Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

2010-09-18 Thread Ken Gunderson 

On Sat, 2010-09-18 at 10:42 +0100, chris snow wrote:
> Hi BJ, there are parts of ofbiz that could be 'easily' used outside of
> ofbiz if they weren't all part of the same code base.  The Entity
> Engine example is one part that could become a library.  Other parts
> include the datatype coverters and temporal expressions.  At the
> moment if I want to use these parts of ofbiz in external applications,
> I have to manually extract them from the ofbiz code base.
> 
> The framework would then be an assembly of libraries. By splitting
> ofbiz up, each library (entity engine, converters, temporal
> expressions, etc) could be developed independently of the rest of the
> ofbiz code.  Do you want me do list the advantages of this approach?

Nope.  But it might be nice if:

1) Everyone stopped top posting so that ofbiz newbies could more easily
follow the chronology of discussion threads.

2) You listed the disadvantages of your approach.

Thank you and have a nice day;)

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Ken Gunderson

Re: Version 10.04 Status?

2010-09-08 Thread Ken Gunderson 

On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 11:17 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@ofbiz.apache.org/msg27030.html
> >>  David E Jones-4 wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release
> >>  branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in
> >>  the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and
> >>  bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and
> >>  bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new
> >>  things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities.
> >> 
> >>  -David
> >> That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested.
> > 
> > Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development
> > model but was hoping for something a little more explicit.  For example,
> > from the wiki link:
> > 
> > "Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and
> > pre-built package will be issued"
> > 
> > Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04?  Days, weeks,
> > months?  
> 
> Sorry, that message wasn't from me as a response to your question, it is an 
> older message I wrote and BJ copied it in reply to your message (up to the 
> "-David", after that I think those are BJ's comments).
> 
> As for when a stable release might happen, it totally depends on community 
> interest. OFBiz is a community driven project. There is no central planning 
> and control. All it takes for a release to be done is for one of the PMC 
> members to push it through the process, and of course in order for that to 
> happen that person must be both interested in seeing the stable release done, 
> and either comfortable with the current state of the branch or willing to 
> help push to get things ready for release.
> 
> A PMC member could become interested based on the interest of others, so 
> asking here and expressing interest is a good thing to do to help get this 
> going.
> 
> BTW, here is a reference of those who have moderation and management roles in 
> the project:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers
> 
> -David
> 
> 

Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty familiar with open source and asf
models, but not ofbiz.  Anyone care to elaborate on the "current state
of the branch" w.r.t code readiness?  Is tagging 10.04 stable more a
matter of code dev or asf hoops?  The 5.0 release of Roller, for
example, is 99.9% the latter.

Thanks-- Ken

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Ken Gunderson

Re: Version 10.04 Status?

2010-09-08 Thread Ken Gunderson 

On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan
> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@ofbiz.apache.org/msg27030.html
>   David E Jones-4 wrote:
> 
> 
>   One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release
>   branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in
>   the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and
>   bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and
>   bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new
>   things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities.
> 
>   -David
> That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested.

Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development
model but was hoping for something a little more explicit.  For example,
from the wiki link:

"Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and
pre-built package will be issued"

Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04?  Days, weeks,
months?  

Regards-- Ken


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Ken Gunderson

Version 10.04 Status?

2010-09-07 Thread Ken Gunderson 
Hello:

I'm unable to find road map, milestone, or release schedule information
and would appreciate clarification regarding 10.04 release status.  I
note from SVN that the release was branched but has not been tagged
stable.  How much of a moving target is the 10.04 branch? Should I be
looking at 9.04 stable or 10.04 for a production deployment that's still
a couple/few months out?

Thanks-- Ken


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Ken Gunderson