Re: [libreoffice-users] L.O. 3.5

[man_without_clue]

On 02/25/2012 01:09 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 13:03 +0900, man_without_clue wrote:
   

Is LibreOffice 3.5.0rc3 same as final official release?

I just downloaded and installed on my Debian but the version says "rc3".
 

  This has been confusing to me in the past as well, but the answer
is yes. Three release candidates were created. The third one (RC3) was
then released as 3.5.0. I have hear talk of making changes in the
numbering system to make all of this clearer.

--Dan



   

Ok, thanks Dan.
Yeah, it is confusing. I thought they just didn't care about Linux.

m.w.c.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] L.O. 3.5

[Dan Lewis]

On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 13:03 +0900, man_without_clue wrote:
> Is LibreOffice 3.5.0rc3 same as final official release?
> 
> I just downloaded and installed on my Debian but the version says "rc3".

 This has been confusing to me in the past as well, but the answer
is yes. Three release candidates were created. The third one (RC3) was
then released as 3.5.0. I have hear talk of making changes in the
numbering system to make all of this clearer.

--Dan



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[libreoffice-users] L.O. 3.5

[man_without_clue]

Is LibreOffice 3.5.0rc3 same as final official release?

I just downloaded and installed on my Debian but the version says "rc3".



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[DavidC]

...

> Thanks, but the box is checked and graphics and objects are set to be
> displayed.  Other graphics appear just fine.
> 
> I've cut out everything except a couple of pages and made it
> available for download here:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProbs1.odt.  If anyone can think
> of a solution I'd appreciate it as

That document contains no object folders. Meaning that if an object were
embeded in the document, the document when extracted should have
folders/directories for each embedded object. Example:
LOProbs1.odt_FILES
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/Object 1
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/Object 2
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/Object 3
etc.

Further, the
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/ObjectReplacements
shows two files at zero bytes (Object 1 and 31) and only one with any
data in the xml file: Object 9.
---

Ok, I'm obviously doing something incredibly stupid.  I'll go away and work it 
out based on what you've said here.

Thanks NoOp.  I appreciate your help.

Regards

David


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 02/23/2012 04:18 AM, Caesar wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
  wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top
posting:


On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote:

On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas   wrote:

I avoid the aggravation by having posts from Tom Davies automatically
deleted.

Now that is cold...

Cold but effective.


Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant.


What I meant was "it feels mean to say that someone values a person's 
contributions so little that they have an automatic deletion filter on 
all of their contributions". Especially when it is someone that produces 
so much good for the LO community (say in the area of free documentation).


Reminds me of a movie where a soldier is asked something like "how can 
you shoot women and children" and the response "it is easy, you just 
don't lead them so much".


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save As DOCX does not export graphics

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 02/23/2012 11:11 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 23/02/2012, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  wrote:

On 02/22/2012 06:06 PM, e-letter wrote:

On 22/02/2012, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak   wrote:

Using the latest version of LO, I created a document with many graphics.
I was able to save as DOC and graphics were retained. When I saved as
DOCX, all of the graphics were missing. I know, file a bug report.


Why is this important? Unless images are lost after creation of an odf
document.

If you were to write to m$ and comment that m$ can create an odf11
document but not an odf12 version, what would be the likely response.

It is certainly not any more important than support for any of the other
numerous formats supported by OOo. Interoperability has always been very
difficult. What formats would you continue to support.


Nothing wrong with support of multiple formats, except that perfect
behaviour/performance with the odf must be the top priority.


Note that I am not in a position to dictate to my boss or my companies
clients what products they will use. Note that I do have full access to
pretty much any MS product that I care to use, so if a MS format is not
supported, then I must do all work with a MS deliverable in MS.


That should continue; if the output required is m$, use m$. There is
no advantage to use LO to create m$ documents.


I could provide a list of reasons as to why I would prefer to use LO and 
then simply write to DOCX if that is what is needed, but, the brief 
version is


(1) I just like LO much better that MSO interface just kills me.

(2) Historically, there have been things that I did trivially in OOo / 
LO that I and a group of long time MSO users were unable to reproduce in 
MSO that was trivial in OOo.





My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt

Off-topic, but takes a long time to load directly from the web via
abiword...daren't try LO...

Is the issue related to download speed or the internal document
arrangement? if it is the later, resaving the document with a newer
version may help, but I have not touched that document directly in a bit
because there was a bug in OOo that caused it to crash. The bug was
fixed but never made it into the last OOo release. LO deals with the
document just fine, but since the latest version of LO sometimes drops
graphics, I am hesitant to touch the document with that either.


Don't know. The purpose of accessing directly from the web is to avoid
saving to the local disk.


I understand...

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[NoOp]

On 02/24/2012 05:13 PM, DavidC wrote: (and somewhere along the line,
Dennis wrote >>>)
> 
> 
> Hi Dennis,
> 
> Thanks for your help.  In answer to your questions:
> 
> 
>>> 1. Are you making sure that the OLE object is embedded and not
>>> just linked?  Are you also making sure that the option to show a
>>> thumbnail instead of the rendering of the OLE object is not
>>> selected?
> 
> I'm creating the OLE objects from Insert/Object/OLE object, so I'm
> presuming they're embedded.
> 
> I'm not quite sure where this is.  If it's the one that is
> Libreoffice/Preferences/Writer/View/Tables and Objects, then yes.
> 
>>> 2. Are you using more than one computer for this work?And is
>>> the original application that produces the OLE object available
>>> on each machine where you want to view the document correctly?
> 
> No, I'm not.  I am storing it and accessing it from Dropbox.
> However, as this service stores the file locally, it shouldn't affect
> this.

You are storing & inserting the the drawings from dropbox or locally?

...
> Thanks, but the box is checked and graphics and objects are set to be
> displayed.  Other graphics appear just fine.
> 
> I've cut out everything except a couple of pages and made it
> available for download here:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProbs1.odt.  If anyone can think
> of a solution I'd appreciate it as

That document contains no object folders. Meaning that if an object were
embeded in the document, the document when extracted should have
folders/directories for each embedded object. Example:
LOProbs1.odt_FILES
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/Object 1
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/Object 2
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/Object 3
etc.

Further, the
LOProbs1.odt_FILES/ObjectReplacements
shows two files at zero bytes (Object 1 and 31) and only one with any
data in the xml file: Object 9.

> 
> a) I'd really like to use vector graphics for my thesis and b)
> Importing the svg files I've created using draw screws with the text.
> I suspect Writer is having a problem with the fonts.
> 
> -- And just to add insult to injury, all the graphs I've carefully
> spend a couple of days' work creating are now in the same situation.
> Argh!  Help!
> 
> DavidC



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[DavidC]

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for your help.  In answer to your questions:


>>  1. Are you making sure that the OLE object is embedded and not just 
>>linked?  Are you also making sure that the option to show a thumbnail instead 
>>of the rendering of the OLE object is not selected?

I'm creating the OLE objects from Insert/Object/OLE object, so I'm presuming 
they're embedded.

I'm not quite sure where this is.  If it's the one that is 
Libreoffice/Preferences/Writer/View/Tables and Objects, then yes.   

 >> 2. Are you using more than one computer for this work?    And is the 
original application that produces the OLE object available on each machine 
where you want to view the document correctly?

No, I'm not.  I am storing it and accessing it from Dropbox.  However, as this 
service stores the file locally, it shouldn't affect this. 

>>  3. You might do better pasting the drawing from the application where you 
>>are creating it into the destination document, using Copy and Paste 
>>[Special...] as appropriate to select a vector-graphic insertion.  

I'll give that a go for ones I create from now on.

Thanks again, 

David. 

-Original Message-
From: DavidC [mailto:telem...@yahoo.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 16:54
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write



>> I spent about three hours yesterday creating some very nice draw
>> documents from within write (Insert/Object/OLE Object/Create New).
>> Now I open up the thesis this morning, and they've been replaced by
>> large pixelated pictures of what I presume is supposed to be a plug
>> (for the plugin?)  A screenshot is available here:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProb.png

...
>Try:
>Tools|Options|LibreOffice Writer|View|Display| - check the 'Graphics and
>objects' box|OK.
>--

Thanks, but the box is checked and graphics and objects are set to be 
displayed.  Other graphics appear just fine.

I've cut out everything except a couple of pages and made it available for 
download here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProbs1.odt.  If anyone can 
think of a solution I'd appreciate it as

a) I'd really like to use vector graphics for my thesis and 
b) Importing the svg files I've created using draw screws with the text.  I 
suspect Writer is having a problem with the fonts.

--
And just to add insult to injury, all the graphs I've carefully spend a couple 
of days' work creating are now in the same situation.  Argh!  Help!

DavidC
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

  1. Are you making sure that the OLE object is embedded and not just linked?  
Are you also making sure that the option to show a thumbnail instead of the 
rendering of the OLE object is not selected?

  2. Are you using more than one computer for this work?And is the original 
application that produces the OLE object available on each machine where you 
want to view the document correctly?

  3. You might do better pasting the drawing from the application where you are 
creating it into the destination document, using Copy and Paste [Special...] as 
appropriate to select a vector-graphic insertion.  

It is often the case that a bad bitmapped version of an image will be used as a 
substitute when the vector-graphic form cannot be accessed/utilized for some 
reason.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: DavidC [mailto:telem...@yahoo.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 16:54
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write



>> I spent about three hours yesterday creating some very nice draw
>> documents from within write (Insert/Object/OLE Object/Create New).
>> Now I open up the thesis this morning, and they've been replaced by
>> large pixelated pictures of what I presume is supposed to be a plug
>> (for the plugin?)  A screenshot is available here:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProb.png

...
>Try:
>Tools|Options|LibreOffice Writer|View|Display| - check the 'Graphics and
>objects' box|OK.
>--

Thanks, but the box is checked and graphics and objects are set to be 
displayed.  Other graphics appear just fine.

I've cut out everything except a couple of pages and made it available for 
download here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProbs1.odt.  If anyone can 
think of a solution I'd appreciate it as

a) I'd really like to use vector graphics for my thesis and 
b) Importing the svg files I've created using draw screws with the text.  I 
suspect Writer is having a problem with the fonts.

--
And just to add insult to injury, all the graphs I've carefully spend a couple 
of days' work creating are now in the same situation.  Argh!  Help!

DavidC
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[DavidC]

>> I spent about three hours yesterday creating some very nice draw
>> documents from within write (Insert/Object/OLE Object/Create New).
>> Now I open up the thesis this morning, and they've been replaced by
>> large pixelated pictures of what I presume is supposed to be a plug
>> (for the plugin?)  A screenshot is available here:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProb.png

...
>Try:
>Tools|Options|LibreOffice Writer|View|Display| - check the 'Graphics and
>objects' box|OK.
>--

Thanks, but the box is checked and graphics and objects are set to be 
displayed.  Other graphics appear just fine.

I've cut out everything except a couple of pages and made it available for 
download here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProbs1.odt.  If anyone can 
think of a solution I'd appreciate it as

a) I'd really like to use vector graphics for my thesis and 
b) Importing the svg files I've created using draw screws with the text.  I 
suspect Writer is having a problem with the fonts.

--
And just to add insult to injury, all the graphs I've carefully spend a couple 
of days' work creating are now in the same situation.  Argh!  Help!

DavidC
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[DavidC]

> I spent about three hours yesterday creating some very nice draw

> documents from within write (Insert/Object/OLE Object/Create New).
> Now I open up the thesis this morning, and they've been replaced by
> large pixelated pictures of what I presume is supposed to be a plug
> (for the plugin?)  A screenshot is available here:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProb.png

...
Try:
Tools|Options|LibreOffice Writer|View|Display| - check the 'Graphics and
objects' box|OK.
--

Thanks, but the box is checked and graphics and objects are set to be 
displayed.  Other graphics appear just fine.

I've cut out everything except a couple of pages and made it available for 
download here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProbs1.odt.  If anyone can 
think of a solution I'd appreciate it as

a) I'd really like to use vector graphics for my thesis and 
b) Importing the svg files I've created using draw screws with the text.  I 
suspect Writer is having a problem with the fonts.

Regards

David
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[NoOp]

On 02/24/2012 11:55 AM, DavidC wrote:
> Dear Collective Brains Trust,
> 
> I spent about three hours yesterday creating some very nice draw
> documents from within write (Insert/Object/OLE Object/Create New).
> Now I open up the thesis this morning, and they've been replaced by
> large pixelated pictures of what I presume is supposed to be a plug
> (for the plugin?)  A screenshot is available here:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProb.png
...

Try:
Tools|Options|LibreOffice Writer|View|Display| - check the 'Graphics and
objects' box|OK.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Editing Auto-completion List in Calc

[Jay Lozier]

Rich
On 02/24/2012 01:08 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


Tools - "Autocorrect Options"
Has several tabs worth exploring.


  And those were explored before writing. They all relate to correcting
mis-spellings, not auto completion.

Not in Calc but in Writer


Regards,

Rich





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Editing Auto-completion List in Calc

[Jay Lozier]

Rich

On 02/24/2012 01:08 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


Tools - "Autocorrect Options"
Has several tabs worth exploring.


  And those were explored before writing. They all relate to correcting
mis-spellings, not auto completion.

Regards,

Rich


Check the tab "Word Completion" for Tools>>Autocorrect Options, its the 
last tab


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[libreoffice-users] Embedded OLE Objects in Write

[DavidC]

Dear Collective Brains Trust,

I spent about three hours yesterday creating some very nice draw documents from 
within write (Insert/Object/OLE Object/Create New).  Now I open up the thesis 
this morning, and they've been replaced by large pixelated pictures of what I 
presume is supposed to be a plug (for the plugin?)  A screenshot is available 
here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17999770/LOProb.png

Now it's not a total nightmare.  I can grit my teeth, spend the hours 
recreating the documents and save them as svgs (which I probably should have 
done in the first place).  But I'd really rather not.

Has anyone else had this problem?  What did you do about it?  For reference, 
I'm running LO3.5 on a Mac.

Regards

DavidC

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress dies without indications - how do I research further?

[NoOp]

On 02/24/2012 04:53 AM, Jan Schoubo wrote:
> Out of a bunch of 19 PowerPoint PPT files I have the same problem with 4 of
> them (the other 15 works perfectly):
> 
> They all open fine, look very good (much more accurate than LibO 3.3 :-) )
> and I can modify them without problems.
> However, saving them - Save ("Microsoft PowerPoint 97/2000/XP/2003" or Save
> as ("LibreOffice .odp") - results in
> Impress dying without any messages. 
> 
> Restarting allows me to recover - which works fine - but saving again has
> the same results.
> 
> Now, the documents are confidential, so I can't post them, but can you point
> me to how I can maybe figure out which
> constructs in the documents are giving the problem?
> [I am a very experienced developer, so I know a lot about code, but not the
> code or internal structure of LibreOffice]
> 
> I run LibreOffice 3.5.0 on Ubuntu 11.04 64bit.
...

Run from the terminal & backtrace/strace?

LO debug symbol package:

(sudo apt-get install libreoffice-dbg)
also may be of interest:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_debug


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Upgrading Livre 3.4 to 3.5 / windows 7

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The help files included are getting increasingly less useful as everything else 
moves forwards.  The official documentation is far far better.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
Don't worry that you are missing the help files
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Fri, 17/2/12, odfman  wrote:

From: odfman 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Upgrading Livre 3.4 to 3.5 / windows 7
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 1:50

Hi,
No problem here.  I am running Win7 professional SP1 and have upgraded to
3.5.0 without any issues.

However, I still have the same issue of not being able to use the local help
pack.  It appears to install but I directed to the online help.  This is the
same as 3.4.5.  
regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to install LibreOffice 3.5.0 via GPO

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Has anyone been able to help with this yet?  Does anyone know good answers?  
This is about corporate deployment right?  There is an excellent wiki in the 
OpenOffice wiki and presumably it's still good for LibreOffice?  

Sorry i have lost track of it again
Apols and regards from
Tom :)



--- On Fri, 17/2/12, Andreas Oster  wrote:

From: Andreas Oster 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to install LibreOffice 3.5.0 via GPO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 7:59

Am 15.02.2012 08:47, schrieb Andreas Oster:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have tried to to add LibreOffice 3.5.0 as a new package for GPO
> installation but failed to do so. I get the following error when
> I have selected LibO_3.5.0_Win_x86_install_multi.msi:
> 
> "Add operation failed. unable to extract deployment information from the
> package. Run validation on the package to ensure that the package is
> correct."
> 
> First I did a msiexec /a with the original MSI from the LibreOffice
> web page, moved the stuff to a server share and tried to add the
> package. When this did fail, I tried with the original MSI but got the
> same error message.
> 
> Does anyone know how to resolve this issue ? With the older 3.4.2 and
> 3.4.2 it was no problem to add the package to GPO and distribute it
> to the clients.
> 
> Thank you for your kind help.
> 
> best regards
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 

Hello all,

does nobody face the GPO install issue ?

best regards

Andreas


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Editing Auto-completion List in Calc

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


Tools - "Autocorrect Options"
Has several tabs worth exploring.


  And those were explored before writing. They all relate to correcting
mis-spellings, not auto completion.

Regards,

Rich


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents' [RESOLVED]

[Tom Davies]

HI :)
I thought the name was familiar but i thought that was through watching too 
much tele
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 24/2/12, Rich Shepard  wrote:

From: Rich Shepard 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents' [RESOLVED]
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 17:51

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Tom Davies wrote:

> Lol, almost none of the devs get paid.

Tom,

  I know this well since I've used only F/OSS since 1997 and have
participated in the development of several applications.

Rich


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Editing Auto-completion List in Calc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Tools - "Autocorrect Options"
Has several tabs worth exploring.
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Fri, 24/2/12, Rich Shepard  wrote:

From: Rich Shepard 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Editing Auto-completion List in Calc
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 17:18

  In LO-3.5.0 Calc I am offered a completed word or phrase as I start typing
in a cell. The list of potential completions varies with the column.
However, there are some mis-spelled words in that list and I would like to
edit them out.

  How do I access these lists? I find nothing in the Tools->Options menus.
And Tools->Cell Contents only lets me turn on or off this completion
feature.

TIA,

Rich


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents' [RESOLVED]

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


Lol, almost none of the devs get paid.


Tom,

  I know this well since I've used only F/OSS since 1997 and have
participated in the development of several applications.

Rich


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents'

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
A lot of people are regretting not having tried the beta-releases early on to 
get some of these problems out of the way for the final release.  Now quite a 
few people that wanted the shiny new toys are being forced to go back to the 
more stable releases they were on before.  Quick everyone!  Pounce on the next 
beta so we can all play! [stands back and hides]
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 24/2/12, drew  wrote:

From: drew 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents'
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 17:27

On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 08:58 -0800, Rich Shepard wrote:
> It appears that each time I upgrade LO some features/fuctions are reset to
> different defaults and I do not find how to restore them by browsing through
> Tools->Options.
> 
>    This time, after upgrading to LO-3.5.0, I no longer have recently opened
> documents displayed on File->Recently opened. I looked through the options
> and did not see what needs to be selected/deselected to re-enable this
> feature.
> 
>    A pointer to the fix is appreciated.
> 
Hi Rich

There is currently an open issue for that as a bug, the fix will be in
this next point release 3.5.1 I believe.

//drew



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents' [RESOLVED]

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Lol, almost none of the devs get paid.  Most of those that are probably have to 
manage people rather than code.  So, it's a PITA for them as it only stops them 
from working on the more fun stuff like long-runing issues or awesome new 
features and generally being like a rockstar.

That sort of thing would only be useful for proprietary systems and even then 
it's unlikely the same dev would be assigned to fix it.  It would be someone 
new that had no experience with that bit of code while the person breaking it 
would have been given something new to break.  

Ooops, was that a bit cynical?  I'm outside the industry so i am only 
guessing.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 24/2/12, Rich Shepard  wrote:

From: Rich Shepard 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents' [RESOLVED]
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 17:41

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, drew wrote:

> There is currently an open issue for that as a bug, the fix will be in
> this next point release 3.5.1 I believe.

drew,

  So, job security for developers, eh? :-) Break something so there's
something to fix.

  Thanks for the insight.

Rich


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Question re: Calc default font

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Nicely done :)  You can always give a link to the bug-report/feature-request 
although doing so seldom results in it getting dealt with faster or getting mor 
votes or anything.  Still it's nice&tidy for future reference if you are up for 
it.
Congrats, thanks and regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 23/2/12, Willy Williams  wrote:

From: Willy Williams 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question re: Calc default font
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 19:28

Done.

Willy

On 2/23/2012 12:31 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Sounds like time to add a feature request
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
> Congrats and regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Willy Williams  wrote:
>
> From: Willy Williams
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question re: Calc default font
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 17:28
>
> That was just the trick, Regina.  Thanks for the wisdom.  Now, if that 
> capability could be made part of the Options, much as it's part of the 
> Options in Writer, it would be even better.
>
> Willy
>
>
> On 2/23/2012 11:43 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Brian Barker schrieb:
>>> At 19:15 22/02/2012 -0500, Willy Williams wrote:
 While I can hit F11 and change the current font in Calc to the desired
 one, I seem to not be able to make that other font my default. I've
 found the magic in Writer, but not Calc. Can someone please enlighten
 me as to how to set a permanent default font in Calc other than Arial?
>>> o Open a new spreadsheet document.
>>> o Click in the top left corner, where the row and column headers meet,
>>> in order to select the entire sheet.
>>> o Go to Format | Cells... | Font (or right-click | Format Cells... |
>>> Font) and select your chosen font - or just use the Font Name box in the
>>> Formatting toolbar.
>> A better way is not setting a hard formatting but using the styles. So open 
>> Style&Formatting window and set the desired font in the cell style "default".
>>
>> The important step is indeed to save it as template and afterwards make it 
>> your default template. If you want to use document creation from right click 
>> in Windows, you need to change the common template as well.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Regina
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents' [RESOLVED]

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, drew wrote:


There is currently an open issue for that as a bug, the fix will be in
this next point release 3.5.1 I believe.


drew,

  So, job security for developers, eh? :-) Break something so there's
something to fix.

  Thanks for the insight.

Rich


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents'

[drew]

On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 08:58 -0800, Rich Shepard wrote:
> It appears that each time I upgrade LO some features/fuctions are reset to
> different defaults and I do not find how to restore them by browsing through
> Tools->Options.
> 
>This time, after upgrading to LO-3.5.0, I no longer have recently opened
> documents displayed on File->Recently opened. I looked through the options
> and did not see what needs to be selected/deselected to re-enable this
> feature.
> 
>A pointer to the fix is appreciated.
> 
Hi Rich

There is currently an open issue for that as a bug, the fix will be in
this next point release 3.5.1 I believe.

//drew



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[libreoffice-users] Editing Auto-completion List in Calc

[Rich Shepard]

  In LO-3.5.0 Calc I am offered a completed word or phrase as I start typing
in a cell. The list of potential completions varies with the column.
However, there are some mis-spelled words in that list and I would like to
edit them out.

  How do I access these lists? I find nothing in the Tools->Options menus.
And Tools->Cell Contents only lets me turn on or off this completion
feature.

TIA,

Rich


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[libreoffice-users] Restoring List of 'Recent Documents'

[Rich Shepard]

  It appears that each time I upgrade LO some features/fuctions are reset to
different defaults and I do not find how to restore them by browsing through
Tools->Options.

  This time, after upgrading to LO-3.5.0, I no longer have recently opened
documents displayed on File->Recently opened. I looked through the options
and did not see what needs to be selected/deselected to re-enable this
feature.

  A pointer to the fix is appreciated.

Rich


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Fw: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to intsall without CUPS?

[Tom Davies]

--- On Fri, 24/2/12, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
 wrote:

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to intsall without CUPS?
To: "LibreO - Users Global" 
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 16:17

On 02/24/2012 03:41 AM, ra...@gmx.de wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is it possible to build/install Libreoffice on a Linux system without
> CUPS?. I would like to use the office suit but don't like to have that
> awesome CUPS stuff on my machine. Formerly OpenOffice did not require
> CUPS. Why is it now required as a hard dependency? Why can't print jobs
> just be written to a file and or send to a configurable helper
> program/script?
> 
> Not everybody likes to blow up his system installation with many unused
> modules/programs.
> 
> I'm not subscribed to the list, so please add me to CC.
> 
> --
> Harald
> 

May I ask where you got the information you needed CUPS for LibreOffice [on 
Linux] to work?

I have been using LibreOffice on Linux since it came out and this is the first 
time I heard that statement.

I use Ubuntu 10.04LTS.

I wanted the PDF printer for my system, so I installed CUPS-PDF.  I did not do 
it for LO.  I wanted to be able to print to a PDF file for my browser and my 
email package.  There is an issue with "export to PDF" that involves 
specialized fonts not exporting correctly, but "normal" fonts seems to work 
fine.  So I use CUPS-PDF printer to print out these documents with specialized 
fonts and such that LO does not do properly.  I am told that issue is being 
worked on.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] OT- too many emails- how do I stop them?

[webmaster for Kracked Press Productions]

On 02/24/2012 11:14 AM, . wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

I get  too many emails from LibreOffice.

Is there a way to modify some sort of mail settings so that I only get
replies to my queries?



Remove yourself from the lists and get set up with Nabble.

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/nabble-mailing-list-interface/

Nabble has the info on these lists, but in a browser based format, so no 
emails.


To be honest, you might want to use a different option in the 
"http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/"; page.  The email lists seem not 
to be what you needed.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] OT- too many emails- how do I stop them?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
You can always unsubscribe and then subscribe to the "nomail" option and then 
just use Nabble or GMane to subscribe to single threads.  

I tried the nomail option without unsubscribing from the list but i still get 
all the mails which is what the instrauctions say will happen.  I need to 
unsubscribe from the normal option to complete the set-up.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 24/2/12, .  wrote:

From: . 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] OT- too many emails- how do I stop them?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 16:14


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I get  too many emails from LibreOffice.

Is there a way to modify some sort of mail settings so that I only get
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to intsall without CUPS?

[webmaster for Kracked Press Productions]

On 02/24/2012 03:41 AM, ra...@gmx.de wrote:

Hi!

Is it possible to build/install Libreoffice on a Linux system without
CUPS?. I would like to use the office suit but don't like to have that
awesome CUPS stuff on my machine. Formerly OpenOffice did not require
CUPS. Why is it now required as a hard dependency? Why can't print jobs
just be written to a file and or send to a configurable helper
program/script?

Not everybody likes to blow up his system installation with many unused
modules/programs.

I'm not subscribed to the list, so please add me to CC.

--
Harald



May I ask where you got the information you needed CUPS for LibreOffice 
[on Linux] to work?


I have been using LibreOffice on Linux since it came out and this is the 
first time I heard that statement.


I use Ubuntu 10.04LTS.

I wanted the PDF printer for my system, so I installed CUPS-PDF.  I did 
not do it for LO.  I wanted to be able to print to a PDF file for my 
browser and my email package.  There is an issue with "export to PDF" 
that involves specialized fonts not exporting correctly, but "normal" 
fonts seems to work fine.  So I use CUPS-PDF printer to print out these 
documents with specialized fonts and such that LO does not do properly.  
I am told that issue is being worked on.






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[libreoffice-users] OT- too many emails- how do I stop them?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
Allow others to do as they want and forgive them their mistakes and/or 
different ways of doing things.  
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: MiguelAngel 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 15:14

I think nobody needs this improductive discussion.

There too much places in the project where put the efforts.

What is the freedom?

You like top, do it.

You like bottom, do it.

You don't like top, don't read messages with top.

You don't like bottom, don't read messages with bottom.

You like the freedom.

Do what you like.

Let others to do what they like.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] bug in creating forms

[Pertti Rönnberg]

On 24.2.2012 16:06, Dries Feys wrote:

see bug id https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45891

Can anyone reproduce this issue and add his/her experiences to the 
above bug? It is quite ennoying to design this way :-(


When you create a new XML Form, and put a text box on it, there is a 
grey line

around it. When choosing "control" on either a rightclick menu, or the
toolbarbutton, the session crashes, not allowing you to change any of the
properties.
This might be the same with other types as well.
A workaround to remove the border is to create a Label field first, 
and replace

it with a text box.


Good afternoon Dries Feys,
Provided that I got your problem correctly try this:
A text box is a control you insert in different sheets LibreO-Writer, 
Calc, Base etc.

>> right-click the text box control and click 'control'
>>the drop down list shows the text box control's properties =>  
find 'border'
>>click the selection arrow (at right hand) and select the border 
property you desire: e.g. 'no border'

OK?
Pertti Rönnberg


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[Marc Grober]

Stefano,

I have been using listservs for more than 40 years and this is the only list I 
have ever been on where some 10% of the traffic is this thrashing over top 
posting. Yes, I regularly trim or intersperse comment, but when necessary in my 
opinion, or warranted, a portion of my comment may be top posted for the 
reasons set forth at all the usual sites, a practice That Is Not contrary to 
bottom posting

Moreover, I DO often get frustrated and find my self typing RTFM, bit that is 
with respect to substantive matters. This discussion is not substantive.

> 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[Marc Grober]

Actually, I was referring to the guidelines as originally stated. The 
guidelines have apparently been changed twice: once to add something about top 
posting and once to add a reference to the same source cited by the article 
generally.  I was not engaged in any falsehood; I just don't check guidelines 
weekly And it sounds like you have a personal problem :-)



On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Brian Barker  wrote:

> At 06:40 23/02/2012 -0900, Marc Grober wrote:
>> Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines ...
> 
> I don't get involved in these disputes, mainly because they are characterised 
> by intransigence and _ad hominem_ arguments - and I won't do so now.  But you 
> simply cannot expect to argue based on a falsehood!  When you wrote this, the 
> guidelines (at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette ) did not 
> suggest top posting, but rather anything but:
> 
>> ... please do interspersion with trimming [...]. For a simple reply, this is 
>> equivalent to bottom-posting. So, remove extraneous material, and place your 
>> comments in logical order, after the text you are commenting upon.
> 
> But since then someone has changed this to remove any sort of guidance at 
> all.  Perhaps you made the change?!  Or perhaps the original culprit did?  
> It's a fun system - isn't it? - when those who are directed to guidelines and 
> find they don't like them simply change them!
> 
> Brian Barker
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Re: [libreoffice-users] bug in creating forms

[Stefano Fraccaro]

Is the same of bug 40261 and is fixed by this commit (10/02/2012)

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=d5d32eb755c8a53292acbf0648fb82baf6729d8a&g=libreoffice-3-5


Il 24/02/2012 15.06, Dries Feys ha scritto:

see bug id https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45891

Can anyone reproduce this issue and add his/her experiences to the 
above bug? It is quite ennoying to design this way :-(


When you create a new XML Form, and put a text box on it, there is a 
grey line

around it. When choosing "control" on either a rightclick menu, or the
toolbarbutton, the session crashes, not allowing you to change any of the
properties.
This might be the same with other types as well.
A workaround to remove the border is to create a Label field first, 
and replace

it with a text box.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[MiguelAngel]

I think nobody needs this improductive discussion.

There too much places in the project where put the efforts.

What is the freedom?

You like top, do it.

You like bottom, do it.

You don't like top, don't read messages with top.

You don't like bottom, don't read messages with bottom.

You like the freedom.

Do what you like.

Let others to do what they like.

Miguel Ángel.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] bug in creating forms

[Stefano Fraccaro]

I can reproduce the problem also with checkbox and radiobutton. I have 
updated the bug with a sample video   :-)




Il 24/02/2012 15.06, Dries Feys ha scritto:

see bug id https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45891

Can anyone reproduce this issue and add his/her experiences to the 
above bug? It is quite ennoying to design this way :-(


When you create a new XML Form, and put a text box on it, there is a 
grey line

around it. When choosing "control" on either a rightclick menu, or the
toolbarbutton, the session crashes, not allowing you to change any of the
properties.
This might be the same with other types as well.
A workaround to remove the border is to create a Label field first, 
and replace

it with a text box.




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[libreoffice-users] bug in creating forms

[Dries Feys]

see bug id https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45891

Can anyone reproduce this issue and add his/her experiences to the above 
bug? It is quite ennoying to design this way :-(


When you create a new XML Form, and put a text box on it, there is a grey line
around it. When choosing "control" on either a rightclick menu, or the
toolbarbutton, the session crashes, not allowing you to change any of the
properties.
This might be the same with other types as well.
A workaround to remove the border is to create a Label field first, and replace
it with a text box.

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[libreoffice-users] Impress dies without indications - how do I research further?

[Jan Schoubo]

Out of a bunch of 19 PowerPoint PPT files I have the same problem with 4 of
them (the other 15 works perfectly):

They all open fine, look very good (much more accurate than LibO 3.3 :-) )
and I can modify them without problems.
However, saving them - Save ("Microsoft PowerPoint 97/2000/XP/2003" or Save
as ("LibreOffice .odp") - results in
Impress dying without any messages. 

Restarting allows me to recover - which works fine - but saving again has
the same results.

Now, the documents are confidential, so I can't post them, but can you point
me to how I can maybe figure out which
constructs in the documents are giving the problem?
[I am a very experienced developer, so I know a lot about code, but not the
code or internal structure of LibreOffice]

I run LibreOffice 3.5.0 on Ubuntu 11.04 64bit.

Any pointers will be much appreciated.

- Jan

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[libreoffice-users] RE: Impress AutoLayout height in LO

[Body500]

Hello,
Nope, no answer so far. Maybe I should file a bug report.

From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
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Sent: den 23 februari 2012 19:27
To: Anders Jakobsson
Subject: Re: Impress AutoLayout height in LO

Hi :)
Did you ever manage to find an answer for this or is it still a problem?  Sorry 
you have not had any answers from the Users List so far.  Hopefully someone 
knows how to solve this!
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

Body500 wrote
Hi all,
I've noticed something annoying with AutoLayout objects in Impress. This is 
what I did:

1. create an empty presentation and edit the slide master
2. edit the height of the main AutoLayout text box (the one that usually 
contains the main content)
3. Make sure that the text box is not set to auto size, either under "text..." 
or under "size and position"
4. close master view

Now if I choose a layout that displays this AutLayout area, the height of it is 
set to whatever I made it be and all is fine. Here's the problem. I now save 
this document and close it. When I open it again the AutoLayout is still the 
same as before I closed it, but if I change the layout the height of the 
AutoLayout goes back to what it was before I changed it in the master. If I now 
open the master view I see that indeed the master has also changed.

I can change the slide master again and repeat the whole process but nothing 
fixes this. I've tried locking the size and position of the text box but that 
is ignored. I've flipped all sorts of checkboxes but haven't found a solution 
yet.

All this is happening in LO 3.5.0 rc3 but also happened in the 3.4.5 version. I 
haven't tried older versions. Running win7 64-bit.

Anyone else see this happen, and if so is there a fix (I'm assuming it's a 
feature and not a bug).


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[libreoffice-users] How to intsall without CUPS?

[ra...@gmx.de]

Hi!

Is it possible to build/install Libreoffice on a Linux system without
CUPS?. I would like to use the office suit but don't like to have that
awesome CUPS stuff on my machine. Formerly OpenOffice did not require
CUPS. Why is it now required as a hard dependency? Why can't print jobs
just be written to a file and or send to a configurable helper
program/script?

Not everybody likes to blow up his system installation with many unused
modules/programs.

I'm not subscribed to the list, so please add me to CC.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Macros - Basic Documentation

[Andreas Säger]

Am 24.02.2012 00:11, Nicolás Adamo wrote:


On 02/23/2012 04:37 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

Did you get any good answers to this one or solve it on your own? If
not then now might be a good time to ask the list or find the new
askBOT thing on the official LibreOffice website and ask afresh there

I found this interesting link exposing all the things I've already
suffered:
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=48076
I think It will be a great challenge to create an online help for
macros, which would be bundled to LO's help, but I don't think it will
come soon.


The StarBasic language is almost fully documented in the F1 help. The 
office API is documented online, completely but not always thoroughly. 
There are thousands of well done code snippets on the internet 
(unfortunately a bunch of translated VBA trash as well).
The main problem is that to many people never programmed anything but 
VBA and even within VBA they rely entirely on default objects, code 
completion and macro recorder. They are completely unable to program 
anything outside the VBA context. But this has nothing to do with this 
application nor the complexity of its API.
Using the MRI extension and knowing some dozends of facts by heart, I 
can find most of the methods, properties and reference pages for any 
accessible object within seconds.



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[libreoffice-users] calc problem

[Václav Medek]

Hi,

I would like to ask you how to solve a problem with Calc. Ill try to 
explain you how to reproduce it.


Just open any web page in your browser and find there an e-mail contact 
which is in html link form. I.e. users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org 


Copy this contact with ctrl+c and try to paste it to Calc list with ctrl+v.

What happen is, that some "import dialog" appear and you must click your 
decision. In that dialog there is no checkbox like "remember my decision 
and dont ask again". So when you need to copy+paste like 400 email 
addresses, you must everytime click this dialog. This is bad, very bad...
So my question is: is there any option how to turn this dialog off? I 
didn't find it...


LibreOffice 3.4.4 in Ubuntu 11.10.

Thank you,
V. Medek

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[libreoffice-users] Re: calc: file database

[Andreas Säger]

Am 23.02.2012 09:24, pcpconsulting wrote:

I have a problem with link to database in calc.

I use libreoffice 3.5 on linux ubuntu 10.4
Before was installed libreoffice 3.3

Now when I press F4 in calc appear some database where old, used before
installing libreoffice 3.5

If I go on tools> option> libreoffice base>database no database are open
( except Bibliography that I have eliminate).
Also If I add a new database and I close and reopen ..libreoffice
base> database do not appear any database. It is empty.
Please if somebody can help me.
Regards
Fabio



Let's start with the first chain link. Seemingly you have some 
collection of spreadsheets you want to read as if they were a database.
For several reasons the sheets of a calculator program are the worst 
container medium to store data for any database purposes.


1) Anyhow, how do the data look like? Can you post a few lines of data 
here? Just copy the first 3 lines of a list and paste into your mail client.
2) Are there more than one database-like lists in one spreadsheet 
document? Do these lists share the same structure of fields (columns)?
3) Are there many spreadsheets you want to use like that? Do they also 
share the same structure of columns?
4) Are you sure that your data are consistent across columns, sheets and 
documents? Can you be sure that date columns contain nothing but dates 
and numeric columns contain nothing but numbers?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[Tom Davies]

Hi :) 
I did not change them but i applaud whoever did.  

The main argument that the bottom-poster-fanatics use in order to demand that 
everyone else is only allowed to bottom post is that the guidelines suggest 
doing so.  That is clearly not working so the guidelines needed to be changed 
to support what the target-market of this list are more comfortable with.  

In my opinion people should be allowed to post as they want without being 
subjected to the bullying of the bottom-posters.  That view seems to be 
supported by everyone that top-posts that has commented in this thread.  

Can we not accept that the main purpose of this thread is to answer people's 
questions and make them feel comfortable about asking questions?  Clearly not.  
It seems the main aim of this list, according to the bottom-posters, is 
1.  to keep subjecting us all to this pointless argument, 
2.  to bully anyone that doesn't obey them
3.  to make people uncomfortable about asking questions for fear of 
intimidation.  

If the guidelines now say that only top posting is acceptable then that is 
great because none of the top-posters are going to use those guidelines to 
bully people.  None of the top-posters are going to claim that the guidelines 
are rules and not really guidelines at all.  

Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Brian Barker 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 8:42

At 06:40 23/02/2012 -0900, Marc Grober wrote:
> Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines ...

I don't get involved in these disputes, mainly because they are characterised 
by intransigence and _ad hominem_ arguments - and I won't do so now.  But you 
simply cannot expect to argue based on a falsehood!  When you wrote this, the 
guidelines (at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette ) did not suggest 
top posting, but rather anything but:

> ... please do interspersion with trimming [...]. For a simple reply, this is 
> equivalent to bottom-posting. So, remove extraneous material, and place your 
> comments in logical order, after the text you are commenting upon.

But since then someone has changed this to remove any sort of guidance at all.  
Perhaps you made the change?!  Or perhaps the original culprit did?  It's a fun 
system - isn't it? - when those who are directed to guidelines and find they 
don't like them simply change them!

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[Carlo Strata]

Il 22/02/2012 20:41, Mirosław Zalewski ha scritto:

On 22/02/2012 at 20:19, Tom Davies  wrote:


Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will
top-post because that is what they are most familiar with.

Perhaps you have encountered that somewhere:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

In my entire life I have never seen any mailing list or Usenet group with so
much top-posting and unneeded quotes as this one. Since this is user support
group, it should be just ignored in most cases (we want to help user, not
bully them). But I think that people who often write to group should adapt to
basic mailing etiquette. It isn't that hard, really.


I hate bottom (!) posting because I think it is the most unnatural one!

When I speak to you I normally answer to your question without (!) 
repeating your question first!!! This is "The natural way", isn't it???


When I read one mail (in a mailing list too!!!) I normally have already 
red all the previous ones!!! All the previous ones!!!
If I failed to do it, I already would have to know that I'll must start 
from bottom... Full stop, imho!


I think bottom posting is born only (!) to enable people to start 
reading a thread from any point and not from the start... But what we 
yield is far from be a "natural way"...: when I read one mail I expect 
to read the answer to the the previous one, that is supposed to already 
be red!


My 2 euro cents! ;-)

Carlo

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[Stefano Fraccaro]

Hi Marc,
I think that the main question is : want you help someone in this 
list or not?  In Italy we say that "No one is born master"... I' a 
software developer but I don't know all languages that are available in 
the world. Each person expresses their thoughts to the best of their 
abilities... and if you are a "master" you need to understand that. A 
master that is an island is not useful... you can tell me about your 
knowledge, maybe I can tell you about my patience  :)
If you hate messages that need long scroll down... simply ignore them, 
but remember that user mailing lists are used worldwide by "juveniles" 
(if I'm an advanced user, I don't need a mailing list)   ;-)



Il 23/02/2012 16.40, Marc Grober ha scritto:

One reason I am not more involved in this community is the incessant whining 
from the juveniles. Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines 
as my comment would not be really benefitted by a long scroll down a thread of 
shame, lol Chin up, Tom, and hope that some may find Apache a snugger fit 
;-) I rarely take much notice of those focused on puffing themselves up; lack 
of O2 usually brings them to their senses.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] bubble chart problems!

[Sven Sternberger]

Hello!

On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 18:01 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Perhaps your data is not complete? Bubble charts need at least three 
> columns: x and y, and area. The x and y columns determine together the 
> position and the area column the circle area (in respect to equal scaled 
> axes). You may have a forth column with text (at first position) for labels.

I think my data is complete, I'm not sure what you mean with "in respect
to equal scaled axes". But I tried now and increased one value by factor
500, then the rest looks okay. 

How it look
http://www.desy.de/~sternber/bubble1.png

Here with one value increased
http://www.desy.de/~sternber/bubble2.png

the ods:
http://www.desy.de/~sternber/bubble.ods


maybe the bubble chart is not the best tool to visualize theses data.

The problem was btw. to show the bandwith or latency in a cluster.
so x and y are computer and the circle shows in this example show the
latency.

many thanks for you help and best regards!

sven

> axes
> 
> If the area column is missing the x-values are used as default. Have a 
> look at the dialog page 'data series' in the dialog 'data range' to see 
> the roles and set their ranges.
> 
> Kind regards
> Regina
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting

[Brian Barker]

At 06:40 23/02/2012 -0900, Marc Grober wrote:

Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines ...


I don't get involved in these disputes, mainly because they are 
characterised by intransigence and _ad hominem_ arguments - and I 
won't do so now.  But you simply cannot expect to argue based on a 
falsehood!  When you wrote this, the guidelines (at 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette ) did not suggest top 
posting, but rather anything but:


... please do interspersion with trimming [...]. For a simple reply, 
this is equivalent to bottom-posting. So, remove extraneous 
material, and place your comments in logical order, after the text 
you are commenting upon.


But since then someone has changed this to remove any sort of 
guidance at all.  Perhaps you made the change?!  Or perhaps the 
original culprit did?  It's a fun system - isn't it? - when those who 
are directed to guidelines and find they don't like them simply change them!


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] ot:Artha

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
Sounds good.  It's a bit sad that we all have to use MS formats in order to 
communicate.  Of course i disagree with your thoughts about Odf but there is 
enough room in the world for both opinions.  Your thoughts are as valid as 
anyone elses.
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Fri, 24/2/12, Doug  wrote:

From: Doug 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ot:Artha
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 24 February, 2012, 7:51

On 02/24/2012 02:13 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> When you see a word with a red-wriggly line under it then right-click on it 
> and near the bottom of the menu is "Add to dictionary".  It works in Windows 
> and Gnu&LInux but Mac probably has an equivalent. 
> If you run the spell-check on the entire document then when your name gets 
> picked-on as being a mis-spelling the "Add to dictionary" button is in the 
> lower half of the pop-up dialogue-box.  I think "Ok" and "Cancel" are at the 
> top but look lower down. 
> Either way is good. 
> Word-perfect is good apparently.  It's been a couple of decades since i last 
> used it but i used to really like it.  Just out of curiosity do you save 
> documents in
> 1. Wp formats and if so can MS Office 2010 read them happily?
> 2. Odf formats, any problems?
> 3. MS formats that everyone can read?  Do they work?  Do you use the older 
> Doc rather than DocX?
> 
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
OK on the spell-check word addition.  Some  things I like about WP:  It does 
quotation marks, both single and double,  apostrophies, inch-marks and 
foot-marks just about perfectly.  It can read and write almost any format. It 
has a quick way to get to all kinds of
symbols and foreign characters, quite a bit beyond what you can get with a 
Compose key or AllChars. I wish Corel would once
again sell a Linux version--the original one cannot be loaded onto a modern 
Linux system.

To answer the question:  If I am writing  to send on the Internet, I use MS 
.doc format.  If I am writing for my own purposes,
for example, to write a letter that will go in snail-mail, I usually use the WP 
format.  I never use .odf; I believe that you should use
formats that other people besides Linux-users can read.  I wish .odf would just 
go away; there;s no need for it.

--doug

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