Re: knee-jerk 90
EU, Lithuania, but the situation is actually similar in other European countries except Scandinavia where Macs are slightly more popular. But even there, when I asked my Finish partner if they have any Mac for testing, he replied that it would be quite hard to find one because they do not have any at the University... The price difference here may be not because of the pricing policy of Apple but because our European taxation systems and attitude of resellers towards Macs. Here Mac prices start where PC prices reach their top at about 5000 Lt (~1500 Eur). But things seem to be changing quite rapidly. 10 years ago price difference between a laptop PC in Lithuania and in Germany for example was 4:1 because of resellers and taxes (yes - we had to pay 4 times more!). Luckily, now this is not a case anymore and all sorts of PCs are even cheaper comparing with our neighbors because of very high competition rates. Same was with mobile phones, and now we have the lowest service prices for mobiles in the EU, 100% country coverage and in average 2 devices per person in use. Same happens with High speed internet, G3 and mobile internet services, HD TV and possibly Macs will get much cheaper very soon. On the other hand it is quite complicated to compare Mac and PC. You may be interested in discussion at: http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2004/05/mac_vs_pc_a_small_cost_compari html All the best! Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Sarah Reichelt Date: 2007.02.02 01:06:24 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: knee-jerk 90 Where do you live Viktoras? Here in Australia the "Macs are more expensive" myth has been debunked for years now, provided one compares machines with similar specs. As an amusing sideline to this thread, CNET is running a poll asking when people plan to switch to Vista: <http://news.com.com/Vista+steals+the+show/2100-1016_3-6154632.html> The poll is still open, but here are the results to date: How soon do you plan to move to Microsoft's latest OS? I'm sticking with the Mac--or moving there soon. 50.8% Windows XP is going to last me a good, long time. 20.9% Whenever I buy my next PC. 20.8% I'm standing in line right now to buy it. 7.5% Total votes: 13540 Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knee-jerk 90
Where do you live Viktoras? Here in Australia the "Macs are more expensive" myth has been debunked for years now, provided one compares machines with similar specs. As an amusing sideline to this thread, CNET is running a poll asking when people plan to switch to Vista: <http://news.com.com/Vista+steals+the+show/2100-1016_3-6154632.html> The poll is still open, but here are the results to date: How soon do you plan to move to Microsoft's latest OS? I'm sticking with the Mac--or moving there soon.50.8% Windows XP is going to last me a good, long time. 20.9% Whenever I buy my next PC. 20.8% I'm standing in line right now to buy it. 7.5% Total votes: 13540 Cheers, Sarah On 2/2/07, Viktoras Didziulis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: August 14 2006: 1. Windows XP 86.80% 2. Windows 2000 6.09% 3. Windows 98 2.68% 4. Macintosh 2.32% 5. Windows ME 1.09% 6. Linux 0.36% 7. Windows NT 0.24% 8. Macintosh Power PC 0.15% Source: www.onestat.com Indeed, I know only a few design firms nearby that use Apples. Everywhere else (shops, firms, schools, university) Windows and Linux only. Simply because Macs are so expensive... I am still dreaming about buying one ;-). I have used Apple once, in an international conference on multimedia tools... No one from people I know own Apple. Once I asked at the university about availability of Macintosh computer and the answer was - a friend of friend of mine has it... Situation in the USA of course may be quite different (in favor of Macs) from Europe or the rest of the world. But when we speak about an ordinary desktop user its Windows by default... Best wishes Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Stephen Barncard Date: 2007.02.01 23:14:19 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: RevSpeak - a little less robotic? I hear that knee-jerk 90% figure mentioned all the time. I don't think it's accurate anymore. Anyway, many of that 90% are CNC drilling machines, point of sale terminals and imbedded systems, not desktops. Does anybody have REAL, documented, unbiased platform numbers? >Well, what comparable possibilities do we have in the remaining 90% of the >world (e.g. Windows)? >V. > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: knee-jerk 90
> I've seen these figures get smaller and smaller for Apple every year. > Yet they innovate, thrive, sell a lot of product and are > flush with cash. I find these figures believable because Ive seen similar ones from a variety of sources that otherwise wouldn't come from the same well (such as PC shipments in Japan from companies in Japan that track such things). Apple being profitable doesn't have to be immediately associated with % of the PC market. Apple has its own ecosystem of products and markets and its really maximized the amount of profit it can generate through all venues associated from it. I think it was totally appropriate that they dropped the word "Computer" from their name. Stephen, have you read Geoffrey Moore's Inside the Tornado? I recommend it (his other books are great) in particular because it makes a lot of sense for what's going on at Apple (ie it being a good thing for Apple). Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: knee-jerk 90
I've seen these figures get smaller and smaller for Apple every year. Yet they innovate, thrive, sell a lot of product and are flush with cash. Without confirmation these are just numbers thrown up again. As I said before, who harvested these figures, what are they based on and why should I believe them? > August 14 2006: 1. Windows XP 86.80% 2. Windows 2000 6.09% 3. Windows 98 2.68% 4. Macintosh 2.32% 5. Windows ME 1.09% 6. Linux 0.36% 7. Windows NT 0.24% 8. Macintosh Power PC 0.15% If measuring the desktop market this looks pretty real to me. Toss the net wider and take in phone OSs (or even just servers), its going to look a little different. Id also conjecture that of those Win 2000 boxes, the majority of them are in corporations that are still (even with Vista here) migrating to XP and will be for some time to come. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: knee-jerk 90
> August 14 2006: > > 1. Windows XP 86.80% > 2. Windows 2000 6.09% > 3. Windows 98 2.68% > 4. Macintosh 2.32% > 5. Windows ME 1.09% > 6. Linux 0.36% > 7. Windows NT 0.24% > 8. Macintosh Power PC 0.15% If measuring the desktop market this looks pretty real to me. Toss the net wider and take in phone OSs (or even just servers), its going to look a little different. Id also conjecture that of those Win 2000 boxes, the majority of them are in corporations that are still (even with Vista here) migrating to XP and will be for some time to come. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: knee-jerk 90
August 14 2006: 1. Windows XP 86.80% 2. Windows 2000 6.09% 3. Windows 98 2.68% 4. Macintosh 2.32% 5. Windows ME 1.09% 6. Linux 0.36% 7. Windows NT 0.24% 8. Macintosh Power PC 0.15% Source: www.onestat.com Indeed, I know only a few design firms nearby that use Apples. Everywhere else (shops, firms, schools, university) Windows and Linux only. Simply because Macs are so expensive... I am still dreaming about buying one ;-). I have used Apple once, in an international conference on multimedia tools... No one from people I know own Apple. Once I asked at the university about availability of Macintosh computer and the answer was - a friend of friend of mine has it... Situation in the USA of course may be quite different (in favor of Macs) from Europe or the rest of the world. But when we speak about an ordinary desktop user its Windows by default... Best wishes Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Stephen Barncard Date: 2007.02.01 23:14:19 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: RevSpeak - a little less robotic? I hear that knee-jerk 90% figure mentioned all the time. I don't think it's accurate anymore. Anyway, many of that 90% are CNC drilling machines, point of sale terminals and imbedded systems, not desktops. Does anybody have REAL, documented, unbiased platform numbers? >Well, what comparable possibilities do we have in the remaining 90% of the >world (e.g. Windows)? >V. > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
