Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

[Felmon Davis]

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)

This was the post that sent me veering off-course.  Gtk or Tk apps 
often seem to have been ported to Windows but that might just be 
because i notice them more


Regards from 
Tom :) 


I'm only familiar with pdftk as a command-line tool; thus I was 
confused by the discussion of desktop environments.


it does have a gui interface (or several?) and then there are the 
Windows and Mac versions. I don't know what is used to make the gui 
interface on Linux.


Felmon








From: Felmon Davis 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 17:15

Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem


On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote:


       Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is -
           and how to acquire it ...
              or is this something only for Linux users  ;-)


you can find information about versions for Windows at 
; looks like the 
direct link to the Windows stuff is: 



I find pdftk a god-send.

F.



       The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about
these 'glorified-typewriters'  :-)




On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Felmon Davis  wrote:

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote:




Hi Jay,

Thanks for the reply.  I'm using Linux (Slackware).  Unfortunately,
exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various
drawings that can't be omitted.

David



what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a
pdf then use pdftk.

pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one.

take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via pdftk.

the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at
the same time very simple.

Felmon




From: Jay Lozier 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400

On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote:


I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many
documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single
file.  Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert->File... on a PDF file
(I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file).

I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into
the document, but that is painful.

Is there a way to make File->Insert work, perhaps via a macro?  If not,
consider this a feature request.

David


  What OS are you using?


In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file
and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do not
know if this would less or more painful. You would have the entire file
at once but would need to format the text.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Pick any of the choices, such as 
http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center/canadian-2013-calendar
and then click on the big letters that look like they are in something that is 
a bit like a big button.  Unfortunately my favourite one, the 6 faced cube that 
you can supposedly set-up for any year, is not available yet despite having 16 
'likes'
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Luuk 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2013, 18:49
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software
> 
>
>On 13-04-2013 18:31, Dan Lewis wrote:
>>       There are templates containing calendars available here.
>> http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center?getCategories=&getCompatibility=any&sort_on=positive_ratings&path=%2FLibreOffice-Templates%2Ftemplate-center&portal_type=PSCProject&SearchableText=calendar.
>>
>>       This might help.
>
>How can i download a template from that site?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[James Knott]

Ken Springer wrote:

My friend uses Windows.


Well, we all have our faults.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Links to files on Migration to LO

[Jay Lozier]

On 04/11/2013 12:19 AM, felix wrote:

I have just converted a Calc application from the Apache OpenOffice to
LibreOffice. When I now launch the application in LO I receive a message
advising:

"This file contains links to other files. Should they be updated?"

If I select Yes I then get a further message advising:

"The following external file could not be loaded. Data linked from this file
did not get updated.
  file:///c:Users/Owner/Documents/h  "

This is repeated for files  i, l ,m ,s ,t  and x"

If I select No, the application appears to launch OK.

Does anyone have any idea what these files are and what is the consequence
of not updating them -- In fact it appears I don't have then at all.  I've
searched my system for /Documents/h etc but haven't found anything.

Thanks for any assistance

Felix


Felix,

What happens when you click "No" is Calc (or Excel) uses the 
values/results stored in the spreadsheet and does not try to update 
them. Occasionally I receive a spreadsheet from a client with links.


To link to the other spreadsheets or data sources, they must be located 
in the proper folder.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[Luuk]

On 13-04-2013 18:31, Dan Lewis wrote:

  There are templates containing calendars available here.
http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center?getCategories=&getCompatibility=any&sort_on=positive_ratings&path=%2FLibreOffice-Templates%2Ftemplate-center&portal_type=PSCProject&SearchableText=calendar.

  This might help.


How can i download a template from that site?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[Dan Lewis]

 There are templates containing calendars available here.
http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center?getCategories=&getCompatibility=any&sort_on=positive_ratings&path=%2FLibreOffice-Templates%2Ftemplate-center&portal_type=PSCProject&SearchableText=calendar.
 This might help.

--Dan

On 04/13/2013 10:15 AM, Adriam Delgado Rivero wrote:

My thesis aims to create a tool to create calendars for LibreOffice Writer 
using templates , for now on importing calendars. I think this tool will be 
very well received by the community. Greetings ... Any questions or suggestions 
please write .

- Mensaje original -

De: "Ken Springer" 
Para: users@global.libreoffice.org
Enviados: Sábado, 13 de Abril 2013 6:19:50
Asunto: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

My friend uses Windows. :-) So Evolution is out.


On 4/13/13 6:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
"Evolution" is supposedly very much like "Outlook". Evolution has Calendar and 
email as it's 2 main things.

Unfortunately most distros ship with such ancient versions of it that it's 
difficult to get help if you ever need it. Hopefully you can get the most 
recent version upstream somewhere like you would get LibreOffice from the 
LibreOffice website sometimes.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Steve Edmonds 
To: Ken Springer 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:11
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software


I rarely need to, but sometimes it would be quicker editing table properties or 
pasting html from another source.
Steve

On 2013-04-13 07:49, Ken Springer wrote:

There are two add-on for TB that let you edit HTML in the compose window. 
Stationery, and Edit HTML. I used to have them installed, but don't anymore. I 
came to the conclusion the average user shouldn't need to do this.


On 4/12/13 1:36 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

I too use Thunderbird and Lightning, Lightning syncs with my gmail
calendar which syncs with my phone. So very useful and handles multiple
calendars (mine, works, the families).

On my Mac I use Thunderbird and the standard Mac calendar program synced
with my gmail calendars.

And yes, I would like improved html editing in Thunderbird, I don't find
it mangles anything but it would be be nice to be able to "edit source
html" so to speak when you want an easy tweak that ends up not so easy.

Steve


On 2013-04-13 07:24, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

Mozilla use to have a project called Sunbird, which was the stand
alone version of Lightning, but it was dripped. I may have a copy of
it somewhere.

Still if you have Thunderbird, there is no reason why could could not
download the Lightning add-on. I have it on my desktop.

There are free stand alone appointment calendars for the Windows
environment, so there should be versions out there for your Mac OS X.

I use Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04, with the latest versions of Firefox
and Thunderbird, plus LO 4.0.2.2.


On 04/12/2013 02:47 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote:

I don't believe so, but there is a free & open-source alternative to MS
Outlook called Thunderbird. It is an e-mail client made by the same
people
who make the Firefox web browser and there is an addon available called
Lightning which adds on calendar & task support, giving you a full email
and cal / tasks support like you'd get in Outlook. I assume this is the
sort of thing you want, if not, don't hesitate to reply-all.

On Friday, 12 April 2013, Ken Springer wrote:


I'm asking this for a friend...

Is there any calendar software that will interface with LO or Open
Office,
much like MS Outlook works with MS Office?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Links to files on Migration to LO

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I had similar worries.  So far i haven't found out.  Ideally i want to save the 
file without any links to anything but i can't seem to do that!
Apols and regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: felix 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 5:19
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Links to files on Migration to LO
> 
>
>I have just converted a Calc application from the Apache OpenOffice to
>LibreOffice. When I now launch the application in LO I receive a message
>advising:
>
>"This file contains links to other files. Should they be updated?"
>
>If I select Yes I then get a further message advising:
>
>"The following external file could not be loaded. Data linked from this file
>did not get updated.
>     file:///c:Users/Owner/Documents/h  "
>
>This is repeated for files  i, l ,m ,s ,t  and x"
>
>If I select No, the application appears to launch OK.
>
>Does anyone have any idea what these files are and what is the consequence
>of not updating them -- In fact it appears I don't have then at all.  I've
>searched my system for /Documents/h etc but haven't found anything.
>
>Thanks for any assistance
>
>Felix
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Using a Button to activate Subform. Relationships

[Ian Whitfield]

Hi All

You will have seen my question to Noel about Relationships and his reply.

I just tried again as he suggested ...

Open Relationship Window.
Add my two Tables
Click on 'New Relationship' (There are no fields listed)
Select "id" in Main Table
Select "id" in Second Table
Press Close (Window does NOT close so press 'X' to close it)
(There are NO lines or any other change to the Tables display in the 
Relations Window)

Press Save
Close Window
Press Save again
Open Main Form

But I'm afraid the sub-Form does _NOT_ work still!!

Can anyone see the error I can't see??

Thanks a lot.

IanW
Pretoria RSA


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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.2 DVDs are online - both the English NA-DVD and the German one

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks Tim :)  Good work chap! :)  
Regards from
Tom :)  





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>Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.2 DVDs are online - both the English NA-DVD 
>and the German one
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>For those of you who want them, both the English NA-DVD and the German DVD is 
>now online on the DVD download page.
>
>http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=box&version=4.0.2
>
>This NA-DVD 4.0.2 DVD version is the first to have the Windows "autorun.inf" 
>added to it.  Therefore, for the Windows users, upon inserting it into the DVD 
>reader, a dialog will pop up to ask if you wish to "run" the DVD or open it 
>for use in the file manager [i.e. My Computer].  If you choose to "run" the 
>DVD, your default browser will open directly to the Install Page, for the 
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[libreoffice-users] 4.0.2 DVDs are online - both the English NA-DVD and the German one

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

For those of you who want them, both the English NA-DVD and the German 
DVD is now online on the DVD download page.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=box&version=4.0.2

This NA-DVD 4.0.2 DVD version is the first to have the Windows 
"autorun.inf" added to it.  Therefore, for the Windows users, upon 
inserting it into the DVD reader, a dialog will pop up to ask if you 
wish to "run" the DVD or open it for use in the file manager [i.e. My 
Computer].  If you choose to "run" the DVD, your default browser will 
open directly to the Install Page, for the convenience of the user.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: prevent automatic reduction of fractions

[Tom]

Hi :)
I like my answer in conjunction with Jay's but i have a feeling that Cor's
Extension (as given by Tinkerer in another thread and quoted&copied below)
is better.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  




Jay Lozier wrote
> On 04/13/2013 07:53 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Errr, you could format the cell as a text cell, perhaps just by typing in
>> '10/30
>> The ' mark lets Calc know the cell is text.
>>
>> Unfortunately i think that means the 10/30 can't be used in formulas! :( 
>> Btw Excel does the same thing jic you were wondering.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
> 
> 
> Tom,
> 
> If a1 has '10/30 entered the work around is to use value(a1) in any 
> formula that requires a1 to be a number.
> 
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> jslozier@




Tinkerer wrote
> The extension by  Cor Nouws, CT2N, "Convert Text 2 Numbers" is ideal and
> quick.
> Paste, then click on the icon in the toolbar and it is done.
> Wherever there is a number prefixed by ' the ' will be removed.
> Nothing else will be changed and your sheet looks exactly the same.
> Here is the link
> http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/ct2n-convert-text-to-number-and-dates





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Re: [libreoffice-users] prevent automatic reduction of fractions

[Jay Lozier]

On 04/13/2013 07:53 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Errr, you could format the cell as a text cell, perhaps just by typing in
'10/30
The ' mark lets Calc know the cell is text.

Unfortunately i think that means the 10/30 can't be used in formulas! :(  Btw 
Excel does the same thing jic you were wondering.
Regards from
Tom :)

Tom,

If a1 has '10/30 entered the work around is to use value(a1) in any 
formula that requires a1 to be a number.







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Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2013, 12:48
Subject: [libreoffice-users] prevent automatic reduction of fractions


Readers,

Is it possible to prevent calc from automatic reduction of fractions?
For example for a cell formatted as data type 'fraction':

10/30

becomes

1/3.

How to stop this behaviour, so that '10/30' remains the values in the cell?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[Ken Springer]

How would your calendars function?  Just a printed calendar, or more 
like events, tasks, etc.?


On 4/13/13 8:15 AM, Adriam Delgado Rivero wrote:

My thesis aims to create a tool to create calendars for LibreOffice Writer 
using templates , for now on importing calendars. I think this tool will be 
very well received by the community. Greetings ... Any questions or suggestions 
please write .

- Mensaje original -

De: "Ken Springer" 
Para: users@global.libreoffice.org
Enviados: Sábado, 13 de Abril 2013 6:19:50
Asunto: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

My friend uses Windows. :-) So Evolution is out.


On 4/13/13 6:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
"Evolution" is supposedly very much like "Outlook". Evolution has Calendar and 
email as it's 2 main things.

Unfortunately most distros ship with such ancient versions of it that it's 
difficult to get help if you ever need it. Hopefully you can get the most 
recent version upstream somewhere like you would get LibreOffice from the 
LibreOffice website sometimes.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Steve Edmonds 
To: Ken Springer 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:11
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software


I rarely need to, but sometimes it would be quicker editing table properties or 
pasting html from another source.
Steve

On 2013-04-13 07:49, Ken Springer wrote:

There are two add-on for TB that let you edit HTML in the compose window. 
Stationery, and Edit HTML. I used to have them installed, but don't anymore. I 
came to the conclusion the average user shouldn't need to do this.


On 4/12/13 1:36 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

I too use Thunderbird and Lightning, Lightning syncs with my gmail
calendar which syncs with my phone. So very useful and handles multiple
calendars (mine, works, the families).

On my Mac I use Thunderbird and the standard Mac calendar program synced
with my gmail calendars.

And yes, I would like improved html editing in Thunderbird, I don't find
it mangles anything but it would be be nice to be able to "edit source
html" so to speak when you want an easy tweak that ends up not so easy.

Steve


On 2013-04-13 07:24, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


Mozilla use to have a project called Sunbird, which was the stand
alone version of Lightning, but it was dripped. I may have a copy of
it somewhere.

Still if you have Thunderbird, there is no reason why could could not
download the Lightning add-on. I have it on my desktop.

There are free stand alone appointment calendars for the Windows
environment, so there should be versions out there for your Mac OS X.

I use Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04, with the latest versions of Firefox
and Thunderbird, plus LO 4.0.2.2.


On 04/12/2013 02:47 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote:

I don't believe so, but there is a free & open-source alternative to MS
Outlook called Thunderbird. It is an e-mail client made by the same
people
who make the Firefox web browser and there is an addon available called
Lightning which adds on calendar & task support, giving you a full email
and cal / tasks support like you'd get in Outlook. I assume this is the
sort of thing you want, if not, don't hesitate to reply-all.

On Friday, 12 April 2013, Ken Springer wrote:


I'm asking this for a friend...

Is there any calendar software that will interface with LO or Open
Office,
much like MS Outlook works with MS Office?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[Adriam Delgado Rivero]

My thesis aims to create a tool to create calendars for LibreOffice Writer 
using templates , for now on importing calendars. I think this tool will be 
very well received by the community. Greetings ... Any questions or suggestions 
please write . 

- Mensaje original -

De: "Ken Springer"  
Para: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Enviados: Sábado, 13 de Abril 2013 6:19:50 
Asunto: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software 

My friend uses Windows. :-) So Evolution is out. 


On 4/13/13 6:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote: 
> Hi :) 
> "Evolution" is supposedly very much like "Outlook". Evolution has Calendar 
> and email as it's 2 main things. 
> 
> Unfortunately most distros ship with such ancient versions of it that it's 
> difficult to get help if you ever need it. Hopefully you can get the most 
> recent version upstream somewhere like you would get LibreOffice from the 
> LibreOffice website sometimes. 
> Regards from 
> Tom :) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>  
>> From: Steve Edmonds  
>> To: Ken Springer  
>> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>> Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:11 
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software 
>> 
>> 
>> I rarely need to, but sometimes it would be quicker editing table properties 
>> or pasting html from another source. 
>> Steve 
>> 
>> On 2013-04-13 07:49, Ken Springer wrote: 
>>> There are two add-on for TB that let you edit HTML in the compose window. 
>>> Stationery, and Edit HTML. I used to have them installed, but don't 
>>> anymore. I came to the conclusion the average user shouldn't need to do 
>>> this. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/12/13 1:36 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: 
 I too use Thunderbird and Lightning, Lightning syncs with my gmail 
 calendar which syncs with my phone. So very useful and handles multiple 
 calendars (mine, works, the families). 
 
 On my Mac I use Thunderbird and the standard Mac calendar program synced 
 with my gmail calendars. 
 
 And yes, I would like improved html editing in Thunderbird, I don't find 
 it mangles anything but it would be be nice to be able to "edit source 
 html" so to speak when you want an easy tweak that ends up not so easy. 
 
 Steve 
 
 
 On 2013-04-13 07:24, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: 
> 
> Mozilla use to have a project called Sunbird, which was the stand 
> alone version of Lightning, but it was dripped. I may have a copy of 
> it somewhere. 
> 
> Still if you have Thunderbird, there is no reason why could could not 
> download the Lightning add-on. I have it on my desktop. 
> 
> There are free stand alone appointment calendars for the Windows 
> environment, so there should be versions out there for your Mac OS X. 
> 
> I use Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04, with the latest versions of Firefox 
> and Thunderbird, plus LO 4.0.2.2. 
> 
> 
> On 04/12/2013 02:47 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote: 
>> I don't believe so, but there is a free & open-source alternative to MS 
>> Outlook called Thunderbird. It is an e-mail client made by the same 
>> people 
>> who make the Firefox web browser and there is an addon available called 
>> Lightning which adds on calendar & task support, giving you a full email 
>> and cal / tasks support like you'd get in Outlook. I assume this is the 
>> sort of thing you want, if not, don't hesitate to reply-all. 
>> 
>> On Friday, 12 April 2013, Ken Springer wrote: 
>> 
>>> I'm asking this for a friend... 
>>> 
>>> Is there any calendar software that will interface with LO or Open 
>>> Office, 
>>> much like MS Outlook works with MS Office? 
>>> 
>> 
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Firefox 20.0 
Thunderbird 17.0.5 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Actually this Steve is just describing a 2 or 3 click answer.  It's technically 
easier than the importing into Draw method but sounds more complicated because 
of unfamiliarity.  The use of names of things makes it sound complicated too 
but when you get through that it's amazingly simple.  If he were with you 
showing you or in screenshot or a YouTube video you would see what he means 
more clearly
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: anne-ology 
>To: Steve Edmonds  
>Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 16:22
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
> 
>
>       This seems to be a much longer way of editing  ;-)
>
>           my way - open in LO's Draw program then edit page by page or
>within each page;
>              and/or save from the Draw program to whichever extension you
>so desire.
>
>       Well, I've always followed the KISs method - especially when it
>comes to this 'glorified typewriter'  ;-)
>
>
>
>On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Steve Edmonds
>wrote:
>
>Hi.
>> I just tried an interesting thing.
>> Uploaded a PDF with images to google drive. Right clicked the PDF and open
>> with google docs. Then the PDF was converted to a google doc and I could
>> download the PDF as an odt and edit it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On 2013-04-06 10:50, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> Ouch!  Single images are ok as you can right-click and save them or even
>>> just drag them out of the Pdf sometimes but if it's tons of logos or
>>> overlapping images then it can be a total Pita.  My cheating way was to use
>>> Gimp to import (luckily only a page or 2 at a time and only a couple in the
>>> entire thing), crop and resize, sometimes change RGB into "indexed" and
>>> then alpha channel the white-space and plonked on the page.  After a few of
>>> those people stopped sending me stuff as Pdfs! :))
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 From: David Ronis 
 To: Jay Lozier 
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013, 22:28
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem


 Hi Jay,

 Thanks for the reply.  I'm using Linux (Slackware).  Unfortunately,
 exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various
 drawings that can't be omitted.

 David



 From: Jay Lozier 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400

 On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote:

> I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many
> documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single
> file.  Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert->File... on a PDF file
> (I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file).
>
> I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into
> the document, but that is painful.
>
> Is there a way to make File->Insert work, perhaps via a macro?  If not,
> consider this a feature request.
>
> David
>
>
>  What OS are you using?

 In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file
 and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do not
 know if this would less or more painful. You would have the entire file
 at once but would need to format the text.

 --
 Jay Lozier
 jsloz...@gmail.com


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
This was the post that sent me veering off-course.  Gtk or Tk apps often seem 
to have been ported to Windows but that might just be because i notice them more
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Felmon Davis 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 17:15
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
> 
>
>On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote:
>
>>       Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is -
>>           and how to acquire it ...
>>              or is this something only for Linux users  ;-)
>
>you can find information about versions for Windows at 
>; looks like the 
>direct link to the Windows stuff is: 
>
>
>I find pdftk a god-send.
>
>F.
>
>>
>>       The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about
>> these 'glorified-typewriters'  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Felmon Davis  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Hi Jay,

 Thanks for the reply.  I'm using Linux (Slackware).  Unfortunately,
 exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various
 drawings that can't be omitted.

 David

>>>
>>> what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a
>>> pdf then use pdftk.
>>>
>>> pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one.
>>>
>>> take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via pdftk.
>>>
>>> the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at
>>> the same time very simple.
>>>
>>> Felmon
>>>
>>>
>>>
 From: Jay Lozier 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400

 On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote:

> I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many
> documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single
> file.  Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert->File... on a PDF file
> (I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file).
>
> I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into
> the document, but that is painful.
>
> Is there a way to make File->Insert work, perhaps via a macro?  If not,
> consider this a feature request.
>
> David
>
>
>  What OS are you using?

 In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file
 and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do not
 know if this would less or more painful. You would have the entire file
 at once but would need to format the text.



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>>>
>>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[Ken Springer]

My friend uses Windows.   :-)  So Evolution is out.


On 4/13/13 6:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
"Evolution" is supposedly very much like "Outlook".  Evolution has Calendar and 
email as it's 2 main things.

Unfortunately most distros ship with such ancient versions of it that it's 
difficult to get help if you ever need it.  Hopefully you can get the most 
recent version upstream somewhere like you would get LibreOffice from the 
LibreOffice website sometimes.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Steve Edmonds 
To: Ken Springer 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:11
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software


I rarely need to, but sometimes it would be quicker editing table properties or 
pasting html from another source.
Steve

On 2013-04-13 07:49, Ken Springer wrote:

There are two add-on for TB that let you edit HTML in the compose window.  
Stationery, and Edit HTML.  I used to have them installed, but don't anymore.  
I came to the conclusion the average user shouldn't need to do this.


On 4/12/13 1:36 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

I too use Thunderbird and Lightning, Lightning syncs with my gmail
calendar which syncs with my phone. So very useful and handles multiple
calendars (mine, works, the families).

On my Mac I use Thunderbird and the standard Mac calendar program synced
with my gmail calendars.

And yes, I would like improved html editing in Thunderbird, I don't find
it mangles anything but it would be be nice to be able to "edit source
html" so to speak when you want an easy tweak that ends up not so easy.

Steve


On 2013-04-13 07:24, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


Mozilla use to have a project called Sunbird, which was the stand
alone version of Lightning, but it was dripped.  I may have a copy of
it somewhere.

Still if you have Thunderbird, there is no reason why could could not
download the Lightning add-on.  I have it on my desktop.

There are free stand alone appointment calendars for the Windows
environment, so there should be versions out there for your Mac OS X.

I use Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04, with the latest versions of Firefox
and Thunderbird, plus LO 4.0.2.2.


On 04/12/2013 02:47 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote:

I don't believe so, but there is a free & open-source alternative to MS
Outlook called Thunderbird. It is an e-mail client made by the same
people
who make the Firefox web browser and there is an addon available called
Lightning which adds on calendar & task support, giving you a full email
and cal / tasks support like you'd get in Outlook. I assume this is the
sort of thing you want, if not, don't hesitate to reply-all.

On Friday, 12 April 2013, Ken Springer wrote:


I'm asking this for a friend...

Is there any calendar software that will interface with LO or Open
Office,
much like MS Outlook works with MS Office?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

[anne-ology]

   so you've joined NASA  ;-)
  they've come a long way since first landing on the moon; will you
be the first to land on each of the planets  ;-)
  in order from Mercury to Venus to Earth to Mars to Jupiter to
Saturn to Uranus to Neptune to Pluto  ;-)
 then back again  ;-)

   Well, if we're going off on a tangent ... ... ...   ;-)



On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi Anne :)
> Really don't worry about my answer!  I kinda wish i could pull it!  it's
> becoming quite interesting but is sooo far off-topic and tangential that
> it's not even in orbit of anything anymore.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* anne-ology 
> *To:* Tom Davies 
> *Cc:* Felmon Davis ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" <
> users@global.libreoffice.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:46
>
> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
>
>No apologies necessary -
>it was just me being 'cute' again  ;-)
>
>Your response might make sense to me after I figure out what's what
> on that link - still studying it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
> Hi :)
> Yes, sorry about that!  When i started writing it all seemed clear in my
> mind but then somehow i got a bit lost after the 1st sentence and never
> found my way back to solid ground.
>
> Felmon's answer said much the same i think but was much shorter and
> clearer.  Plus the link too.  Altogether much better!
> Apols and regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* anne-ology 
> *To:* Tom Davies 
> *Cc:* Felmon Davis ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" <
> users@global.libreoffice.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, 12 April 2013, 18:23
>
> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
>
>   Thanks for this summation -
>   as for now, it's 'clear as mud'  ;-)
>
>   Felmon - I'm studying the page you sent me.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Tom Davies  >wrote:
>
> Hi :)
> > Programs with tk (or more usually gtk) at the end or at the beginning are
> > for a one type of DE for Gnu&Linux.  Sometimes a G is used instead.  The
> > other main type of DE usually has K or Qt at the front of it's programs.
> >
> > Often programs have a "back-end" or "command-line" tool that does most of
> > the heavy lifting and then different "front-ends" or "Gui"s are put on
> for
> > each of the 2 main types.
> >
> > Typically we talk about families of distros but even a single distro
> might
> > have 2 or 3 versions with each one having a different type of DE.  If you
> > choose the 'wrong one' then you can choose whether to install the other
> DE
> > or get a different version of the distro that does have the 'right one'.
> > Tim at Kracked Press has somethings he likes in each of the main DEs so
> he
> > installs both.  It makes his system a bit more bloated but means he can
> use
> > choose more apps.
> >
> > DE = Desktop Environment.  The main 2 are Gnome and KDE.  Most of the
> rest
> > (Xfce, Unity, Enlightenment and probably hundreds more) tend to be able
> to
> > use front-ends written for one or the other.
> >
> > Ok, so it's not quite that simple.  2 extra wrinkles;
> > 1.  Gtk or tk are pretty rarely used but are for the Xfce DE (well really
> > a WM (=window manager (note the lower-case w)) but that is nearly a DE)
> and
> > Xfce apps work well in Gnome.  Gnome is a bit heftier (a bit more "fully
> > functionally" if you know what i mean) so it's fairly normal to find a G
> > (stands for Gnome) instead of the rarer Gtk but then that's a pain
> because
> > the app might need a 3rd front-end instead of just having 2 to reach
> > everyone.
> > 2.  Going back to seeing the K at the beginning of apps written for KDE
> > makes sense but why the Qt?  Well, until recently Qt was less streamlined
> > and was a lot of the weight in KDE.  Now it is a lot faster and lighter
> it
> > seems that Gnome or distros using Gnome have pulled it in but just not
> > quite enough of it for Tim's requirements.
> > 3.  Since Gnome often can run apps built for the 3 main DEs shouldn't
> that
> > make it the DE of choice!?  Oddly not.  It's been forked in at least 2
> or 3
> > different directions and in Ubuntu it's been replaced by Unity (which can
> > also run a lot of the Gnome, Xfce or KDE apps but is extremely unpopular
> > amongst purists)
> >
> > I hope that helps!!  I hope i got it about right too otherwise i'm going
> > to get deluged with unwanted flaming or something!  Something i like
> about
> > Gnu&Linux is the passion and that we go all sorts of different ways but
> > somehow manage to grow and learn from each other or make use of each
> others
> > achievements and even build on them (if individuals are gifted enough)
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  *From:* anne-ology 
> > *To:* Felmon Davis 
> > *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
> > *Sent:* Fri

Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large file

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I am wondering if it's the 10Mb per object that is set too low?  If you are 
combining chapters are all chapters under 10Mb?  I would hope so but they might 
have excessively large graphics in them, such as un-scaled photos which can 
easily be 2-3Mb each without even trying.   Perhaps push that 10 up even 
higher?  
Regards from
Tom :)  







>
> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 20:18
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large file
> 
>
>
>I know that a professional writer of sci-fi and fantasy novels/paper-backs 
>makes each chapter of his books a separate file, and he usually have 15 to 25 
>chapters.
>
>I too have never heard of making a document more than 50 to 100 pages per 
>file.  Just paging through it would be slow, even on my mid-range quad desktop 
>with 4 GB of RAM.  To be honest, you might really find it better to break the 
>document up by sections of no more than 50 pages or so, if possible.  I know 
>there must be a way to define the starting page number for each chapter, or do 
>the sectional page numbering in the footer - i.e. Section VII Page 35
>
>
>
>On 04/12/2013 02:30 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:
>> David,
>> That may or may not be true.  I am not familiar with the "free", etc. tools 
>> you mention, but they may be reporting system free memory, while the LO 
>> settings are limits for LO and may be topping out while there is still free 
>> system memory available.  I would take a look at the document file size and 
>> maybe triple that or more for the LO settings.  Keep in mind that the file 
>> is compressed, so you should at least double that size, assuming a nominal 
>> 50% compression.  You could count the number of graphics in your document to 
>> get the max number of graphics setting.  1600 pages is a lot.  I have many 
>> "large" documents but I don't think any of them are 1600 pages.  Maybe 
>> hundreds of pages at the most. So I don't have any experience with a 
>> document that large.  Too bad LO doesn't have a memory pool usage dialog 
>> where one could see the memory usage.  Hint, hint to the devs.  With such a 
>> tool, we wouldn't need to be guessing about these settings.  I
 suggest you try File -> Properties and select the "General" tab.  There is a 
report on the document "Size" there.  Use the "Statistics" tab to see some 
other allocations, such as number of graphics.  Use of this data may help you 
zero in on acceptable memory allocation settings.
>> Hope this helps.
>> Girvin Herr
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/12/2013 09:08 AM, David Ronis wrote:
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the reply.  In short, I'd already upped the memory options
>>> for graphics (250MB total, 10MB per object, 100 objects) and tools like
>>> free etc. show that I'm nowhere close to using all my memory (with or
>>> without swapping enabled).
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 22:04 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
 Have you attempted anything in particular to see if it allows for a
 speed improvement? For example:
 
 
 1. Check on memory usage. How high is it? Are you running out of memory?
 
 2. Change graphics settings:
 
 Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Memory
 
 Then try increasing the memory for things such as graphics objects and
 number of objects?
 
 
 On 04/11/2013 01:59 PM, David Ronis wrote:
> Hi Girvin,
> 
> Most of the graphics in the document are PDF pages that I've imported
> into Draw and then cut and pasted them into an odt file, which in turn
> is incorporated into the full document as laid out in the odm file.
> 
> Also normal scrolling of the odm document is horrendously slow as well
> (minutes to scroll to the next page and redraw).
> 
> David
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Girvin Herr 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large
> file
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:21:16 -0700
> 
> 
> On 04/10/2013 03:13 PM, David Ronis wrote:
>> I have a project managed by an odm file that ends up being ca 1600 pages
>> long and contains several OLE objects, many graphics (some comprising
>> entire pages that started out as PDFs).  I find LO unbelievably slow
>> (even on such simple things as refreshing the window after remapping
>> it).  I've turned of recording/displaying changes,  upped the graphics
>> cache numbers, set the swap directory to a ram disk, and turned off all
>> to-disk swapping; nothing helps.   This is on a 2 CPU machine with gig's
>> of ram.
>> 
>> I'm currently trying  to print the project to a file (postscript
>> format).  This takes 4-6 hours, with 1 of the CPU's running at 100% [BTW
>> is LO multi-threaded?].  The resulting postscript file is big, (about
>> 350M) but 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large file

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It might be worth asking the Documentation Team how they build-up their guides?
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: David Ronis 
>To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 20:27
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large file
> 
>
>Hi Kracked,
>
>That's what I'm doing.   I have 55 chapters in separate odt files and
>use a master document (odm) to join them together, add a table of
>contents and a cover page.  While I can't call LO's speed on some of the
>individual chapter files blindingly fast, especially on the lager ones
>with lots of graphics, it's fast enough.   The combined result is the
>issue.
>
>David
>
>
>
>On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 15:18 -0400, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
>> I know that a professional writer of sci-fi and fantasy 
>> novels/paper-backs makes each chapter of his books a separate file, and 
>> he usually have 15 to 25 chapters.
>> 
>> I too have never heard of making a document more than 50 to 100 pages 
>> per file.  Just paging through it would be slow, even on my mid-range 
>> quad desktop with 4 GB of RAM.  To be honest, you might really find it 
>> better to break the document up by sections of no more than 50 pages or 
>> so, if possible.  I know there must be a way to define the starting page 
>> number for each chapter, or do the sectional page numbering in the 
>> footer - i.e. Section VII Page 35
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/12/2013 02:30 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:
>> > David,
>> > That may or may not be true.  I am not familiar with the "free", etc. 
>> > tools you mention, but they may be reporting system free memory, while 
>> > the LO settings are limits for LO and may be topping out while there 
>> > is still free system memory available.  I would take a look at the 
>> > document file size and maybe triple that or more for the LO settings.  
>> > Keep in mind that the file is compressed, so you should at least 
>> > double that size, assuming a nominal 50% compression.  You could count 
>> > the number of graphics in your document to get the max number of 
>> > graphics setting.  1600 pages is a lot.  I have many "large" documents 
>> > but I don't think any of them are 1600 pages.  Maybe hundreds of pages 
>> > at the most. So I don't have any experience with a document that 
>> > large.  Too bad LO doesn't have a memory pool usage dialog where one 
>> > could see the memory usage.  Hint, hint to the devs.  With such a 
>> > tool, we wouldn't need to be guessing about these settings.  I suggest 
>> > you try File -> Properties and select the "General" tab.  There is a 
>> > report on the document "Size" there.  Use the "Statistics" tab to see 
>> > some other allocations, such as number of graphics.  Use of this data 
>> > may help you zero in on acceptable memory allocation settings.
>> > Hope this helps.
>> > Girvin Herr
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/12/2013 09:08 AM, David Ronis wrote:
>> >> Hi Andrew,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the reply.  In short, I'd already upped the memory options
>> >> for graphics (250MB total, 10MB per object, 100 objects) and tools like
>> >> free etc. show that I'm nowhere close to using all my memory (with or
>> >> without swapping enabled).
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 22:04 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>> >>> Have you attempted anything in particular to see if it allows for a
>> >>> speed improvement? For example:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Check on memory usage. How high is it? Are you running out of 
>> >>> memory?
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. Change graphics settings:
>> >>>
>> >>> Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Memory
>> >>>
>> >>> Then try increasing the memory for things such as graphics objects and
>> >>> number of objects?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 04/11/2013 01:59 PM, David Ronis wrote:
>>  Hi Girvin,
>> 
>>  Most of the graphics in the document are PDF pages that I've imported
>>  into Draw and then cut and pasted them into an odt file, which in turn
>>  is incorporated into the full document as laid out in the odm file.
>> 
>>  Also normal scrolling of the odm document is horrendously slow as well
>>  (minutes to scroll to the next page and redraw).
>> 
>>  David
>> 
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Girvin Herr 
>>  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large
>>  file
>>  Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:21:16 -0700
>> 
>> 
>>  On 04/10/2013 03:13 PM, David Ronis wrote:
>> > I have a project managed by an odm file that ends up being ca 1600 
>> > pages
>> > long and contains several OLE objects, many graphics (some comprising
>> > entire pages that started out as PDFs).  I find LO unbelievably slow
>> > (even on such simple things as refreshing the window after remapping
>> > it).  I've turned of recording/displaying changes,  upped the 
>> 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
"Evolution" is supposedly very much like "Outlook".  Evolution has Calendar and 
email as it's 2 main things.

Unfortunately most distros ship with such ancient versions of it that it's 
difficult to get help if you ever need it.  Hopefully you can get the most 
recent version upstream somewhere like you would get LibreOffice from the 
LibreOffice website sometimes.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Steve Edmonds 
>To: Ken Springer  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:11
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calendar software
> 
>
>I rarely need to, but sometimes it would be quicker editing table properties 
>or pasting html from another source.
>Steve
>
>On 2013-04-13 07:49, Ken Springer wrote:
>> There are two add-on for TB that let you edit HTML in the compose window.  
>> Stationery, and Edit HTML.  I used to have them installed, but don't 
>> anymore.  I came to the conclusion the average user shouldn't need to do 
>> this.
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/12/13 1:36 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>>> I too use Thunderbird and Lightning, Lightning syncs with my gmail
>>> calendar which syncs with my phone. So very useful and handles multiple
>>> calendars (mine, works, the families).
>>> 
>>> On my Mac I use Thunderbird and the standard Mac calendar program synced
>>> with my gmail calendars.
>>> 
>>> And yes, I would like improved html editing in Thunderbird, I don't find
>>> it mangles anything but it would be be nice to be able to "edit source
>>> html" so to speak when you want an easy tweak that ends up not so easy.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-04-13 07:24, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
 
 Mozilla use to have a project called Sunbird, which was the stand
 alone version of Lightning, but it was dripped.  I may have a copy of
 it somewhere.
 
 Still if you have Thunderbird, there is no reason why could could not
 download the Lightning add-on.  I have it on my desktop.
 
 There are free stand alone appointment calendars for the Windows
 environment, so there should be versions out there for your Mac OS X.
 
 I use Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04, with the latest versions of Firefox
 and Thunderbird, plus LO 4.0.2.2.
 
 
 On 04/12/2013 02:47 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote:
> I don't believe so, but there is a free & open-source alternative to MS
> Outlook called Thunderbird. It is an e-mail client made by the same
> people
> who make the Firefox web browser and there is an addon available called
> Lightning which adds on calendar & task support, giving you a full email
> and cal / tasks support like you'd get in Outlook. I assume this is the
> sort of thing you want, if not, don't hesitate to reply-all.
> 
> On Friday, 12 April 2013, Ken Springer wrote:
> 
>> I'm asking this for a friend...
>> 
>> Is there any calendar software that will interface with LO or Open
>> Office,
>> much like MS Outlook works with MS Office?
>> 
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi Anne :)
Really don't worry about my answer!  I kinda wish i could pull it!  it's 
becoming quite interesting but is sooo far off-topic and tangential that it's 
not even in orbit of anything anymore.  
Regards from
Tom :)






>
> From: anne-ology 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: Felmon Davis ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:46
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
> 
>
>
>   No apologies necessary - 
>   it was just me being 'cute' again  ;-)
>
>   Your response might make sense to me after I figure out what's what on 
>that link - still studying it.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>
>Hi :)
>>Yes, sorry about that!  When i started writing it all seemed clear in my mind 
>>but then somehow i got a bit lost after the 1st sentence and never found my 
>>way back to solid ground.  
>>
>>Felmon's answer said much the same i think but was much shorter and clearer.  
>>Plus the link too.  Altogether much better!
>>Apols and regards from 
>>Tom :)  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: anne-ology 
>>>To: Tom Davies  
>>>Cc: Felmon Davis ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>>> 
>>>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 18:23
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>       Thanks for this summation -
>>>           as for now, it's 'clear as mud'  ;-)
>>>
>>>       Felmon - I'm studying the page you sent me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi :)
 Programs with tk (or more
 usually gtk) at the end or at the beginning are
 for a one type of DE for Gnu&Linux.  Sometimes a G is used instead.  The
 other main type of DE usually has K or Qt at the front of it's programs.

 Often programs have a "back-end" or "command-line" tool that does most of
 the heavy lifting and then different "front-ends" or "Gui"s are put on for
 each of the 2 main types.

 Typically we talk about families of distros but even a single distro might
 have 2 or 3 versions with each one having a different type of DE.  If you
 choose the 'wrong one' then you can choose whether to install the other DE
 or get a different version of the distro that does have the 'right one'.
 Tim at Kracked Press has somethings he likes in each of the main DEs so he
 installs both.  It makes his system a bit more bloated but means he can use
 choose more
 apps.

 DE = Desktop Environment.  The main 2 are Gnome and KDE.  Most of the rest
 (Xfce, Unity, Enlightenment and probably hundreds more) tend to be able to
 use front-ends written for one or the other.

 Ok, so it's not quite that simple.  2 extra wrinkles;
 1.  Gtk or tk are pretty rarely used but are for the Xfce DE (well really
 a WM (=window manager (note the lower-case w)) but that is nearly a DE) and
 Xfce apps work well in Gnome.  Gnome is a bit heftier (a bit more "fully
 functionally" if you know what i mean) so it's fairly normal to find a G
 (stands for Gnome) instead of the rarer Gtk but then that's a pain because
 the app might need a 3rd front-end instead of just having 2 to reach
 everyone.
 2.  Going back to seeing the K at the beginning of apps written for KDE
 makes sense but why the Qt?  Well,
 until recently Qt was less streamlined
 and was a lot of the weight in KDE.  Now it is a lot faster and lighter it
 seems that Gnome or distros using Gnome have pulled it in but just not
 quite enough of it for Tim's requirements.
 3.  Since Gnome often can run apps built for the 3 main DEs shouldn't that
 make it the DE of choice!?  Oddly not.  It's been forked in at least 2 or 3
 different directions and in Ubuntu it's been replaced by Unity (which can
 also run a lot of the Gnome, Xfce or KDE apps but is extremely unpopular
 amongst purists)

 I hope that helps!!  I hope i got it about right too otherwise i'm going
 to get deluged with unwanted flaming or something!  Something i like about
 Gnu&Linux is the passion and that we go all sorts of different ways but
 somehow manage to grow and learn from each other or make use of
 each others
 achievements and even build on them (if individuals are gifted enough)
 Regards from
 Tom :)


   --
  *From:* anne-ology 
 *To:* Felmon Davis 
 *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
 *Sent:* Friday, 12 April 2013, 16:29

 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
>>>

       Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is -
           and how to acquire it ...
               or is this something only for Linux users 
 ;-)

       The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about
 these 'glorified-typewriters'  :-)



 On Sat, Apr 6, 2013

Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I forgot the original question!  I got carried away on the tangent Anne started 
(always best to blame someone else.  Right?) by asking "what is tk?"  lol
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Felmon Davis 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:53
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
> 
>
>On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote:
>
>>       Thanks for this summation -
>
>I wonder what the original question was? I seem to have missed a part 
>of the exchange.
>
>>           as for now, it's 'clear as mud'  ;-)
>>
>>       Felmon - I'm studying the page you sent me.
>
>I hope it can be of help; I've only ever used the Linux version but I 
>imagine they aren't too different.
>
>F.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>> Hi :)
>>> Programs with tk (or more usually gtk) at the end or at the beginning are
>>> for a one type of DE for Gnu&Linux.  Sometimes a G is used instead.  The
>>> other main type of DE usually has K or Qt at the front of it's programs.
>>>
>>> Often programs have a "back-end" or "command-line" tool that does most of
>>> the heavy lifting and then different "front-ends" or "Gui"s are put on for
>>> each of the 2 main types.
>>>
>>> Typically we talk about families of distros but even a single distro might
>>> have 2 or 3 versions with each one having a different type of DE.  If you
>>> choose the 'wrong one' then you can choose whether to install the other DE
>>> or get a different version of the distro that does have the 'right one'.
>>> Tim at Kracked Press has somethings he likes in each of the main DEs so he
>>> installs both.  It makes his system a bit more bloated but means he can use
>>> choose more apps.
>>>
>>> DE = Desktop Environment.  The main 2 are Gnome and KDE.  Most of the rest
>>> (Xfce, Unity, Enlightenment and probably hundreds more) tend to be able to
>>> use front-ends written for one or the other.
>>>
>>> Ok, so it's not quite that simple.  2 extra wrinkles;
>>> 1.  Gtk or tk are pretty rarely used but are for the Xfce DE (well really
>>> a WM (=window manager (note the lower-case w)) but that is nearly a DE) and
>>> Xfce apps work well in Gnome.  Gnome is a bit heftier (a bit more "fully
>>> functionally" if you know what i mean) so it's fairly normal to find a G
>>> (stands for Gnome) instead of the rarer Gtk but then that's a pain because
>>> the app might need a 3rd front-end instead of just having 2 to reach
>>> everyone.
>>> 2.  Going back to seeing the K at the beginning of apps written for KDE
>>> makes sense but why the Qt?  Well, until recently Qt was less streamlined
>>> and was a lot of the weight in KDE.  Now it is a lot faster and lighter it
>>> seems that Gnome or distros using Gnome have pulled it in but just not
>>> quite enough of it for Tim's requirements.
>>> 3.  Since Gnome often can run apps built for the 3 main DEs shouldn't that
>>> make it the DE of choice!?  Oddly not.  It's been forked in at least 2 or 3
>>> different directions and in Ubuntu it's been replaced by Unity (which can
>>> also run a lot of the Gnome, Xfce or KDE apps but is extremely unpopular
>>> amongst purists)
>>>
>>> I hope that helps!!  I hope i got it about right too otherwise i'm going
>>> to get deluged with unwanted flaming or something!  Something i like about
>>> Gnu&Linux is the passion and that we go all sorts of different ways but
>>> somehow manage to grow and learn from each other or make use of each others
>>> achievements and even build on them (if individuals are gifted enough)
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>>   --
>>>  *From:* anne-ology 
>>> *To:* Felmon Davis 
>>> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 12 April 2013, 16:29
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
>>>
>>>       Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is -
>>>           and how to acquire it ...
>>>               or is this something only for Linux users  ;-)
>>>
>>>       The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about
>>> these 'glorified-typewriters'  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Felmon Davis  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote:


> Hi Jay,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I'm using Linux (Slackware).  Unfortunately,
> exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various
> drawings that can't be omitted.
>
> David
>

 what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a
 pdf then use pdftk.

 pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one.

 take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via
>>> pdftk.

 the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at
 the same time very simple.

 Felmon



> From: Jay Lozier 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [l

Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
I had  a feeling i was missing some wrinkles by accident and made a few 
mistakes.  There were a few wrinkles i was trying to skate over to try to make 
it simpler to understand.  

1.  I didn't know tk = tool kit, and gtk = gnome tool kit, that makes more 
sense of it to me now.  

2.  People did really seem to like the older versions of KDE and Gnome and a 
lot of people were somewhat shocked by how they both made such radical changes 
in their newer versions.  They both seem to have settled down a lot and become 
more accepted now so it might be worth leapfrogging over their .0 releases and 
going straight to their more recent versions.  Xfce is quite popular but 
perhaps that is a warning?  Perhaps they plan to do something radical?  As it 
is right now it's a tad heavier (ie more fully functional) than i expected.  
Enlightenment, Openbox, LxDE and tons of others are far, far  lighter.  I 
enjoyed Enlightenment but only used it briefly.  LxDE looked far too much like 
Windows in the implementation i used and i hated all the blues so much i 
couldn't bear it long enough to change them!  Oddly i am quite happy with Unity 
now although i can understand why others don't.  It kinda pre-empted Win8's UI 
but the implementation is less
 rammed down people's throats and gives us something a more familiar by 
default.  So if you are on Xfce can i recommend you try LxDE and Enlightenment 
(assuming it's not a pita to just quickly try them!  I'm not sure if it would 
involve compiling things and if it did i would avoid them)

3.  Superfluous or not is not the issue.  Some apps just have Qt at the front 
of their names, eg QtPartEd as the KDE equivalent of GPartEd with both using 
PartEd as their main back-end.  Other apps use a K, such as Kate; whereas Gnome 
apps use a G, such as Gedit.  

I tried to avoid mentioning apps that don't have those letters as indicators 
and i'm sure some apps accidentally use those letters without realising they 
have significance or as a deliberate attempt to buck against the 'rules'.  (not 
really rules at all of course, possibly not even unofficial guidelines)  


Gtk apps do run in KDE but they don't look pretty.  KDE gives them Win95-style 
borders and title-bars doesn't it?  My neighbour grumbles on about it as tho it 
meant the end of the world. 


The other way around, Qt on Gtk-based DEs - I'm not sure if there are still 
some Qt apps that don't run in some Gnome DE's or going wider to other 
Gtk-based ones but usually i would use the Gnome equivalent of such programs.  
I'm quite happy with Brasero, for example.  It does more than i need.  
Sometimes i even prefer GnomeBaker.  I really don't need the sophisticated 
tools built-into the KDE nearest equivalent.   


It's interesting to hear that Qt was proprietary!!  A bit of a shocker for me!  
Surely it is OpenSource by now?
Regards from 

Tom :)  





>
> From: Girvin Herr 
> 
>
>Tom,
>My 2-cents.
>
>On 04/12/2013 10:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>
>
>"tk" stands for Tool Kit, so truncating GTK (Gnome Tool Kit) is not entirely 
>proper.
>
>
>
>I have switched to Xfce, since IMHO KDE 4 is still a basket case even though 
>it is release 10 (4.10) on my Slackware 14.0 distro! From what I am hearing on 
>other forums, I am not alone in switching.  The K people had a very stable KDE 
>in 3.5 and they were only up to release 5 (3.5).  I was sorry to see that 
>stability go for an entire rewrite in KDE 4.
>
>
>> 
>> Ok, so it's not quite that simple.  2 extra wrinkles;
>> 1.  Gtk or tk are pretty rarely used but are for the Xfce DE (well really a 
>> WM (=window manager (note the lower-case w)) but that is nearly a DE) and 
>> Xfce apps work well in Gnome.
>
>Not so.  From my experience, most of the apps without a "K" prefix are written 
>with GTK, so they can run on the most DEs.  I ran GTK apps on KDE.
>
>
>
>KDE is and has been, built on the QT libraries, so the QT is redundant.  K* 
>can assume QT.  Most if not all of the other DEs are built on the GTK 
>libraries.  In my experience, there are many more applications built on GTK 
>than QT.  Apps built on GTK will run on KDE, however, I am not sure apps built 
>for KDE will run on all GTK DEs.  I know for a fact that KDE apps will run 
>well on Xfce, I am doing so.  In fact, I was amazed at how well they do run.  
>The QT library was proprietary at one time (Trolltech).  I don't know if the 
>current version is.  GTK is open source (GNU) licensed.
>
>> 
>> I hope that helps!!  I hope i got it about right too otherwise i'm going to 
>> get deluged with unwanted flaming or something!  Something i like about 
>> Gnu&Linux is the passion and that we go all sorts of different ways but 
>> somehow manage to grow and learn from each other or make use of each others 
>> achievements and even build on them (if individuals are gifted enough)
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>> 
>Yours in enlightenment.
>Girvin Herr
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: pasting numbers into Calc (summary)

[Tinkerer]

The extension by  Cor Nouws, CT2N, "Convert Text 2 Numbers" is ideal and
quick.
Paste, then click on the icon in the toolbar and it is done.
Wherever there is a number prefixed by ' the ' will be removed.
Nothing else will be changed and your sheet looks exactly the same.
Here is the link
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/ct2n-convert-text-to-number-and-dates



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Re: [libreoffice-users] prevent automatic reduction of fractions

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Errr, you could format the cell as a text cell, perhaps just by typing in 
'10/30
The ' mark lets Calc know the cell is text.  

Unfortunately i think that means the 10/30 can't be used in formulas! :(  Btw 
Excel does the same thing jic you were wondering.  
Regards from
Tom :)





>
> From: e-letter 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2013, 12:48
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] prevent automatic reduction of fractions
> 
>
>Readers,
>
>Is it possible to prevent calc from automatic reduction of fractions?
>For example for a cell formatted as data type 'fraction':
>
>10/30
>
>becomes
>
>1/3.
>
>How to stop this behaviour, so that '10/30' remains the values in the cell?
>
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[libreoffice-users] prevent automatic reduction of fractions

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Readers,

Is it possible to prevent calc from automatic reduction of fractions?
For example for a cell formatted as data type 'fraction':

10/30

becomes

1/3.

How to stop this behaviour, so that '10/30' remains the values in the cell?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] has there been a change in "computing for enough room" during install?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good question.  The devs list might have more idea.
Regards from 
Tom :)





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> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
>To: LibreO - Users Global  
>Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2013, 0:19
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] has there been a change in "computing for enough 
>room" during install?
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>I was wondering if there has been some changes in how LO 4.0.2 deals with 
>"computing" to see if there is enough room on the drive for the new install.
>
>I went from 4.0.1.2 to 4.0.2.2 on Windows and it has taken over 5 minutes for 
>the laptops to deal with this step.  One was Win7 Professional and the other 
>was Home Premium.  Both are on dual core laptops. Both are in the mid-range 
>for processor speeds.
>
>I am upgrading to 4.0.2 on the Win7/Pro system, right now, and had to wait 
>over 5 minutes, I wonder if something has changed.  It has never taken more 
>than 2 minutes to do this "computing process" on this laptop.  It has over 60 
>GB free and the Win7/HomePre one has over 200 GB free, it is strange that it 
>is taking so long for this part of the install process.  Yes, the disks have 
>been defragged and both system have at least 3GB RAM.
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