Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
Lee Elliott wrote: I think you may have misinterpreted the responses - there's very little fundamental difference between different linux distributions because they're all running the same software. The major differences are in the way that things are organised, or implemented, and that's due to the versatility inherent in the linux 'system'. In many ways it's better to think of linux as a modular OS that can be put together as _you_ want - you're not dictated to regarding how the 'modules' work together. In this respect, the main differences between different distros comes down to alternative ways of implementing it. This doesn't affect the base functionality for the system so unless there's some bad design in a package i.e. relying upon distro specific features, all packages will run on all distros. The greatest problem that one is likely to encounter between different distros is that of individual package version features and this isn't any different to Windows, where a application might require a particular service pack (which equates to a newer version of various files/libs) to work. LeeE Lee, Thank you for addressing these points and for doing such a fine job; that sounds more like the Linux I have been working with since RS announced it was working on a Linux version : ) Zaug -- My love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind. <|8?o
Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
I think you may have misinterpreted the responses - there's very little fundamental difference between different linux distributions because they're all running the same software. The major differences are in the way that things are organised, or implemented, and that's due to the versatility inherent in the linux 'system'. In many ways it's better to think of linux as a modular OS that can be put together as _you_ want - you're not dictated to regarding how the 'modules' work together. In this respect, the main differences between different distros comes down to alternative ways of implementing it. This doesn't affect the base functionality for the system so unless there's some bad design in a package i.e. relying upon distro specific features, all packages will run on all distros. The greatest problem that one is likely to encounter between different distros is that of individual package version features and this isn't any different to Windows, where a application might require a particular service pack (which equates to a newer version of various files/libs) to work. LeeE On Friday 22 September 2006 01:20, Russell Jones wrote: > This is why Linux is not yet embraced by the mainstream: Large > differences in supported features, hardware, etc. I'm > surprised the Linux community hasn't established a minimum > Linux standard that software manufacturers can write for...or > maybe they have but no one knows about it? Something along the > lines of MSX for the PC, which, although failed miserably to > gain a user base (at least in the US), at least offered a > 'minimum standard' for software companies to write for. > > I'd like to see Linux succeed, but they have to do much better > than they are. > > Russell > - Original Message - > From: Marc Michael > To: ShaddamIV > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you > recommand for realsoft? > > > Hallo ShaddamIV, > > > > > >What is the best LINUX distribution would you > recommand for realsoft? > > > > Jean-Sebastien Perron > > www.neuroworld.ws > > > > > > > > I have installed Realsoft3D on SuSE and Debian. At work I've > installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Ubuntu is > focussed on the graphical desktop user. Very easy to install. > You insert the CD, boot into the live system, play around and > then simply choose from the menu "Install on HD". Nice thing. > > > > > In my experience Realsoft3D doesn't need special features of > the distribution. So, all Linux Distributions should work. > There are three things which needs further investment. First > is the GUI library. RS3D need the original Motif-Libs. As I > installed it on a Debian Box, I simply copied the binary lib > from a SuSE Box. It simply works. An important point is the > window manager. RS3D uses extremely the left Alt-Key. But > under X11, the left Alt-Key is traditionaly used for > manipulating windows. I use BlackBox. BlackBox has the nice > feature that I can simply press the Scroll-Lock-Key and the > left Alt-Key will be directly routed to the application. > That's a nice feature. Another point is the > hardware-acceleration of OpenGL. There I have no experience. > Ati and Nvidia provide more or less closes source driver for > their cards. As I've heard, it's not so hard to install an > Nvidia-Card. > > > > > The best advise on which Linux-Distribution you should use > is simply: Use the distribution your friend uses. ;-) > > > > > -- > > Viele Grüße, > > Yogi Marc Michael > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.6/453 - Release > Date: 9/20/2006
Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
George Jenner wrote: I use Mandriva quite happily. Simple to set up. Good francophone support if you need it. Main problem is that Realsoft won't work with KDE (or Gnome?) using their default Window Managers. All is well if you run it in IceWM (or use IceWM under KDE). I run Enlightenment 16(beta) for my window manager, very lightweight, fast and has some great window options, like window shading, pager type windows that shade either left or right and other nice things. Also Enlightenment cooperates well with both Gnome and KDE applications. Enlightenment should be available under most major Linux distributions and has not ever seemed to be the cause of any issues with RS. More problematic may be hardware issues. My Dell wont work with Suse. My Nvidia graphics cards are better supported and recommended by Realsoft. My ADSL modem won't work with anything. I'd choose a distribution for hardware next time. I have had little issues with hardware and as far as I know, the best reason to use NVidia under Linux is NVidia's Linux support; not quite up to the point of the Windows drivers but quite functional. I have read of many troubles and much dissatisfaction concerning ATI cards and drivers under Linux. That said, I have no personal experience and have not heard tell of the driver status lately; something I would advise anyone thinking of putting together a Linux to system to do before purchasing any hardware (hmm, isn't that what George said ; ) I see now this isn't the linux list. Will take the opportunity to say g'day. Zaug I'm back down under and chained to a non-3d related desk, but when my computer comes out of quarantine (it's in a shipping container at Botany Bay waiting for me to find a place to live) I promise to greeble you a city :-) Greetingz George, I will both hold you to and be looking forward to it : D Zaug -- My love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind. <|8?o
Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
This is why Linux is not yet embraced
by the mainstream: Large differences in supported features, hardware, etc. I'm
surprised the Linux community hasn't established a minimum Linux standard that
software manufacturers can write for...or maybe they have but no one knows about
it? Something along the lines of MSX for the PC, which, although failed
miserably to gain a user base (at least in the US), at least offered a 'minimum
standard' for software companies to write for.
I'd like to see Linux succeed, but they
have to do much better than they are.
Russell
- Original Message -
From:
Marc Michael
To: ShaddamIV
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:16
PM
Subject: Re: What is the best LINUX
distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
Hallo ShaddamIV,
>
What is the best LINUX distribution would you
recommand for realsoft?
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.neuroworld.ws
I have installed Realsoft3D on SuSE and Debian. At work I've installed
Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Ubuntu is focussed on the graphical desktop
user. Very easy to install. You insert the CD, boot into the live system, play
around and then simply choose from the menu "Install on HD". Nice thing.
In my experience Realsoft3D doesn't need special features of the
distribution. So, all Linux Distributions should work. There are three things
which needs further investment. First is the GUI library. RS3D need the
original Motif-Libs. As I installed it on a Debian Box, I simply copied the
binary lib from a SuSE Box. It simply works. An important point is the window
manager. RS3D uses extremely the left Alt-Key. But under X11, the left Alt-Key
is traditionaly used for manipulating windows. I use BlackBox. BlackBox has
the nice feature that I can simply press the Scroll-Lock-Key and the left
Alt-Key will be directly routed to the application. That's a nice feature.
Another point is the hardware-acceleration of OpenGL. There I have no
experience. Ati and Nvidia provide more or less closes source driver for their
cards. As I've heard, it's not so hard to install an Nvidia-Card.
The best advise on which Linux-Distribution you should use is simply: Use
the distribution your friend uses. ;-)
--
Viele Grüße,
Yogi Marc Michael
No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free
Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.6/453 - Release Date:
9/20/2006
Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:01, ShaddamIV wrote: > What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for > realsoft? > > > > Jean-Sebastien Perron > > <http://www.neuroworld.ws/> www.neuroworld.ws Just to add to what Zaug, George and Marc said... I have been using Debian 'unstable' but I'm in the process of moving back to 'stable' to make it easier to manage all my systems - it's difficult to test updates on unstable before rolling them out because there will have been new updates while I was testing the last lot. Debian isn't an especially 'easy' linux distro for a 'newbie' but I've never been tempted to try any others - the way Debian does things just makes sense to me (for the most part ;) I have two main workstations - one with an nVidia video card and one with an ATI and basically, the nVidia card has given me no problems at all while the ATI card has been a bit of a nightmare. This is not just with RS3D but also with a couple of other OpenGL apps, the problems also being experienced by other users and developers. Probably the best advice came from Marc "Use the distribution your friend uses" ;) LeeE
Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
Hallo ShaddamIV, > What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft? Jean-Sebastien Perron www.neuroworld.ws I have installed Realsoft3D on SuSE and Debian. At work I've installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Ubuntu is focussed on the graphical desktop user. Very easy to install. You insert the CD, boot into the live system, play around and then simply choose from the menu "Install on HD". Nice thing. In my experience Realsoft3D doesn't need special features of the distribution. So, all Linux Distributions should work. There are three things which needs further investment. First is the GUI library. RS3D need the original Motif-Libs. As I installed it on a Debian Box, I simply copied the binary lib from a SuSE Box. It simply works. An important point is the window manager. RS3D uses extremely the left Alt-Key. But under X11, the left Alt-Key is traditionaly used for manipulating windows. I use BlackBox. BlackBox has the nice feature that I can simply press the Scroll-Lock-Key and the left Alt-Key will be directly routed to the application. That's a nice feature. Another point is the hardware-acceleration of OpenGL. There I have no experience. Ati and Nvidia provide more or less closes source driver for their cards. As I've heard, it's not so hard to install an Nvidia-Card. The best advise on which Linux-Distribution you should use is simply: Use the distribution your friend uses. ;-) -- Viele Grüße, Yogi Marc Michael
Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
I use Mandriva quite happily. Simple to set up. Good francophone support if you need it. Main problem is that Realsoft won't work with KDE (or Gnome?) using their default Window Managers. All is well if you run it in IceWM (or use IceWM under KDE).More problematic may be hardware issues. My Dell wont work with Suse. My Nvidea graphics cards are better supported and recommended by Realsoft. My ADSL modem won't work with anything. I'd choose a distribution for hardware next time.I see now this isn't the linux list. Will take the opportunity to say g'day. Zaug I'm back down under and chained to a non-3d related desk, but when my computer comes out of quarantine (it's in a shipping container at Botany Bay waiting for me to find a place to live) I promise to greeble you a city :-)GeorgeZaug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:efer to, are impressed with both it's versatility and it's stability.Also, if you did not know, there is a mailing list for registered RS Linux users; info is on the Linux software updates page. Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
Re: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
ShaddamIV wrote: What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft? Jean-Sebastien Perron www.neuroworld.ws <http://www.neuroworld.ws/> I do not know that there is a best; several (three that I know of) of us are running Gentoo, http://www.gentoo.org, with pretty good luck. I hear there is a new quick way to install Gentoo but have not had experience with it. Gentoo is a bit more work than other Linux distributions, but I and the others I refer to, are impressed with both it's versatility and it's stability. Also, if you did not know, there is a mailing list for registered RS Linux users; info is on the Linux software updates page. Zaug -- My love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind. <|8?o
What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft?
What is the best LINUX distribution would you recommand for realsoft? Jean-Sebastien Perron www.neuroworld.ws
