Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article7148846.ece 'Maclean is now working with software developers to circumvent Apple’s restrictions via a web app that he hopes “will offer everything an Apple app can, but you can access it with a browser like any internet page. On the other hand, maybe Apple will start being reasonable”.' Or maybe they will take it to the logical conclusion, and do web site censorship? Maybe this is impossible? Maybe they will do it anyway? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2253298.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
I guess I'm missing something here . It seems that if I write a Rodeo app and it uses HTML5 local storage, then there is a secuity issue because other Rodeo apps on the same server might be able to access the user's data when stored locally on his machine. But today I generally write desktop apps. The user's data is stored on (usually) his local disk. And any other desktop app he chooses to install can access that data. What's so different ? -- Alex. On 08/06/2010 18:10, Mike Bonner wrote: Actually, I believe the following (from the provided link) is what is being referred to: 7.2 Cross-directory attacks Different authors sharing one host name, for example users hosting content on geocities.com, all share one local storage object. There is no feature to restrict the access by pathname. Authors on shared hosts are therefore recommended to avoid using these features, as it would be trivial for other authors to read the data and overwrite it. Even if a path-restriction feature was made available, the usual DOM scripting security model would make it trivial to bypass this protection and access the data from any path. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Jerry Danielsjerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Not so. No. Each developer has own space. If developer INVITES someone in...as a teammate, then they share. Vampire rules. Need an invite to join another developer. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Robert Mann wrote: For Rodéo apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared server, than all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo apps, So far I understood. Not reassuring! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Yep, since Jerry's initial answer hadn't exactly covered what was being, I just posted the relevant section for him. So I guess I was pointing out the point of your pointing. . *grin* On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote: Yes indeed, Mike, i understand jerry's answer as far as server side accounts are concerned. I was just pointing out that in the context of html5 local storage, if and when a web app uses that storage, then there are issues of security. I'm working on an eDemocracy site app. i'll try hard to make it as secure as possible in order not to allow anybody to gather information about what somebody else think. What troubles me is at the same time to see a big move towards mobile advertisement AND the launching of HTML5 local storage which unlike cookies (which have caused trouble in the minds!) can have persistent datas, and much more datas. So I beleive it could be a good thing to be very clear on this data policy with users, for a change! Actually I do have a question on this HTML5 specifs : how can the user monitor datas? Has he got the right to go and inspect? or is it context dependant, e.i only a javascript program imbedded in a page of the said domain could get to the datas? If anybody has a clue, thanks! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2247953.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
I get the point about to be here or not to be here, Jerry. I'll go sign in and get enrolled in the rodeo trip. See you there! Nevertheless, discussing the know how and limitations of HTML5 local storage is a matter of general interest I think for runrev and more specifically for on-rev users, who will follow the HTML5 webapps route. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2249336.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Robert, It's tricky for ME to discuss Rodeo specifics, even if the topic would be of general interest. Truth is, I cannot think of many things we're doing with Rodeo that would not be of immense interest to lots of folks here. But me discussing these items and YOU discussing them are two different things. I'm a Rev user, but I'm also a visiting vendor of other wares. It would seem you have greater freedom to discuss. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Robert Mann wrote: I get the point about to be here or not to be here, Jerry. I'll go sign in and get enrolled in the rodeo trip. See you there! Nevertheless, discussing the know how and limitations of HTML5 local storage is a matter of general interest I think for runrev and more specifically for on-rev users, who will follow the HTML5 webapps route. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2249336.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Jerry et al, you may be interested in this: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/09/exclusive-mdialog-ad-developers-toolkit-for-ios4-and-ipad/ its a toolkit for streaming video to the iPhone/iPad, all in HTML5 Best, François Le 9 juin 2010 à 22:05, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Robert, It's tricky for ME to discuss Rodeo specifics, even if the topic would be of general interest. Truth is, I cannot think of many things we're doing with Rodeo that would not be of immense interest to lots of folks here. But me discussing these items and YOU discussing them are two different things. I'm a Rev user, but I'm also a visiting vendor of other wares. It would seem you have greater freedom to discuss. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Thanks, François! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 9, 2010, at 3:57 PM, François Chaplais wrote: Jerry et al, you may be interested in this: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/09/exclusive-mdialog-ad-developers-toolkit-for-ios4-and-ipad/ its a toolkit for streaming video to the iPhone/iPad, all in HTML5 Best, François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.comwrote: We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. Are you suggesting then, that if I use HTML5 (rodeo) to dynamically create several pages of content - whilst online, and those pages were to say contain a form that interacted with SQLite, that whilst offline I might be able to dynamically interact with SQLite, ie make entries into a field that searches the SQLite db and have results dynamically presented to me - although the base page template wouldn't change? I currently have a postgreSQL db I can access from On-Rev, which is great as long as I can connect. Once I loose connection, I can no longer do searches. It would be great to be able to push the db data into SQLite on the iPhone, be able to continually query it no matter where I am, then purge the data when finished. Does that sound doable with HTML5 + On-Rev + SQLite + iPhone? Thanks for your thoughts. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. Are you suggesting then, that if I use HTML5 (rodeo) to dynamically create several pages of content - whilst online, and those pages were to say contain a form that interacted with SQLite, that whilst offline I might be able to dynamically interact with SQLite, ie make entries into a field that searches the SQLite db and have results dynamically presented to me - although the base page template wouldn't change? I currently have a postgreSQL db I can access from On-Rev, which is great as long as I can connect. Once I loose connection, I can no longer do searches. It would be great to be able to push the db data into SQLite on the iPhone, be able to continually query it no matter where I am, then purge the data when finished. Does that sound doable with HTML5 + On-Rev + SQLite + iPhone? Yes it does. The SQLite database is stored on your device and should be accessible any time. You may need to do something with caches manifests so the page will operate without a connection, but it is certainly doable. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
OOO :-) If you ever do an example on your website please let us know. Thanks On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.comwrote: We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. Are you suggesting then, that if I use HTML5 (rodeo) to dynamically create several pages of content - whilst online, and those pages were to say contain a form that interacted with SQLite, that whilst offline I might be able to dynamically interact with SQLite, ie make entries into a field that searches the SQLite db and have results dynamically presented to me - although the base page template wouldn't change? I currently have a postgreSQL db I can access from On-Rev, which is great as long as I can connect. Once I loose connection, I can no longer do searches. It would be great to be able to push the db data into SQLite on the iPhone, be able to continually query it no matter where I am, then purge the data when finished. Does that sound doable with HTML5 + On-Rev + SQLite + iPhone? Yes it does. The SQLite database is stored on your device and should be accessible any time. You may need to do something with caches manifests so the page will operate without a connection, but it is certainly doable. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
HTML5 local storage seems to present some security issues. At least raise some serious ethical questions about how to use it and what for. I think basically users will eventually get .. (censored) unless one build a specific control interface to give that power back to users. http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/ For Rodéo apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared server, than all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo apps, So far I understood. Not reassuring! Though, it's not clear to me if the key is the domain name or the actual server : if I open a site with domainNameY.com and the site is actually hosted on host.com, what will be the local storage named? What I understood is : host.com will be the primary key for all local storage. And using sub folders will not allow to restrict the scope. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2247681.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Not so. No. Each developer has own space. If developer INVITES someone in...as a teammate, then they share. Vampire rules. Need an invite to join another developer. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Robert Mann wrote: For Rodéo apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared server, than all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo apps, So far I understood. Not reassuring! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Actually, I believe the following (from the provided link) is what is being referred to: 7.2 Cross-directory attacks Different authors sharing one host name, for example users hosting content on geocities.com, all share one local storage object. There is no feature to restrict the access by pathname. Authors on shared hosts are therefore recommended to avoid using these features, as it would be trivial for other authors to read the data and overwrite it. Even if a path-restriction feature was made available, the usual DOM scripting security model would make it trivial to bypass this protection and access the data from any path. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Not so. No. Each developer has own space. If developer INVITES someone in...as a teammate, then they share. Vampire rules. Need an invite to join another developer. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Robert Mann wrote: For Rodéo apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared server, than all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo apps, So far I understood. Not reassuring! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it, but it looks like Firefox 4 (or 3.7, or earlier) hopes to deliver HTML5 and multitouch, as well as the local data storage. Do we know if On-Rev is on track to host multitouch browser interfaces? If so, I would suddenly have a compelling reason to get facile with On-Rev and HTML5. I would guess that the iOS version of Safari will eventually support multitouch? This video purports to show a Firefox browser window supporting multitouch painting: http://www.labnol.org/internet/firefox-logo-drawn-using-firefox/10579/ Walton Sumner ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Yes indeed, Mike, i understand jerry's answer as far as server side accounts are concerned. I was just pointing out that in the context of html5 local storage, if and when a web app uses that storage, then there are issues of security. I'm working on an eDemocracy site app. i'll try hard to make it as secure as possible in order not to allow anybody to gather information about what somebody else think. What troubles me is at the same time to see a big move towards mobile advertisement AND the launching of HTML5 local storage which unlike cookies (which have caused trouble in the minds!) can have persistent datas, and much more datas. So I beleive it could be a good thing to be very clear on this data policy with users, for a change! Actually I do have a question on this HTML5 specifs : how can the user monitor datas? Has he got the right to go and inspect? or is it context dependant, e.i only a javascript program imbedded in a page of the said domain could get to the datas? If anybody has a clue, thanks! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WWDC-Keynote-HTML5-wide-open-for-On-Rev-revServer-tp2246637p2247953.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Robert, These are excellent issues and questions. We have a very robust discussion area for thoughts and comments from everyone. We also have monthly online (GoToMeeting) summits for pre-release registrants where we review all relevant technological issues...from syntax and language to architecture and scope. We want a healthy exchange of ideas while we build. It's our goal to have the highest performance, most secure solutions money can buy. We really want our hosting to be A-1. We have chosen a premium provider and review performance and configurations frequently. I have a good background in server-side architecture, security and performance. When I do run into my own ignorance, I know what to ask and whom to ask. Also, Sarah and MJ are very knowledgeable, and they ARE both mothers. They are endowed with great reserves of common sense and good judgement. HOWEVER... We are now in a gray area as far as discussion here on the How to Use Revolution list goes. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to appear unresponsive to your and other questions, but I also don't want to wear out my welcome here. I try to give quick answers and then redirect to our discussion group. So follow our discussion area and participate. It's free. Or better yet, actually get involved. Buy into the project and help guide it as we go one step at a time. We are going to listen most closely to the people we are committing to us and our project early-on. There aren't many opportunities to grow a new dev environment for a new class of device. This is a huge technical opportunity for everyone involved. Especially for Sarah, MJ and me. We want to share it with others, and we want it to be financially rewarding for the first 250 people involved (253 counting the three of us). Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Robert Mann wrote: Yes indeed, Mike, i understand jerry's answer as far as server side accounts are concerned. I was just pointing out that in the context of html5 local storage, if and when a web app uses that storage, then there are issues of security. I'm working on an eDemocracy site app. i'll try hard to make it as secure as possible in order not to allow anybody to gather information about what somebody else think. What troubles me is at the same time to see a big move towards mobile advertisement AND the launching of HTML5 local storage which unlike cookies (which have caused trouble in the minds!) can have persistent datas, and much more datas. So I beleive it could be a good thing to be very clear on this data policy with users, for a change! Actually I do have a question on this HTML5 specifs : how can the user monitor datas? Has he got the right to go and inspect? or is it context dependant, e.i only a javascript program imbedded in a page of the said domain could get to the datas? If anybody has a clue, thanks! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Jerry- Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:34:52 PM, you wrote: people involved (253 counting the three of us). Dude- You need three more people to make it an even number. Although 253 is the product of two primes, which is also kind of cool. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
I am from Austin and studied the sub-genius manifesto with care. I believe in slack. 256 it is. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Jerry- Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:34:52 PM, you wrote: people involved (253 counting the three of us). Dude- You need three more people to make it an even number. Although 253 is the product of two primes, which is also kind of cool. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Walt, You're mixing things. On-Rev which is just a service provider for RevServer does not deal with the presentatation (HTML, CSS, JS) part of web applications, this is left to the programmer. RevServer is a server side engine not unlike php. It doesn't do the presentation layer but the back end layer behind that. As far as I know, Safari Mobile already supports multitouch. Developers seldon make use of it though. I think that Safari sends touch events for the different fingers. Andre On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Sumner, Walt wsum...@dom.wustl.edu wrote: Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it, but it looks like Firefox 4 (or 3.7, or earlier) hopes to deliver HTML5 and multitouch, as well as the local data storage. Do we know if On-Rev is on track to host multitouch browser interfaces? If so, I would suddenly have a compelling reason to get facile with On-Rev and HTML5. I would guess that the iOS version of Safari will eventually support multitouch? This video purports to show a Firefox browser window supporting multitouch painting: http://www.labnol.org/internet/firefox-logo-drawn-using-firefox/10579/ Walton Sumner ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Walt, The iOS version of Safari already supports multitouch and has for a while now. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Sumner, Walt wrote: Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it, but it looks like Firefox 4 (or 3.7, or earlier) hopes to deliver HTML5 and multitouch, as well as the local data storage. Do we know if On-Rev is on track to host multitouch browser interfaces? If so, I would suddenly have a compelling reason to get facile with On-Rev and HTML5. I would guess that the iOS version of Safari will eventually support multitouch? This video purports to show a Firefox browser window supporting multitouch painting: http://www.labnol.org/internet/firefox-logo-drawn-using-firefox/10579/ Walton Sumner ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Friends, I just followed the Apple WWDC Keynote live blog by MacWorld. I have to say: I saw some very impressive integration of software and hardware. Apple is definitely leading the way with hybrid design. They've gone way beyond industrial design or user interface or user experience. This stuff will be hard to copy. And it has tremendous traction in the market already. Mr. Jobs made it abundantly clear that there are two ways to get apps on the iOS 4 platform (iOS 4 = iPad + iPhone + iPod Touch): the curated (and sometime just hated) app store and HTML5 which he made clear was WIDE open. There is a wonderful opportunity to create rich HTML5 apps for this platform much faster by taking advantage of On-Rev and the revServer technologies. Sarah, MJ and I are doing our version of just that with Rodeo. We would not have made it to pre-release in month without revServer technology. Anyways, great stuff from Apple. Go to their front page (http://apple.com ) to see a couple really nice videos. One is about the iPhone 4 and the other is about their incredible built-in video chat called FaceTime. The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. Forgot to mention iPhone 4 also has built-in video cam AND iMovie! Smokin' hot. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. Interesting marketing tactic, having ticked off all those developers I guess he's now targeting deaf people in the hope they haven't heard what he did ;-) There's probably more deaf people in the world than iOS developers so I think he might still be able to sell a few of these. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
This was a really big deal for tech today for many reasons: the new phone is outrageous. first real video phone ( I was at the 1964 world's fair and remember the first videophone on display ) the Retina display camera 720p iMovie gyroscope - detects rotation around gravity. There was a dreaded glitch in the presentation, but it wasn't Apple. The wifi (and net feed) at the Moscone was overwhelmed - there were so many personal devices and laptops in the crowd sucking bandwidth that it brought Job's demonstration of the book app to an embarrassing crawl. Jobs had to hold up the keynote until everyone turned off their wifi connections. Surely this is some kind of tipping point. The ad thing is brilliant, too. Jerry, you said that Rodeo might be supporting iPhone at some point? On 7 June 2010 16:02, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. Interesting marketing tactic, having ticked off all those developers I guess he's now targeting deaf people in the hope they haven't heard what he did ;-) There's probably more deaf people in the world than iOS developers so I think he might still be able to sell a few of these. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev revServer
Stephen, Sarah and I have been surprised how much easier it has been to cover multiple devices. If it has webkit we're pretty much good in Rodeo. iPhone is looking good to us right about now. So YES we sure are gonna support it! Editing our objects on the iPhone itself might be challenging due to lack of screen real estate whereas it's much easier on the iPad. But our Mac editor will groove on making an iPhone app. This is a big week for us as we're adding a bunch of cool stuff like faceless objects and inheritance. Hard to contain my exuberance. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:31 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: This was a really big deal for tech today for many reasons: the new phone is outrageous. first real video phone ( I was at the 1964 world's fair and remember the first videophone on display ) the Retina display camera 720p iMovie gyroscope - detects rotation around gravity. There was a dreaded glitch in the presentation, but it wasn't Apple. The wifi (and net feed) at the Moscone was overwhelmed - there were so many personal devices and laptops in the crowd sucking bandwidth that it brought Job's demonstration of the book app to an embarrassing crawl. Jobs had to hold up the keynote until everyone turned off their wifi connections. Surely this is some kind of tipping point. The ad thing is brilliant, too. Jerry, you said that Rodeo might be supporting iPhone at some point? On 7 June 2010 16:02, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: The FaceTime video is quite touching, actually. Interesting marketing tactic, having ticked off all those developers I guess he's now targeting deaf people in the hope they haven't heard what he did ;-) There's probably more deaf people in the world than iOS developers so I think he might still be able to sell a few of these. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: There is a wonderful opportunity to create rich HTML5 apps Along with iPhone 4 I see Apple released Safari 5 today, with additional who ha about HTML5. I've been a big fan of BBEdit for a long time, and love their HTML support, but even today there seems to be no support (wrong word because obviously you can still write HTML5 with BBEdit) for HMTL5 like there is for current versions of HTML. Searching the BareBones website produces no hits. So how standard is HTML5? I guess I should be asking BareBones. I also notice on the Safari 5 'What's New' page that they list 'HTML5 offline storage' as a feature that is supported. Anyone have any experience with this. How much can you actually do 'offline'? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I also notice on the Safari 5 'What's New' page that they list 'HTML5 offline storage' as a feature that is supported. Anyone have any experience with this. How much can you actually do 'offline'? Lots :-) We always had cookies which could store small snippets of data locally. Now with HTML5, we also have session storage variables (temporary), local storage variables (permanent) and even SQLite databases. Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
