Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Chipp Walters
A while back, my good friend Jerry Daniels started extolling the virtues 
of the Geometry Manager. Well, I had used it in version 1.1 rather 
unsuccessfully, and had since surmised "real men doon't use the Geometry 
Manager" and hand-coded all my resizeStack messages.

So, on Jerry's urging, I decided to spend some time expoloring RR's 
Geometry Manager. While it isn't perfect, it has come quite a long way! 
I mentioned how encouraged I was to Kevin at RR and he agreed, saying 
something about how great the technology is, and how difficult it is to 
explain. After thinking about it, I decided to create some 
(non-professional) videos which go step-by-step through the features.

These videos run on both Mac and PC.

I hope some of you find them valuable and begin to use GM in your own 
projects!

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

best,

Chipp

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread jcwall
Chipp

The tutorials were extremely helpful.  The second did not run all 
the way through for me.  The picture disappeared although your 
voice continued with the commentary.

This method of instruction, i.e. movies, is being used by Apple for 
their on-line seminars and they are very effective.  I would love to 
see you do a tutorial on how you produced your tutorials.  

Many thaks,

Jim Wall

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Pierre Sahores
Thanks, Chipp !

Le 8 mars 04, à 09:01, Chipp Walters a écrit :

A while back, my good friend Jerry Daniels started extolling the 
virtues of the Geometry Manager. Well, I had used it in version 1.1 
rather unsuccessfully, and had since surmised "real men doon't use the 
Geometry Manager" and hand-coded all my resizeStack messages.

So, on Jerry's urging, I decided to spend some time expoloring RR's 
Geometry Manager. While it isn't perfect, it has come quite a long 
way! I mentioned how encouraged I was to Kevin at RR and he agreed, 
saying something about how great the technology is, and how difficult 
it is to explain. After thinking about it, I decided to create some 
(non-professional) videos which go step-by-step through the features.

These videos run on both Mac and PC.

I hope some of you find them valuable and begin to use GM in your own 
projects!

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

best,

Chipp

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RE: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Kevin

Thanks for the tutorial! Well done!

Kevin



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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I could not get the codec to work either in QT or in Explorer.

Any ideas?

The asp just downloads to my desktop. I click it and get dreamweaver to 
open?

I went to the decoder web site and downloaded a package but still no 
results???

Tom

On Mar 8, 2004, at 3:01 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

A while back, my good friend Jerry Daniels started extolling the 
virtues of the Geometry Manager. Well, I had used it in version 1.1 
rather unsuccessfully, and had since surmised "real men doon't use the 
Geometry Manager" and hand-coded all my resizeStack messages.

So, on Jerry's urging, I decided to spend some time expoloring RR's 
Geometry Manager. While it isn't perfect, it has come quite a long 
way! I mentioned how encouraged I was to Kevin at RR and he agreed, 
saying something about how great the technology is, and how difficult 
it is to explain. After thinking about it, I decided to create some 
(non-professional) videos which go step-by-step through the features.

These videos run on both Mac and PC.

I hope some of you find them valuable and begin to use GM in your own 
projects!

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

best,

Chipp

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Marian Petrides
I'm having the same problem as Tom, except that when I click on the 
download EnSharpen decocder link, what gets downloaded to my desktop is 
something called transfer.asp --which appears to be an Apple System 
Profiler document.  Double-clicking on it just runs ASP.

I WAS able to hear the audio, so I know it sounds like these tutorials 
will be valuable to watch.  How do we get them to work?

Marian
On Mar 8, 2004, at 2:28 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
I could not get the codec to work either in QT or in Explorer.

Any ideas?

The asp just downloads to my desktop. I click it and get dreamweaver 
to open?

I went to the decoder web site and downloaded a package but still no 
results???

Tom

On Mar 8, 2004, at 3:01 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

A while back, my good friend Jerry Daniels started extolling the 
virtues of the Geometry Manager. Well, I had used it in version 1.1 
rather unsuccessfully, and had since surmised "real men doon't use 
the Geometry Manager" and hand-coded all my resizeStack messages.

So, on Jerry's urging, I decided to spend some time expoloring RR's 
Geometry Manager. While it isn't perfect, it has come quite a long 
way! I mentioned how encouraged I was to Kevin at RR and he agreed, 
saying something about how great the technology is, and how difficult 
it is to explain. After thinking about it, I decided to create some 
(non-professional) videos which go step-by-step through the features.

These videos run on both Mac and PC.

I hope some of you find them valuable and begin to use GM in your own 
projects!

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

best,

Chipp

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Wouter
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I'm having the same problem as Tom, except that when I click on the
download EnSharpen decocder link, what gets downloaded to my desktop is
something called transfer.asp --which appears to be an Apple System
Profiler document.  Double-clicking on it just runs ASP.
I WAS able to hear the audio, so I know it sounds like these tutorials
will be valuable to watch.  How do we get them to work?
Marian
On Mar 8, 2004, at 2:28 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
After installing the EnSharpen codec, I had to reinstall the other 
codecs again,
Divx an 3ivx. I 'am not sure if the installer removed these as I didn't 
check
before installing. Anyhow after reinstalling these everything
was ok. I didn't have time yet to watch all the movies but what I saw 
was
really nice.

Greetings,
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Chipp Walters
Wouter wrote:


After installing the EnSharpen codec, I had to reinstall the other 
codecs again,
Divx an 3ivx. I 'am not sure if the installer removed these as I didn't 
check
before installing. 
Hmm, I installed both on XP (two different machines) and OSX Panther 
(i-book) without consequence. In all cases, I already had DivX codecs 
already installed.


Anyhow after reinstalling these everything
was ok. I didn't have time yet to watch all the movies but what I saw was
really nice.
Thanks!

-Chipp
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Chipp Walters
OOPS,

My mistake, I inadvertantly only posted the EnSharpen Codec for 
Quicktime on the PC. The TechSmith Codec (which is also the EnSharpen 
Codec) for Windows Media player is at:

http://www.getafile.com/cgi-bin/merlot/get/techsmith/TSCC.exe

You don't need to unistall the other codec as it works with Quicktime only.

Sorry All!

best,
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Wilhelm Sanke
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 Marian Petrides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm having the same problem as Tom, except that when I click on the
download EnSharpen decocder link, what gets downloaded to my desktop is
something called transfer.asp --which appears to be an Apple System
Profiler document.  Double-clicking on it just runs ASP.
I WAS able to hear the audio, so I know it sounds like these tutorials
will be valuable to watch.  How do we get them to work?


I got no problems here on a Windows XP computer. I could download 
"ensharpendecoder_winsws.exe"
and the videos display fine.

What I am wondering about is that without the Ensharpen decoder the 
AVI-files
indeed only can be heard with the player. What kind of AVI-files are they?

Until now I had no experience with AVI on an XP computer, on my older 
computers
- Windows 95 and Windows 98 - I did not need a special decoder for 
AVI-files.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Mar 8, 2004, at 2:47 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
I got no problems here on a Windows XP computer. I could download 
"ensharpendecoder_winsws.exe"
and the videos display fine.

What I am wondering about is that without the Ensharpen decoder the 
AVI-files
indeed only can be heard with the player. What kind of AVI-files are 
they?

Until now I had no experience with AVI on an XP computer, on my older 
computers
- Windows 95 and Windows 98 - I did not need a special decoder for 
AVI-files.
AVI files made with Camtasia Studio use the TSCC codec from TechSmith 
Corporation which is used for compressing screen recording.  You have 
to have their codec to decode it.  Ensharpen is the TechSmith codec for 
decoding the TSCC codec from within QuickTime.

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Chipp-

Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:01:49 AM, you wrote:

CW> I hope some of you find them valuable and begin to use GM in your own
CW> projects!

CW> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Marian Petrides
 I had already downloaded and installed the decoder from this site to 
no avail.

However, your email got me thinking that maybe I needed to logout and 
log back into OS X.  When I did that, things worked fine.  Thanks, 
Chipp. I learned a LOT from the first video alone.

To Dan Shafer:   Suggestions for part 2 and or 3 of the book:  detailed 
information (with photos) on use of debugging tools, esp. TRACE and 
similar info on geometry manager.  I know Ch 22 (per text in book 1) 
will have info on debugging  but I don't know what that will consist 
of).

Marian

On Mar 8, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Marian,

Check out:

http://www.techsmith.com/download/ensharpendefault.asp

Let me know if it helps. --Chipp

Marian Petrides wrote:

I'm having the same problem as Tom, except that when I click on the 
download EnSharpen decocder link, what gets downloaded to my desktop 
is something called transfer.asp --which appears to be an Apple 
System Profiler document.  Double-clicking on it just runs ASP.
I WAS able to hear the audio, so I know it sounds like these 
tutorials will be valuable to watch.  How do we get them to work?
Marian
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Thomas McGrath III
me too

mac osx panther

tom

On Mar 8, 2004, at 6:38 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

 I had already downloaded and installed the decoder from this site to 
no avail.

However, your email got me thinking that maybe I needed to logout and 
log back into OS X.  When I did that, things worked fine.  Thanks, 
Chipp. I learned a LOT from the first video alone.

To Dan Shafer:   Suggestions for part 2 and or 3 of the book:  
detailed information (with photos) on use of debugging tools, esp. 
TRACE and similar info on geometry manager.  I know Ch 22 (per text in 
book 1) will have info on debugging  but I don't know what that will 
consist of).

Marian

On Mar 8, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Marian,

Check out:

http://www.techsmith.com/download/ensharpendefault.asp

Let me know if it helps. --Chipp

Marian Petrides wrote:

I'm having the same problem as Tom, except that when I click on the 
download EnSharpen decocder link, what gets downloaded to my desktop 
is something called transfer.asp --which appears to be an Apple 
System Profiler document.  Double-clicking on it just runs ASP.
I WAS able to hear the audio, so I know it sounds like these 
tutorials will be valuable to watch.  How do we get them to work?
Marian
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Now you see!!! I thought that the scale and the position part of the 
geometry manager were an either or choice and not that you can use both 
at the same time. DUH

Also, I thought that I needed to set the scale for each side of the 
object to scale not just the bottom and right. When I played with it I 
did some major over kill. And then just walked away from it thinking it 
was not working right.

Thanks for the info and the video.

Tom

On Mar 8, 2004, at 7:23 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

me too

mac osx panther

tom

On Mar 8, 2004, at 6:38 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

 I had already downloaded and installed the decoder from this site to 
no avail.

However, your email got me thinking that maybe I needed to logout and 
log back into OS X.  When I did that, things worked fine.  Thanks, 
Chipp. I learned a LOT from the first video alone.

To Dan Shafer:   Suggestions for part 2 and or 3 of the book:  
detailed information (with photos) on use of debugging tools, esp. 
TRACE and similar info on geometry manager.  I know Ch 22 (per text 
in book 1) will have info on debugging  but I don't know what that 
will consist of).

Marian

On Mar 8, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Marian,

Check out:

http://www.techsmith.com/download/ensharpendefault.asp

Let me know if it helps. --Chipp

Marian Petrides wrote:

I'm having the same problem as Tom, except that when I click on the 
download EnSharpen decocder link, what gets downloaded to my 
desktop is something called transfer.asp --which appears to be an 
Apple System Profiler document.  Double-clicking on it just runs 
ASP.
I WAS able to hear the audio, so I know it sounds like these 
tutorials will be valuable to watch.  How do we get them to work?
Marian
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Log out - no good here
but
restart worked.
That codec needed a restart.

Wow, I haven't had to do that in awhile. I think this is the first time 
I've had to restart my mac in four months.

Tom

On Mar 8, 2004, at 7:23 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

me too

mac osx panther

tom

On Mar 8, 2004, at 6:38 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

 I had already downloaded and installed the decoder from this site to 
no avail.

However, your email got me thinking that maybe I needed to logout and 
log back into OS X.  When I did that, things worked fine.  Thanks, 
Chipp. I learned a LOT from the first video alone.

To Dan Shafer:   Suggestions for part 2 and or 3 of the book:  
detailed information (with photos) on use of debugging tools, esp. 
TRACE and similar info on geometry manager.  I know Ch 22 (per text 
in book 1) will have info on debugging  but I don't know what that 
will consist of).

Marian

On Mar 8, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Marian,

Check out:

http://www.techsmith.com/download/ensharpendefault.asp

Let me know if it helps. --Chipp

Marian Petrides wrote:

I'm having the same problem as Tom, except that when I click on the 
download EnSharpen decocder link, what gets downloaded to my 
desktop is something called transfer.asp --which appears to be an 
Apple System Profiler document.  Double-clicking on it just runs 
ASP.
I WAS able to hear the audio, so I know it sounds like these 
tutorials will be valuable to watch.  How do we get them to work?
Marian
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Thomas McGrath III
OK, Chipp,

I want to thank you personally for this. I now understand where I went 
wrong in my understanding of the GM.
There is still more to understand with the GM though and I will 
bookmark your site especially if more of these are forthcoming.

Thanks again,

Tom



On Mar 8, 2004, at 3:01 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

A while back, my good friend Jerry Daniels started extolling the 
virtues of the Geometry Manager. Well, I had used it in version 1.1 
rather unsuccessfully, and had since surmised "real men doon't use the 
Geometry Manager" and hand-coded all my resizeStack messages.

So, on Jerry's urging, I decided to spend some time expoloring RR's 
Geometry Manager. While it isn't perfect, it has come quite a long 
way! I mentioned how encouraged I was to Kevin at RR and he agreed, 
saying something about how great the technology is, and how difficult 
it is to explain. After thinking about it, I decided to create some 
(non-professional) videos which go step-by-step through the features.

These videos run on both Mac and PC.

I hope some of you find them valuable and begin to use GM in your own 
projects!

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

best,

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RE: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Chipp Walters
Thomas,

> Now you see!!! I thought that the scale and the position part of the
> geometry manager were an either or choice and not that you can use both
> at the same time. DUH

Mee Too, it was only after talking with Kevin that I figured out you can set
these independantly.

>
> Also, I thought that I needed to set the scale for each side of the
> object to scale not just the bottom and right. When I played with it I
> did some major over kill. And then just walked away from it thinking it
> was not working right.

Yep, once I figured it out, I thought it a good idea to share with the
others. Glad this helped.

BTW, on my Mac it told me I needed to restart for the codec to work. Did you
not see the same message? Hmmm...wonder why?

-Chipp


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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread Christopher Mitchell
No message here but I'll reboot once I can close the other things I'm 
working on.  This is exactly the kind of things the Rev community needs 
to keep producing to attract people.  Forget changing to .syntax, just 
"showing people" how things work, literally, would speak louder than 
talking about the ease of Transcript.

How about a "Making a simple app in Revolution - Transcript 101" demo?  
One would think RunRev would love to use something like that as a 
promo.  A really tricked out version could have your narration over 
sliced and spliced video showing the steps being performed on each 
platform.  (As in only once, where you're suddenly talking about 
something and it shows a mac, you keep talking and the next click opens 
up the video clip on linux, XP, Classic, etc)...

Yours,
Chris
On Mar 8, 2004, at 8:38 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
BTW, on my Mac it told me I needed to restart for the codec to work. 
Did you
not see the same message? Hmmm...wonder why?

-Chipp

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-08 Thread jcwall
Chris - this is a great idea.  I was an early adopter of Oracle Media 
Objects (you had to be early otherwise you missed out completely 
because the application was pulled fro the market!).  One of the 
things that they did was to produce two videos (VHS) which showed 
how one could use the application to build build stacks.  It was 
very well done and gave me a lot of useful information about how 
to script.  When Revolution was being developed I talked to Kevin 
Miller about doing something similar.  However, the way that Chipp 
developed the tutorials to run on the computer would be a huge 
step forward in delivering video-based instruction.

BTW, the software that Chipp used is only available for developing 
on  windows machines (although playback is cross platform).  I am 
fairly sure there is an application that can do the same thing on the 
Mac and would appreciate it if anyone on the list could confirm this 
and supply product details.

Jim Wall

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-09 Thread j
Snapz Pro X from Ambrosia ($69) does this kind of thing for OS X:

   http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
Snapz Pro came pre-installed with a free license when I purchased my 
laptop 1.5 years ago.  Some list members may have the software and not 
even know it.

J.

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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-09 Thread Geoff Canyon
Even if Snapz Pro came pre-installed, I'd highly recommend upgrading to 
Snapz Pro X 2.0. The performance when grabbing movies is literally an 
order of magnitude improved. Snapz was unusable on my PowerBook G3 400, 
but 2.0 captures at 15FPS no sweat.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
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On Mar 9, 2004, at 4:26 AM, j wrote:

Snapz Pro X from Ambrosia ($69) does this kind of thing for OS X:

   http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
Snapz Pro came pre-installed with a free license when I purchased my 
laptop 1.5 years ago.  Some list members may have the software and not 
even know it.
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-11 Thread Sarah Reichelt
 After thinking about it, I decided to create some (non-professional) 
videos which go step-by-step through the features.

For those of you looking to make tutorial videos with OS X, I just 
noticed this product:
http://www.macxware.com/candypress/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=25

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager

2004-03-12 Thread Marty Billingsley
> From: Sarah Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >  After thinking about it, I decided to create some (non-professional)
> > videos which go step-by-step through the features.
> >
> For those of you looking to make tutorial videos with OS X, I just
> noticed this product:
> http://www.macxware.com/candypress/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=25

If you're interested in looking at some really well-made tutorial videos,
check out atomiclearning.com.  It's subscription-based, but some tutorials
are free.  I use these as my model when I make tutorials for use here at
school.

 - marty

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Marty Billingsley ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools

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