Re: User Application Support folder on OS X?

2005-02-19 Thread Dave Cragg
On 20 Feb 2005, at 05:34, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Feb 19, 2005, at 3:36 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:
Could you first get the user's home folder, and then append what is 
returned from specialFolderPath("asup")?
It seems that this would work given the current location of the user 
application support folder but I still haven't come across any docs (I 
haven't looked that hard yet) that discuss whether this folder can be 
moved in network environments, if it changes based on the language, 
etc.  I did find the following though in the Apple docs:

"Your code should never assume the path to a resource within a 
file-system domain, as those paths could change in the future. Apple 
provides public interfaces for accessing standard file-system paths. 
You should always use these interfaces to locate system resources. See 
“Searching Within the File-System Domains” for more on searching for 
items within the domains."

I just went ahead and wrapped up FSFindFolder (I'm pretty sure this is 
what specialFolderPath uses on Mac) in an external for the time being 
and filed a feature request for an optional additional parameter to 
specialFolderPath that would allow you to specify the domain to search 
under (user,network,local,system).

Just as well. I checked on my wife's account which uses Japanese. 
Oddly, the "Library" folder at the System level is in Japanese, but at 
the user level it is in English.

Dave
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Re: User Application Support folder on OS X?

2005-02-19 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Feb 19, 2005, at 3:36 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:
Could you first get the user's home folder, and then append what is 
returned from specialFolderPath("asup")?
It seems that this would work given the current location of the user 
application support folder but I still haven't come across any docs (I 
haven't looked that hard yet) that discuss whether this folder can be 
moved in network environments, if it changes based on the language, 
etc.  I did find the following though in the Apple docs:

"Your code should never assume the path to a resource within a 
file-system domain, as those paths could change in the future. Apple 
provides public interfaces for accessing standard file-system paths. 
You should always use these interfaces to locate system resources. See 
“Searching Within the File-System Domains” for more on searching for 
items within the domains."

I just went ahead and wrapped up FSFindFolder (I'm pretty sure this is 
what specialFolderPath uses on Mac) in an external for the time being 
and filed a feature request for an optional additional parameter to 
specialFolderPath that would allow you to specify the domain to search 
under (user,network,local,system).

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Re: User Application Support folder on OS X?

2005-02-19 Thread Dave Cragg
On 18 Feb 2005, at 21:43, Trevor DeVore wrote:
In my program I have some "current user" specific stack files that get 
updated while using the app.  On Windows I stored these in the users 
application data folder.  On Mac I want to store them in the users 
Application Support folder (~/Library/Application Support).

The problem is that I can't get specialFolderPath to return this 
folder.  If you use specialFolderPath("asup") then you get the system 
Application Support folder (/Library/Application Support).  It seems 
that Revolution passes the system domain to FSFindFolder by default.

For the time being I've resorted to storing the stacks in the user 
pref folder but it pains me to do so.  So does anybody know if it is 
possible to get system folders using shell?  If not then I will have 
to write a little external to do this.
Could you first get the user's home folder, and then append what is 
returned from specialFolderPath("asup")?

Cheers
Dave
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Re: User Application Support folder on OS X?

2005-02-18 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Feb 18, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
I don't understand the problem, ~/Library/Application Support/ will 
always point to the current user app support folder, why can't you use 
it? That folder will always be present, and will always be on the same 
place... okay, specialFolderPath will not return this folder, but you 
will probably have different routines for both mac and win32 when it 
comes to finding where to store data, so you can make win32 report 
whatever place you want and hard code ~/Library/application support/ 
on the mac, can't you?

There probably is someway to return that folder using 'defaults' or 
'scutil' shell commands but since you know the folder in the first 
place, why bother finding some way to return it?
Is it the same for all languages running OS X?  I once hard coded a 
small portion of a path on Windows.  In Spanish one of the folders that 
I hardcoded was the name of the folder in Spanish.  Needless to say my 
path did not work on Spanish systems.  That made me sad.  I vowed never 
to hardcode a folder that the operating system provides an API to 
retrieve.

Now if OS X is different then windows in that the folder structure is 
always the same regardless of language then that might be different.  
But can a user move their application support folder?  Is it possible 
that the user support folder could be on a server in a networked 
environment?  I don't know the answers to these questions but I know it 
won't matter if I use the API call.

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Re: User Application Support folder on OS X?

2005-02-18 Thread Andre Garzia
On Feb 18, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
 On Mac I want to store them in the users Application Support folder 
(~/Library/Application Support).
Trevor,
I don't understand the problem, ~/Library/Application Support/ will 
always point to the current user app support folder, why can't you use 
it? That folder will always be present, and will always be on the same 
place... okay, specialFolderPath will not return this folder, but you 
will probably have different routines for both mac and win32 when it 
comes to finding where to store data, so you can make win32 report 
whatever place you want and hard code ~/Library/application support/ on 
the mac, can't you?

There probably is someway to return that folder using 'defaults' or 
'scutil' shell commands but since you know the folder in the first 
place, why bother finding some way to return it?

Cheers
andre

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User Application Support folder on OS X?

2005-02-18 Thread Trevor DeVore
In my program I have some "current user" specific stack files that get 
updated while using the app.  On Windows I stored these in the users 
application data folder.  On Mac I want to store them in the users 
Application Support folder (~/Library/Application Support).

The problem is that I can't get specialFolderPath to return this 
folder.  If you use specialFolderPath("asup") then you get the system 
Application Support folder (/Library/Application Support).  It seems 
that Revolution passes the system domain to FSFindFolder by default.

For the time being I've resorted to storing the stacks in the user pref 
folder but it pains me to do so.  So does anybody know if it is 
possible to get system folders using shell?  If not then I will have to 
write a little external to do this.

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Blue Mango Multimedia
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