Re: demo store look and feel
Legal or not, in my opinion copying the look and feel of a direct competitor such as Magento is ethically gray at best, downright shady at worst. I definitely agree with Christopher that the demo store looks tired compared to Magento's but simply copying their default theme doesn't speak much to our project's credibility. The OFBiz community has more than enough talent to analyze what the the Magento front-end does well and duplicate that without copying their look and feel screen for screen. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:50 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: google case law look and feel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/int-prop/software-copyright.html http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol4/Wrenn/HTML/text.html This was a complex decision in which the copyright infringement claims for the various elements of the desktop were thrown out on a variety of grounds. One important basis for the ruling was the court's finding that the appropriate standard to apply was whether the two GUI presentations were virtually identical, whereas Apple had argued that the appropriate standard was substantial similarity. Computer programs manifest themselves in any number of ways. 10 Similarly, the term look and feel, also known as total concept and feel, has been used by copyright law in a number of contexts. 11 Applied to computer software, it has been used in reference to the look and feel of written program instructions 12 as well as the look and feel of a program's audiovisual displays. 13 This comment is concerned only with the latter. This section will describe the technology at issue and consider it within its market context. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Scott Gray sent the following on 3/26/2010 7:55 PM: Reference? On 26/03/2010, at 7:04 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: from past case law, with zerox, microsoft, apple. look and feel can be copyrighted. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Scott Gray sent the following on 3/26/2010 5:39 PM: I don't think there is a problem with copying the visual aspects of another application but you absolutely couldn't copy (or really even look at) any of their code because of the license. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 25/03/2010, at 10:37 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: My question was more along the lines of: 'Would a rip of magento look and feel be accepted into trunk?' BJ Freeman wrote: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
Re: demo store look and feel
I don't think there is a problem with copying the visual aspects of another application but you absolutely couldn't copy (or really even look at) any of their code because of the license. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 25/03/2010, at 10:37 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: My question was more along the lines of: 'Would a rip of magento look and feel be accepted into trunk?' BJ Freeman wrote: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: demo store look and feel
from past case law, with zerox, microsoft, apple. look and feel can be copyrighted. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Scott Gray sent the following on 3/26/2010 5:39 PM: I don't think there is a problem with copying the visual aspects of another application but you absolutely couldn't copy (or really even look at) any of their code because of the license. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 25/03/2010, at 10:37 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: My question was more along the lines of: 'Would a rip of magento look and feel be accepted into trunk?' BJ Freeman wrote: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
Re: demo store look and feel
Reference? On 26/03/2010, at 7:04 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: from past case law, with zerox, microsoft, apple. look and feel can be copyrighted. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Scott Gray sent the following on 3/26/2010 5:39 PM: I don't think there is a problem with copying the visual aspects of another application but you absolutely couldn't copy (or really even look at) any of their code because of the license. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 25/03/2010, at 10:37 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: My question was more along the lines of: 'Would a rip of magento look and feel be accepted into trunk?' BJ Freeman wrote: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: demo store look and feel
google case law look and feel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/int-prop/software-copyright.html http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol4/Wrenn/HTML/text.html This was a complex decision in which the copyright infringement claims for the various elements of the desktop were thrown out on a variety of grounds. One important basis for the ruling was the court's finding that the appropriate standard to apply was whether the two GUI presentations were virtually identical, whereas Apple had argued that the appropriate standard was substantial similarity. Computer programs manifest themselves in any number of ways. 10 Similarly, the term look and feel, also known as total concept and feel, has been used by copyright law in a number of contexts. 11 Applied to computer software, it has been used in reference to the look and feel of written program instructions 12 as well as the look and feel of a program's audiovisual displays. 13 This comment is concerned only with the latter. This section will describe the technology at issue and consider it within its market context. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Scott Gray sent the following on 3/26/2010 7:55 PM: Reference? On 26/03/2010, at 7:04 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: from past case law, with zerox, microsoft, apple. look and feel can be copyrighted. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Scott Gray sent the following on 3/26/2010 5:39 PM: I don't think there is a problem with copying the visual aspects of another application but you absolutely couldn't copy (or really even look at) any of their code because of the license. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 25/03/2010, at 10:37 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: My question was more along the lines of: 'Would a rip of magento look and feel be accepted into trunk?' BJ Freeman wrote: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
demo store look and feel
The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
Re: demo store look and feel
sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
Re: demo store look and feel
Wow, that was easy ;-) Regards, Ruth BJ Freeman wrote: you can use https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3490 to create a new theme by copying then go in and make changes so it works with the ecommerce side = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro BJ Freeman sent the following on 3/25/2010 5:00 PM: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
Re: demo store look and feel
if I figured he was a end user would have approached it from a different angle. :D as my dad use to say it is something any 5yr can do with 20 yrs experience. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 3/25/2010 5:17 PM: Wow, that was easy ;-) Regards, Ruth BJ Freeman wrote: you can use https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3490 to create a new theme by copying then go in and make changes so it works with the ecommerce side = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro BJ Freeman sent the following on 3/25/2010 5:00 PM: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
Re: demo store look and feel
My question was more along the lines of: 'Would a rip of magento look and feel be accepted into trunk?' BJ Freeman wrote: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
Re: demo store look and feel
We already have an alternative theme for the ecommerce application in the trunk. It is called multiflex. May be we could spend some time to improve it and make it the default ecommerce theme. -Bruno 2010/3/26 Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk My question was more along the lines of: 'Would a rip of magento look and feel be accepted into trunk?' BJ Freeman wrote: sure just create a theme. or take a couple from the backend and make them for ecommerce. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/25/2010 4:42 PM: The ofbiz demo store looks very tired compared to stores such as magento commerce demo (http://demo.magentocommerce.com/) Has anyone considered copying magento's look and feel for ofbiz? Many thanks, Chris
