Does NTP affects LWT's ballot UUID?

2017-10-10 Thread Daniel Woo
Hi guys,

The ballot UUID should be monotonically increasing on each coordinator, but
the UUID in cassandra is version 1 (timestamp based), what happens if the
NTP service adjusts system clock while a two phase paxos prepare/commit is
in progress?

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Thanks & Regards,
Daniel


Re: Does NTP affects LWT's ballot UUID?

2017-10-10 Thread DuyHai Doan
The ballot UUID is obtained using QUORUM agreement between replicas for a
given partition key and we use this TimeUUID ballot as write-time for the
mutation.

The only scenario where I can see a problem is that NTP goes backward in
time on a QUORUM of replicas, which would break the contract of
monotonicity. I don't know how likely this event is ...

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Daniel Woo  wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> The ballot UUID should be monotonically increasing on each coordinator,
> but the UUID in cassandra is version 1 (timestamp based), what happens if
> the NTP service adjusts system clock while a two phase paxos prepare/commit
> is in progress?
>
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
> Daniel
>


Re: Does NTP affects LWT's ballot UUID?

2017-10-10 Thread Daniel Woo
Hi DuyHai,

Thanks, and that's exactly what I am asking, if NTP goes backward. Actually
NTP often does that because clock drift is inevitable.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, DuyHai Doan  wrote:

> The ballot UUID is obtained using QUORUM agreement between replicas for a
> given partition key and we use this TimeUUID ballot as write-time for the
> mutation.
>
> The only scenario where I can see a problem is that NTP goes backward in
> time on a QUORUM of replicas, which would break the contract of
> monotonicity. I don't know how likely this event is ...
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Daniel Woo 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> The ballot UUID should be monotonically increasing on each coordinator,
>> but the UUID in cassandra is version 1 (timestamp based), what happens if
>> the NTP service adjusts system clock while a two phase paxos prepare/commit
>> is in progress?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>
>


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Thanks & Regards,
Daniel


Re: Does NTP affects LWT's ballot UUID?

2017-10-11 Thread Blake Eggleston
Since the UUID is used as the ballot in a paxos instance, if it goes backwards 
in time, it will be rejected by the other replicas (if there is a more recent 
instance), and the proposal will fail. However, after the initial rejection, 
the coordinator will try again with the most recently seen ballot +1, which 
should succeed (unless another coordinator has started a proposal with a higher 
ballot in the meantime).

On October 10, 2017 at 1:04:22 AM, Daniel Woo (daniel.y@gmail.com) wrote:

Hi DuyHai,

Thanks, and that's exactly what I am asking, if NTP goes backward. Actually NTP 
often does that because clock drift is inevitable.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, DuyHai Doan  wrote:
The ballot UUID is obtained using QUORUM agreement between replicas for a given 
partition key and we use this TimeUUID ballot as write-time for the mutation.

The only scenario where I can see a problem is that NTP goes backward in time 
on a QUORUM of replicas, which would break the contract of monotonicity. I 
don't know how likely this event is ...

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Daniel Woo  wrote:
Hi guys,

The ballot UUID should be monotonically increasing on each coordinator, but the 
UUID in cassandra is version 1 (timestamp based), what happens if the NTP 
service adjusts system clock while a two phase paxos prepare/commit is in 
progress?

--
Thanks & Regards,
Daniel




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Thanks & Regards,
Daniel