RE: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Maybe It would be nice that unpersist() ‘triggers’ the computations of other
rdds that depends on it but not yet computed.
The pseudo code can be as follows:
unpersist()
{
if (this rdd has not been persisted)
return;
for (all rdds that depends on this rdd but not yet computed)
compute_that_rdd;
do_actual_unpersist();
}
From: Daniel Siegmann [mailto:daniel.siegm...@velos.io]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 5:38 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Re: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
I've run into this issue. The goal of caching / persist seems to be to avoid
recomputing an RDD when its data will be needed multiple times. However, once
the following RDDs are computed the cache is no longer needed. The currently
design provides no obvious way to detect when the cache is no longer needed so
it can be discarded.
In the case of cache in memory, it may be handled by partitions being dropped
(in LRU order) when memory fills up. I need to do some more experimentation to
see if this really works well, or if allowing memory to fill up causes
performance issues or possibly OOM errors if data isn't correctly freed.
In the case of persisting to disk, I'm not sure if there's a way to limit the
disk space used for caching. Does anyone know if there is such a configuration
option? This is a pressing issue for me - I have had jobs fail because nodes
ran out of disk space.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Nick Pentreath nick.pentre...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you want to force materialization use .count()
Also if you can simply don't unpersist anything, unless you really need to free
the memory
—
Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:13 AM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
BTW, it is possible that rdd.first() does not compute the whole partitions.
So, first() cannot be uses for the situation below.
-Original Message-
From: innowireless TaeYun Kim [mailto:taeyun@innowireless.co.kr]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:40 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Hi,
What I (seems to) know about RDD persisting API is as follows:
- cache() and persist() is not an action. It only does a marking.
- unpersist() is also not an action. It only removes a marking. But if the
rdd is already in memory, it is unloaded.
And there seems no API to forcefully materialize the RDD without requiring a
data by an action method, for example first().
So, I am faced with the following scenario.
{
JavaRDDT rddUnion = sc.parallelize(new ArrayListT()); // create
empty for merging
for (int i = 0; i 10; i++)
{
JavaRDDT2 rdd = sc.textFile(inputFileNames[i]);
rdd.cache(); // Since it will be used twice, cache.
rdd.map(...).filter(...).saveAsTextFile(outputFileNames[i]); //
Transform and save, rdd materializes
rddUnion = rddUnion.union(rdd.map(...).filter(...)); // Do another
transform to T and merge by union
rdd.unpersist(); // Now it seems not needed. (But needed actually)
}
// Here, rddUnion actually materializes, and needs all 10 rdds that
already unpersisted.
// So, rebuilding all 10 rdds will occur.
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile(mergedFileName);
}
If rddUnion can be materialized before the rdd.unpersist() line and
cache()d, the rdds in the loop will not be needed on
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile().
Now what is the best strategy?
- Do not unpersist all 10 rdds in the loop.
- Materialize rddUnion in the loop by calling 'light' action API, like
first().
- Give up and just rebuild/reload all 10 rdds when saving rddUnion.
Is there some misunderstanding?
Thanks.
--
Daniel Siegmann, Software Developer
Velos
Accelerating Machine Learning
440 NINTH AVENUE, 11TH FLOOR, NEW YORK, NY 10001
E: mailto:daniel.siegm...@velos.io daniel.siegm...@velos.io W:
http://www.velos.io www.velos.io
Re: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
FYI: Here is a related discussion
http://apache-spark-user-list.1001560.n3.nabble.com/Persist-and-unpersist-td6437.html
about this.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
Maybe It would be nice that unpersist() ‘triggers’ the computations of
other rdds that depends on it but not yet computed.
The pseudo code can be as follows:
unpersist()
{
if (this rdd has not been persisted)
return;
for (all rdds that depends on this rdd but not yet computed)
compute_that_rdd;
do_actual_unpersist();
}
*From:* Daniel Siegmann [mailto:daniel.siegm...@velos.io]
*Sent:* Friday, June 13, 2014 5:38 AM
*To:* user@spark.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
I've run into this issue. The goal of caching / persist seems to be to
avoid recomputing an RDD when its data will be needed multiple times.
However, once the following RDDs are computed the cache is no longer
needed. The currently design provides no obvious way to detect when the
cache is no longer needed so it can be discarded.
In the case of cache in memory, it may be handled by partitions being
dropped (in LRU order) when memory fills up. I need to do some more
experimentation to see if this really works well, or if allowing memory to
fill up causes performance issues or possibly OOM errors if data isn't
correctly freed.
In the case of persisting to disk, I'm not sure if there's a way to limit
the disk space used for caching. Does anyone know if there is such a
configuration option? This is a pressing issue for me - I have had jobs
fail because nodes ran out of disk space.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Nick Pentreath nick.pentre...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you want to force materialization use .count()
Also if you can simply don't unpersist anything, unless you really need to
free the memory
—
Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:13 AM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
BTW, it is possible that rdd.first() does not compute the whole
partitions.
So, first() cannot be uses for the situation below.
-Original Message-
From: innowireless TaeYun Kim [mailto:taeyun@innowireless.co.kr]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:40 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Hi,
What I (seems to) know about RDD persisting API is as follows:
- cache() and persist() is not an action. It only does a marking.
- unpersist() is also not an action. It only removes a marking. But if the
rdd is already in memory, it is unloaded.
And there seems no API to forcefully materialize the RDD without requiring
a
data by an action method, for example first().
So, I am faced with the following scenario.
{
JavaRDDT rddUnion = sc.parallelize(new ArrayListT()); // create
empty for merging
for (int i = 0; i 10; i++)
{
JavaRDDT2 rdd = sc.textFile(inputFileNames[i]);
rdd.cache(); // Since it will be used twice, cache.
rdd.map(...).filter(...).saveAsTextFile(outputFileNames[i]); //
Transform and save, rdd materializes
rddUnion = rddUnion.union(rdd.map(...).filter(...)); // Do another
transform to T and merge by union
rdd.unpersist(); // Now it seems not needed. (But needed actually)
}
// Here, rddUnion actually materializes, and needs all 10 rdds that
already unpersisted.
// So, rebuilding all 10 rdds will occur.
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile(mergedFileName);
}
If rddUnion can be materialized before the rdd.unpersist() line and
cache()d, the rdds in the loop will not be needed on
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile().
Now what is the best strategy?
- Do not unpersist all 10 rdds in the loop.
- Materialize rddUnion in the loop by calling 'light' action API, like
first().
- Give up and just rebuild/reload all 10 rdds when saving rddUnion.
Is there some misunderstanding?
Thanks.
--
Daniel Siegmann, Software Developer
Velos
Accelerating Machine Learning
440 NINTH AVENUE, 11TH FLOOR, NEW YORK, NY 10001
E: daniel.siegm...@velos.io W: www.velos.io
RE: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Currently I use rdd.count() for forceful computation, as Nick Pentreath
suggested.
I think that it will be nice to have a method that forcefully computes a rdd,
so that the unnecessary rdds are safely unpersist()ed.
Let’s think a case that a rdd_a is a parent of both:
(1) a short-term rdd_s that depends only on the rdd (transformation of rdd_a)
(2) and a long-term rdd_t that depends on the rdds that may be computed later.
(may be for some aggregation)
Usually rdd_s is computed early, and rdd_a is computed for it. But it has to
remain in memory until rdd_t is eventually computed. (Or recomputed when rdd_t
is computed)
It would be nice if rdd_t could be computed when rdd_s is computed, so that
rdd_a can be unpersist()ed, since it will not be used anymore.
(Currently I use rdd_t.count() for that)
sc.prune() which was suggested in the related discussion you provided is not
helpful for this case, since rdd_a is ‘referenced’ by ‘lazy’ rdd_t.
(Get up rdd_t, and do it with rdd_s while rdd_a is here for rdd_s.)
From: Nicholas Chammas [mailto:nicholas.cham...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 9:31 AM
To: user
Subject: Re: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
FYI: Here is a related discussion
http://apache-spark-user-list.1001560.n3.nabble.com/Persist-and-unpersist-td6437.html
about this.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
Maybe It would be nice that unpersist() ¡®triggers¡¯ the computations of other
rdds that depends on it but not yet computed.
The pseudo code can be as follows:
unpersist()
{
if (this rdd has not been persisted)
return;
for (all rdds that depends on this rdd but not yet computed)
compute_that_rdd;
do_actual_unpersist();
}
From: Daniel Siegmann [mailto:daniel.siegm...@velos.io]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 5:38 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Re: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
I've run into this issue. The goal of caching / persist seems to be to avoid
recomputing an RDD when its data will be needed multiple times. However, once
the following RDDs are computed the cache is no longer needed. The currently
design provides no obvious way to detect when the cache is no longer needed so
it can be discarded.
In the case of cache in memory, it may be handled by partitions being dropped
(in LRU order) when memory fills up. I need to do some more experimentation to
see if this really works well, or if allowing memory to fill up causes
performance issues or possibly OOM errors if data isn't correctly freed.
In the case of persisting to disk, I'm not sure if there's a way to limit the
disk space used for caching. Does anyone know if there is such a configuration
option? This is a pressing issue for me - I have had jobs fail because nodes
ran out of disk space.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Nick Pentreath nick.pentre...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you want to force materialization use .count()
Also if you can simply don't unpersist anything, unless you really need to free
the memory
—
Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:13 AM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
BTW, it is possible that rdd.first() does not compute the whole partitions.
So, first() cannot be uses for the situation below.
-Original Message-
From: innowireless TaeYun Kim [mailto:taeyun@innowireless.co.kr]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:40 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Hi,
What I (seems to) know about RDD persisting API is as follows:
- cache() and persist() is not an action. It only does a marking.
- unpersist() is also not an action. It only removes a marking. But if the
rdd is already in memory, it is unloaded.
And there seems no API to forcefully materialize the RDD without requiring a
data by an action method, for example first().
So, I am faced with the following scenario.
{
JavaRDDT rddUnion = sc.parallelize(new ArrayListT()); // create
empty for merging
for (int i = 0; i 10; i++)
{
JavaRDDT2 rdd = sc.textFile(inputFileNames[i]);
rdd.cache(); // Since it will be used twice, cache.
rdd.map(...).filter(...).saveAsTextFile(outputFileNames[i]); //
Transform and save, rdd materializes
rddUnion = rddUnion.union(rdd.map(...).filter(...)); // Do another
transform to T and merge by union
rdd.unpersist(); // Now it seems not needed. (But needed actually)
}
// Here, rddUnion actually materializes, and needs all 10 rdds that
already unpersisted.
// So, rebuilding all 10 rdds will occur.
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile(mergedFileName);
}
If rddUnion can be materialized before the rdd.unpersist() line and
cache()d, the rdds in the loop will not be needed on
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile().
Now what is the best strategy?
- Do not unpersist all 10 rdds in the loop
RE: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
(I¡¯ve clarified the statement (1) of my previous mail. See below.)
From: innowireless TaeYun Kim [mailto:taeyun@innowireless.co.kr]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 10:05 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: RE: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Currently I use rdd.count() for forceful computation, as Nick Pentreath
suggested.
I think that it will be nice to have a method that forcefully computes a rdd,
so that the unnecessary rdds are safely unpersist()ed.
Let’s think a case that a rdd_a is a parent of both:
(1) a short-term rdd_s that depends only on rdd_a (maybe rdd_s is a
transformation of rdd_a)
(2) and a long-term rdd_t that depends on the rdds that may be computed later.
(may be for some aggregation)
Usually rdd_s is computed early, and rdd_a is computed for it. But it has to
remain in memory until rdd_t is eventually computed. (Or recomputed when rdd_t
is computed)
It would be nice if rdd_t could be computed when rdd_s is computed, so that
rdd_a can be unpersist()ed, since it will not be used anymore.
(Currently I use rdd_t.count() for that)
sc.prune() which was suggested in the related discussion you provided is not
helpful for this case, since rdd_a is ‘referenced’ by ‘lazy’ rdd_t.
(Get up rdd_t, and do it with rdd_s while rdd_a is here for rdd_s.)
From: Nicholas Chammas [mailto:nicholas.cham...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 9:31 AM
To: user
Subject: Re: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
FYI: Here is a related discussion
http://apache-spark-user-list.1001560.n3.nabble.com/Persist-and-unpersist-td6437.html
about this.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
Maybe It would be nice that unpersist() ¡®triggers¡¯ the computations of other
rdds that depends on it but not yet computed.
The pseudo code can be as follows:
unpersist()
{
if (this rdd has not been persisted)
return;
for (all rdds that depends on this rdd but not yet computed)
compute_that_rdd;
do_actual_unpersist();
}
From: Daniel Siegmann [mailto:daniel.siegm...@velos.io]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 5:38 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Re: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
I've run into this issue. The goal of caching / persist seems to be to avoid
recomputing an RDD when its data will be needed multiple times. However, once
the following RDDs are computed the cache is no longer needed. The currently
design provides no obvious way to detect when the cache is no longer needed so
it can be discarded.
In the case of cache in memory, it may be handled by partitions being dropped
(in LRU order) when memory fills up. I need to do some more experimentation to
see if this really works well, or if allowing memory to fill up causes
performance issues or possibly OOM errors if data isn't correctly freed.
In the case of persisting to disk, I'm not sure if there's a way to limit the
disk space used for caching. Does anyone know if there is such a configuration
option? This is a pressing issue for me - I have had jobs fail because nodes
ran out of disk space.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Nick Pentreath nick.pentre...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you want to force materialization use .count()
Also if you can simply don't unpersist anything, unless you really need to free
the memory
—
Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:13 AM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
BTW, it is possible that rdd.first() does not compute the whole partitions.
So, first() cannot be uses for the situation below.
-Original Message-
From: innowireless TaeYun Kim [mailto:taeyun@innowireless.co.kr]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:40 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Hi,
What I (seems to) know about RDD persisting API is as follows:
- cache() and persist() is not an action. It only does a marking.
- unpersist() is also not an action. It only removes a marking. But if the
rdd is already in memory, it is unloaded.
And there seems no API to forcefully materialize the RDD without requiring a
data by an action method, for example first().
So, I am faced with the following scenario.
{
JavaRDDT rddUnion = sc.parallelize(new ArrayListT()); // create
empty for merging
for (int i = 0; i 10; i++)
{
JavaRDDT2 rdd = sc.textFile(inputFileNames[i]);
rdd.cache(); // Since it will be used twice, cache.
rdd.map(...).filter(...).saveAsTextFile(outputFileNames[i]); //
Transform and save, rdd materializes
rddUnion = rddUnion.union(rdd.map(...).filter(...)); // Do another
transform to T and merge by union
rdd.unpersist(); // Now it seems not needed. (But needed actually)
}
// Here, rddUnion actually materializes, and needs all 10 rdds that
already unpersisted.
// So, rebuilding all 10
RE: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
If you want to force materialization use .count()
Also if you can simply don't unpersist anything, unless you really need to free
the memory
—
Sent from Mailbox
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:13 AM, innowireless TaeYun Kim
taeyun@innowireless.co.kr wrote:
BTW, it is possible that rdd.first() does not compute the whole partitions.
So, first() cannot be uses for the situation below.
-Original Message-
From: innowireless TaeYun Kim [mailto:taeyun@innowireless.co.kr]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:40 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Hi,
What I (seems to) know about RDD persisting API is as follows:
- cache() and persist() is not an action. It only does a marking.
- unpersist() is also not an action. It only removes a marking. But if the
rdd is already in memory, it is unloaded.
And there seems no API to forcefully materialize the RDD without requiring a
data by an action method, for example first().
So, I am faced with the following scenario.
{
JavaRDDT rddUnion = sc.parallelize(new ArrayListT()); // create
empty for merging
for (int i = 0; i 10; i++)
{
JavaRDDT2 rdd = sc.textFile(inputFileNames[i]);
rdd.cache(); // Since it will be used twice, cache.
rdd.map(...).filter(...).saveAsTextFile(outputFileNames[i]); //
Transform and save, rdd materializes
rddUnion = rddUnion.union(rdd.map(...).filter(...)); // Do another
transform to T and merge by union
rdd.unpersist(); // Now it seems not needed. (But needed actually)
}
// Here, rddUnion actually materializes, and needs all 10 rdds that
already unpersisted.
// So, rebuilding all 10 rdds will occur.
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile(mergedFileName);
}
If rddUnion can be materialized before the rdd.unpersist() line and
cache()d, the rdds in the loop will not be needed on
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile().
Now what is the best strategy?
- Do not unpersist all 10 rdds in the loop.
- Materialize rddUnion in the loop by calling 'light' action API, like
first().
- Give up and just rebuild/reload all 10 rdds when saving rddUnion.
Is there some misunderstanding?
Thanks.
RE: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
BTW, it is possible that rdd.first() does not compute the whole partitions.
So, first() cannot be uses for the situation below.
-Original Message-
From: innowireless TaeYun Kim [mailto:taeyun@innowireless.co.kr]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:40 AM
To: user@spark.apache.org
Subject: Question about RDD cache, unpersist, materialization
Hi,
What I (seems to) know about RDD persisting API is as follows:
- cache() and persist() is not an action. It only does a marking.
- unpersist() is also not an action. It only removes a marking. But if the
rdd is already in memory, it is unloaded.
And there seems no API to forcefully materialize the RDD without requiring a
data by an action method, for example first().
So, I am faced with the following scenario.
{
JavaRDDT rddUnion = sc.parallelize(new ArrayListT()); // create
empty for merging
for (int i = 0; i 10; i++)
{
JavaRDDT2 rdd = sc.textFile(inputFileNames[i]);
rdd.cache(); // Since it will be used twice, cache.
rdd.map(...).filter(...).saveAsTextFile(outputFileNames[i]); //
Transform and save, rdd materializes
rddUnion = rddUnion.union(rdd.map(...).filter(...)); // Do another
transform to T and merge by union
rdd.unpersist(); // Now it seems not needed. (But needed actually)
}
// Here, rddUnion actually materializes, and needs all 10 rdds that
already unpersisted.
// So, rebuilding all 10 rdds will occur.
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile(mergedFileName);
}
If rddUnion can be materialized before the rdd.unpersist() line and
cache()d, the rdds in the loop will not be needed on
rddUnion.saveAsTextFile().
Now what is the best strategy?
- Do not unpersist all 10 rdds in the loop.
- Materialize rddUnion in the loop by calling 'light' action API, like
first().
- Give up and just rebuild/reload all 10 rdds when saving rddUnion.
Is there some misunderstanding?
Thanks.
