Re: building a installer with rev
Grüß Dich Tiemo, 1) Perhaps you should try a mixed approach with an installer doing the hard things and your application doing the additional needs you want: a small installer + your own routines for copiing from the DVD after start of your installed application. Make an installer for example with installgadget with just a few files necessary for installation, running, registry settings and uninstall. start.exe -start.rev Your own application could then do the rest when the installed version starts (the first time or whenever the user wants to copy the videos from DVD to the drive): * find the location of the DVD * Let the user define a folder where to store the videos (the installation folder might be not good for such an amount of videos on different drives/partitions) and store this location in a userproperty ;-) of the installed start.rev or in a file. * copy all files from the DVD to this folder * your start.rev should check during start whether a local media folder has been created or the videos of the DVD must be used. Regards, Franz Mit freundlichen Grüßen Franz Böhmisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.animabit.de GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH Am Sonnenhang 22 D-94136 Thyrnau Tel +49 (0)8501-8538 Fax +49 (0)8501-8537___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: building a installer with rev
Hello Franz, Yes, I have also thought about this approach and will follow that. Thank you for your thoughts Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 17. November 2008 09:19 An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Betreff: Re: building a installer with rev Grüß Dich Tiemo, 1) Perhaps you should try a mixed approach with an installer doing the hard things and your application doing the additional needs you want: a small installer + your own routines for copiing from the DVD after start of your installed application. Make an installer for example with installgadget with just a few files necessary for installation, running, registry settings and uninstall. start.exe -start.rev Your own application could then do the rest when the installed version starts (the first time or whenever the user wants to copy the videos from DVD to the drive): * find the location of the DVD * Let the user define a folder where to store the videos (the installation folder might be not good for such an amount of videos on different drives/partitions) and store this location in a userproperty ;-) of the installed start.rev or in a file. * copy all files from the DVD to this folder * your start.rev should check during start whether a local media folder has been created or the videos of the DVD must be used. Regards, Franz Mit freundlichen Grüßen Franz Böhmisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.animabit.de GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH Am Sonnenhang 22 D-94136 Thyrnau Tel +49 (0)8501-8538 Fax +49 (0)8501-8537 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
building a installer with rev
Hello, I have read the archives about this issue, but didn't found an answer to my specific needs. Perhaps somebody can give me some advice. What I want to do is to distribute my app on DVD-ROM for Mac and Win. It is heavily based on Videos (7.5GB), that's why the medium is not a CD-ROM, but a double layer DVD-9. My app should be runable direct from DVD-ROM (on Win with autostart), that's why I can't have any packaged/zipped content on the DV-ROM. So far no problem. Now I want to supply the user that he can also install / copy the whole app on HD to be independent of the DVD-ROM. Here I have some open questions. On Mac: - The easiest way would be to tell the user, that he just can copy the whole DVD-ROM into any folder on HD and that's it. I think to provide a copyAll-setup wouldn't bring much more comfort - Are there any issues, not to do this, or what the user would expect coming along with a HD install (like a desktop alias on Win)? On Win: - All installers I have seen so far want to compress/zip the content of my app on the medium and do an unzip while installing. Because all my files have to be runable from DVD, they can't be compressed and I can't use any installer (like innosetup or installgadget or stuffit) Do you know any installer, which just can copy the files without having them packaged before? So my thought was to create my own setup with rev, which just copies all the content of my DVD to HD, I don't need any drivers, registry settings or things like that, just a full copy. - If I would offer the user to install into the standard C:\program files, how will Vista give me the privilege of admin rights to copy to that destination? I have read sometime before, that Vista just recognizes a setup from the name setup.exe. Is this true and sufficient? How to prevent from being virtualized? - How can I create an alias on the desktop and startmenu to my app with rev? Is it possible at all? - How to create an uninstall? After having deleted all my files in C:\programm files\ (what thinks Vista about that?), how do I delete myself (the uninstall.exe) Never done such a thing before. - Are there any other issues, I haven't thought about yet and I should tell the win user also, just to copy the DVD wherever he wants to and has to care about it for himself? Thanks for your experience and recommendations Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: building a installer with rev
Tiemo, Speaking from experience, while you can certainly create your own installer using Rev, it ends up being a fair amount of work. You could save a lot of time using another installer tool. Most installers (InnoSetup for one, and it's totally free) will allow you to keep your files external to the installer. In other words, you can opt not to compress the files, and have the installer do a simple copy action instead. Simply use the external flag. That way, your app could still run straight from the DVD, but you'd also have an easy interface for allowing the user to copy files to HD. If you're not familiar with InnoSetup, I recommend using ISTool, a third-party interface that provides a lot of extra functionality that you would otherwise have to script yourself. HTH, Chris Sheffield On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:54 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, I have read the archives about this issue, but didn't found an answer to my specific needs. Perhaps somebody can give me some advice. What I want to do is to distribute my app on DVD-ROM for Mac and Win. It is heavily based on Videos (7.5GB), that's why the medium is not a CD-ROM, but a double layer DVD-9. My app should be runable direct from DVD-ROM (on Win with autostart), that's why I can't have any packaged/zipped content on the DV-ROM. So far no problem. Now I want to supply the user that he can also install / copy the whole app on HD to be independent of the DVD-ROM. Here I have some open questions. On Mac: - The easiest way would be to tell the user, that he just can copy the whole DVD-ROM into any folder on HD and that's it. I think to provide a copyAll-setup wouldn't bring much more comfort - Are there any issues, not to do this, or what the user would expect coming along with a HD install (like a desktop alias on Win)? On Win: - All installers I have seen so far want to compress/zip the content of my app on the medium and do an unzip while installing. Because all my files have to be runable from DVD, they can't be compressed and I can't use any installer (like innosetup or installgadget or stuffit) Do you know any installer, which just can copy the files without having them packaged before? So my thought was to create my own setup with rev, which just copies all the content of my DVD to HD, I don't need any drivers, registry settings or things like that, just a full copy. - If I would offer the user to install into the standard C:\program files, how will Vista give me the privilege of admin rights to copy to that destination? I have read sometime before, that Vista just recognizes a setup from the name setup.exe. Is this true and sufficient? How to prevent from being virtualized? - How can I create an alias on the desktop and startmenu to my app with rev? Is it possible at all? - How to create an uninstall? After having deleted all my files in C:\programm files\ (what thinks Vista about that?), how do I delete myself (the uninstall.exe) Never done such a thing before. - Are there any other issues, I haven't thought about yet and I should tell the win user also, just to copy the DVD wherever he wants to and has to care about it for himself? Thanks for your experience and recommendations Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: building a installer with rev
Hi Chris, that's a really good info! I have worked already with innoSetup, but have never realized the external flag. That will be my approach for win. I wasn't keen on building my own setup :) Does anybody knows same for a Mac installer? And not being a Mac user, what is the difference, if a program is installed into the program folder instead of just copied the whole DVD into any folder? Are there any special functionalities connected with programs in the program folder, what a Mac user expects? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chris Sheffield Gesendet: Freitag, 14. November 2008 16:05 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: building a installer with rev Tiemo, Speaking from experience, while you can certainly create your own installer using Rev, it ends up being a fair amount of work. You could save a lot of time using another installer tool. Most installers (InnoSetup for one, and it's totally free) will allow you to keep your files external to the installer. In other words, you can opt not to compress the files, and have the installer do a simple copy action instead. Simply use the external flag. That way, your app could still run straight from the DVD, but you'd also have an easy interface for allowing the user to copy files to HD. If you're not familiar with InnoSetup, I recommend using ISTool, a third-party interface that provides a lot of extra functionality that you would otherwise have to script yourself. HTH, Chris Sheffield On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:54 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, I have read the archives about this issue, but didn't found an answer to my specific needs. Perhaps somebody can give me some advice. What I want to do is to distribute my app on DVD-ROM for Mac and Win. It is heavily based on Videos (7.5GB), that's why the medium is not a CD-ROM, but a double layer DVD-9. My app should be runable direct from DVD-ROM (on Win with autostart), that's why I can't have any packaged/zipped content on the DV-ROM. So far no problem. Now I want to supply the user that he can also install / copy the whole app on HD to be independent of the DVD-ROM. Here I have some open questions. On Mac: - The easiest way would be to tell the user, that he just can copy the whole DVD-ROM into any folder on HD and that's it. I think to provide a copyAll-setup wouldn't bring much more comfort - Are there any issues, not to do this, or what the user would expect coming along with a HD install (like a desktop alias on Win)? On Win: - All installers I have seen so far want to compress/zip the content of my app on the medium and do an unzip while installing. Because all my files have to be runable from DVD, they can't be compressed and I can't use any installer (like innosetup or installgadget or stuffit) Do you know any installer, which just can copy the files without having them packaged before? So my thought was to create my own setup with rev, which just copies all the content of my DVD to HD, I don't need any drivers, registry settings or things like that, just a full copy. - If I would offer the user to install into the standard C:\program files, how will Vista give me the privilege of admin rights to copy to that destination? I have read sometime before, that Vista just recognizes a setup from the name setup.exe. Is this true and sufficient? How to prevent from being virtualized? - How can I create an alias on the desktop and startmenu to my app with rev? Is it possible at all? - How to create an uninstall? After having deleted all my files in C:\programm files\ (what thinks Vista about that?), how do I delete myself (the uninstall.exe) Never done such a thing before. - Are there any other issues, I haven't thought about yet and I should tell the win user also, just to copy the DVD wherever he wants to and has to care about it for himself? Thanks for your experience and recommendations Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman
Re: AW: building a installer with rev
Bonjour Tiemo, Le 14 nov. 08 à 16:39, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Does anybody knows same for a Mac installer? And not being a Mac user, what is the difference, if a program is installed into the program folder instead of just copied the whole DVD into any folder? Are there any special functionalities connected with programs in the program folder, what a Mac user expects? Installation on Macs is much more easier than on Win computers: No 'wizard' needed and no problem, AFAIK, with permissions to copy a bundle into applications folder. A Mac user expects that you open the applications folder on the desktop when finished or if some check boxes have been checked in an intermediate window, launch the app and/or open a Read Me file. He expects too to be able to drag and drop your application by himself into his own applications folder. In order to do this, you can create a disk image the window of it just says: Drag this icon to your applications folder. But if you have not any Mac on hand, it will be uneasy for you to set up such a window in the Mac partition of your DVD. Actually, Mac users are considered as being reached adulthood ;-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I like these kind of users! :) Thanks Tiemo Actually, Mac users are considered as being reached adulthood ;-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
