Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 03:07:36PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: :... :2. make replace - addresses the problems with make update by going : :3. pkg_rolling-replace - the nearest thing to automating this scheme. : :4. Use pkg_comp to build packages in a chroot environment, and then have :... :Hope that helps, :Alistair This brings up a pet peave of mine, which I wonder if the pkgsrc folks could address. Could you guys please make 'bmake help' actually print out something useful? Like a summary of commonly used commands? What it does now is really not very useful at all unless you are already a pkgsrc expert. (fetch-list, update, replace, pkg_rolling-replace, license stuff, package option commands, etc). It just drives me nuts, particularly when I'm trying to load up a new box and don't have a browser online, or when an update blows up my browser :-) Yeah, a good point, and one I agree with completely - it's hardly help if you need extensive background information to know what to type. I'll include [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply - the guys who did the bmake help all read that list. tech-pkg people - what do you think? Thanks, Alistair
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:53:14 +0100 Alistair Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't have portupgrade, but there are a number of other ways of looking at the problem. 1. make update - looks at all the packages installed, including 2. make replace - addresses the problems with make update by going 3. pkg_rolling-replace - the nearest thing to automating this scheme. 4. Use pkg_comp to build packages in a chroot environment, and then have an install-binary-package fest. Also my current favorite wip/pkgmanager which uses a want list of packages works out what's changed and updates (with make replace), installs and removes as necessary. None of these work well with package renames though and build failures can still cause problems (unlike portupgrade the old shared libraries are removed by all of these mechanisms). -- C:WIN | Directable Mirror Arrays The computer obeys and wins.| A better way to focus the sun You lose and Bill collects. |licences available see |http://www.sohara.org/
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:12:29AM +0300, Cristi Magherusan wrote: Hello, On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 08:43 +0100, Alistair Crooks wrote: The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch The pkgsrc developers are very proud to announce the new pkgsrc-2008Q2 branch, which has support for more packages than previous branches. As well as updated versions of many packages, the infrastructure of pkgsrc itself has been improved for better platform and compiler support. Congratulations and many thanks to everyone who contributed! For the future releases, do you have any plans to include an officially supported tool that will properly update/rebuild all or some of the installed packages on a system, without removing everything and rebuilding from scratch, while still maintaining the binary consistency of the system? I'm thinking at something like the portupgrade tool from FreeBSD. We don't have portupgrade, but there are a number of other ways of looking at the problem. 1. make update - looks at all the packages installed, including pre-reqs, deletes the outdated packages, and attempts to build them all again. This can leave you without a working package if the build fails for any reason. Caveat return-presser. 2. make replace - addresses the problems with make update by going through all the pre-reqs to find out of date packages, and builds the out of date one. When it's built, a copy of the old package is kept, the old package is deleted, the new one installed, and all references are fixed up. This may not DTRT if a shared library bumps the major number. It is accompanied by a warning that data loss may ensue just in case of the major number bump. 3. pkg_rolling-replace - the nearest thing to automating this scheme. 4. Use pkg_comp to build packages in a chroot environment, and then have an install-binary-package fest. In passing, note that pkgsrc numbering scheme is logical, and increasing, and so we can do , =, , = matching for things like audit-packages, calculation of down-level packages etc Hope that helps, Alistair
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch
:... :2. make replace - addresses the problems with make update by going : :3. pkg_rolling-replace - the nearest thing to automating this scheme. : :4. Use pkg_comp to build packages in a chroot environment, and then have :... :Hope that helps, :Alistair This brings up a pet peave of mine, which I wonder if the pkgsrc folks could address. Could you guys please make 'bmake help' actually print out something useful? Like a summary of commonly used commands? What it does now is really not very useful at all unless you are already a pkgsrc expert. (fetch-list, update, replace, pkg_rolling-replace, license stuff, package option commands, etc). It just drives me nuts, particularly when I'm trying to load up a new box and don't have a browser online, or when an update blows up my browser :-) -Matt Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 07:21:21PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Or like `pkg_add -u` on OpenBSD? :-) When did you last read the pkg_add man page coming with pkgsrc? :) Joerg
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch
Hello, On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 08:43 +0100, Alistair Crooks wrote: The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch The pkgsrc developers are very proud to announce the new pkgsrc-2008Q2 branch, which has support for more packages than previous branches. As well as updated versions of many packages, the infrastructure of pkgsrc itself has been improved for better platform and compiler support. Congratulations and many thanks to everyone who contributed! For the future releases, do you have any plans to include an officially supported tool that will properly update/rebuild all or some of the installed packages on a system, without removing everything and rebuilding from scratch, while still maintaining the binary consistency of the system? I'm thinking at something like the portupgrade tool from FreeBSD. Best regards, Cristi
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch
On 27/07/2008, Cristi Magherusan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 08:43 +0100, Alistair Crooks wrote: The pkgsrc-2008Q2 Branch The pkgsrc developers are very proud to announce the new pkgsrc-2008Q2 branch, which has support for more packages than previous branches. As well as updated versions of many packages, the infrastructure of pkgsrc itself has been improved for better platform and compiler support. Congratulations and many thanks to everyone who contributed! For the future releases, do you have any plans to include an officially supported tool that will properly update/rebuild all or some of the installed packages on a system, without removing everything and rebuilding from scratch, while still maintaining the binary consistency of the system? I'm thinking at something like the portupgrade tool from FreeBSD. Or like `pkg_add -u` on OpenBSD? :-) http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PkgUpdate http://www.openbsd.org/papers/ven05-espie/ br, cnst.su.
