Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-26 Thread Ivanmarcus 

+1, & thanks Mike.

As long as this resource remains available that removes the main issue I 
was seeing...


On 27/07/21 3:29 am, Christopher Speck wrote:
That link for searchable archives is really useful! I was going to 
comment that I used Nabble for searching the archives, as a reason to 
keep some forum-like solution up. I had assumed that the dev mailing 
list was unsearchable since Nabble wasn’t also setup for it, but it 
looks like it is via this same application. Thanks!


-Christopher

On Jul 26, 2021, at 12:35 AM, Mike Jumper > wrote:


On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 4:16 AM Ivanmarcus 
mailto:ivanmar...@yahoo.com.invalid>> 
wrote:


Sorry to hear this, although I have suffered (admittedly not entirely
Nabble's fault) with the list emails being spammed - one reason
why I've
been quiet recently.

In any event I guess it would be good to at least try and keep the
forum
archive if possible (I find it useful to search when responding to
people's queries that I'm sure I've seen before!). To that end
archiving
the raw data may be prudent too - should the forum disappeared
altogether it may be possible to export to something else?


The Nabble forum was just a forum interface for the user@ mailing 
list, which is already archived:


https://lists.apache.org/x/list.html?user@guacamole.apache.org 
 
(searchable)
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/guacamole-user/ 



I'm not sure at exactly what point Nabble ceased synchronizing with 
the list. I found a post in Nabble's support forum stating that this 
was going to happen, though there was no email announcement like what 
I received for the overall pending shutdown:


https://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-forums-next-week-td7609458.html 
 
(June 13)


The user@ list archives should reflect the content of Nabble up to the 
point that Nabble shut off synchronization with the mailing list.


- Mike





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Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-26 Thread stefanu 

Hi all.

We (egroupware.org) decided in 2017 to replace our mailing lists (sourceforge), 
which were also available via Nabble. We often had technical difficulties and 
no control over them.

Relatively quickly it was clear to us that we wanted to use Discourse as a 
replacement.
One of the main reasons was that Discourse also has a mailing list mode. As a 
user, you can have all contributions sent to you as e-mails (or not, or per 
category). I can reply to posts and also create new topics via email.

Our Forum now:
https://help.egroupware.org/

The disadvantage is that the mails are listed flat in the mailer. Discourse 
follows a strategy of linear discussions. Although you can also reply to 
individual posts.

For some, the fact that you have to register is also a disadvantage. But that 
was the same for us before with the interaction of Sourceforge and Nabble.

Discourse takes some getting used to, but because it's so widespread, it's 
certainly not very unfamiliar.

We would do it exactly the same way again today.

Stefan
EGroupware Community Manager


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Mike Jumper schrieb am 24.07.21 um 00:29:

Recently, I received the following message from Nabble:



We are downsizing Nabble to one server.  If you want to preserve your forum:

http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/

Then you should follow the instructions here:

http://support.nabble.com/Downsizing-Nabble-tp7609715.html;



The instructions mentioned above are simple enough (I would need to
post to the thread to request the forum be preserved), but I'm
questioning whether it's worth continuing to use the Nabble platform.

While its forum interface is comfortably familiar for many users,
Nabble has been pretty problematic:

* Users still need to correctly subscribe to the mailing list or their
posts will not be received, even though they appear to have posted
successfully within Nabble.
* Messages sent from Nabble's servers frequently get marked as spam
and end up not received by mailing list subscribers, regardless of
whether the user posting the message is subscribed.

Any thoughts on maybe just ... not using Nabble any longer? I'd think
just sending an email to the list really should be simple enough, and
the website can be updated to make this process more clear.

- Mike

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Viele Grüße
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Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-26 Thread Christopher Speck 
That link for searchable archives is really useful! I was going to comment that 
I used Nabble for searching the archives, as a reason to keep some forum-like 
solution up. I had assumed that the dev mailing list was unsearchable since 
Nabble wasn’t also setup for it, but it looks like it is via this same 
application. Thanks!

-Christopher

> On Jul 26, 2021, at 12:35 AM, Mike Jumper  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 4:16 AM Ivanmarcus  
> wrote:
> Sorry to hear this, although I have suffered (admittedly not entirely 
> Nabble's fault) with the list emails being spammed - one reason why I've 
> been quiet recently.
> 
> In any event I guess it would be good to at least try and keep the forum 
> archive if possible (I find it useful to search when responding to 
> people's queries that I'm sure I've seen before!). To that end archiving 
> the raw data may be prudent too - should the forum disappeared 
> altogether it may be possible to export to something else?
> 
> The Nabble forum was just a forum interface for the user@ mailing list, which 
> is already archived:
> 
> https://lists.apache.org/x/list.html?user@guacamole.apache.org 
>  (searchable)
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/guacamole-user/ 
> 
> 
> I'm not sure at exactly what point Nabble ceased synchronizing with the list. 
> I found a post in Nabble's support forum stating that this was going to 
> happen, though there was no email announcement like what I received for the 
> overall pending shutdown:
> 
> https://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-forums-next-week-td7609458.html
>  
> 
>  (June 13)
> 
> The user@ list archives should reflect the content of Nabble up to the point 
> that Nabble shut off synchronization with the mailing list.
> 
> - Mike
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-25 Thread Mike Jumper 
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 4:16 AM Ivanmarcus 
wrote:

> Sorry to hear this, although I have suffered (admittedly not entirely
> Nabble's fault) with the list emails being spammed - one reason why I've
> been quiet recently.
>
> In any event I guess it would be good to at least try and keep the forum
> archive if possible (I find it useful to search when responding to
> people's queries that I'm sure I've seen before!). To that end archiving
> the raw data may be prudent too - should the forum disappeared
> altogether it may be possible to export to something else?


The Nabble forum was just a forum interface for the user@ mailing list,
which is already archived:

https://lists.apache.org/x/list.html?user@guacamole.apache.org (searchable)
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/guacamole-user/

I'm not sure at exactly what point Nabble ceased synchronizing with the
list. I found a post in Nabble's support forum stating that this was going
to happen, though there was no email announcement like what I received for
the overall pending shutdown:

https://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-forums-next-week-td7609458.html
(June 13)

The user@ list archives should reflect the content of Nabble up to the
point that Nabble shut off synchronization with the mailing list.

- Mike

Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-25 Thread Tyler Marcotte 
I haven't chimed in much, but I will say that I found the archives very
helpful when trying to set something up for the first time. I'm the type of
person that will search for hours before actually sending an email, so I
found it very helpful to have the nabble archives. If there's
something else available that's archivable and searchable, that would be
great too.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:16 AM Ivanmarcus 
wrote:

> Sorry to hear this, although I have suffered (admittedly not entirely
> Nabble's fault) with the list emails being spammed - one reason why I've
> been quiet recently.
>
> In any event I guess it would be good to at least try and keep the forum
> archive if possible (I find it useful to search when responding to
> people's queries that I'm sure I've seen before!). To that end archiving
> the raw data may be prudent too - should the forum disappeared
> altogether it may be possible to export to something else?
>
>
> On 24/07/21 10:29 am, Mike Jumper wrote:
> > Recently, I received the following message from Nabble:
> >
> >>
> >> We are downsizing Nabble to one server.  If you want to preserve your
> forum:
> >>
> >>
> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/
> >>
> >> Then you should follow the instructions here:
> >>
> >> http://support.nabble.com/Downsizing-Nabble-tp7609715.html;
> >>
> >
> > The instructions mentioned above are simple enough (I would need to
> > post to the thread to request the forum be preserved), but I'm
> > questioning whether it's worth continuing to use the Nabble platform.
> >
> > While its forum interface is comfortably familiar for many users,
> > Nabble has been pretty problematic:
> >
> > * Users still need to correctly subscribe to the mailing list or their
> > posts will not be received, even though they appear to have posted
> > successfully within Nabble.
> > * Messages sent from Nabble's servers frequently get marked as spam
> > and end up not received by mailing list subscribers, regardless of
> > whether the user posting the message is subscribed.
> >
> > Any thoughts on maybe just ... not using Nabble any longer? I'd think
> > just sending an email to the list really should be simple enough, and
> > the website can be updated to make this process more clear.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -
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> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-25 Thread Ivanmarcus 
Sorry to hear this, although I have suffered (admittedly not entirely 
Nabble's fault) with the list emails being spammed - one reason why I've 
been quiet recently.


In any event I guess it would be good to at least try and keep the forum 
archive if possible (I find it useful to search when responding to 
people's queries that I'm sure I've seen before!). To that end archiving 
the raw data may be prudent too - should the forum disappeared 
altogether it may be possible to export to something else?



On 24/07/21 10:29 am, Mike Jumper wrote:

Recently, I received the following message from Nabble:



We are downsizing Nabble to one server.  If you want to preserve your forum:

http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/

Then you should follow the instructions here:

http://support.nabble.com/Downsizing-Nabble-tp7609715.html;



The instructions mentioned above are simple enough (I would need to
post to the thread to request the forum be preserved), but I'm
questioning whether it's worth continuing to use the Nabble platform.

While its forum interface is comfortably familiar for many users,
Nabble has been pretty problematic:

* Users still need to correctly subscribe to the mailing list or their
posts will not be received, even though they appear to have posted
successfully within Nabble.
* Messages sent from Nabble's servers frequently get marked as spam
and end up not received by mailing list subscribers, regardless of
whether the user posting the message is subscribed.

Any thoughts on maybe just ... not using Nabble any longer? I'd think
just sending an email to the list really should be simple enough, and
the website can be updated to make this process more clear.

- Mike

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Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-25 Thread Mike Jumper 
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:14 PM Roman Baeriswyl 
wrote:

> To be honest, I absolutely hate mailing lists.


Well ... that's unfortunate. I personally happen to like them, but even if
I didn't they do have to exist. Apache projects are required to use these
lists as their primary channels, and my understanding is there are good
reasons for this.

I would prefer discord, gitter, slack or a real forum as support channel.


Any of these are probably worth considering as secondary channels. I would
also be curious whether any other Apache projects have started pointing
users at these in addition to the universal set of mailing lists.

Re-reading that Nabble post regarding preserving the forum interface, it
looks like that's actually gone for good regardless of our thoughts here:

"... Note that we no longer do mailing list archiving, so if you own an old
mailing list archive, there is no point to preserving it. ..."

- Mike

Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-23 Thread Roman Baeriswyl 
To be honest, I absolutely hate mailing lists. I would prefer discord,
gitter, slack or a real forum as support channel.

Am Samstag, 24. Juli 2021 schrieb Mike Jumper :

> Recently, I received the following message from Nabble:
>
> >
> > We are downsizing Nabble to one server.  If you want to preserve your
> forum:
> >
> > http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/
> >
> > Then you should follow the instructions here:
> >
> > http://support.nabble.com/Downsizing-Nabble-tp7609715.html;
> >
>
> The instructions mentioned above are simple enough (I would need to
> post to the thread to request the forum be preserved), but I'm
> questioning whether it's worth continuing to use the Nabble platform.
>
> While its forum interface is comfortably familiar for many users,
> Nabble has been pretty problematic:
>
> * Users still need to correctly subscribe to the mailing list or their
> posts will not be received, even though they appear to have posted
> successfully within Nabble.
> * Messages sent from Nabble's servers frequently get marked as spam
> and end up not received by mailing list subscribers, regardless of
> whether the user posting the message is subscribed.
>
> Any thoughts on maybe just ... not using Nabble any longer? I'd think
> just sending an email to the list really should be simple enough, and
> the website can be updated to make this process more clear.
>
> - Mike
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscr...@guacamole.apache.org
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>
>

[DISCUSS] Migrate away from Nabble as forum-like mailing list alternative

2021-07-23 Thread Mike Jumper 
Recently, I received the following message from Nabble:

>
> We are downsizing Nabble to one server.  If you want to preserve your forum:
>
> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/
>
> Then you should follow the instructions here:
>
> http://support.nabble.com/Downsizing-Nabble-tp7609715.html;
>

The instructions mentioned above are simple enough (I would need to
post to the thread to request the forum be preserved), but I'm
questioning whether it's worth continuing to use the Nabble platform.

While its forum interface is comfortably familiar for many users,
Nabble has been pretty problematic:

* Users still need to correctly subscribe to the mailing list or their
posts will not be received, even though they appear to have posted
successfully within Nabble.
* Messages sent from Nabble's servers frequently get marked as spam
and end up not received by mailing list subscribers, regardless of
whether the user posting the message is subscribed.

Any thoughts on maybe just ... not using Nabble any longer? I'd think
just sending an email to the list really should be simple enough, and
the website can be updated to make this process more clear.

- Mike

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