handling is definitely on their list of things to do, but for now I'd hate to see them waste time putting in an awkward work-around. I'd rather they just worked on the real thing when the time comes. In the mean time, put this in a field and kern away: on keyup which if which = space and the controlkey is down then put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tPos put space into the selection set the textsize of char tPos of me to 1 -- adjust if necessary else pass keyup end keyup No images required, but it will definitely wreck any text parsing you want to do. The same would apply to your proposed work-around though, so this script should be a parallel solution. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ Thank you for the info and code. I wasn't the one who started this thread and from your statement about wrecking any text parsing I will hold off on justification for now. But it is important to know if the Rev Team decides to use Apples MLTE text engine you can be assured Kerning and Tracking will not ever be made available so it is time to forget it or write your own text engine using and extension or whatever. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On 17-Dec-08, at 9:12 PM, Richard wrote: It may be easier to get the exact feature you need than to ask RunRev to become a type foundry. If all you need is a one-pixel font, I'm sure there are plenty around. But perhaps we might ask why this is useful, and look one step further to the mechanics of the underlying text rendering in the field object to get exactly what we most want. It may be that such additions would become trivial once RunRev adds independent column alignment to fields. Slogging through big blocks of text line by line and/or word by word, measuring each and adding/subtracting a number of special one-pixel characters can be quite slow, and not the sort of thing I enjoy teaching to newcomers for simple text alignment. So hopefully instead we can just get the appearance we want just as we want it at the moment it's rendered. I doesn't hurt to ask. :) Yes, and we have those text-description languages available now: postscript (which most of us now experience as PDF) and TeX/LaTeX--- both of which microtype to way (way!) better than a 1-pixel character. Writing the code for either is (relatively) trivial. So, given every modern operating system has engines for both, all Rev has to do is invoke the engines when needed. For example, in addition to html, one should be able to declare a field postscript or TeX/LaTeX, put the code, and Rev simply calls the appropriate engine/renderer to produce it. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
John Vokey wrote: On 17-Dec-08, at 9:12 PM, Richard wrote: If all you need is a one-pixel font, I'm sure there are plenty around. But perhaps we might ask why this is useful, and look one step further to the mechanics of the underlying text rendering in the field object to get exactly what we most want. It may be that such additions would become trivial once RunRev adds independent column alignment to fields. Slogging through big blocks of text line by line and/or word by word, measuring each and adding/subtracting a number of special one-pixel characters can be quite slow, and not the sort of thing I enjoy teaching to newcomers for simple text alignment. So hopefully instead we can just get the appearance we want just as we want it at the moment it's rendered. I doesn't hurt to ask. :) Yes, and we have those text-description languages available now: postscript (which most of us now experience as PDF) and TeX/LaTeX--- both of which microtype to way (way!) better than a 1-pixel character. Writing the code for either is (relatively) trivial. So, given every modern operating system has engines for both, all Rev has to do is invoke the engines when needed. For example, in addition to html, one should be able to declare a field postscript or TeX/LaTeX, put the code, and Rev simply calls the appropriate engine/renderer to produce it. A stroke of genius, Dr. Vokey. I was pondering sub-pixel measurements over dinner this evening, unsure if even twips would suffice. Then I come back to read your post. Yes indeed, it would seem the essentials are available for all platforms. Maybe somewhere down the road (after independent column alignment, of course g), we just might see that sort of text rendering flexibility in Rev. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
