Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache Storm and moving to the Attic
Storm is a very successful project, even before the major re-write that happened on version 2.x. The community has been slowing down over the last couple of years, but perhaps that is a reflection of the maturity level of the project, where there are no major bugs or feature requests. So I like to think Storm is very much not dead, but that's for the community to decide. Taylor, thanks for stepping up. I agree that lowering the bar can be the way to go. On Thu, Feb 2, 2023, 06:07 P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > IMO, there are tow scenarios: > > 1. Storm is in dead. No one uses it anymore, and no one needs security > patches, etc. > 2. Storm is in maintenance mode. While new features may not be added, > there are enough contributors left tp at least address any security > concerns. > > Wether we pursue the attic o projectr continuation is really up to the > community. Anyone who want to step up and help continue the project should > be considered a PMC candidate. > > As I’ve said in other threads, I’m willing to act as PMC chair whatever > the PMC decides. > > But for now we have ne official liaison to ther ASF board. PMC members > need to elect a chair, whether we choose to continue or head to the attic. > > I would lean toward lowering the bar for PMC membership to anyone > interested in ongoing maintenance. > > I’m still willing to serve as the board liaison (PMC Chair) in either case > of retirement or continuation. I’d also support anyone else willing to take > the position. The position needs to be filled either way. > > This is a decision that affects both developers and users. Thank you Aaron > for bringing it to the attention of the broader community. > > -Taylor > > On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:26 PM, sunil yadav wrote: > > One side note looking to see what folks are migrating or moved to if not > using Storm actively. Any cloud native DAG platform to recommend? > > -Sunil > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:12 PM Stephen Powis via user < > user@storm.apache.org> wrote: > >> Ah Yea, also not opposed to the move to the attic if it's determined to >> be most appropriate, but I had a similar experience as Richard where I >> submitted some PRs, asked for comments/thoughts/review, and even offered to >> take over ownership of one of the sub modules and got no responses. >> Perhaps I just submitted under the wrong forum to get an answer, but >> definitely a bummer, and would love to see the project/community get >> revived. >> >> - Stephen >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:09 PM Richard Zowalla wrote: >> >>> Hi Aaron, >>> >>> I am CC the users@ list as they weren't contained in the initial >>> proposal. Perhaps, there are people or institutions in the wild, who >>> want to volunteer or give it a try (still at the ASF level). >>> >>> Of course it shouldn't prevent a VOTE for moving to the attic, but an >>> additional try to get some more attention (if needed). >>> >>> Gruß >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> Am Dienstag, dem 31.01.2023 um 08:00 -0600 schrieb Aaron Niskode- >>> Dossett: >>> > Thank you to those who responded. Given that the low number of >>> > responses I >>> > am going to start a vote on moving to the attic tomorrow. >>> > >>> > One other note: A vote to move to the attic would not mean the end of >>> > Storm, the project can be forked by anyone who wants to continue the >>> > work >>> > (just as it can be forked today), it would just be outside of the >>> > ASF. >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 3:12 AM Richard Zowalla >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hi all, >>> > > >>> > > I also experienced, that dev@ activity is quite low. I did provide >>> > > some >>> > > PRs and asked questions a few months ago and didn't get any >>> > > feedback, >>> > > although the PRs got merged in the end. I think, that we need some >>> > > sort >>> > > of community rebuilding / revival, if we want to maintain Storm in >>> > > a >>> > > sustainable way (like it is done for TomEE or OpenNLP). >>> > > >>> > > Nevertheless, as I am also a committer on StormCrawler, which >>> > > relies on >>> > > Storm (obviously) _and_ is used in our research work, I am also >>> > > happy >>> > > to jump in as a volunteer, if some ppl are needed. >>> > > >>> > > Gruß >>> > > Richard >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 22:00 + schrieb Bipin Prasad: >>> > > > I am volunteering to take on the role of PMC chairFor Storm. Not >>> > > > quite sure about the process. >>> > > > Thanks—Bipin Prasad >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 4:50 PM, Aaron Niskode-Dossett < >>> > > > doss...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Hello Storm developer community, >>> > > > >>> > > > In the past year or so this project has slowed down and the >>> > > > Project >>> > > > Management Committee [PMC] has almost no active members. The PMC >>> > > > chair >>> > > > resigned in 2022 with due notice and noone has since volunteered >>> > > > to >>> > > > assume >>> > > > those
Re: [DISCUSSION] Apache Storm and moving to the Attic
I agree with Taylor, and suggest Taylor as the new PMC chair (he is the former Storm PMC chair, has rich experience in community operation and management). Rui Abreu 于2023年2月3日周五 08:21写道： > Storm is a very successful project, even before the major re-write that > happened on version 2.x. > The community has been slowing down over the last couple of years, but > perhaps that is a reflection of the maturity level of the project, where > there are no major bugs or feature requests. So I like to think Storm is > very much not dead, but that's for the community to decide. > Taylor, thanks for stepping up. I agree that lowering the bar can be the > way to go. > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2023, 06:07 P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > >> IMO, there are tow scenarios: >> >> 1. Storm is in dead. No one uses it anymore, and no one needs security >> patches, etc. >> 2. Storm is in maintenance mode. While new features may not be added, >> there are enough contributors left tp at least address any security >> concerns. >> >> Wether we pursue the attic o projectr continuation is really up to the >> community. Anyone who want to step up and help continue the project should >> be considered a PMC candidate. >> >> As I’ve said in other threads, I’m willing to act as PMC chair whatever >> the PMC decides. >> >> But for now we have ne official liaison to ther ASF board. PMC members >> need to elect a chair, whether we choose to continue or head to the attic. >> >> I would lean toward lowering the bar for PMC membership to anyone >> interested in ongoing maintenance. >> >> I’m still willing to serve as the board liaison (PMC Chair) in either >> case of retirement or continuation. I’d also support anyone else willing to >> take the position. The position needs to be filled either way. >> >> This is a decision that affects both developers and users. Thank you >> Aaron for bringing it to the attention of the broader community. >> >> -Taylor >> >> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:26 PM, sunil yadav wrote: >> >> One side note looking to see what folks are migrating or moved to if not >> using Storm actively. Any cloud native DAG platform to recommend? >> >> -Sunil >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:12 PM Stephen Powis via user < >> user@storm.apache.org> wrote: >> >>> Ah Yea, also not opposed to the move to the attic if it's determined to >>> be most appropriate, but I had a similar experience as Richard where I >>> submitted some PRs, asked for comments/thoughts/review, and even offered to >>> take over ownership of one of the sub modules and got no responses. >>> Perhaps I just submitted under the wrong forum to get an answer, but >>> definitely a bummer, and would love to see the project/community get >>> revived. >>> >>> - Stephen >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:09 PM Richard Zowalla wrote: >>> Hi Aaron, I am CC the users@ list as they weren't contained in the initial proposal. Perhaps, there are people or institutions in the wild, who want to volunteer or give it a try (still at the ASF level). Of course it shouldn't prevent a VOTE for moving to the attic, but an additional try to get some more attention (if needed). Gruß Richard Am Dienstag, dem 31.01.2023 um 08:00 -0600 schrieb Aaron Niskode- Dossett: > Thank you to those who responded. Given that the low number of > responses I > am going to start a vote on moving to the attic tomorrow. > > One other note: A vote to move to the attic would not mean the end of > Storm, the project can be forked by anyone who wants to continue the > work > (just as it can be forked today), it would just be outside of the > ASF. > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 3:12 AM Richard Zowalla > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I also experienced, that dev@ activity is quite low. I did provide > > some > > PRs and asked questions a few months ago and didn't get any > > feedback, > > although the PRs got merged in the end. I think, that we need some > > sort > > of community rebuilding / revival, if we want to maintain Storm in > > a > > sustainable way (like it is done for TomEE or OpenNLP). > > > > Nevertheless, as I am also a committer on StormCrawler, which > > relies on > > Storm (obviously) _and_ is used in our research work, I am also > > happy > > to jump in as a volunteer, if some ppl are needed. > > > > Gruß > > Richard > > > > > > Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 22:00 + schrieb Bipin Prasad: > > > I am volunteering to take on the role of PMC chairFor Storm. Not > > > quite sure about the process. > > > Thanks—Bipin Prasad > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 4:50 PM, Aaron Niskode-Dossett < > > > doss...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Storm devel
