RE: JSF - Shale transition

2005-09-09 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
What do you mean by inferior if you are interested in performance. Is
the overhead of the dialog/navigation processing pretty high? 

-Original Message-
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:19 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: JSF - Shale transition

Well, have you considered classic struts?  Shale is really meant for
people who are trying to change an application from JSF to Struts, and
not everyone, including myself, think this is a good idea.  Shale is not
Struts improved but a transition to something entirely different, and
inferior in my opinion, if you are interested in performance.

On 9/8/05, Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We're wanting to go from our home-brewed method of interaction using 
 jsps and servlets that are not very consistent in their expression 
 (other than the general jsp/servlet specs) to something that defines 
 interactions more concretely. Our current frustrations include form 
 handling, page transitions, forwarding, etc.
 
 Regards,
 Kaleb
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:44 AM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: JSF - Shale transition
 
 Moving from Struts to JSF is moving to a more defined framework?
 That is pretty difficult to grasp.  Could you explain?
 
 
 
 On 9/6/05, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 9/6/05, Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey all,
  
   As I had mentioned in a previous post, our team is looking to move

   towards a more well defined web framework. From my limited 
   experience using Shale (ran the shale-use-cases) I'm not feeling 
   very confident that we could use it *right away*.
  
   I wanted to ask for opinions on what would be a gradual step for 
   us to take towards the Shale framework (once it's stable enough to

   use in a production environment). For example, would JSF + Spring 
   be a good combo that would make for an easy transition to Shale? 
   Struts +
 
   WebFlow + Spring? Etc..
  
   Do the aforementioned framework combinations even matter? Will 
   Shale
 
   just add another layer on top or glue together with what we would 
   have already developed? Although I've been reading up on Shale 
   quite
 
   a bit, my understanding is still limited so please excuse me if 
   these questions are easily found through already documented
sources.
 
   If they are, please share where they can be found :)
 
 
 
  The key to choosing a transition approach is what you want to use 
  for the front controller part of your architecture durng the 
  interim. If
 
  you're starting from Struts, a straightforward path would be to use 
  the integration library to start switching your pages to using JSF 
  components instead of Struts HTML tags (without having to modify 
  your actions), followed by a migration of the back-end logic to 
  using JSF's
 
  front controller and request processing lifecycle.
 
  If, on the other hand, you decide to commit to JSF's controller 
  early rather than late, you might as well just use Shale along with 
  it from the beginning. Unlike the way that other frameworks deal 
  with JSF, Shale
  *assumes* you will be using the JSF controller architecture, and it 
  just adds ease of use around problems you'll face anyway. It doesn't

  try to treat JSF as purely a component architecture.
 
  Craig McClanahan
 
  Regards,
   Kaleb
  
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RE: JSF - Shale transition

2005-09-09 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
I should've shut my mouth earlier :). 

Kaleb 

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From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: JSF - Shale transition

I prefer to do all my webapps in Assembly running on dedicated hardware
with no OS at all.

Beat *THAT* performance! ;)

Frank

Gary VanMatre wrote:
What do you mean by inferior if you are interested in performance. 
Is the overhead of the dialog/navigation processing pretty high?

 
 
 In perspective, vanilla servlet programming is faster than Struts.  
 
 Isn't it relative to what you *value* in a web framework. 
 
 Gary
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:19 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: JSF - Shale transition

Well, have you considered classic struts?  Shale is really meant for 
people who are trying to change an application from JSF to Struts, and

not everyone, including myself, think this is a good idea.  Shale is 
not Struts improved but a transition to something entirely different, 
and inferior in my opinion, if you are interested in performance.

On 9/8/05, Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We're wanting to go from our home-brewed method of interaction using 
jsps and servlets that are not very consistent in their expression 
(other than the general jsp/servlet specs) to something that defines 
interactions more concretely. Our current frustrations include form 
handling, page transitions, forwarding, etc.

Regards,
Kaleb

-Original Message-
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:44 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JSF - Shale transition

Moving from Struts to JSF is moving to a more defined framework?
That is pretty difficult to grasp.  Could you explain?



On 9/6/05, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 9/6/05, Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey all,

As I had mentioned in a previous post, our team is looking to move

towards a more well defined web framework. From my limited 
experience using Shale (ran the shale-use-cases) I'm not feeling 
very confident that we could use it *right away*.

I wanted to ask for opinions on what would be a gradual step for us

to take towards the Shale framework (once it's stable enough to

use in a production environment). For example, would JSF + Spring 
be a good combo that would make for an easy transition to Shale?
Struts +

WebFlow + Spring? Etc..

Do the aforementioned framework combinations even matter? Will 
Shale

just add another layer on top or glue together with what we would 
have already developed? Although I've been reading up on Shale 
quite

a bit, my understanding is still limited so please excuse me if 
these questions are easily found through already documented

sources.

If they are, please share where they can be found :)



The key to choosing a transition approach is what you want to use 
for the front controller part of your architecture durng the 
interim. If

you're starting from Struts, a straightforward path would be to use 
the integration library to start switching your pages to using JSF 
components instead of Struts HTML tags (without having to modify 
your actions), followed by a migration of the back-end logic to 
using JSF's

front controller and request processing lifecycle.

If, on the other hand, you decide to commit to JSF's controller 
early rather than late, you might as well just use Shale along with 
it from the beginning. Unlike the way that other frameworks deal 
with JSF, Shale
*assumes* you will be using the JSF controller architecture, and it 
just adds ease of use around problems you'll face anyway. It doesn't

try to treat JSF as purely a component architecture.

Craig McClanahan

Regards,

Kaleb
 
 
 
 
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RE: JSF - Shale transition

2005-09-08 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
We're wanting to go from our home-brewed method of interaction using
jsps and servlets that are not very consistent in their expression
(other than the general jsp/servlet specs) to something that defines
interactions more concretely. Our current frustrations include form
handling, page transitions, forwarding, etc.

Regards,
Kaleb

-Original Message-
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:44 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JSF - Shale transition

Moving from Struts to JSF is moving to a more defined framework? 
That is pretty difficult to grasp.  Could you explain?



On 9/6/05, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 9/6/05, Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey all,
 
  As I had mentioned in a previous post, our team is looking to move 
  towards a more well defined web framework. From my limited 
  experience using Shale (ran the shale-use-cases) I'm not feeling 
  very confident that we could use it *right away*.
 
  I wanted to ask for opinions on what would be a gradual step for us 
  to take towards the Shale framework (once it's stable enough to use 
  in a production environment). For example, would JSF + Spring be a 
  good combo that would make for an easy transition to Shale? Struts +

  WebFlow + Spring? Etc..
 
  Do the aforementioned framework combinations even matter? Will Shale

  just add another layer on top or glue together with what we would 
  have already developed? Although I've been reading up on Shale quite

  a bit, my understanding is still limited so please excuse me if 
  these questions are easily found through already documented sources.

  If they are, please share where they can be found :)
 
 
 
 The key to choosing a transition approach is what you want to use for 
 the front controller part of your architecture durng the interim. If

 you're starting from Struts, a straightforward path would be to use 
 the integration library to start switching your pages to using JSF 
 components instead of Struts HTML tags (without having to modify your 
 actions), followed by a migration of the back-end logic to using JSF's

 front controller and request processing lifecycle.
 
 If, on the other hand, you decide to commit to JSF's controller early 
 rather than late, you might as well just use Shale along with it from 
 the beginning. Unlike the way that other frameworks deal with JSF, 
 Shale
 *assumes* you will be using the JSF controller architecture, and it 
 just adds ease of use around problems you'll face anyway. It doesn't 
 try to treat JSF as purely a component architecture.
 
 Craig McClanahan
 
 Regards,
  Kaleb
 
  
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JSF - Shale transition

2005-09-06 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
Hey all,

As I had mentioned in a previous post, our team is looking to move
towards a more well defined web framework. From my limited experience
using Shale (ran the shale-use-cases) I'm not feeling very confident
that we could use it *right away*. 

I wanted to ask for opinions on what would be a gradual step for us to
take towards the Shale framework (once it's stable enough to use in a
production environment). For example, would JSF + Spring be a good combo
that would make for an easy transition to Shale? Struts + WebFlow +
Spring? Etc.. 

Do the aforementioned framework combinations even matter? Will Shale
just add another layer on top or glue together with what we would have
already developed? Although I've been reading up on Shale quite a bit,
my understanding is still limited so please excuse me if these questions
are easily found through already documented sources. If they are, please
share where they can be found :)

Regards,
Kaleb

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RE: [Shale] Shale with Tiles web app example - was CSS not working with JSF

2005-08-26 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
Geeta,

I'd like to get your app up and running, although, I'm having trouble. I
keep getting Assertion Failed errors when trying to get to index.faces
or index.jsp. Any ideas? :)

Thanks!

Regards,
Kaleb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:54 AM
To: Rick Reumann
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Shale] Shale with Tiles web app example - was CSS not
working with JSF

Sure thing. I would love to work with you and come up with something
useful. I too am currently working on a web app which would demo Shark
(the open source workflow engine). I already had written it using
Struts, but now am attempting to rewrite that using Shale.  Not sure how
much success I will have plus may not be of that much interest to the
community at large.. I think a simple CRUD app like you are working on
will be more useful. So let me know if I can help..:)

Geeta

Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/26/2005 11:45:53 AM:

 Cool thanks so much! Probably together we can come up with some good 
 stuff. I'm going to work on a simple CRUD app for demo purposes and
I'll 

 end up using tiles also so your app will help me. Thanks again.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following on 8/26/2005 11:33 AM:
  
  Hi Rick, bjester, anyone else who's interested:
  
  As promised, I have uploaded a very trivial app which integrates
Shale 

  and Tiles using the new code which David Geary committed a couple of

  days back (btw, I built the jars here using the source from a couple

of 
  days back.. so am not sure if they are different from what's
available 

  now..):
  
  http://www.sightsoftware.com/shale/
  
  Please note that I am a complete newbie at this whole Shale thing so

it 
  is perhaps best not to learn any Shale using this app..:)
  
  Also, you will doubtless find better ways of doing almost everything

  I've done.  All comments and suggestions will be gratefully
received.
  
  Thanks!
  Geeta
 
 
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RE: [Shale] Shale with Tiles web app example - was CSS not working with JSF

2005-08-26 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
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at
com.sun.faces.lifecycle.LifecycleImpl.phase(LifecycleImpl.java:200)
at
com.sun.faces.lifecycle.LifecycleImpl.render(LifecycleImpl.java:117)
at
javax.faces.webapp.FacesServlet.service(FacesServlet.java:198)
at
com.caucho.server.dispatch.ServletFilterChain.doFilter(ServletFilterChai
n.java:99)
at
org.apache.shale.faces.ShaleApplicationFilter.doFilter(ShaleApplicationF
ilter.java:280)
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com.caucho.server.dispatch.FilterFilterChain.doFilter(FilterFilterChain.
java:70)
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va:163)
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ava:208)
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com.caucho.server.hmux.HmuxRequest.handleRequest(HmuxRequest.java:388)
at
com.caucho.server.port.TcpConnection.run(TcpConnection.java:341)
at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.runTasks(ThreadPool.java:467)
at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:408)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:51 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Shale] Shale with Tiles web app example - was CSS not
working with JSF

Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/26/2005
12:48:16 PM:

 Geeta,
 
 I'd like to get your app up and running, although, I'm having trouble.

 I keep getting Assertion Failed errors when trying to get to 
 index.faces or index.jsp. Any ideas? :)
 

Could you post the stack trace? I know I hav eseen that error before,
but can't remeber how I solved it.

 Thanks!
 
 Regards,
 Kaleb

Geeta

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RE: [Shale] Shale with Tiles web app example - was CSS not working with JSF

2005-08-26 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
Nope - downloaded and deployed. 

One note though - I'm using Resin 3.0.12 rather than Tomcat.

Don't worry about it not working for me - I realize it was a quick test
implementation. I'm just trying to learn like the rest of you :)

Regards,
Kaleb 

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [Shale] Shale with Tiles web app example - was CSS not
working with JSF

Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/26/2005
12:54:19 PM:

 javax.faces.FacesException: Assertion Failed
at com.sun.faces.util.Util.doAssert(Util.java:1302)
at

com.sun.faces.taglib.jsf_core.ViewTag.getComponentType(ViewTag.java:241)
at
 javax.faces.webapp.UIComponentTag.createComponent(UIComponentTag.java:
 10
 13)
at

javax.faces.webapp.UIComponentTag.createChild(UIComponentTag.java:1036)
at

javax.faces.webapp.UIComponentTag.findComponent(UIComponentTag.java:749)
at
 javax.faces.webapp.UIComponentTag.doStartTag(UIComponentTag.java:429)
at
 com.sun.faces.taglib.jsf_core.ViewTag.doStartTag(ViewTag.java:105)
at _jsp._layout._layout__jsp._jspService(layout/layout.jsp:7)


Hmm.. Not that illuminating to me, it isn't!... My version of
layout/layout.jsp:7 just says f:view so I am not sure why that would
be a problem.. I have currently hosed my application entirely (:( so am
in a bit of a mess myself, so am not sure how I can help. Sorry!
Hopefully somebody will tell us what this error means..?

Btw, you didn't change anything in the war you downloaded, right? ..just
grasping for straws here..
Geeta 


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RE: Shale/JSF/Java posts

2005-08-25 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
I'd have to respectfully disagree - it doesn't belong as a subproject
under MyFaces as it encapsulates and integrates MyFaces along with other
prominent frameworks. If anything it will eventually deserve its own
Apache project.

Regards,
Kaleb

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From: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:34 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Shale/JSF/Java posts

From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I just need to clarify one detail ... Shale is a Struts sub-project, 
 so such questions *are* on topic for this list.  Prefixing the subject

 with [shale] is certainly appropriate, just like prefixing a Tiles 
 question with [tiles] would be.

Although I'm interested in Shale and JSF (MyFaces), I no longer think
Shale should be a sub-project under Struts.  I feel it belongs as a
sub-project under the Apache MyFaces top-level project now that MyFaces
is part of the Apache family.  Struts-Faces still has a place on this
list but I really don't think Shale belongs here anymore.

Do I need to take this opinion to the MyFaces and Struts developer lists
rather than here?

-David, due back in 4+ hours to read any storm of replies

P.S. Yes, I do subscribe to the Myfaces User List.


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[SHALE] Are we there yet?

2005-08-25 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
A similar question has been asked once since I joined this list - so I
apologize in advance if this question has been asked numerous times
before.
 
A colleague of mine and I are researching Shale for potential use in a
production environment. Our timeline is pretty open - we're looking to
implement some set of frameworks within the next year or so. Shale
piqued our interest as it integrated and supported many of the
frameworks we are looking to introduce (Spring, Spring WebFlow, JSF,
JUnit tests, validation, etc). 
 
I actually have a few questions:
 
1) Is Shale development still at full tilt, or has it weaned in leiu of
Java conferences coming to an end or not as much developer time
available?
2) I've been actively following the development of Shale for the past
few months and haven't found many news updates recently (hopefully that
means the developers are busy developing and have no time to post
updates). Are there any other more frequently updated resources that I
may not be aware of? I currently check the Shale Wiki, David Geary's
Blog, Craig's Blog, struts.apache.org and general googling.
3) When's the next big regurgitation of code into the trunk ? :)
 
What I have read and seen (just yesterday we built and brought up the
use-cases under Resin 3.0.12) I have been very excited about. Although I
noticed a bug right off the bat (probably the state bug related to the
ViewController as outlined in the wiki), I'm still very interested in
using this framework for our product.
 
I think the Shale framework is very promising and I applaud the speed in
which it has gone from conceptual to tangible. My only fear is that
we'll need to move to a new set of frameworks before Shale becomes
dependable for production use :). 
 
Thanks!
 
Regards,
Kaleb Walton


RE: [SHALE] Are we there yet?

2005-08-25 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
Just subscribed to dev list which should also help me to develop a
conception of the speed of development.

I would assume I was talking about 35066 since it was related to the
dialog state. In my usual trial/error testing I removed an h:outputText
tag and replaced it with some straight text and it spat out an error (if
you want the stacktrace I can bring up my box and provide it to you). I
had to restart resin to be able to continue my poking :).

Regarding the statuses within the JavaDocs - excuse me if I am
misunderstanding something simple - from what I gather, I should be
weary of heavily developing with anything that isn't in Evolving+ state
as there might be backwards-incompatible changes?

Thanks again for the speedy response!

Regards,
Kaleb
 

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From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:11 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SHALE] Are we there yet?

On 8/25/05, Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A similar question has been asked once since I joined this list - so I

 apologize in advance if this question has been asked numerous times 
 before.
 
 A colleague of mine and I are researching Shale for potential use in a

 production environment. Our timeline is pretty open - we're looking to

 implement some set of frameworks within the next year or so. Shale 
 piqued our interest as it integrated and supported many of the 
 frameworks we are looking to introduce (Spring, Spring WebFlow, JSF, 
 JUnit tests, validation, etc).
 
 I actually have a few questions:
 
 1) Is Shale development still at full tilt, or has it weaned in leiu 
 of Java conferences coming to an end or not as much developer time 
 available?

It proceeds apace, subject (as with all open source efforts) to vagaries
of day job schedules and travel.  There's a roadmap for a 1.0 milestone
release posted on the Wiki:

  http://wiki.apache.org/struts/ShaleRelease100

which I see needs to be updated ... Gary just checked in fixes for a
bunch of the Clay issues last night (part of the delay was waiting for
his new committer capabilities to be set up on the ASF infrastructure).

 2) I've been actively following the development of Shale for the past 
 few months and haven't found many news updates recently (hopefully 
 that means the developers are busy developing and have no time to post

 updates). Are there any other more frequently updated resources that I

 may not be aware of? I currently check the Shale Wiki, David Geary's 
 Blog, Craig's Blog, struts.apache.org and general googling.

You'll see blog entries occasionally, but the best way to keep track of
what's going on is actually to subscribe to the Struts developer list
(to subscribe send an empty message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) and watch the SVN commit messages and
Shale-related Bugzilla updates that go by.

 3) When's the next big regurgitation of code into the trunk ? :)
 
 What I have read and seen (just yesterday we built and brought up the 
 use-cases under Resin 3.0.12) I have been very excited about. Although

 I noticed a bug right off the bat (probably the state bug related to 
 the ViewController as outlined in the wiki), I'm still very interested

 in using this framework for our product.

Are you talking about issue 35066?  If not, which one?

For 35066 in particular, I'm thinking that we should defer that to a
1.0.1 milestone, because pretty much everything else has been taken care
of.

 
 I think the Shale framework is very promising and I applaud the speed 
 in which it has gone from conceptual to tangible. My only fear is that

 we'll need to move to a new set of frameworks before Shale becomes 
 dependable for production use :).

Regarding the API stability of the various packages, you'll definitely
want to go to the Core Library javadocs:

  http://people.apache.org/~craigmcc/shale-core-javadocs/  

and scroll down to the API Package Target Audiences and Stability
Ratings section.  Application developers should use only the APIs in
packages targeted to Developer, and the table lists the projected
stability of the APIs.  For instance, the view controller stuff is
marked Evolving, which means we're paying attention to backwards
compatibility (for that package) even before a General Availability
release.


 
 Thanks!
 
 Regards,
 Kaleb Walton
 
 
Craig

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Tiles standalone implementation

2005-08-24 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
I'm in the process of building the Shale trunk and have one dependency
left to resolve. The build.properties calls for a build of the Tiles
standalone distribution. I have found what seems to be a Tiles distro
but cannot seem to build it without the Struts 1.3.0 core libraries
(which I cannot find anywhere on apache.org). Can anyone lead me in the
right direction? If I'm leaving something crucial out in order to
properly get help, please let me know. Thanks!
 
Regards,
Kaleb


RE: Tiles standalone implementation

2005-08-24 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
Thanks! I must have been looking around in all the wrong places ;) 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:07 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Tiles standalone implementation

Ah I think I actually found this ..  Here it is:

http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/sandbox/tiles-core/ 

Regards,
Geeta

Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/24/2005
10:02:10 AM:

 I'm in the process of building the Shale trunk and have one dependency

 left to resolve. The build.properties calls for a build of the Tiles 
 standalone distribution. I have found what seems to be a Tiles distro 
 but cannot seem to build it without the Struts 1.3.0 core libraries 
 (which I cannot find anywhere on apache.org). Can anyone lead me in 
 the right direction? If I'm leaving something crucial out in order to 
 properly get help, please let me know. Thanks!
 
 Regards,
 Kaleb
 
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RE: Problem With NOT EMPTY Using the c:when ... Tag

2005-08-24 Thread Walton, Kaleb \(ISS Southfield\)
I may be mistaken with the version of EL you're using, but I use syntax
such as:

${!empty logRows} 

Less typing and its easier on the eyes ;-)

Regards,
Kaleb

-Original Message-
From: Rahul Akolkar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:29 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Problem With NOT EMPTY Using the c:when ... Tag

On 8/24/05, Caroline Jen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I use the NOT EMPTY to do the testing. I have
snip/
 javax.servlet.jsp.JspException: An error occurred while evaluating 
 custom action attribute test with value ${NOT EMPTY log
 Rows}: Encountered EMPTY, expected one of [},
snap/

Keywords, in many languages, including JSP 2.0 EL are case sensitive.

Questions purely about JSTL or EL are better addressed to
taglibs-user@jakarta.apache.org

-Rahul

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