Re: boating

[studio]

> Sounds like Quebec could absorb another foreigner or two than.
> Frank Bueters 

... ya , if only they would head for the virgin bush ! Instead 
they head straight for the biggest cities which are already a
bit more that just overcrowded .

  Sorry if the reality of the situation is nowhere near as
simple a situation as you have envisioned , Frank .

Nice ship .

Garry  

Re: no wiki problem

[studio]

> However, since you've commented about the lack of mailing list 
> archives, I offer you my archive.  It goes back 3-4 years and includes 
> all attachments.  I might have lost one or two posts due to past 
> computer hiccups.  If you're interested, email me off-list.
> Amir 

  Thanks for the offer , but I have a very elaborate archive
that goes way-way back to V3.x .

  I feel that I should put you straight , however . I wasn't
asking for help from anyone . I was suggesting that those with
advanced knowledge share it with the community .

  You and Jason are telling me how I should work hard and
learn , but I've known that for many years now .

   I wasn't suggesting that Jason create an advanced Gi
tutorial for me , I feel I have a very good grasp on RS3D
Gi now for the last 2 years .

  I was suggesting Jason share some of his project files ,
or at least create a project file that he could share , so
_THE REST_ of the community could begin to come to grips
wuth RS3D Gi .

  Somehow , you 2 percieve a tiny possibility that I am
asking for myself . If I was , I wouldn't attemp to shame
someone into finally sharing some concrete tutorials , of
course . 

  What I was actually trying to accomplish , was to once
again point out that the Realsoft3D community's success
hinges on selfless giving and sharing via HTML tutorials .

  Not by firing off emails while at work , or showing us
yet another awesome render .

Garry

Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?

[Zaug]

George Jenner wrote:
I use Mandriva quite happily.  Simple to set up.  Good francophone 
support if you need it.  Main problem is that Realsoft won't work with 
KDE (or Gnome?) using their default Window Managers.  All is well if 
you run it in IceWM (or use IceWM under KDE).
I run Enlightenment 16(beta) for my window manager, very lightweight, 
fast and has some great window options, like window shading, pager type 
windows that shade either left or right and other nice things. Also 
Enlightenment cooperates well with both Gnome and KDE applications. 
Enlightenment should be available under most major Linux distributions 
and has not ever seemed to be the cause of any issues with RS.


More problematic may be hardware issues.  My Dell wont work with 
Suse.  My Nvidia graphics cards are better supported and recommended 
by Realsoft.  My ADSL modem won't work with anything.  I'd choose a 
distribution for  hardware next time.
I have had little issues with hardware and as far as I know, the best 
reason to use NVidia under Linux is NVidia's Linux support; not quite up 
to the point of the Windows drivers but quite functional.  I have read 
of many troubles and much dissatisfaction concerning ATI cards and 
drivers under Linux. That said, I have no personal experience and have 
not heard tell of the driver  status lately; something I would advise 
anyone thinking of putting together a Linux to system to do before 
purchasing any hardware (hmm, isn't that what George said  ; )


I see now this isn't the linux list.  Will take the opportunity to say 
g'day.  Zaug I'm back down under and chained to a non-3d related desk, 
but when my computer comes out of quarantine (it's in a shipping 
container at Botany Bay waiting for me to find a place to live) I 
promise to  greeble you a city :-)



Greetingz George, I will both hold you to and be looking forward to it  : D

Zaug

--
My love of the  halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind.
<|8?o

Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?

[Russell Jones]

This is why Linux is not yet embraced 
by the mainstream: Large differences in supported features, hardware, etc. I'm 
surprised the Linux community hasn't established a minimum Linux standard that 
software manufacturers can write for...or maybe they have but no one knows about 
it? Something along the lines of MSX for the PC, which, although failed 
miserably to gain a user base (at least in the US), at least offered a 'minimum 
standard' for software companies to write for.
 
I'd like to see Linux succeed, but they 
have to do much better than they are.
 
Russell

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marc Michael 
  
  To: ShaddamIV 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:16 
  PM
  Subject: Re: What is the best LINUX 
  distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
  
  Hallo ShaddamIV,
  
  
  


  
>
  
What is the best LINUX distribution would  you 
recommand for realsoft?
 
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.neuroworld.ws
 
  
  I have installed Realsoft3D on SuSE and Debian. At work I've installed 
  Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Ubuntu is focussed on the graphical desktop 
  user. Very easy to install. You insert the CD, boot into the live system, play 
  around and then simply choose from the menu "Install on HD". Nice thing.
  
  In my experience Realsoft3D doesn't need special features of the 
  distribution. So, all Linux Distributions should work. There are three things 
  which needs further investment. First is the GUI library. RS3D need the 
  original Motif-Libs. As I installed it on a Debian Box, I simply copied the 
  binary lib from a SuSE Box. It simply works. An important point is the window 
  manager. RS3D uses extremely the left Alt-Key. But under X11, the left Alt-Key 
  is traditionaly used for manipulating windows. I use BlackBox. BlackBox has 
  the nice feature that I can simply press the Scroll-Lock-Key and the left 
  Alt-Key will be directly routed to the application. That's a nice feature. 
  Another point is the hardware-acceleration of OpenGL. There I have no 
  experience. Ati and Nvidia provide more or less closes source driver for their 
  cards. As I've heard, it's not so hard to install an Nvidia-Card.
  
  The best advise on which Linux-Distribution you should use is simply: Use 
  the distribution your friend uses.   ;-)
  
  -- 
  Viele Grüße,
  Yogi Marc Michael
  
  

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Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?

[Lee Elliott]

On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:01, ShaddamIV wrote:
> What is the best LINUX distribution would  you recommand for
> realsoft?
>
>
>
> Jean-Sebastien Perron
>
>   www.neuroworld.ws

Just to add to what Zaug, George and Marc said...

I have been using Debian 'unstable' but I'm in the process of 
moving back to 'stable' to make it easier to manage all my 
systems - it's difficult to test updates on unstable before 
rolling them out because there will have been new updates while 
I was testing the last lot.

Debian isn't an especially 'easy' linux distro for a 'newbie' but 
I've never been tempted to try any others - the way Debian does 
things just makes sense to me (for the most part ;)

I have two main workstations - one with an nVidia video card and 
one with an ATI and basically, the nVidia card has given me no 
problems at all while the ATI card has been a bit of a 
nightmare.  This is not just with RS3D but also with a couple of 
other OpenGL apps, the problems also being experienced by other 
users and developers.

Probably the best advice came from Marc "Use the distribution 
your friend uses"  ;)

LeeE

Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?

[Marc Michael]

Hallo ShaddamIV,




>


What is the best LINUX distribution would  you recommand for realsoft?
 
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.neuroworld.ws
 





I have installed Realsoft3D on SuSE and Debian. At work I've installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Ubuntu is focussed on the graphical desktop user. Very easy to install. You insert the CD, boot into the live system, play around and then simply choose from the menu "Install on HD". Nice thing.

In my experience Realsoft3D doesn't need special features of the distribution. So, all Linux Distributions should work. There are three things which needs further investment. First is the GUI library. RS3D need the original Motif-Libs. As I installed it on a Debian Box, I simply copied the binary lib from a SuSE Box. It simply works. An important point is the window manager. RS3D uses extremely the left Alt-Key. But under X11, the left Alt-Key is traditionaly used for manipulating windows. I use BlackBox. BlackBox has the nice feature that I can simply press the Scroll-Lock-Key and the left Alt-Key will be directly routed to the application. That's a nice feature. Another point is the hardware-acceleration of OpenGL. There I have no experience. Ati and Nvidia provide more or less closes source driver for their cards. As I've heard, it's not so hard to install an Nvidia-Card.

The best advise on which Linux-Distribution you should use is simply: Use the distribution your friend uses.   ;-)

-- 
Viele Grüße,
Yogi Marc Michael

Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?

[George Jenner]

I use Mandriva quite happily.  Simple to set up.  Good francophone support if you need it.  Main problem is that Realsoft won't work with KDE (or Gnome?) using their default Window Managers.  All is well if you run it in IceWM (or use IceWM under KDE).More problematic may be hardware issues.  My Dell wont work with Suse.  My Nvidea graphics cards are better supported and recommended by Realsoft.  My ADSL modem won't work with anything.  I'd choose a distribution for  hardware next time.I see now this isn't the linux list.  Will take the opportunity to say g'day.  Zaug I'm back down under and chained to a non-3d related desk, but when my computer comes out of quarantine (it's in a shipping container at Botany Bay waiting for me to find a place to live) I promise to  greeble you a city :-)GeorgeZaug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:efer to, are impressed with both it's versatility and it's stability.Also, if you did not know, there is a mailing list for registered RS Linux users; info is on the Linux software updates page. 
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Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?

[Zaug]

ShaddamIV wrote:


What is the best LINUX distribution would  you recommand for realsoft?

 


Jean-Sebastien Perron

www.neuroworld.ws 

 

I do not know that there is a best; several (three that I know of) of us 
are running Gentoo, http://www.gentoo.org, with pretty good luck. I hear 
there is a new quick way to install Gentoo but have not had experience 
with it. Gentoo is a bit more work than other Linux distributions, but I 
and the others I refer to, are impressed with both it's versatility and 
it's stability.
Also, if you did not know, there is a mailing list for registered RS 
Linux users; info is on the Linux software updates page.


Zaug

--
My love of the  halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind.
<|8?o

RE: Ok, OK I will do it, only because I can. was : no wiki problem

[Jean-Sebastien Perron]

Ok, that's nice. But, could we store 10meg video tutorial or else?

Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.neuroworld.ca


-Message d'origine-
De : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Matthias Kappenberg
Envoyé : Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:37 PM
À : user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Objet : Re: Ok, OK I will do it, only because I can. was : no wiki problem

 
>What if WIKI dissapear, Who is WIKI?

Why should it disappear?

Wiki is an OpenSource PHP Project.
The informations in the RS-Wiki has nothing to do
with the "wikipedia.org", they are stored not in the
same database, the RS-Wiki is running on another
server (1und1.de).
It's totally independent from other Wikis.

The Domain-Owner is:
Matthias Kappenberg
Gustav-Brandt-Str. 10
D-30173 Hannover
mail(at)the-dimension.com
(That's me)

Hope this is helpy,
Matthias

Re: Ok, OK I will do it, only because I can. was : no wiki problem

[Matthias Kappenberg]

 
>What if WIKI dissapear, Who is WIKI?

Why should it disappear?

Wiki is an OpenSource PHP Project.
The informations in the RS-Wiki has nothing to do
with the "wikipedia.org", they are stored not in the
same database, the RS-Wiki is running on another
server (1und1.de).
It's totally independent from other Wikis.

The Domain-Owner is:
Matthias Kappenberg
Gustav-Brandt-Str. 10
D-30173 Hannover
mail(at)the-dimension.com
(That's me)

Hope this is helpy,
Matthias

RE: Ok, OK I will do it, only because I can. was : no wiki problem

[ShaddamIV]

I don't have time to
understand how WIKI work, remember I am lazy and physicly sick.

 

It's better to host our own
tutorial and Robert can always link transparently to them. That way it is
easier to make changes.

 

My webstite capacity is 1
gig (there is no limit in fact). So forget WIKI.

 

I made an update yesterday
on my website www.neuroworld.ws There are some
errors with some links that will be corrected tonight.

And by the end of the
weekend, all the tutorial will be completed.

Please send me your
comments.

 

What if WIKI dissapear, Who
is WIKI?

 

Recently, I saw some
messages from WIKI in some of their pages telling the users to remove some
material because there was too much informations not related to an
encyclopedia.

 

Wiki is just an
encyclopedia, not a place to store informations.

I believe that sooner or
later they will check that people limit their post to essential information.

 

The best is Robert website
for people without a website.

It's the best realsoft
website.

 

But remember one thing, My
website is also a publicity, it's a commercial tool. When I created the
tutorial, It wasn't because I wanted to share informations, it was because I
wanted some visit on my website.

 

I am not writing on this
forum to help people, it's only to make people think of me for my own glory.

 

So writing on my own website
is an investment, writing on Roberts website is not.

 

My new e-mail is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Jean-Sebastien
Perron

www.neuroworld.ws

 

 

-Message d'origine-

De :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
De la part de studio Envoyé : Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:43 PM
À : user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Objet : Re: Ok, OK I will do it,
only because I can. was : no wiki problem

 

> Ok, anyone with a
usefull article or answer to any realsoft problem:

> -Send me an html file
with a folder of the same name -The title of the 

> article should be the
question -In the foloder should be all the 

> pictures or videos
related to that webpage.

> Jean-Sebastien
Perron

> www.neuroworld.ws

 

Jean :

 

  Sorry , I know your heart
is in the right place , but no , this is not a good idea . There is already too
much splintering going on as far as Web Sites with RS inform- ation on them .

 

  Right , now , in my
opinion , the best thing to do is pick the #1 RS site and work toward expanding
it's know- ledge base . That site , in my humble opinion would have to be
Robert denbroeders Web Site .

 

  Robert is a selfless
person who is not only a beta-test- er , but also a huge supporter of the
Realsoft3D community in many, many ways . Have a look at his tutorials alone !

 

http://members.chello.nl/rbroeder/

 

  BJ is another , but he
runs the forum , which can be very usefull too , of course .

 

  As I said in an earlier mail
, Satu was in the process of constructing an "official" , extensive
Realsoft3D Web Site before she left the community (I know she is probably still
around somewhat and wishing I would cool down) (grin) .

 

 I would say get behind
Robert's initiative with the energy that you have . Get in touch with Robert
and ask him if you could write a tutorial and if he would host it .

 

 This is really what the
RS3D community actually needs I think. 

A single site for people to
go to first , with extensive tutor- ials and 3D objects & Textures &
Links (etc etc etc) .

 

  If you look closely at
Roberts Layout you will see he has the most perfect design . It's brilliant ,
actually , by a longshot.

Adding pertinent info to
your own RS3D interface could be as easy as visiting Roberts site and clicking
on your Tab of choice ...

 

  I myself tried to create
Realsoft3D tutorials that would fit right in with Roberts basic Web Page design
. It's a good solid basic design and easy to use .

 

  What do you , yourself
think about this suggestion ?

 

Garry

 

 

 

What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?

[ShaddamIV]

What is the best LINUX distribution would  you recommand for
realsoft?

 

Jean-Sebastien Perron

www.neuroworld.ws