Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Pierre Sahores]

Hello Eric,

It will not be very difficult to find what about to speak, tomorrow ;-)

See you at 12:30...

Kind Regards, Pierre


Hi Vjstbenz,

Le 26 mai 05 à 18:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

not a single letter of computer code is ever seen...for making 
windows computer software

these 'all visual rad tools' are extremely rare...but superb...


I am afraid that many people on this list like coding :-)
That gives them freedom to exactly (try to) release what they have in 
mind.

And not only what graphical RAD just allow to.
Programming is much more than a linking process: it's a full creative 
action that involves you as a whole.

Would you try it?
Nothing could be more welcome: you are just in the right place :-)

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
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Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Plugins, tutorials and more on our website

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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Vjstbenz,

Le 26 mai 05 à 18:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

not a single letter of computer code is ever seen...for making  
windows computer software

these 'all visual rad tools' are extremely rare...but superb...


I am afraid that many people on this list like coding :-)
That gives them freedom to exactly (try to) release what they have in  
mind.

And not only what graphical RAD just allow to.
Programming is much more than a linking process: it's a full creative  
action that involves you as a whole.

Would you try it?
Nothing could be more welcome: you are just in the right place :-)

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Plugins, tutorials and more on our website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86


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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Vjstbenz]

Hi James...

yesthat is good advice...it is about the level of programming that you want 
to achieve isn't it...Synopsis allows the level of programming that i 
require...some graphics skillsyou know...nothing complex at all...but 
Synopsis can easily do a moving second hand...of a clock etc...vector sprite 
pixel bitmap graphics...

my prorgamming ideasare not complicated at all...they are simple ideas you 
know...that require a simple tool...like synopsis to get resultsi realise 
that Rev is a ridiculously powerfull toolhundreds of times more powerfull 
than synopsisbut if it is not required...then, as you point out...why 
bother?

bieng able to get to the 10 thousands windows api fucntions and use them in 
synopsisis enough for me...for programming by fari understand how to 
use dll functions...so...

James, i recently found another Visual Only tool..that is about 5 times mroe 
powerfull than Synopsis..and Freethis software is superb...

www.Limnor.com

not a single letter of computer code is ever seen...for making windows computer 
software

these 'all visual rad tools' are extremely rare...but superb...

when you combine the DLL facilities these tools offer...you start  to see that 
complex windows software can be developed with them...

thx

Ben




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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[James Richards]

Hi Ben,

If Windows is all you want to program for and Synopsis is your 
preferred tool then Revolution may not be the tool for you.  It is a 
very powerful and flexible cross-platform RAD tool and I believe that 
if you are able to stick with it through the frustration belt (which is 
not uncommon among new users) you will find it amply rewards your 
persistence (even for Windows only programming).  This list is 
incredibly friendly and helpful, and there is also loads of pre-made 
stuff to be found on RunRev's website and elsewhere which people are 
willing to share freely.


It can also be very helpful to search the archives of this list here 
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com (which is 
shown at the head of the digest version of the list but I don't know if 
it appears on messages for those who receive them individually).


Searching for 'clock' produced helpful threads in the archive and even 
a couple of complete code examples and downloadable utilities. 
(Although a little persistence may be needed where a location on a 
website has occurred since the information was posted.)


Regards

James
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jamesjrichards[at]lineone.net

Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063

On 26 May, 2005, at 16:28:43 -0400,  Vjstbenz wrote:


Hello,

thanks for your advice..

yes...i already know how to use dll files ...



some-body pointed out the Windows Unix Mac thing...but it aint an 
issue for mejust need Windowsyou know...


Synopsis is actually very powerfull really




like you say...i may be getting frystrated with...Rev...

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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[J. Landman Gay]

On 5/25/05 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


maybe you can give me a QUIK...example...and explain...

HANDLERSSTACKS ...CARDS...SUB STACKS...HANDLE...etc


Funny you should mention that. We are in the process of explaining all 
that stuff in a live event every two weeks online at our Revolution 
Scripting Conferences. You should come this Saturday, where we will 
learn about all of Revolution's controls and objects. You can also 
download the stacks from previous conferences that explain a lot of what 
you are asking about. We covered most of that in the first two sessions.


Go here:



And show up Saturday. We will know you by YOUR CAPS. :)

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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Vjstbenz]

hello,

thanks for that...will try that script

i appreciate your advice about these lists.

i realise the potential of rev is hugeit's just the learning and reading 
that gets me down...i am not too clever see...

this is why www.codemorphis.com is excellent software for me...with zero 
code

thanks anyway

Ben
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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=]

On May 25 2005, at 22:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello,
...
can you help GENERALLY?


Hi Ben

For general help on programming there is no other way then to learn and 
read a lot!

Read the getting started pages, and the topic head entries.

As for the list, ask a direct question,  like this:
What's the simplest way of making a clock with a hand in runrev?
How to move graphics from one point to another?
How to use a videoplayer?
etc.
And you certainly will receive at least one good example for your query.

Moving graphics can be very simple, put this into a button script:

on mouseUp
  move graphic 1 to 100,100
end mouseUp

don't forget to put a graphic onto your stack too!

Also please stop using capitalised words, its hard to read and annoys 
me :)


greetings from Revland
Bjoernke

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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Vjstbenz]

Hello,

thanks for your advice..

yes...i already KNOW how to use DLL files in SYNOPSIS...it is VERY SIMPLE to 
call functions...pass parameteresetc..also it has a SHELVING system for 
DLL's in memory...so you can have 10 CALLED in one program AT THE SAME 
TIME.this adds to the POWER GREATLY...
the cpu does not ahve to RE-LOAD dll's into memory all the time...

some-body pointed out the WINDOWS UNIX MAC thing...but it aint an issue for 
mejust need WINDOWSyou know...

SYNOPSIS is actually VERY POWERFULL reallybeacuse of waht it achieves..you 
say VIDEO PLAYERS etc..is reading MANUAL STUFF and language..learningbut i 
can tell you...IT IS NOTwith SYNPOSIS...

it has a VIDEO TOOL...and a child can make a clock face with moving graphic 
HANDS...in  no time...with ZERO learning curve...

the DOCUMENTATION with SYNOPSIS...is SECOND TO NON..the BEST i have ever seen 
on any SOFTWARE product ...in 9 YEARS of bieng around computing so...

you can literally LEARN fresh...every time...by reading a few sentences of the 
manual...and you are BACK up and RUNNINGyou don't need to FILL your 
brain...with a LANGUAGE and SYNTAX...

i rate it as a good software tool...for what it achievesbecause OO 
programming is an ATTEMPT at this visual style...but the ABSTACTION with 
SYNOPSIS is right to the TOP LEVELyou know(TOTALLY VISUAL)

when you think about EVERY SINGLE THING in an OO related thinking style...and 
LOGICAL data flow...and CONTROL flow on a SINGLE LINE...you see the power of 
synopsis...

it is a RAD tool...and this s TRUE...it is VERY RAPID to make WINDOWS 
sofwarebut for me...SYNPOSIS is more about HOW it allows you to program 
visually...

it's not HOW DO I MAKE THIS PROGRAM...now...it's WHAT KIND OF SOFTWARE DO I 
FANCY MAKING...with SYNOPSIS

like you say...i may be getting frystrated with...REV...and YES...that is a BAD 
signofcourse things take SOME EFFORT...
but once a certain THRESHOLD is passed...it's hard to go BEYOND...

REV seams like an EXTRENELY POWERFULL VAST programming TOOL...and YES you can 
make software somewhat more simply than VISUAL BASIC

but it's all still CODE...you know...i looked at the VIDEOS about STACKS 
VARIABLES...and OBJECTSetc...and COMMANDS...

but was NON THE WISER, about TRANSCRIPT and how to program it...i did not 
learn what HANDLERS WERE...or ways of using MULTIPLE stacks in a design...or 
ANYTHING at all about GRAPHICS programming

in other words...not much

it needs a PROPER video TUTORIAL...that explains an ENTIRE program...something 
of SUBSTANCE...with several STACKS...and some GRAPHICS PROGRAMMING...(moving 
graphics on screen)...etc...

this video needs to explain all the parts and principles of the Transcript 
language...that ALLOW this program to work...HANDLERS...COMMANDS...how code 
lies behind each OBJECT...etcPROPERTIES...even include a function too

REV does not have this...

EVERY SINGLE usually has some kind of MOVING GRAHICS...clcoks etcCOMPUTER 
PORGRAMMING is almost a waste of time...without doing this...

yet REV does not have any examples of this...just FIELDS and variables and 
buttons...h

i'll continue...with HELP off these lists..

thanks

Ben


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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Vjstbenz]

good question...

i dislike LEARNING code languages or syntax...

SYNOPSIS is 300 dollars...so.

alsountil i get VISUAL BASIC to be able to make NATIVE c style DLL 
filesi'm a bit limited

RELSOFT polug in for VBallows VB to make NATIVE dll files...$29


also VB wrapper...allows you to put entire PROJECTS into one exe FILEeven 
RUNTIME DLL file callsmaking a WHOLE vb APPLICATION able to go into ONE 
standalone file

once i get these things above totally working...

me will continue with SYNOPSIS...

REV interested me at firstand it is CROSS PLATFORM...which is usefull

but well100 lines of code to get a SIMPLE CLOCK FACE with a MOVING GRAPHIC 
of the seconds handseams TOO COMPLEX to me...

if REV is suppossed to make things easyit must have it's own DEFINITION of 
easy coding...

THe same CLOCK project can be done in SYNPOSIS with ZERO CODE ever seen...in an 
hour or two...you know...(there is NO language to LEARN...not a single LETTER)

repeated myself

anyhow...thanks

Ben


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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Vjstbenz]

Hello,

Very true...about the LISTS...SYNOPSIS does not have LISTS to help you...:---)

you know...YOU sound VERY MUCH like you know what you are talking about

maybe you can give me a QUIK...example...and explain...

HANDLERSSTACKS ...CARDS...SUB STACKS...HANDLE...etc

i understand OPENSTACK is a rev DECLARATION or COMMAND

but WHY do you need these...if CODE goes behind each OBJECT...or button( a 
video player only has ONE window NO?...with a OPEN FILE/PLAY...and STOP button?)

is it to JUMP to a nwe STACK/CARD when a button is clicked?

..REV info says that NO OTHER OBJECTS can APPEAR on the video CARD

you see...it starts to get a bit confusing...i have READ the INTRO to rev 
CAREFULLYbut still do NOT understand HANDLERS..etc...


or how to WRITE Transcript really

is REV an OO language or what?

can you help GENERALLY?

cheers

Ben
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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Thomas McGrath III]

Synopsis is a windows application with no Mac or Unix components but 
you may not need them. Maybe you could look at Max 4.5 from Cycling 74 
which also has a graphical aspect to it but is at least available on 
Mac and Windows. Also it is used to control Teleo objects to control 
the outside world via computer commands. It is very good.


Once you reach the limits that either of those programs has you can 
come back to use Revolution for it's full potential. After all if all 
you want to do is build a clock face then why learn any code but if you 
want to use that clock in a program where you have full control over 
how it works instead of just how the program designers think it should 
then you can use Revolution.


But to be honest reading the manual and learning code are not the same 
thing and to include the videoplayer component is a read the manual 
thing that would happen just the same in Synopsis as well as in Max 
4.5. It is not a code issue. In Synopsis in order to use the Windows 
DLLs you will still need to understand the RULES in how to use them and 
when and where.


I'd say you were just getting frustrated with Rev and you should hang 
in there it is not as difficult as it seems. Ask questions here on the 
list. Download sample stacks. See how others have done it. You may just 
find what you need and find you end up loving it.


2 cents

HTH

Tom

On May 25, 2005, at 11:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hi,

i am TOTALLY new to REVOLUTION...i was trying a similar project...

to make a PROGRAM that plays MPEG video files...

as far as i could see...the VIDEOPLAYER control...can ONLY play 
quiktime


what is revVIDEOPLAYER???

is it a library of FUNCTION COMPONENTS?

i am finding REVOLUTION is a great piece of SOFTWARE...but you need to 
spedn TIME...learning the TRANSCRIPT LANGUAGE...


i do NOT like learning LANGUAGES...or the SYNTAX and RULES regarding 
languages...it is TEDIOUS...


although REVOLUTION has TONNES of POWER under it's hood...you still 
have to LEARN transcriptyou know...


if you look at even a simple PROGRAMlike a CLOCK FACE...you find 
it has nearly 100 lines of CODE...just to make a GRAPHICAL clock TICK 
around the SECONDS


this is TOO MUCH CODE..for such a simple REQUIREMENT...in my opinion...

www.codemorphis.com

this SYNPOSIS software has ZERO code...you never see a single LETTER 
of code...it is just WIRING diagrams.it does VIDEO and things like 
this...GRAPHICS TOO...


you could make a CLOCK FACE in an hour...with SYNPOSIS...with ZERO 
CODE ever seen...


also you can use the windows API library...which holds TEN THOUSAND 
fucntions for windows programming..in DLL files...


i am going to try HARDER with REVOLUTION...but again...it looks like 
CODE CODE CODEto get results...


this is NOT a VISUAL RAD TOOL.whereas SYNOPSIS is totally 
VISUAL...with ZERO CODE...(there is NO language to learn)


cheers

Ben


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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Scott Rossi]

Hi Vjstbenz:

> i am TOTALLY new to REVOLUTION...i was trying a similar project...
> 
> to make a PROGRAM that plays MPEG video files...
> 
> as far as i could see...the VIDEOPLAYER control...can ONLY play quiktime
> 
> what is revVIDEOPLAYER???

The player object uses whatever multimedia resources are available on the
user's machine, but it is most optimized for QuickTime, and any format that
QT understands.  It is possible to disable the player's reliance on QT, but
playback control will be limited.


> www.codemorphis.com
> 
> this SYNPOSIS software has ZERO code...you never see a single LETTER of
> code...it is just WIRING diagrams.it does VIDEO and things like
> this...GRAPHICS TOO...
> 
> you could make a CLOCK FACE in an hour...with SYNPOSIS...with ZERO CODE ever
> seen...
> 
> also you can use the windows API library...which holds TEN THOUSAND fucntions
> for windows programming..in DLL files...
> 
> i am going to try HARDER with REVOLUTION...but again...it looks like CODE CODE
> CODEto get results...
> 
> this is NOT a VISUAL RAD TOOL.whereas SYNOPSIS is totally VISUAL...with
> ZERO CODE...(there is NO language to learn)

If Synopsis does what you need, why do you want to learn Revolution?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Klaus Major]

Hi Ben,

let me first say that there is absolutely no need to SCREAM :-)


hi,

i am TOTALLY new to REVOLUTION...i was trying a similar project...


welcome to the list.


to make a PROGRAM that plays MPEG video files...
as far as i could see...the VIDEOPLAYER control...can ONLY play  
quiktime


Not necessarily!

If you:

set the dontuseqt to true

in your "preopenstack" or "openstack" handler, Rev will use Video for  
Windows

instead of Quicktime.


what is revVIDEOPLAYER???
is it a library of FUNCTION COMPONENTS?


there is no thing like revVIDEOPLAYER, you mean revVIDEOGRABBER as  
mentined
in earlier posts, which is a DLL (on windows) that lets you capture  
video from within Rev.


i am finding REVOLUTION is a great piece of SOFTWARE...but you need  
to spedn TIME...learning the TRANSCRIPT LANGUAGE...


Yep...

But Transcript is almost like the english language, no complicated  
syntax.


i do NOT like learning LANGUAGES...or the SYNTAX and RULES  
regarding languages...it is TEDIOUS...


well... ;-)

although REVOLUTION has TONNES of POWER under it's hood...you still  
have to LEARN transcriptyou know...


That's true!

if you look at even a simple PROGRAMlike a CLOCK FACE...you  
find it has nearly 100 lines of CODE...just to make a GRAPHICAL  
clock TICK around the SECONDS
this is TOO MUCH CODE..for such a simple REQUIREMENT...in my  
opinion...


www.codemorphis.com

this SYNPOSIS software has ZERO code...you never see a single  
LETTER of code...it is just WIRING diagrams.it does VIDEO and  
things like this...GRAPHICS TOO...
you could make a CLOCK FACE in an hour...with SYNPOSIS...with ZERO  
CODE ever seen...
also you can use the windows API library...which holds TEN THOUSAND  
fucntions for windows programming..in DLL files...


Yes, but that is Windows ONLY!

And Rev will run on the mac, Windows and Linux/Unix, that's why most  
user choose Rev :-)


If you only need to "serve" one platform, OK, there are surely more  
apps that can do so...


i am going to try HARDER with REVOLUTION...but again...it looks  
like CODE CODE CODEto get results...


Yes, sure, but don't be shy, try it, learn it and you will be very  
happy with the results!



this is NOT a VISUAL RAD TOOL


Noone says so ;-)

whereas SYNOPSIS is totally VISUAL...with ZERO CODE...(there is NO  
language to learn)


Sure, but does it have a wonderful and helpful list like this? ;-)


cheers

Ben


Regards

Klaus Major
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http://www.major-k.de

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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Vjstbenz]

hi,

i am TOTALLY new to REVOLUTION...i was trying a similar project...

to make a PROGRAM that plays MPEG video files...

as far as i could see...the VIDEOPLAYER control...can ONLY play quiktime

what is revVIDEOPLAYER???

is it a library of FUNCTION COMPONENTS?

i am finding REVOLUTION is a great piece of SOFTWARE...but you need to spedn 
TIME...learning the TRANSCRIPT LANGUAGE...

i do NOT like learning LANGUAGES...or the SYNTAX and RULES regarding 
languages...it is TEDIOUS...

although REVOLUTION has TONNES of POWER under it's hood...you still have to 
LEARN transcriptyou know...

if you look at even a simple PROGRAMlike a CLOCK FACE...you find it has 
nearly 100 lines of CODE...just to make a GRAPHICAL clock TICK around the 
SECONDS

this is TOO MUCH CODE..for such a simple REQUIREMENT...in my opinion...

www.codemorphis.com

this SYNPOSIS software has ZERO code...you never see a single LETTER of 
code...it is just WIRING diagrams.it does VIDEO and things like 
this...GRAPHICS TOO...

you could make a CLOCK FACE in an hour...with SYNPOSIS...with ZERO CODE ever 
seen...

also you can use the windows API library...which holds TEN THOUSAND fucntions 
for windows programming..in DLL files...

i am going to try HARDER with REVOLUTION...but again...it looks like CODE CODE 
CODEto get results...

this is NOT a VISUAL RAD TOOL.whereas SYNOPSIS is totally VISUAL...with 
ZERO CODE...(there is NO language to learn)

cheers

Ben


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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Thierry Arbellot]

If is does, what component should I install to avoid the "cannot load 
video component" error on revInitializeVideoGrabber?




did you install Capture QuickTime component (run QuickTime updater)

Thierry


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Re: VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[Thierry Arbellot]

Hi Frédéric,

Actually, VideoGrabber does work with QT on Windows.
Unfortunately, there are very few capture cards delivered with QT 
driver on Windows.
You can try a software like winVDIG that allows to drive any video 
grabber with QT on Windows

http://www.vdig.com/WinVDIG/index.html
I haven't tested the last release.

Best regards
Thierry

On 2005, May 25, , at 15:17, Frédéric RINALDI wrote:

Does VideoGrabber work with QuickTime on Windows XP, or only with 
Video For Windows?


If is does, what component should I install to avoid the "cannot load 
video component" error on revInitializeVideoGrabber?


Thanks
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VideoGrabber on Windows XP

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_RINALDI?=]

Does VideoGrabber work with QuickTime on Windows XP, or only with  
Video For Windows?


If is does, what component should I install to avoid the "cannot load  
video component" error on revInitializeVideoGrabber?


Thanks
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