Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 10:05:50AM +0200, Strahil Nikolov wrote: > Maybe I will be unsubscribed every 10th email instead of every 5th one. In the default Mailman config unsubscribe score seems to be 5.0, but you can only get 1.0 per day if there are bounces. Also score is reset to 0 if there are no bounces for 7 days. https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node25.html -- Valentin ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:07:04PM +0200, Strahil Nikolov wrote: > After random amount of e-mails, I got a notification that I'm > unsubscribed due to maximum ammount of bounces reached, but I got no > e-mail about that from yahoo. > > Actually I have no clue about the reason. Yep, you probably did not get my reply either so I Cc you now to prevent the split-brain situation :) https://lists.clusterlabs.org/pipermail/users/2020-March/026939.html After N people send DKIM mails to the list, they produce N bounces from yahoo and Mailman removes you from the list. -- Valentin ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:46:16AM -0600, Ken Gaillot wrote: > Hmm, not sure what the best approach is. I think some people like > having the [ClusterLabs] tag in the subject line. If anyone has > suggested config changes for mailman 2, I can take a look. In that case it would be best to rewrite the From header to use the list address and the rest can probable stay as is. More info here: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC -- Valentin ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:44:55AM -0600, Ken Gaillot wrote: > What sort of issue are you seeing exactly? Is your account being > unsubscribed from the list automatically, or are you not receiving some > of the emails sent by the list? He is on yahoo and based on this Mailman page it seems yahoo rejects messages with invalid signatures: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC If there is a lot of these rejections for a subscribere, Mailman probably decides to remove him from the list. This is also in line with the report I get from yahoo: 78.46.95.29 2 reject fail fail valentin-vidic.from.hr valentin-vidic.from.hr permerror clusterlabs.org none -- Valentin ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On Wed, 2020-03-04 at 10:44 +0100, Valentin Vidić wrote: > AFAICT from the reports, the mail I send to the list might not get > delivered, perhaps this is causing the unsubscribe too: > > > > 78.46.95.29 > 2 > > reject > fail > fail > > > > valentin-vidic.from.hr > > > > valentin-vidic.from.hr > permerror > > > clusterlabs.org > none > > > > > For DKIM the problem is that list modifies Subject and body so > the signature is not valid anymore. The list would need to remove > DKIM headers, change the From field to list address and perhaps > add DKIM signature of its own. Another options is for the list > to stop modifying messages: > https://begriffs.com/posts/2018-09-18-dmarc-mailing-list.html Hmm, not sure what the best approach is. I think some people like having the [ClusterLabs] tag in the subject line. If anyone has suggested config changes for mailman 2, I can take a look. > For SPF if would be good to add SPF records into DNS for > clusterlabs.org > domain. We definitely should add SPF records. That might help the "not being delivered" issue, if mail servers are doing a "SPF or DKIM must pass" test. -- Ken Gaillot ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On Wed, 2020-03-04 at 10:05 +0200, Strahil Nikolov wrote: > Maybe I will be unsubscribed every 10th email instead of every 5th > one. Hi Strahil, What sort of issue are you seeing exactly? Is your account being unsubscribed from the list automatically, or are you not receiving some of the emails sent by the list? -- Ken Gaillot ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 10:05:50AM +0200, Strahil Nikolov wrote: > Maybe I will be unsubscribed every 10th email instead of every 5th one. AFAICT from the reports, the mail I send to the list might not get delivered, perhaps this is causing the unsubscribe too: 78.46.95.29 2 reject fail fail valentin-vidic.from.hr valentin-vidic.from.hr permerror clusterlabs.org none For DKIM the problem is that list modifies Subject and body so the signature is not valid anymore. The list would need to remove DKIM headers, change the From field to list address and perhaps add DKIM signature of its own. Another options is for the list to stop modifying messages: https://begriffs.com/posts/2018-09-18-dmarc-mailing-list.html For SPF if would be good to add SPF records into DNS for clusterlabs.org domain. -- Valentin ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
On March 4, 2020 9:50:10 AM GMT+02:00, Ulrich Windl wrote: Valentin Vidic schrieb am >03.03.2020 um >16:52 >in Nachricht ><20449_1583250783_5e5e7d5f_20449_2155_1_20200303155240.ga24...@valentin-vidic.fr > >m.hr>: >> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 03:44:50PM ‑0600, Ken Gaillot wrote: >>> The clusterlabs.org server OS upgrade is (mostly) done. >>> >>> Services are back up, with the exception of some cosmetic issues and >>> the source code continuous integration testing for ClusterLabs >github >>> projects (ci.kronosnet.org). Those will be dealt with at a more >>> reasonable time :) >> >> Regarding the upgrade, perhaps the mailman config for the list should >> be updated to work better with SPF and DKIM checks? > >How do you define "work better"? > >> >> ‑‑ >> Valentin >> ___ >> Manage your subscription: >> https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/ > > > >___ >Manage your subscription: >https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/ Maybe I will be unsubscribed every 10th email instead of every 5th one. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
[ClusterLabs] Antw: [EXT] Re: clusterlabs.org upgrade done
>>> Valentin Vidic schrieb am 03.03.2020 um 16:52 in Nachricht <20449_1583250783_5e5e7d5f_20449_2155_1_20200303155240.ga24...@valentin-vidic.fr m.hr>: > On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 03:44:50PM ‑0600, Ken Gaillot wrote: >> The clusterlabs.org server OS upgrade is (mostly) done. >> >> Services are back up, with the exception of some cosmetic issues and >> the source code continuous integration testing for ClusterLabs github >> projects (ci.kronosnet.org). Those will be dealt with at a more >> reasonable time :) > > Regarding the upgrade, perhaps the mailman config for the list should > be updated to work better with SPF and DKIM checks? How do you define "work better"? > > ‑‑ > Valentin > ___ > Manage your subscription: > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/ ___ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
