[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Stay on Top property

2012-08-06 Thread Mourad Hedfi
Hello,
 I want to lunch LO from the command line et bring its window to the top to
be the first  shown window.

Best regards.


2012/8/5 j_taylo...@btinternet.com

 quote author='Mourad Hedfi'
 Hello everyone,

 I'm using LibreOffice under Mac OS throught an application. For that, I
 want to lunch LibreOffice as a demon.
 But my problem is what I must to change to let LibreOffice Stay on top of
 the Window.
 Many thanks in advance to your help.

 I use a Mac, System 10.8 with LOffice 3.5.5.3
 I do not understand what you mean by Launch as Demon?
 If you want LO to be ever present, then launch .it  and have it permanent
 in the Dock.

 Tink.


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[libreoffice-users] paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread carlamarion
I want to replace two paragrah endings punctuation marks by one, because I
want to replace white lines.
How do I do that?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Errr, delete one of the pair?  My guess is that it is not so simple as you make 
it sound tho.  

Is it something to do with paragraph styles?  Note that if a normal enter 
creates an extra wide gap then try
Shift Enter
to see if that is closer to what you want.  Note that Ctrl Enter creates a new 
page but shift enter is kinda less than a normal proper enter, so it's not a 
good idea to use it all the time but it can be handy to help work out what's 
going on or for one-off oddities to get a better fit on the page.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl
Subject: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 7:43

I want to replace two paragraph endings punctuation marks by one, because I
want to replace white lines.
How do I do that?

Carla

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[libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 06.08.2012 08:43, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote:

I want to replace two paragrah endings punctuation marks by one, because I
want to replace white lines.
How do I do that?

Carla

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EditFindReplace...
[More Options]
[X] Regular Expressions
Search: ^$
Replace with nothing


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Of course make a back-up (just a normal copy) of your file before taking our 
advice.  I think Andreas might have meant replace 
^$^$
with
^$
to reduce all the doubles with a single rather than to remove all paragraph 
marks.
Regards from
Tom :)  



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From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 10:28

Am 06.08.2012 08:43, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote:
 I want to replace two paragrah endings punctuation marks by one, because I
 want to replace white lines.
 How do I do that?

 Carla

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[libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 06.08.2012 11:43, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Of course make a back-up (just a normal copy) of your file before taking our 
advice.  I think Andreas might have meant replace
^$^$


Contrary to you, I know very well what I mean and I use test what I suggest.
I bet, you don't even have LibreOffice installed.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Brian Barker

At 10:43 06/08/2012 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

Am 06.08.2012 08:43, Carla Marion wrote:
I want to replace two paragraph endings punctuation marks by one, 
because I want to replace white lines.  How do I do that?


I think Andreas might have meant replace
^$^$
with
^$
to reduce all the doubles with a single rather than to remove all 
paragraph marks.


No: as usual, you have it wrong; he meant what he wrote.  The user 
wants to remove what she calls white lines - actually empty 
paragraphs.  The circumflex character anchors the pattern to the 
beginning of a paragraph and the dollar sign to the end of a 
paragraph.  So ^$ matches an empty paragraph.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 06/08/2012 at 11:43, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I think Andreas might have meant replace ^$^$
 with
 ^$
 to reduce all the doubles with a single rather than to remove all paragraph
 marks.

That's how things works in MS Office. In LibreOffice we actually have regular 
expressions (they are quite handicapped in compare to what, for example, perl 
has to offer, but it's still better than MS own pseudo-standard).
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Hmm, is backing up a bad idea?

There are some people here that never make mistakes but it's unlikely that will 
always be true for all of them.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 11:16

Am 06.08.2012 11:43, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Of course make a back-up (just a normal copy) of your file before taking our 
 advice.  I think Andreas might have meant replace
 ^$^$

Contrary to you, I know very well what I mean and I use test what I suggest.
I bet, you don't even have LibreOffice installed.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc Pivot Table format preservation

2012-08-06 Thread Zappaz

Andreas Säger wrote
 
 The number formats are taken from the source cells. Anything else can be
 set in the styles that are generated for the pivot tables.
 


Hi Andreas, thanks for your reply.  

Unfortunately the formatting of the cells in question does not carry forward
to the pivot table cells.  For example, I have a column of cells that is
formatted as [h]:mm, and when the cells in this column are used in the 'data
fields' section as 'Sum - Hours', the resulting pivot table number format is
numeric (decimal), and I need to format the cells in [h]:mm format each and
every time I refresh the pivot table to make sense of these numbers as a
time rather than a decimal number. 

Is there something I'm missing still?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc Pivot Table format preservation

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 06.08.2012 13:06, Zappaz wrote:


Andreas Säger wrote


The number formats are taken from the source cells. Anything else can be
set in the styles that are generated for the pivot tables.




Hi Andreas, thanks for your reply.

Unfortunately the formatting of the cells in question does not carry forward
to the pivot table cells.  For example, I have a column of cells that is
formatted as [h]:mm, and when the cells in this column are used in the 'data
fields' section as 'Sum - Hours'


Works as advertised: 
http://www.mediafire.com/file/v566f93tu6o77kd/time_pilot.ods




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Because he is a genius and has done a lot of exploring.  There is some 
documentation and it's possible to google-search a lot of things but experience 
and genius trumps all.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 6/8/12, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote:

From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 12:03

Yes, you are right! How do you know how to type the invisible marks in Libre
Office?

Carla

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Verzonden: maandag 6 augustus 2012 12:31
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Onderwerp: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

On 06/08/2012 at 11:43, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I think Andreas might have meant replace ^$^$
 with
 ^$
 to reduce all the doubles with a single rather than to remove all
paragraph
 marks.

That's how things works in MS Office. In LibreOffice we actually have
regular 
expressions (they are quite handicapped in compare to what, for example,
perl 
has to offer, but it's still better than MS own pseudo-standard).
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think you have already found the keys you need?  The ^ mark is a 
shift 6
on UK keyboards, i think the same on US ones and no idea on others.  On a UK 
keyboard the $ is on the 4.  

If you can't find them they might be in Special Characters?  Is that on the 
insert menu?
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 6/8/12, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote:

From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 12:03

Yes, you are right! How do you know how to type the invisible marks in Libre
Office?

Carla

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Verzonden: maandag 6 augustus 2012 12:31
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Onderwerp: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

On 06/08/2012 at 11:43, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I think Andreas might have meant replace ^$^$
 with
 ^$
 to reduce all the doubles with a single rather than to remove all
paragraph
 marks.

That's how things works in MS Office. In LibreOffice we actually have
regular 
expressions (they are quite handicapped in compare to what, for example,
perl 
has to offer, but it's still better than MS own pseudo-standard).
-- 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Dan

carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote:

Yes, you are right! How do you know how to type the invisible marks in 
LibreOffice?

Carla


Things like this are done with regular expressions. Help has a list of regular 
expressions that you can use.


--Dan



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Onderwerp: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

On 06/08/2012 at 11:43, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


I think Andreas might have meant replace ^$^$
with
^$
to reduce all the doubles with a single rather than to remove all

paragraph

marks.


That's how things works in MS Office. In LibreOffice we actually have
regular
expressions (they are quite handicapped in compare to what, for example,
perl
has to offer, but it's still better than MS own pseudo-standard).




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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-06 Thread anne-ology
   Brian, that may be how your computer operates; that may be how other
computers operate, but each of the computers I've had - including those
I've seen of others - operates the way I so stated  ;-)



On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.comwrote:

At 08:09 01/08/2012 -0500, Anne Noname wrote:

 if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same folder,
 rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name where it's not
 findable  ;-)


 No application does that.  Save in any application will save the revised
 document over the existing file - in the same folder.  If the document has
 not been saved, Save will give you the Save As functionality instead,
 landing you initially in whatever default folder you have configured (or
 some default if you haven't).

 What you may be doing is opening attachments from received e-mail
 messages.  Such a document will not so far have been saved by you on your
 system, so it may indeed be held in some difficult-to-find temporary folder
 and Save will save your carefully edited version in a folder which will
 be confusing and hard to find.  But the solution is simple, of course: you
 should save the document where you want it to reside before you start
 editing.  Then Save will do exactly what you need and expect.

  I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the program
 auto-saves; ...


 No: that will be a different place!  The first folder is governed by your
 e-mail application, but this one by LibreOffice.

 I trust this helps.

 Brian Barker



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread carlamarion
Yes thank you, I found the keys, but I tried to eliminate the white lines
using them and the way I did it did not work. I tried to type ^$^$ and
replace it with ^$, but it gave an error.

Carla

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Verzonden: maandag 6 augustus 2012 14:16
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Onderwerp: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

Hi :)
I think you have already found the keys you need?  The ^ mark is a 
shift 6
on UK keyboards, i think the same on US ones and no idea on others.  On a UK
keyboard the $ is on the 4.  

If you can't find them they might be in Special Characters?  Is that on
the insert menu?
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 12:03

Yes, you are right! How do you know how to type the invisible marks in Libre
Office?

Carla

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Onderwerp: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paragraph marks

On 06/08/2012 at 11:43, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I think Andreas might have meant replace ^$^$
 with
 ^$
 to reduce all the doubles with a single rather than to remove all
paragraph
 marks.

That's how things works in MS Office. In LibreOffice we actually have
regular 
expressions (they are quite handicapped in compare to what, for example,
perl 
has to offer, but it's still better than MS own pseudo-standard).
-- 
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RE: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread carlamarion
I want to get rid of the white lines which are between the paragraphs in a
document. In Windows Office I do it this way: I find and replace paragrah
ends and that works, but I can't find the way to do that in Libre Office.
I tried to do it your way, but it doesn't seem to work for me.

Carla


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Verzonden: maandag 6 augustus 2012 10:51
Aan: users@global.libreoffice.org
Onderwerp: Re: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks

Hi :)
Errr, delete one of the pair?  My guess is that it is not so simple as you
make it sound tho.  

Is it something to do with paragraph styles?  Note that if a normal enter
creates an extra wide gap then try
Shift Enter
to see if that is closer to what you want.  Note that Ctrl Enter creates a
new page but shift enter is kinda less than a normal proper enter, so it's
not a good idea to use it all the time but it can be handy to help work out
what's going on or for one-off oddities to get a better fit on the page.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl
Subject: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 7:43

I want to replace two paragraph endings punctuation marks by one, because I
want to replace white lines.
How do I do that?

Carla

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[libreoffice-users] RE: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Andreas Säger
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3999573/replace_para.png 
http://www.mediafire.com/?rr03nrkrgj47t9j



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Re: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Andrew Brager
First make sure the regular expressions box is checked (ticked as you 
Europeans say).  Then try the previously mentioned suggestion by 
Andreas.  If that still doesn't work, try and Use [:cntrl:] as your 
search string.




On 8/6/2012 1:22 PM, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote:

I want to get rid of the white lines which are between the paragraphs in a
document. In Windows Office I do it this way: I find and replace paragrah
ends and that works, but I can't find the way to do that in Libre Office.
I tried to do it your way, but it doesn't seem to work for me.

Carla





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From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl
Subject: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 7:43

I want to replace two paragraph endings punctuation marks by one, because I
want to replace white lines.
How do I do that?

Carla





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Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles

2012-08-06 Thread anne-ology
   Andrew, I so agree; it's so frustrating trying to remember the inane
naming of some things;
   and let's abolish the use of double entendre acronyms as well.



On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote:

On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:


 Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the
 feature Register true.

 Kind regards
 Regina



 I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that info.

 The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in
 the world did a name like that come from?  If it were me naming that
 feature I would of called it something like... Align Baselines.

 Is there a story or reason behind it?  If it's not a good one, I vote for
 changing the name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what
 it does (chances are slim I'll ever have to use that feature but still).
  I'm a big fan of naming things after their functions if and when it makes
 sense to do so.

 Thank you in advance.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2012-08-07 08:22, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote:

I want to get rid of the white lines which are between the paragraphs in a
document. In Windows Office I do it this way: I find and replace paragrah
ends and that works, but I can't find the way to do that in Libre Office.
I tried to do it your way, but it doesn't seem to work for me.

Carla
Hi. Have you confirmed that the white lines are not spacing above or 
below the paragraph from the paragraph style.

Right click ParagraphIndents and Spacing.

Steve



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Van: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: maandag 6 augustus 2012 10:51
Aan: users@global.libreoffice.org
Onderwerp: Re: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks

Hi :)
Errr, delete one of the pair?  My guess is that it is not so simple as you
make it sound tho.

Is it something to do with paragraph styles?  Note that if a normal enter
creates an extra wide gap then try
Shift Enter
to see if that is closer to what you want.  Note that Ctrl Enter creates a
new page but shift enter is kinda less than a normal proper enter, so it's
not a good idea to use it all the time but it can be handy to help work out
what's going on or for one-off oddities to get a better fit on the page.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl
Subject: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 7:43

I want to replace two paragraph endings punctuation marks by one, because I
want to replace white lines.
How do I do that?

Carla

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Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles

2012-08-06 Thread anne-ology
   Dan, you've been mis-informed re. newspapers.



On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

Andrew Brager wrote:

 On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:


 Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the
 feature Register
 true.

 Kind regards
 Regina



 I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that
 info.

 The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in
 the world did a
 name like that come from?  If it were me naming that feature I would of
 called it
 something like... Align Baselines.

 Is there a story or reason behind it?  If it's not a good one, I vote for
 changing the
 name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does
 (chances are slim
 I'll ever have to use that feature but still).  I'm a big fan of naming
 things after their
 functions if and when it makes sense to do so.

 Thank you in advance.



  Use LO's help to search for this term. It answers your question.
 Hint, it has to do with how newspapers have been printed.

 --Dan



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Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles

2012-08-06 Thread Andrew Brager

On 8/2/2012 8:13 AM, Dan wrote:

Andrew Brager wrote:

On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:


Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using 
the feature Register

true.

Kind regards
Regina




I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that 
info.


The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where 
in the world did a
name like that come from?  If it were me naming that feature I 
would of called it

something like... Align Baselines.

Is there a story or reason behind it?  If it's not a good one, I vote 
for changing the
name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does 
(chances are slim
I'll ever have to use that feature but still).  I'm a big fan of 
naming things after their

functions if and when it makes sense to do so.

Thank you in advance.



 Use LO's help to search for this term. It answers your question. 
Hint, it has to do with how newspapers have been printed.


--Dan

Register-true is a typography term that is used in printing. This term 
refers to the congruent imprint of the lines within a type area on the 
front and the back side of book pages, newspaper pages and magazine 
pages. The register-true feature make these pages easier to read by 
preventing gray shadows from shining through between the lines of text. 
The register-true term also refers to lines in adjacent text columns 
that are of the same height.


When you define a paragraph, Paragraph Style, or a Page Style as 
register-true, the base lines of the affected characters are aligned to 
a vertical page grid, regardless of font size or of the presence of 
graphics. If you want, you can specify the setting for this grid as a 
Page Style property.



True to traditional Unix man-page form, it makes perfect sense - once 
you read somebody else's explanation somewhere else as to what it 
means.  Failing that, re-reading it a few dozen times very slowly helps 
a bit.  I still vote for Align Baselines and damn the people still 
using the Gutenberg press.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles

2012-08-06 Thread Dan

anne-ology wrote:

Dan, you've been mis-informed re. newspapers.


 Are you sure?: http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Printing_Register-true

--Dan




On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

Andrew Brager wrote:



On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:



Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the
feature Register
true.

Kind regards
Regina




I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that
info.

The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in
the world did a
name like that come from?  If it were me naming that feature I would of
called it
something like... Align Baselines.

Is there a story or reason behind it?  If it's not a good one, I vote for
changing the
name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does
(chances are slim
I'll ever have to use that feature but still).  I'm a big fan of naming
things after their
functions if and when it makes sense to do so.

Thank you in advance.




  Use LO's help to search for this term. It answers your question.
Hint, it has to do with how newspapers have been printed.

--Dan







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[libreoffice-users] RE: paragraph marks

2012-08-06 Thread Tom
Hi :)  
Is it possible to upload the file to Nabble?  If you reply to any of the
messages then just above the bit where you are supposed to type your message
there are buttons.  Click on the More button and the top option should be
upload file.  It put s a clickable link into the message so you can add
comments before or after it.  

Obviously don't upload if it's a confidential file unless you are first able
to remove any confidential information from the file (including personal
telephone numbers, addresses, personal email addresses etc).  It's probably
easier to create a new document that has the same problem
Regards from
Tom :)




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Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename

2012-08-06 Thread Brian Barker

At 14:56 06/08/2012 -0500, Anne Noname wrote:
Brian, that may be how your computer operates; that may be how other 
computers operate, but each of the computers I've had - including 
those I've seen of others - operates the way I so stated  ;-)


Good-oh!  It follows, then, that I - along with millions of others 
with properly functioning operating systems - will not be able to help you.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles

2012-08-06 Thread anne-ology
   Andrew, you're referring to post-computers  ;-)



On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote:

On 8/2/2012 8:13 AM, Dan wrote:

 Andrew Brager wrote:

 On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:


 Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the
 feature Register
 true.

 Kind regards
 Regina



 I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that
 info.

 The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in
 the world did a
 name like that come from?  If it were me naming that feature I would
 of called it
 something like... Align Baselines.

 Is there a story or reason behind it?  If it's not a good one, I vote
 for changing the
 name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does
 (chances are slim
 I'll ever have to use that feature but still).  I'm a big fan of naming
 things after their
 functions if and when it makes sense to do so.

 Thank you in advance.



  Use LO's help to search for this term. It answers your question.
 Hint, it has to do with how newspapers have been printed.

 --Dan

  Register-true is a typography term that is used in printing. This term
 refers to the congruent imprint of the lines within a type area on the
 front and the back side of book pages, newspaper pages and magazine pages.
 The register-true feature make these pages easier to read by preventing
 gray shadows from shining through between the lines of text. The
 register-true term also refers to lines in adjacent text columns that are
 of the same height.

 When you define a paragraph, Paragraph Style, or a Page Style as
 register-true, the base lines of the affected characters are aligned to a
 vertical page grid, regardless of font size or of the presence of graphics.
 If you want, you can specify the setting for this grid as a Page Style
 property.


 True to traditional Unix man-page form, it makes perfect sense - once you
 read somebody else's explanation somewhere else as to what it means.
  Failing that, re-reading it a few dozen times very slowly helps a bit.  I
 still vote for Align Baselines and damn the people still using the
 Gutenberg press.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles

2012-08-06 Thread anne-ology
   newspapers were pre-computers therefore pre-LO  ;-)



On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

anne-ology wrote:

 Dan, you've been mis-informed re. newspapers.


  Are you sure?: http://help.libreoffice.org/**
 Writer/Printing_Register-truehttp://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Printing_Register-true

 --Dan




 On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andrew Brager wrote:


  On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:


 Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the
 feature Register
 true.

 Kind regards
 Regina



 I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that
 info.

 The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in
 the world did a
 name like that come from?  If it were me naming that feature I would
 of
 called it
 something like... Align Baselines.

 Is there a story or reason behind it?  If it's not a good one, I vote
 for
 changing the
 name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does
 (chances are slim
 I'll ever have to use that feature but still).  I'm a big fan of naming
 things after their
 functions if and when it makes sense to do so.

 Thank you in advance.



   Use LO's help to search for this term. It answers your question.
 Hint, it has to do with how newspapers have been printed.

 --Dan



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Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles

2012-08-06 Thread Dan



On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

Andrew Brager wrote:



  On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:




Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the
feature Register
true.

Kind regards
Regina




I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that
info.

The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in
the world did a
name like that come from?  If it were me naming that feature I would
of
called it
something like... Align Baselines.

Is there a story or reason behind it?  If it's not a good one, I vote
for
changing the
name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does
(chances are slim
I'll ever have to use that feature but still).  I'm a big fan of naming
things after their
functions if and when it makes sense to do so.

Thank you in advance.




   Use LO's help to search for this term. It answers your question.
Hint, it has to do with how newspapers have been printed.

--Dan



anne-ology wrote:


 Dan, you've been mis-informed re. newspapers.





 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:


  Are you sure?: http://help.libreoffice.org/**
Writer/Printing_Register-truehttp://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Printing_Register-true

--Dan


 anne-ology wrote: newspapers were pre-computers therefore pre-LO  ;-)

 Strange, it seems that you did not read what is contained in the link above nor does 
it seem that you searched for the term in LO's help. It has noting to do with what 
predates what. Well you would know this if you had done your assignment. This term is in 
current use today.

 So what is this strike 2, or is it strike 3, you're out?  ;-)

--Dan


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register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Andrew Brager

On 8/6/2012 4:53 PM, Dan wrote:



On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

Andrew Brager wrote:



  On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:



Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by 
using the

feature Register
true.

Kind regards
Regina






anne-ology wrote:


 Dan, you've been mis-informed re. newspapers.





 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:


  Are you sure?: http://help.libreoffice.org/**
Writer/Printing_Register-truehttp://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Printing_Register-true 



--Dan


 anne-ology wrote: newspapers were pre-computers therefore 
pre-LO  ;-)


 Strange, it seems that you did not read what is contained in the 
link above nor does it seem that you searched for the term in LO's 
help. It has noting to do with what predates what. Well you would know 
this if you had done your assignment. This term is in current use today.

 So what is this strike 2, or is it strike 3, you're out?  ;-)

--Dan




Dan or anyone else,

Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation 
outside of LO that supports the theory espoused?  I tried, I was unable 
to find anything.  I'm sure it's probably true, but I'm from Missouri 
when it comes to some things.  (For those that don't know, Missouri is 
nicknamed the show me state.)





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Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 07/08/2012 at 02:40, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote:

 Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation 
 outside of LO that supports the theory espoused?

That register true is for adjust to baseline or whatever?

Take any book about typography. I can cite at least three different book titles 
from memory that will support it. But they are all in Polish, so I doubt they 
will be much of use here.
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Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Doug

On 08/06/2012 08:58 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 07/08/2012 at 02:40, Andrew Bragerapb3...@bak.rr.com  wrote:


Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation
outside of LO that supports the theory espoused?

That register true is for adjust to baseline or whatever?

Take any book about typography. I can cite at least three different book titles
from memory that will support it. But they are all in Polish, so I doubt they
will be much of use here.

ROTFL!  --doug

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Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Dan

Doug wrote:

On 08/06/2012 08:58 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 07/08/2012 at 02:40, Andrew Bragerapb3...@bak.rr.com  wrote:


Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation
outside of LO that supports the theory espoused?

That register true is for adjust to baseline or whatever?

Take any book about typography. I can cite at least three different book titles
from memory that will support it. But they are all in Polish, so I doubt they
will be much of use here.

ROTFL!  --doug



http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/lswiki.nsf/dx/General_Glossary_ls301

I found this link. You will have to search down through this article. Lotus, I believe is 
an IBM product as in Lotus Symphony. It has the same two paragraphs that LO and AOO have.


--Dan

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Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 07/08/2012 at 03:05, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:

 ROTFL!

Do you care to elaborate what have you found so funny?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress: Why does bold font in full screen look ugly?

2012-08-06 Thread Michael Wu
   Please disable the hardware acceleration ( Tools  Options 
LibreOffice  View  Graphics output ) to see if it helps.

   Regards,

Michael

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 Impress: Why does bold font in full screen look ugly?
 
 Hi everyone,
  I found an annoying issue with bold fonts in full screen mode.
 They look normal when I zoom in many times in editing mode but become
 stretched in full screen mode.
 They also look normal in font manager or in libreoffice write
 
 
 PS: the font is copied from Windows
 
 regards,
 Liang
 
 edit mode zoomed:
 [image: Inline image 1]
 
 full screen mode:
 [image: Inline image 2]
 


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Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Doug

On 08/06/2012 10:04 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 07/08/2012 at 03:05, Dougdmcgarr...@optonline.net  wrote:


ROTFL!

Do you care to elaborate what have you found so funny?

When you said that it would not be of much use here--there are
relatively few Americans (or Brits, either, I guess) who read Polish.
Absolutely correct, and I imagine you thought it was somewhat
humorous also.  --dm

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Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Andrew Brager

On 8/6/2012 6:47 PM, Dan wrote:

Doug wrote:

On 08/06/2012 08:58 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 07/08/2012 at 02:40, Andrew Bragerapb3...@bak.rr.com  wrote:


Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation
outside of LO that supports the theory espoused?

That register true is for adjust to baseline or whatever?

Take any book about typography. I can cite at least three different 
book titles
from memory that will support it. But they are all in Polish, so I 
doubt they

will be much of use here.

ROTFL!  --doug



http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/lswiki.nsf/dx/General_Glossary_ls301

I found this link. You will have to search down through this article. 
Lotus, I believe is an IBM product as in Lotus Symphony. It has the 
same two paragraphs that LO and AOO have.


--Dan



Again, without meaning to fan any flames or otherwise sound insulting, 
quite frankly in my opinion the link is a weak one for various reasons, 
including lack of a verifiable author with impressive sounding 
credentials.  I was looking more for something along the lines of a 
historical citation.  Perhaps a book or article about the history of the 
printing press, newspapers and/or typography.  Towards that end I looked 
at various sources for typography, none of them mention register true 
that I could find. A google search on register true turns up only the LO 
help page.


It's just odd to me that something that is supposed to have been in use 
for many years isn't mentioned anywhere authoritative (other than 
perhaps a few Polish books in Miroslaw's memory).  Granted the term is 
relatively obscure, but parellelepiped is in the dictionary and that 
arguably is even more obscure.  Other obscure words include 
ninnyhammer and flibbertigibbet which I've only just learned.





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Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)

2012-08-06 Thread Felmon Davis

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012, Andrew Brager wrote:


On 8/6/2012 6:47 PM, Dan wrote:

Doug wrote:

On 08/06/2012 08:58 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 07/08/2012 at 02:40, Andrew Bragerapb3...@bak.rr.com  wrote:


Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation
outside of LO that supports the theory espoused?

That register true is for adjust to baseline or whatever?

Take any book about typography. I can cite at least three different 
book titles
from memory that will support it. But they are all in Polish, so I 
doubt they

will be much of use here.

ROTFL!  --doug



http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/lswiki.nsf/dx/General_Glossary_ls301

I found this link. You will have to search down through this article. 
Lotus, I believe is an IBM product as in Lotus Symphony. It has the 
same two paragraphs that LO and AOO have.


--Dan



Again, without meaning to fan any flames or otherwise sound insulting, 
quite frankly in my opinion the link is a weak one for various reasons, 
including lack of a verifiable author with impressive sounding 
credentials.  I was looking more for something along the lines of a 
historical citation.  Perhaps a book or article about the history of the 
printing press, newspapers and/or typography.  Towards that end I looked 
at various sources for typography, none of them mention register true 
that I could find. A google search on register true turns up only the LO 
help page.


It's just odd to me that something that is supposed to have been in use 
for many years isn't mentioned anywhere authoritative (other than 
perhaps a few Polish books in Miroslaw's memory).  Granted the term is 
relatively obscure, but parellelepiped is in the dictionary and that 
arguably is even more obscure.  Other obscure words include 
ninnyhammer and flibbertigibbet which I've only just learned.


here is a page advertising some stuff on offset printing referring to 
'register true': 
http://www.kba.com/en/sheetfed-offset/service/upgrades/print-quality/plattenstanzen/


here is a page on a patent relating to register-true coordination of a 
printing cylinder. 
http://www.patentstorm.us/applications/20090141294/description.html


I haven't yet found a page with a good definition (but have only spent 
10 mins so far). ah, the Heidelberg glossary mentions 'register true 
in the definition of 'Folding marks', viz. Marks made to ensure 
register-true folding. Back to top 
http://www.heidelberg.com/bin/www/en/glossary/glossaryitems/f?mode=printable


perhaps also Miroslav could cite a book or two; don't see what 
difference it makes if the books are in Polish. if Missouri is the 
'show-me' state, does that require translation into Missourian?


oh look, German: Im Druckwesen versteht man unter dem Begriff 
Register, dass die Zeilen der Vorderseite mit denen der Rückseite bzw. 
die Zeilen nebeneinander liegender Spalten auf einer gemeinsamen 
Schriftgrundlinie liegen. Hält ein Text nicht Register, empfindet man 
dies insbesondere im Spaltensatz als unangenehm. 
Textverarbeitungsprogramme und DTP-Programme beherrschen die 
Registerhaltigkeit oftmals nur bedingt.


roughly and very abbreviated: 'register means that the lines on the 
front size lie on a common line with the lines on the rear side'. 
http://www.typo-info.de/registerhaltigkeit.htm


plenty of references to 'register halten' and 'registerhaltigkeit'.

obscure terms of specialized crafts I guess often don't show up in 
google or in english.


F.

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