RE: how to setup/enable/disable AQR

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Hi Ming,

  Yes use the Cqd  AUTO_QUERY_RETRY and set it  to 'OFF'.
If you want to disable it completely set it in the defaults table. 

Sandhya

-Original Message-
From: Liu, Ming (Ming) [mailto:ming@esgyn.cn] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:36 PM
To: d...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org; user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: how to setup/enable/disable AQR

Hi, all,

I want to disable AQR in Trafodion , is this possible? Or how should I disable 
AQR for specific SQL error?

Thanks,
Ming

RE: How to deal with SQL 10007

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

You need to configure more space  for the scratch file overflow.
The upsert operation needs to perform a sort that is pretty  large so it is 
overflowing to temp space but there isn’t enough space on the /tmp disk.
In Trafodion 2.1 we have support for a CQD which makes it easy to override the 
env settings.

Since you’re based on 2.0 , what you can do is configure more space for scratch 
space by changing the envvar setting but you’ll need to restart trafodion.
Either you can assign one large disk instead of /tmp or else specifiy a list of 
disks so the sort has more space to overflow suring execution. These changes 
need to be made on everynode and permissions set correctly.

Steps :

· Create directories under every mounted disk on every single node 
using a command similar to this

omkdir -p /stfs_overflow


· Make sure the new directories are owned by the trafodion user for 
read/write access

ochown trafodion: /stfs_overflow


· Edit $MY_SQROOT/etc/ms.env on each node

o
STFS_HDD_LOCATION=/stfs_overflow:/stfs_overflow:/stfs_overflow


· Stop and start Trafodion.

Sandhya

From: Liu, Yuan (Yuan) [mailto:yuan@esgyn.cn]
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:18 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: 答复: How to deal with SQL 10007

Hi Sandhya,

Thanks for your response, it is based on Trafodion 2.0, so why caused this 
issue and is there any way to solve this?


Best regards,
Yuan
Email: yuan@esgyn.cn<mailto:yuan@esgyn.cn>
Cellphone: (+86) 13671935540

发件人: Sandhya Sundaresan [mailto:sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com]
发送时间: 2017年4月17日 12:13
收件人: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: RE: How to deal with SQL 10007

Hi,
Error 28 means  it has run out of space on /tmp.
  Which version of Trafodion are you using ?
Thanks
Sandhya

From: Liu, Yuan (Yuan) [mailto:yuan@esgyn.cn]
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 7:39 PM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: How to deal with SQL 10007

Hi trafodioners,

When I executed “upsert using load into …”, I encountered the SQL 10007 error 
as below,

*** ERROR[10007] Sort failed while writing to a scratch file with error 28. 
Details: SQScratchFile::executeVectorIO [2017-04-15 10:52:34]

My current STFS_HDD_LOCATION is $MY_SQROOT/tmp set in ms.env.

Can anyone help on how to solve this issue?


Best regards,
Yuan
Email: yuan@esgyn.cn<mailto:yuan@esgyn.cn>
Cellphone: (+86) 13671935540

RE: How to deal with SQL 10007

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Hi,
Error 28 means  it has run out of space on /tmp.
  Which version of Trafodion are you using ?
Thanks
Sandhya

From: Liu, Yuan (Yuan) [mailto:yuan@esgyn.cn]
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 7:39 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: How to deal with SQL 10007

Hi trafodioners,

When I executed "upsert using load into ...", I encountered the SQL 10007 error 
as below,

*** ERROR[10007] Sort failed while writing to a scratch file with error 28. 
Details: SQScratchFile::executeVectorIO [2017-04-15 10:52:34]

My current STFS_HDD_LOCATION is $MY_SQROOT/tmp set in ms.env.

Can anyone help on how to solve this issue?


Best regards,
Yuan
Email: yuan@esgyn.cn
Cellphone: (+86) 13671935540

RE: issue wtih foreign keys

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Hi,
FYI - I will be staging a 2.1 version of Trafodion in a couple of days to the 
dev staging site. Not quite ready for today - most likely Monday. 2.1 version 
has 300+ fixes.
Sandhya

From: Qifan Chen [mailto:qifan.c...@esgyn.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: issue wtih foreign keys


Hi Dave and Eric,



I wonder if providing Mathieu with the latest Trafodion is an option.



I did not recall similar bugs in this area.



Thanks --Qifan


From: Dave Birdsall mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:33:21 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: issue wtih foreign keys

So, evidently this is a bug that has been fixed?

I wonder if we can find a JIRA reference.

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:55 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: issue wtih foreign keys

With trafci on latest of esgynDB (derivative of trafodion), both with 
autocommit on or off, this set of create table work fine.
Eric

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:33 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: issue wtih foreign keys

Hi Eric & Mathieu,

I tried Mathieu's three CREATE statements in sqlci twice, once with autocommit 
on and (after dropping the tables) once with autocommit off, and it worked both 
times for me. But that's on the latest Trafodion (master branch).

I haven't tried it in trafci... maybe the behavior is different?

Dave

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:25 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: issue wtih foreign keys

Are you saying that autocommit is off, and you are executing the 3 ddl 
statement then manual commit? Then you see  the issue?
Or autocommit is on, and you see the issue?
When you perform the same ddl operation using command line with sqlci, you see 
no problem right?
Eric

From: mathieu ferlay [mailto:mfer...@gnubila.fr]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 9:46 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: issue wtih foreign keys

Hi again,
I don't know if explain my process will help but maybe:
try (Connection connection = DriverManager.getConnection(dbUrl, dbUser, 
dbPwd);
BufferedReader reader = new BufferedReader(
new FileReader("create-tables.sql"));) {
 ScriptRunner runner = new ScriptRunner(connection, false, true);
  runner.runScript(reader);
  connection.close();
} catch (Exception e) {
  e.printStackTrace();
  throw e;
}

In the sql file, I have all my requests to create all my tables and the script 
runner execute one statement by request.
I  start to think that's due to the autocommit and so by consequence the 
"database" access.

Regards,
Mathieu

De : mathieu ferlay [mailto:mfer...@gnubila.fr]
Envoyé : jeudi 16 mars 2017 15:02
À : 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Objet : RE: issue wtih foreign keys

Hi,
I have change my request by using alter table do it but I still have some 
"lost" of process. It's look like an infinite loop inside the execute statement.
I don't know what it could causes that.

Regards,
Mathieu

De : mathieu ferlay [mailto:mfer...@gnubila.fr]
Envoyé : jeudi 16 mars 2017 10:05
À : 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Objet : issue wtih foreign keys

Hi, i'll try to create the following table C. I assume that tables A & B are 
executed before C.  But when I try to execute the statement for the table C, 
the process nerver back from the statement.execute(request). Furthermore, I 
obtain also the following trace when I force the commit with 
connection.commit();
' (line 120): *** ERROR[8838] Unable to receive reply from Compiler, possibly 
caused by internal errors when compiling SQL statements, processing DDL 
statements, or executing the builtin stored procedures. [2017-03-16 09:02:56]
Could you tell me which kind of reasons could provoked it.



CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS A (
  AID VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE DEFAULT  NOT NULL,
  Description  VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE DEFAULT  NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY(AID)
)

CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS B (
  Name VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE DEFAULT NOT NULL,
  FirstName VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE DEFAULT NOT NULL,
  BID VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE DEFAULT NOT NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY(BID)
)



CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS C (
  BID VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE DEFAULT NOT NULL,
  AID VARCHAR(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE DEFAULT NOT NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY(AID,BID),
  FOREIGN KEY(AI

RE: where can I find trafodion server installation guide.

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Hi,
Try this one. It has a section on installation :
http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org/docs/provisioning_guide/index.html

Thanks
Sandhya

From: 苏锦佩 [mailto:873118...@qq.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:51 PM
To: user 
Subject: where can I find trafodion server installation guide.

Hi,

  I try to find trafodion server installation guide in 
http://trafodion.apache.org/quickstart.html and 
http://trafodion.apache.org/documentation.html, but seems no the installation 
guide in both link. Can anyone call tell me where can I find the installation 
guide.

Best Regards!
Su

RE: Best practice to store video and audio files

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Hi,

For the audio/video files themselves, we have 2 options when we nsert
them into a blob column.

1.   They could be stored in our internally maintained hdfs location
(/lobs) which is Trafodion’s  managed storage.

2.   If the user wants the audio/video files left as is in the location
where they want,  we have support for external lobs where we can take the
full path to the location of the file and store the handle and some
metadata information of the external lob withink our Trafodion table. We
won’t import that audio/video file in our /lobs storage in this case.

So we have functions to perform  inserts and extracts of botht he above
types.

Sandhya



*From:* Anoop Sharma [mailto:anoop.sha...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2016 7:09 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Best practice to store video and audio files



hi

  storing it in trafodion ‘blob’ column will be the best way to do this.

Traf will internally store a ‘handle’ as part of the stored row. Actual data

will be stored in HDFS. ‘handle’ contains information on how to access that

data (path, offset, etc).



  blob/clob support is in tech preview right now and not fully externalized.



anoop



*From:* Yang, Yang (Felix) [mailto:yang.y...@esgyn.cn ]
*Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:56 AM
*To:* u...@trafodion.apache.org
*Subject:* Best practice to store video and audio files



Hi there,



What’s the most recommended way to manage small video and audio files?

Is our BLOB good to store something like a 30-sec low-sample-rate audio,
like 1MB in size?

Or, should we store the path in Trafodion and leave the A/V file in HDFS?



Best,
Felix

RE: Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Most likely looks like Trafodion 2.1.

Thanks

Sandhya



*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:27 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns



When is this planned? I'm asking since there are a couple of chapters in
the upcoming JDBC T4 Guide that discuss LOB support.



On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Yes – exactly. I have made most of them actually and will hold on until
it’s ready to get enabled by default.

Thanks

Sandhya



*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:12 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns



Thanks Sandhya. I assume that the how-to is part of the upcoming changes to
the SQL Reference Manual for BLOB/CLOB support?

Gunnar



On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Hi Gunnar,

   It isn’t turned on by default in the code yet needs more testing/usage.
You need to set a couple of CQDs to enable. If you create a table without
setting the CQD you will get  large varchar column instead.



Take a look at the document attached  in this JIRA for some details :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRAFODION-1473



And for simple examples on how to turn on the CQD and create , insert,and
extract take a look at core/sql/regress/executor/TEST130 for several
examples.



Thanks

Sandhya



*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:58 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns



How do I create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns?



-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Yes – exactly. I have made most of them actually and will hold on until
it’s ready to get enabled by default.

Thanks

Sandhya



*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:12 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns



Thanks Sandhya. I assume that the how-to is part of the upcoming changes to
the SQL Reference Manual for BLOB/CLOB support?

Gunnar



On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Hi Gunnar,

   It isn’t turned on by default in the code yet needs more testing/usage.
You need to set a couple of CQDs to enable. If you create a table without
setting the CQD you will get  large varchar column instead.



Take a look at the document attached  in this JIRA for some details :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRAFODION-1473



And for simple examples on how to turn on the CQD and create , insert,and
extract take a look at core/sql/regress/executor/TEST130 for several
examples.



Thanks

Sandhya



*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:58 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns



How do I create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns?



-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Hi Gunnar,

   It isn’t turned on by default in the code yet needs more testing/usage.
You need to set a couple of CQDs to enable. If you create a table without
setting the CQD you will get  large varchar column instead.



Take a look at the document attached  in this JIRA for some details :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRAFODION-1473



And for simple examples on how to turn on the CQD and create , insert,and
extract take a look at core/sql/regress/executor/TEST130 for several
examples.



Thanks

Sandhya



*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:58 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns



How do I create a table with BLOB or CLOB columns?



-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: [VOTE] Apache Trafodion Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

+1 for 13



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:25 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Apache Trafodion Logo Proposal



+1 for 13


Hans



On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

+1 for 13.



On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Roberta Marton 
wrote:

+1 for 13



   Roberta



*From:* Roberta Marton [mailto:roberta.mar...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:02 PM
*To:* 'user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org' <
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
*Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Trafodion Logo Proposal



There has been quite a lot of discussion on our user list regarding the
proposed Apache Trafodion logos.

It has now come time for a formal vote on the two most popular logos fondly
known as  4g and 13.

Both have been attached for your reference



Please respond as follows:



[ ] +1-4g approve option 4g

[ ] +1-13 approve option 13

[ ] +0 no opinion

[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)



The vote will be open for 72 hours.



   Regards,

   Roberta Marton







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: how to use BLOB/CLOB in Trafodion?

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Hi Ming,

 You can insert data directly from a file. But since the feature is
still under testing, you need to set the following CQDs to enble the
feature :

cqd traf_blob_as_varchar 'OFF';

cqd traf_clob_as_varchar 'OFF';



Your file can be a local file or an hdfs file on the system.

Here are a couple of simple examples. You can look at
*core/sql/regress/executor/TEST130* for more comprehensive examples :

For a local file :



create table tlobh3 (c1 int not null, c2 blob, primary key (c1));

insert into tlobh3 values (1, filetolob('/home/sandhyasun/afile'));



For an hdfs file, you need to provide the following syntax :



insert into tlobh3 values (1, filetolob('hdfs:///mydata/c1.txt'));



Sandhya

*From:* Liu, Ming (Ming) [mailto:ming@esgyn.cn]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:34 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* how to use BLOB/CLOB in Trafodion?



Hi, all,



I am interested about how can a user use BLOB/CLOB in Trafodion?

I see usage of stringtolob() and lobtostring() like this:



insert into tbl values(1,stringtolob('clob values'));

select lobtostring(c2,10) from tbl;



This is fine if I have not too long string, but if I have a big text file
and want to insert the whole text file into a CLOB column, how can I do
that?



Thanks,

Ming

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

te:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Qifan Chen 
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit  wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Gunnar Tapper 
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug  wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt  wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  

RE: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Nope. We just need more choices to vote. We have to definitely keep option
4 on the list.  It’s still the most popular so far . Then lets see if it
continues to be the most popular after the variations suggested by others.

No we cannot vote on individual attributes – the whole package may look
different !



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit  wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Qifan Chen 
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit  wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Gunnar Tapper 
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug  wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like th

RE: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt  wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack  wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo  wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Ho

RE: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

I am not able to paste it here and preserve the font. But on the website,
http://trafodion.apache.org/,  the Trafodion on the top left upper corner
in red has a lowercase font with the ‘F’ going down. We could try that to
see if it looks better than 4 which is already pretty close/popular.



Sandhya



*From:* Atanu Mishra [mailto:atanumis...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:06 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



I like Hans' suggestion for lower-case letters for Trafodion. Both options
were better than the previous, but not quite there. Getting close.



Regards,

Atanu



Atanu Mishra



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Eric Owhadi  wrote:

+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt  wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack  wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

-------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo  wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some

RE: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

+1 for Option 4.



*From:* Sean Broeder [mailto:sean.broe...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:54 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for option 4



*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:53 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Love option 4



+ <3



Nice work!



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Ken Holt  wrote:

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt  wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack  wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

-------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo  wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “T

RE: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt  wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack  wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo  wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran

RE: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

+1 on  reduced size of the dragon. The Trafodion writing needs to be at a
closer scale to the Dragon  sort of like it is on the Apache Hadoop website
for Hadoop logo and the elephant. It will make the writing standout more.





*From:* Venkat Muthuswamy [mailto:venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:33 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 on the logo. I tried a reduced size and it still rendered nicely !



I agree with the others on the font. We need a simple font that make the
product name stand out. Maybe use the same font as the “APACHE” but in
different color ?



Venkat



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken

RE: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo  wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran

RE: Apache Trafodion release 1.2.0

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

 RE: Apache Trafodion release 1.2.0

Hi,

 I retrieved the earlier  message exchange and the logo . Here it is :
*http://1drv.ms/1IISe0L* 

---

   Hi everyone!

This is Steph.  I've been having some connectivity and
synchronization problems with my Outlook.com email address
for some reason
so I think I'm going to have to use this account which I
normally use for
my creative works.

I wanted to say THANK YOU all very much for the feedback and
Rohit, when I get back home from work, I will add in the
tongue and fire
and then share the results as soon as I can.  :) Later if
desired, I can
finalize the drawing, clean it up, and optimize it for use
on the web or
possibly elsewhere. Currently, I have a scanned 300dpi
version as well as
the scaled down version that I shared earlier.

Take care and thanks again!~ Aith

> From: rohit.j...@esgyn.com

> To: d...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org;
its.stepha...@outlook.com

> Subject: Fw: Anyone working on putting up a website at
trafodion.incubator.apache.org and

> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:25:44 +

>

> Hi Steph,

>

>

> Really cool logo!  It seems to be a kindler, gentler, version
of the Welsh dragon.  You need that tongue sticking out 😊 and
maybe a bit of fire 😊.  We need a bit of a fire around
Trafodion and have it spread 😊.

>

>

> Rohit

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- Forwarded message --

> From: Moran, Amanda 

> Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:24 PM

> Subject: RE: Anyone working on putting up a website at
trafodion.incubator.apache.org and

> To: "d...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org"

> 

>

>

> So cool!

>

> THANK YOU!

>

> I really like the fancy "t"!

>

>

> Amanda Kay

> Moran

>

> -Original Message-

> From: S C [mailto:its.stepha...@outlook.com
]

> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:04 AM

> To: d...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

> Subject: Re: Anyone working on putting up a website at
trafodion.incubator.apache.org and

>

>

>

> Hi there everyone!

> This is going to seem a bit random, but I heard about the
Trafodion project and I thought it was really kind of cool
how the name
'Trafodion' got chosen (Welsh in origin and meaning
transaction) and
thought that it might be fun to try and design a logo and
then share it.

> http://1drv.ms/1IISe0L

> I drew this in the spirit of the Welsh dragon curled in the
shape of the letter T written in script/cursive with the
horn on its
head/face and the pointed end of its tail pointing in two opposing
directions alike the cycle of a transaction.

> It can be a standalone logo or it can be paired with
lettering (either handdrawn or typed, it doesn't matter,
the lettering was
done to sort of give a possible idea on what it might look
like with
lettering of some sort) or whatever.

> Either way, it was a lot of fun to draw and if you like it,
please let me know and I absolutely welcome feedback.

> Sending a Dragon along the way,Steph




-Original Message-
From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com
]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:03 PM
To: d...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org; user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Apache Trafodion release 1.2.0

Hi,

I dimly remember that very early in our incubation, a contributor did
contribute a suggested logo. Would have to dig through the e-mail archives
to find it but it is likely very early.

Dave

-Original Message-

From: Roberta Marton [mailto:roberta.mar...@esgyn.com
]

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:56 PM

To: d...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org; user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Subject: Apache Trafodion release 1.2.0

The first Apache Trafodion release, release 1.2.0, is  scheduled for
distribution shortly. The Apache Trafodion team will be sending out notices
periodically as we work through the process.  Any messages directly related
to the release process will contain Apache Trafodion 1.2.0 in its subject
line.


As Trafodion works to do its first Apache releas