Typesetting functions
Sorry for the late post, I'm trying to catch up. I noticed that no-one posted an actual solution so here is mine. Don't hold your breath on getting these functions added to RR. I have been asking for this type of improvement to add simple text handling routines since RR 1.1 which would allow the generation of more text processing / reports applications. This is a routine that I use to generate a tabstop that will center a short line or title for each line that contains a char of my choosing in a card field called Other Data. Sorry I haven't completely commented it. Merry Christmas on doTabCenter --Align Center Command (Centers a short line or title on the field) put the lockscreen into tLockScreen lock screen put empty into fld Other Data put the tabstops of cd fld Other Data into tTabStops repeat while cd fld Other Data contains » -- This is the char I chose to indicate which lines to center put the cTabCenterLine of cd fld Other Data into tTabCenterLine --Tab location to center line / self generates put the cTabCenterLineText of cd fld Other Data into tTabCenterLineText --Tab location to center line / self generates put the item 1 of the loc of cd fld Other Data into tCenterTab put lineoffset (»,cd fld Other Data) into tLn put line tLn of cd fld Other Data into tLine put the HTMLtext of line tLn of cd fld Other Data into tmpLine put tmpLine into line tLn of tTabCenterLineText replace #9; with empty in tmpLine replace nbsp; with empty in tmpLine set the htmltext of line tLn of cd fld Other Data to tmpLine delete char offset (»,line tLn of cd fld Other Data) of line tLn of cd fld Other Data put line tLn of cd fld Other Datainto tText put the formattedWidth of line tLn of cd fld Other Data into tWidthOfTitle select word 1 of line tLn of cd fld Other Data put item 2 of the selectedLoc into tLocWordA put space » after line tLn of cd fld Other Data repeat put offset (tText, line tLn of cd fld Other Data) into tLocChar2 put before char tLocChar2 of line tLn of cd fld Other Data put offset (», line tLn of cd fld Other Data) into tLocChar3 select char (tLocChar3) of line tLn of cd fld Other Data put item 2 of the selectedLoc into tLocWordB if tLocWordA tLocWordB then exit repeat end repeat delete char (tLocChar3) of line tLn of cd fld Other Data subtract 1 from tLocChar3 put the formattedWidth of char 1 to (tLocChar3) of line tLn of cd fld Other Data into tWidthOfLine put number of chars of line tLn of cd fld Other Data into tLocChar3 delete char (tLocChar3) of line tLn of cd fld Other Data delete char 1 to ( offset (tText,line tLn of cd fld Other Data ) - 1) of line tLn of cd fld Other Data put round (tWidthOfLine / 2) into tCenterTab1 put round (tWidthOfTitle / 2) into tTabWidth1 subtract tTabWidth1 from tCenterTab1 put tCenterTab1 into line tLn of tTabCenterLine end repeat repeat for each line tCenterLine in tTabCenterLine if tCenterLine is empty then next repeat put true into tAddStop repeat with i = 1 to number of items of tTabStops -- i for each item tItem in tTabStops if item i of tTabStops = tCenterTab1 then put false into tAddStop exit repeat end if end repeat if tAddStop then if tTabStops is empty then put tCenterTab1 after tTabStops else put , tCenterTab1 after tTabStops end if sort items of tTabStops ascending numeric end repeat set the cTabCenterLine of cd fld Other Data to tTabCenterLine --Tab location to center line set the cTabCenterLineText of cd fld Other Data to tTabCenterLineText set the tabstops of cd fld Other Data to tTabStops repeat for each line tCenterTabLoc in tTabCenterLine put lineoffset (raquo;,tTabCenterLineText) into tLn if tLn = 0 then exit repeat put line tLn of tTabCenterLine into tCenterTabLoc put empty into line tLn of tTabCenterLineText if tCenterTabLoc is empty then next repeat repeat with i = 1 to number of items of tTabStops put tab before line tLn of cd fld Other Data --put the formattedWidth char 1 to ( offset (tText,line tLn of cd fld Other Data ) - 1) of line tLn of cd fld Other Data into tTextCenterAlign if item i of tTabStops = tCenterTabLoc then exit repeat end repeat end repeat set the lockscreen to tLockScreen end doTabCenter I also have a routine that will indent a wrapped line into an indented paragraph similar to the increase indent that I could post if you are interested. Dave Calkins On Dec 16, 2005, at 2:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Typesetting functions To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed As one who is spoiled by options for very
Re: Typesetting functions
- Original Message - I'll check on Scott rolling credits... Sivakatirswami I can pretty much guarantee that until computer monitors have 2000+ pixels to the inch, it'll never happen. Dammit!!! Andy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Andy, Sorry, but this is possible in FreeHand 1.0 or illustrator 1.0 eons ago ;) But there's another good reason to have 3D in rev to zoom in further ;) cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of yoy Sent: Saturday, 17 December, 2005 11:12 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Typesetting functions - Original Message - I'll check on Scott rolling credits... Sivakatirswami I can pretty much guarantee that until computer monitors have 2000+ pixels to the inch, it'll never happen. Dammit!!! Andy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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- Original Message - From: MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:29 AM Subject: RE: Typesetting functions Andy, Sorry, but this is possible in FreeHand 1.0 or illustrator 1.0 eons ago ;) But there's another good reason to have 3D in rev to zoom in further ;) cheers Xavier Xavier, You're speaking of point sizes of type. I was speaking of screen resolution. The monitors today are 72 to 100 dpi or maybe larger, but not thousands of pixels per inch. Andy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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OK, I threw in the towel completely, replaced tabs with a single space simple centered everything in the field: Correspondents Rajiv Malik, Delhi Choodamani Sivaram, Bangalore Prabha Prabhakar Bhardwaj, Delhi Madhu Kishwar, Delhi Mangala Prasad Mohanty, Orissa V. S. Gopalakrishnan, Kerala Archana Dongre, Los Angeles Lavina Melwani, New York Dr. Hari Bansh Jha, Nepal Paras Ramoutar, Trinidad V. G. Julie Rajan, Philadelphia Rajesh Jantilal, South Africa Iraja Sivadas, California Tara Katir, Hawaii etc. it works... On Dec 17, 2005, at 12:11 AM, yoy wrote: I can pretty much guarantee that until computer monitors have 2000+ pixels to the inch, it'll never happen. Dammit!!! Andy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Typesetting functions
As one who is spoiled by options for very precise control over type all these years (Quark and now InDesign) the challenges of making text look good in a Revolution field seem daunting. I was wondering if any one had rolled their own typesetting functions. I would rather not have to create multiple flds and then group these with some being centered and others align left... so I was thinking that one could, for example, center type but getting some measurement of the len(the selection) and then inserting something like (an algorithm that needs real code:) the total length of the line -(the length of type to be centered)/2 = (some number of spaces to insert in front of the text) I may be dreaming about cheddar on Mars, because I don't see from the docs any syntax that can provide areal correlation between len (fooString) and pixelwidth(fooString) that can be translated back into a tab width or number of spaces...as the pixel width of fooString will vary by the charWidths of the chars in the string and again, this has no correlation to the width of a space... and tabs are out anyway, since you cannot set tabs on a per line basis. (I hope this is on the feature list as a bare minimum upgrade to text handling in the next version of rev) etc. etc. round in circles. a typical thing one would like to be able to do, besides centering type on a line in a field... would be formatting like this: someTextLeftAligned [tab or string of spaces] SomeTextRightAligned I'm hoping some of you may have already been there done that and yes it can be done... here's how My actual context is rolling credits in a single field with centered headers for each section followed by Correspondents staff country Photographers: photographer country etc. now I can center all this and it looks fairly decent if you give up aspirations for any more control and think well the do it like that in the movies and if you don't care about things lining up its just fine... But this may not fly when it goes up for review... or I will have to say sorry, this is all we get in Rev. we have to live with it like this for now... TIA Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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- Original Message - From: Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: Typesetting functions As one who is spoiled by options for very precise control over type all these years (Quark and now InDesign) the challenges of making text look good in a Revolution field seem daunting. You think Quark and InDesign gave you precise control over high quality typography? You're way off the mark. I typeset on CCI back in 1982 which was the best in it's day. Granted it was balck type on white paper. When Adobe introduced PostScript, I took their clases and wrote a typesetting system that fell short in kerning and tracking, but excelled in features that have yet seen the light of day. So in my experience of over 23 years in the field and asking the Magic-8 Ball, The chances are unlikely. But anyway, have a look at my old typegauge, written entirely in postscript, then PDFd. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/foxcat/GAUGE_88.pdf Enjoy Andy Burns Media, PA ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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These are all things on my wish list as well. Some are 'trickable' and doable but with some effort. Tom On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote: As one who is spoiled by options for very precise control over type all these years (Quark and now InDesign) the challenges of making text look good in a Revolution field seem daunting. I was wondering if any one had rolled their own typesetting functions. I would rather not have to create multiple flds and then group these with some being centered and others align left... so I was thinking that one could, for example, center type but getting some measurement of the len(the selection) and then inserting something like (an algorithm that needs real code:) the total length of the line -(the length of type to be centered)/2 = (some number of spaces to insert in front of the text) I may be dreaming about cheddar on Mars, because I don't see from the docs any syntax that can provide areal correlation between len (fooString) and pixelwidth(fooString) that can be translated back into a tab width or number of spaces...as the pixel width of fooString will vary by the charWidths of the chars in the string and again, this has no correlation to the width of a space... and tabs are out anyway, since you cannot set tabs on a per line basis. (I hope this is on the feature list as a bare minimum upgrade to text handling in the next version of rev) etc. etc. round in circles. a typical thing one would like to be able to do, besides centering type on a line in a field... would be formatting like this: someTextLeftAligned [tab or string of spaces] SomeTextRightAligned I'm hoping some of you may have already been there done that and yes it can be done... here's how My actual context is rolling credits in a single field with centered headers for each section followed by Correspondents staff country Photographers: photographer country etc. now I can center all this and it looks fairly decent if you give up aspirations for any more control and think well the do it like that in the movies and if you don't care about things lining up its just fine... But this may not fly when it goes up for review... or I will have to say sorry, this is all we get in Rev. we have to live with it like this for now... TIA Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Semantic Compaction Systems SCIconics, LLC Lazy River Metal Arts Lazy River Software™ Meeting Wear™ - Unique Apparel Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: I was wondering if any one had rolled their own typesetting functions. Sorry, no (and obviously, you know it's difficult if not impossible do fine typographic settings in Rev, though if you're doing this for on screen use, I'm not sure how well fine typographic settings would come across). My actual context is rolling credits in a single field with centered headers for each section Did you say rolling credits? go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/film_reel.rev; (This will most likely not perform well on the 400 mHz Powerbooks mentioned previously on the list.) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sivakatirswami, Have you looked into whether formattedWidth, formattedHeight and other formatted* commands will help you achieve this? I don't think you'll be able to get kerning control or Quark-like results when printing, but these functions may be of use when trying to get screen elements to look right. Bill Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering if any one had rolled their own typesetting functions. I would rather not have to create multiple flds and then group these with some being centered and others align left... so I was thinking that one could, for example, center type but getting some measurement of the len(the selection) and then inserting something like (an algorithm that needs real code:) the total length of the line -(the length of type to be centered)/2 = (some number of spaces to insert in front of the text) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Scott, I found that if you set the reel delay to 0 on this stack, it will become quite difficult to change the delay again, or to quit or do anything else with Revolution until you kill the process with task manager :) Bill Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you say rolling credits? go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/film_reel.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Recently, Bill Marriott wrote: I found that if you set the reel delay to 0 on this stack, it will become quite difficult to change the delay again, or to quit or do anything else with Revolution until you kill the process with task manager Then don't don't set the reel delay to 0. :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Scott, Recently, Bill Marriott wrote: I found that if you set the reel delay to 0 on this stack, it will become quite difficult to change the delay again, or to quit or do anything else with Revolution until you kill the process with task manager Then don't don't set the reel delay to 0. :-) you are so wise, guy :-D Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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OK, what are your tricks? Once scripted, they shoudl be easily repeatable, n'est ce pas? On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Some are 'trickable' and doable but with some effort. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I tried getting the formattedWidth of a chunk expression for char 1 to char -1 of someFooLine.. but this gets you a pixel integer, how do you translate that into len(someSpacesStringToInsert) /2 example all in one field. Center This Title paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; paragraph aligned left; Maybe the formula is there, but I couldn't get my head around it, if it is..?? Sivakatirswami On Dec 16, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: Sivakatirswami, Have you looked into whether formattedWidth, formattedHeight and other formatted* commands will help you achieve this? I don't think you'll be able to get kerning control or Quark-like results when printing, but these functions may be of use when trying to get screen elements to look right. Bill Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering if any one had rolled their own typesetting functions. I would rather not have to create multiple flds and then group these with some being centered and others align left... so I was thinking that one could, for example, center type but getting some measurement of the len(the selection) and then inserting something like (an algorithm that needs real code:) the total length of the line -(the length of type to be centered)/2 = (some number of spaces to insert in front of the text) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Well, Andy I set type back in 1974, by hand (well, almost... smile), burned the plates and ran the KORD myself, folded the parents sheets, collated signatures, perfect bound and trimmed... Those were the days, ... (you can have them! I much rather outsource as we do today... ) I remember the first AFGA we got, yes, true we had more precise control then than we do now, though Abobe's optical is pretty amazing... True, the new layout programs still don't cut it (we set the kerning pairs by hand for every font we used in Quark...) by old world standards. But we are talking apples and oranges. You are in another zone... I looking for some simple functions for Rev fields, nothing more than simple alignment controls per para in a single field, basic justification tab controls per paragraph, We can leave the fine H J's out of this equation... I'll check on Scott rolling credits... Sivakatirswami On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:26 AM, yoy wrote: - Original Message - From: Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: Typesetting functions As one who is spoiled by options for very precise control over type all these years (Quark and now InDesign) the challenges of making text look good in a Revolution field seem daunting. You think Quark and InDesign gave you precise control over high quality typography? You're way off the mark. I typeset on CCI back in 1982 which was the best in it's day. Granted it was balck type on white paper. When Adobe introduced PostScript, I took their clases and wrote a typesetting system that fell short in kerning and tracking, but excelled in features that have yet seen the light of day. So in my experience of over 23 years in the field and asking the Magic-8 Ball, The chances are unlikely. But anyway, have a look at my old typegauge, written entirely in postscript, then PDFd. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/foxcat/GAUGE_88.pdf Enjoy Andy Burns Media, PA ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Oh my... LOL... what fun. Not sure that's where I want to go, but it sure brightened my evening. On Dec 16, 2005, at 7:14 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/film_reel.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
