Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Closing LibreOffice results in a crash
Hi Marc, all, 2010/12/22 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com: Le 2010-12-21 19:21, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : [...] Hi Sigrid: I am also running Mandriva 2010.1 but with KDE desktop with LORC1 ... default French setting is French (France), locale (en-CA) with CAD as default currency. Java version is Sun 1.6.0.22. My version does not crash and I can also change UI from Français (France) to English (US) and back without any problems. I have 3 other Mdv + KDE + LO setups in our house at this point and these do not have this problem. Not sure if this is a problem with Gnome as it seems we have the same setup. Honestly, I'm hoping for RC2. What's surprising is, that I didn't have this problem with any of the betas. I just wanted to make this problem known and maybe someone else faces similar problems. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff
HI :) Snips are good. Staying relevant is important :) I think rtf is inferior to odt. The newer versions of MicroSquish Office (2007 2010) can both read odt now and odt is the one worth promoting most strongly surely? I can hopefully send some documents tomorrow (Thursday) when i work on the http://www.cecf.co.uk website. Something with pictures but no macros and in various formats? Short 1 or 2 page documents or long, research articles? Would documents need to have been done through LibreOffice? I am still using an older version of OpenOffice (still has the Sun logo) at the moment. I am just waiting for the .deb to reach the Ubuntu repos or at least be easy to install. Many regards from Tom :) From: shirish शिरीष shirisha...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 8:30:18 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff In-line :- On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 13:26, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) HI Tom, Sorry for snipping all your stuff out but you were going where its not needed. I already know the pros of using .rtf . That is not the issue. Lemme tell where I'm going with this :- In a few days from now, we would be having some conference on free culture and knowledge and possibility of getting a booth stand where we can show off some GNU/Linux stuff. I/We were thinking of showing off Libreoffice (even though its at an RC stage) to people and educate them about (somewhat alternative) file formats. I was unaware before reading the blog and reading the work which happened in GSOC this year that .rtf has had all those possibilities if Microsoft hadn't abandoned it for their own reasons. My debate is not about what they did or not. What I'm looking for is showing off some sample ready-made .rtf's so people have an idea of how it is and what works and how. Also would be doing some experimentation with different text-editors both on GNU/Linux and perhaps also on MS-Windows as to how easy or not they are to read. Possibly many free/many open-source text-editors may show it properly or not and then I have a chance to bug them about putting some support in (just in case) . I do understand the issue of .doc and .docx and the whole macro viruses issues. I never had them but they were one of the primary reasons for me moving away from MS in the first place. It would be a good idea for Libreoffice in general to have some sort of either community show-off or developers show off with example documents which motivates people to participate more. Hoping this makes things bit clearer for you and the community at large. snipped -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Closing LibreOffice results in a crash
Hi :) Thanks for letting me know. I never found out whether the South African problem got fixed in Ubuntu so it is good to hear that is was treated differently in other distros. Hmm, i guess it could be awkward for CSV files although they generally need some cleaning up anyway in any language. I didn't comment on the install/closing/crash problem because i still use an old OpenOffice (still got the Sun logo) and haven't really installed LibreOffice anywhere useful yet. Sorry i can't help at all. hopefully soemone else might help later Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 10:08:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Closing LibreOffice results in a crash Hi Tom, other programs respect my locale setting. For example the OOo that comes with Mandriva is in German and uses the German locale setting, the same is true for the vanilla version of OOo. It is just LibO, where I am not able to change to the German UI and the German locale. 2010/12/22 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Can you use the , instead or . for currency in any other locale settings, for example the global setting for Mandriva on your machine? We had this problem in Ubuntu's Launchpad Answers section a long time ago and found the South African settings refused to allow the , to be used and it turned out to be a long-running argument in the translators/LoCo team. Apparently the vocal majority saw . as being more modern and/or less dispruptive because the , is used as a special character in formatting apparently I've never heard that the , is used as a special character. What I do know, is, depending on your locale, the settings for exporting or importing a csv file might differ. (I guess, that's the reason, why OOo/LibO gives you a dialog where you can specify what the delimiter for the values in those files is). But besides this, I don't know of any other formatting case. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff
In-line :- On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 15:31, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI :) Hi :) Snips are good. Staying relevant is important :) I think rtf is inferior to odt. The newer versions of MicroSquish Office (2007 2010) can both read odt now and odt is the one worth promoting most strongly surely? Yes and no. Look at it from two ways, yes in MS you may be able to read in .odt but it would same as 'using an elephant to kill an ant' or something like that. Ironically something similar was the basis of Openoffice.org when they started long time back. I am looking at the biggest base and the simplest format which can be read by as many text-editors as can be read. The .rtf format achieves that. If I was a small device manufacturer then also .rtf would fit the bill. There was talk of an odf-viewer but it was highly broken the last time I saw it ~ over 2 years ago. So just because Microsoft is playing ball doesn't mean its good or bad. I hope you are getting my point. Also I don't want to be in a place to push or give a single alternative format, that's the reason we landed on the whole openoffice.org in the first place. I can hopefully send some documents tomorrow (Thursday) when i work on the http://www.cecf.co.uk website. Something with pictures but no macros and in various formats? Short 1 or 2 page documents or long, research articles? I don't know if .rtf can read macros or not. If yes, that's also great, honestly haven't seen that. The 1 or 2 pages long is good, but better would be probably a spreadsheet, pictures or whatever good combos think of. I don't know if Libreoffice has a sort of community place where user-generated content could be put up. If there is such a place, it would be good if you put it up there and just give me the links, this way everybody gets a chance to also use that. Would documents need to have been done through LibreOffice? I am still using an older version of OpenOffice (still has the Sun logo) at the moment. I am just waiting for the .deb to reach the Ubuntu repos or at least be easy to install. I don't know which version of Ubuntu you are using, I had installed it on Ubuntu 10.10 the last time I had access to a Ubuntu 10.10 release. Couple of places which give you how you can do it. http://www.mydailytechtips.com/2010/10/how-to-install-libreoffice-in-ubuntu.html http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-libreoffice-in-ubuntu-using-deb-packages.html The latter is the way I did it in Debian and apart from having openoffice.org shortcut in the menus everything else works fine. Although doing it with libreoffice would be better, then we could also check the implementation of that, see how the .rtf gets structured and stuff like that. It should be fun. I would have done the same but frankly I'm not a document guy and don't have the skills to make good-looking documents. Many regards from Tom :) snipped -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff
Hi, 2010/12/22 shirish शिरीष shirisha...@gmail.com: In-line :- On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 15:31, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI :) Hi :) Snips are good. Staying relevant is important :) I think rtf is inferior to odt. The newer versions of MicroSquish Office (2007 2010) can both read odt now and odt is the one worth promoting most strongly surely? Yes and no. Look at it from two ways, yes in MS you may be able to read in .odt but it would same as 'using an elephant to kill an ant' or something like that. Ironically something similar was the basis of Openoffice.org when they started long time back. I am looking at the biggest base and the simplest format which can be read by as many text-editors as can be read. The .rtf format achieves that. Hm, in this case you should use simple text files. Any editor can read this, for example gedit or kate on Linux and Notepad or Notepad+ on Windows. I don't know about any editor for Mac's. But unfortunately, with plain text, you don't have any formatting. If I was a small device manufacturer then also .rtf would fit the bill. There was talk of an odf-viewer but it was highly broken the last time I saw it ~ over 2 years ago. So just because Microsoft is playing ball doesn't mean its good or bad. I hope you are getting my point. Honestly, if I were a small device manufacturer, I would not want to use rtf at all. But I guess, this depends on what kind of devices you're talking about. ;) Also I don't want to be in a place to push or give a single alternative format, that's the reason we landed on the whole openoffice.org in the first place. I agree, showing several alternatives is good! I can hopefully send some documents tomorrow (Thursday) when i work on the http://www.cecf.co.uk website. Something with pictures but no macros and in various formats? Short 1 or 2 page documents or long, research articles? I don't know if .rtf can read macros or not. If yes, that's also great, honestly haven't seen that. The 1 or 2 pages long is good, but better would be probably a spreadsheet, pictures or whatever good combos think of. I don't know if Libreoffice has a sort of community place where user-generated content could be put up. If there is such a place, it would be good if you put it up there and just give me the links, this way everybody gets a chance to also use that. A suggestion: You can create an account at the wiki (wiki.documentfoundation.org) and upload the files there. Every user has his own page, that can be used for stuff like this. Would documents need to have been done through LibreOffice? I am still using an older version of OpenOffice (still has the Sun logo) at the moment. I am just waiting for the .deb to reach the Ubuntu repos or at least be easy to install. I don't know which version of Ubuntu you are using, I had installed it on Ubuntu 10.10 the last time I had access to a Ubuntu 10.10 release. Couple of places which give you how you can do it. http://www.mydailytechtips.com/2010/10/how-to-install-libreoffice-in-ubuntu.html http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-libreoffice-in-ubuntu-using-deb-packages.html The latter is the way I did it in Debian and apart from having openoffice.org shortcut in the menus everything else works fine. I think installing LibreOffice is pretty straight forward on either rpm or deb-based distributions. Download the file that you want to install, unpack it with your preferred tool (unzip or e. g. ark for GUI users). If you're not on a terminal yet, I would suggest that you go there now and change into the directory with your deb-files. Get root-privileges (su or sudo, what ever you prefer) and enter dpkg -i *.deb This installs all the files in the right order automatically. You don't have to figure out which packet to install first, second and so on. Install the packet for the deskopt integration in the same way (it's in a sub folder in the debs-directory). Same instructions apply to installing an extra language-pack (if needed). For someone who runs a rpm-based distro, the equivalent of the above command is rpm -Uvh *.rpm -U means update (=delete old version and install new one) -v verbose (tells you what it's doing) -h uses hash signs to give you some sort of progress bar Greetings from Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:52:23AM +0530, shirish ??? shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Few days/weeks ago I was browsing the net and came across the RTF Export function about Libreoffice as somebody had done the same in GSOC. http://vmiklos.hu/blog/libreoffice :) See: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~vmiklos/lo-test-files/tree/writer Convert the odt files to rtf using LibreOffice, then you can do your tests. If you want to test the rtf export itself, then sadly I can only recommend MS Office, which is the only editor implementing 100% of the rtf spec. (LibO got closer with the recent rework, but it's still not 100%.) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] Re: Closing LibreOffice results in a crash
Le 2010-12-22 04:21, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Honestly, I'm hoping for RC2. What's surprising is, that I didn't have this problem with any of the betas. I just wanted to make this problem known and maybe someone else faces similar problems. Sigrid Hi Sigrid: FWIW, I also have a quirky problem with my setups on Mdv2010.1 + LORC1. If I go to Tools-Options-General some of the windows overlap http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LOToolsGeneral.png as mentioned in a previous thread. Looking forward to the RC2. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] Re: Closing LibreOffice results in a crash
RC2 is already available for download on selected mirrors... This one for instance http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/tdf/libreoffice/testing/ -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Closing-LibreOffice-results-in-a-crash-tp2128832p2132613.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:29:40PM +0530, shirish ??? shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, nice Miklos. Its not everyday that a developer comes up and shares his work with us users. It would be nice if you would blog about it sometimes, maybe tag it so somebody like me who doesn't have any programming knowledge (and doesn't want to) can come and see what progress is being made in that. What you linked is already the list of posts tagged as 'libreoffice'. :) On the other side, what would you say would be a good strategy to push other text-editors to use the spec. or come close to it. What they need to look at, I can atleast ask in abiword, gedit and other open-source text-editors even if its just as a wishlist bug. Would need that info. That may sounds too obvious: most of the spec is clear, so what a developer of a text editor can do is really 1) read a part of the spec 2) as a reference implementation, you can have a look at what MSO does, as long as the blackbox model it provides helps you. Lastly, I have just subscribed to the nomail version of the list. While the traffic is not much now, in the coming days I do feel its going to be big and I don't want to be distracted by other discussions. As already said not a programmer so many things which would be discussed may be those as well as other wishlist stuff. If you have a specific document in odt format which is not exported properly in RTF and it is in MSO, then you are welcome to report it following http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport and as my free time permits, I can try to fix it up. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff
On 12/22/2010 2:35 PM, Miklos Vajna wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:29:40PM +0530, shirish ???shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, nice Miklos. Its not everyday that a developer comes up and shares his work with us users. It would be nice if you would blog about it sometimes, maybe tag it so somebody like me who doesn't have any programming knowledge (and doesn't want to) can come and see what progress is being made in that. What you linked is already the list of posts tagged as 'libreoffice'. :) On the other side, what would you say would be a good strategy to push other text-editors to use the spec. or come close to it. What they need to look at, I can atleast ask in abiword, gedit and other open-source text-editors even if its just as a wishlist bug. Would need that info. That may sounds too obvious: most of the spec is clear, so what a developer of a text editor can do is really 1) read a part of the spec 2) as a reference implementation, you can have a look at what MSO does, as long as the blackbox model it provides helps you. Lastly, I have just subscribed to the nomail version of the list. While the traffic is not much now, in the coming days I do feel its going to be big and I don't want to be distracted by other discussions. As already said not a programmer so many things which would be discussed may be those as well as other wishlist stuff. If you have a specific document in odt format which is not exported properly in RTF and it is in MSO, then you are welcome to report it following http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport and as my free time permits, I can try to fix it up. Unless he's following on Nabble or somewhere, Shirish (shirisha...@gmail.com) probably didn't see this -- note the reference to the nomail version. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] The RTF export and import stuff
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 03:45:50PM -0600, Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com wrote: Unless he's following on Nabble or somewhere, Shirish (shirisha...@gmail.com) probably didn't see this -- note the reference to the nomail version. Yes, I noticed it.. Sadly the reply-to header is tweaked on this list so even reply-to-all (what I use on the libreoffice lists) replies to the list only. Sorry about that. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
