Re: [libreoffice-users] CRITBINOM function description is wrong

[Sérgio Marques]

2013/7/22 Mihovil Stanic 

>  Thank you for help Brian and Regina.
> Sergio, can you please open bug report then and CC Andras so he can fix it?
>
>
I don´t have an bugzilla account. Can You do it? Or someone with an account
there.

What needs to be fixed is:


UI:

File: sc/source/ui/src.po
Context:

scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_KRIT_BINOM 1 string.text


 Comment:

o6CUv


Border arguments of the binomial distribution.

To:
 Context:

scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_CRIT_BINOM 1 string.text
 Returns the smallest value for which the cumulative binomial distribution
is greater than or equal to a criterion value.

Help files:
 File:


scalc/01.po
Context:

04060183.xhp par_id3149254 49 help.text
Comment:


yXdFy


From:

Returns the smallest value for which the
cumulative binomialdistribution is less than or equal to a criterion value.


To

Returns the smallest value for which the
cumulative binomialdistribution is greater than or equal to a criterion va
lue.


 If someone could do it I would appreciate it.



http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#CRITBINOM


 Regards





>  Best regards,
> Mihovil
>
> Dana 22.7.2013. 17:21, Brian Barker je napisao:
>
>
> It hardly necessary to do any testing: cumulative probability
> distributions start at zero and finish at one.  Zero is always going to be
> less than any criterion value, so any result is going to correspond to the
> start of the distribution and be trivial.  The original correspondent must
> be right: "greater than" is surely correct?
>
> Brian Barker
>
>
>
> Dana 22.7.2013. 18:08, Regina Henschel je napisao:
>
> Hi Mihovil,
>
> Mihovil Stanic schrieb:
>
> Nice catch.
> Oasis says it's "greater then"
>
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#CRITBINOM
>
>
> That is correct. Although in the help I would not use "is greater than or
> equal to a criterion value" but "...  threshold probability" as it is used
> in explanation of "Alpha".
>
>
> MS Office says "less then" in function title description
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-functions-by-category-HA102752955.aspx?CTT=1
>
>
> Wrong.
>
>
> and then it says "greater then" in function description
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/critbinom-function-HA102753199.aspx?CTT=5&origin=HA102752955
>
>
> Correct.
>
>
> LO says "less then".
> Would be nice if someone could actually use this formula and say which
> is true. :)
>
>
> Wrong.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Some content in ODP slide appears only in slide show view of Impress, not in normal view or PDF output

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
In this sort of situation is it possible to go into the file as a though it's a 
zip-file and fix it by just editing a couple of easy things in there?  


ie
filename.odp
to
filename.zip

and then edit the xml file in there?

Would that be an easier approach to fixing a LOT of files in a big batch run?  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






>
> From: Regina Henschel 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 20:31
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Some content in ODP slide appears only in 
>slide show view of Impress, not in normal view or PDF output
> 
>
>Hi vi5u0,
>
>The document has damaged content. The error is not in LO but already in 
>the file.
>
>In detail: The document contains a lot of objects which has got an 
>attribute svg:viewbox="0 0 0 0". Having a viewbox with width and height 
>zero means, that the object is not displayed. When you try to edit the 
>objects, you will notice, that they vanish in edit view too. If I set a 
>proper width and height manually in the file souce, the upper drawings 
>are shown.
>
>The question is, how was the file generated? Most of the objects are of 
>draw:type="ooxml-rect". That suggests, that the original file was a 
>.pptx. Which application was used to convert it to .odp?
>
>Kind regards
>Regina
>
>
>
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'Stable version' Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Girvin,

Sorry for jumping in but I read this text from you:

Girvin R. Herr wrote (22-07-13 20:50)


[...]
I cannot shed any light on this specific subject, since I am not using
any 4.x LO version.  I am keeping with the stable 3.6+ series until
4.1.4+ is released.
[...]


The 4.0 series is not different from the 3.6 or 4.1 in the sense that 
you can use a third or fourth bugfix release (so 4.0.3 or 4.0.4) just as 
fine as the 3.6.4 and later the 4.1.4 .


Kind regards,
Cor

  (  Who is doing almost all his professional work on beta versions and 
release candidates ;)   )


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Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think the desktop integration packages normally get added around the time 
that beta-testing is over.  It might have happened earlier in some branches, 
such as the 4.0.0 but when beta testing it's fairly normal to find one or 2 
things are not quite finalised.  Normally you just report problem and get on 
with the rest to see if you can find anything else.  Getting bogged down with 1 
issue means you miss the chance to explore the rest.  

Thanks for testing so far though!  Good work.  Good luck with the rest! :)
Thanks and regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: sun shine 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 15:09
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
> 
>
>Girvin
>
>This is a topic I have some interest in and have been following.
>
>While I am aware of the capacity to run the soffice script from the 
>terminal and even creating a custom launcher for the Gnome, XFCE4 and in 
>Mint, Mate panels, what I am curious about is exactly why doing so is 
>even necessary in the first place?
>
>This will have been the first time in my experience of using OOo and now 
>LibO that doing this manually is necessary, and it makes me wonder what 
>value the desktop-integration package has if the user still needs to do 
>this customised approach to get the application to work.
>
>Are you able to shine any light on the matter? Is this an oversight from 
>the 4.1. beta developers, a bug, or - a feature? Similarly, any ideas 
>about why this desktop integration (which doesn't) is only geared for 
>the KDE and not for Gnome (and Gnome-like) DEs?
>
>Thanks for any insights you can share.
>
>
>
>
>
>On 21/07/13 20:47, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
>> Heinrich,
>> Have you tried bringing LibreOffice up with "soffice" in a terminal 
>> shell, or unambiguously, "/opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice" (less 
>> quotes, of course)?
>> If that works, then you could manually add a link in your menu or at 
>> least an icon on your desktop.
>> soffice is the main libreoffice program or, more accurately, script, 
>> that invokes the other programs (Writer, Calc, etc.). If that program 
>> is not run first, then the others may not be initialized properly to run.
>>
>> You could also run writer, calc, etc. from a terminal and see what 
>> messages are output from it. They may give you a clue as to why it 
>> isn't running properly. But my bet is on soffice.
>>
>> FYI: "soffice" is a legacy name from the StarOffice days. Maybe some 
>> day the devs will get around to changing that - unless it would break 
>> something.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>> Girvin Herr
>>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is it a Draw document/picture or an Impress slide-show?  If so the extra panes 
are for fairly crucial things you are likely to need when editing.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: jumper46 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 16:50
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window
> 
>
>Is there a function to automatically size several documents (as they are
>brought into focus) into a single display window?  In Windows, one is adding
>panes to the window.  I wish  to eliminate having to resize every document
>each time I add or remove another in the display.
>
>Jumper
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration

[Girvin R. Herr]

Heinrich,
I am sorry.  I misunderstood your intent.  Yes, it does seem like a bug 
and should be addressed. 

I cannot shed any light on this specific subject, since I am not using 
any 4.x LO version.  I am keeping with the stable 3.6+ series until 
4.1.4+ is released.  Then I may try it, depending on the complaints I 
see on this forum.  That is just my computer policy.


As for desktop integration (DI) being kde-specific, I don't think that 
is the case.  Yes, there were, and still are in the 3.6 series, several 
versions of desktop integration for the different desktop environments 
(DEs).  However, I just checked my 3.6.6.2 version and there are now 
only three: freedesktop, mandriva, and suse.  There is no kde or 
gnome-specific version and the freedesktop DI seems to be the coming 
standard  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ , with mandriva and suse the 
final holdouts in the 3.6.6.2 case.  So, I suspect if you select 
freedesktop for your gnome DE, it should work for you.  It works for my 
KDE DE.  In fact, gnome and kde are now so similar in API (Application 
Programming Interface) that they will run each others' apps (kde and 
gtk) and share the desktop directories/links, if not the menus.  You may 
have also read the reply to this thread that the LO 4.1 series no longer 
has separate DI rpm package files, but has the DI integrated into the 
main package. I suspect that integration is the freedesktop DI, but that 
is just a guess.


The bottom line is that this problem you are experiencing - not being 
able to run the main LO program or any of the sub-apps -  does seem like 
a bug to me.  Not being able to select a particular DI, may not be a 
bug, but just evolution.


Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr


sun shine wrote:

Girvin

This is a topic I have some interest in and have been following.

While I am aware of the capacity to run the soffice script from the 
terminal and even creating a custom launcher for the Gnome, XFCE4 and 
in Mint, Mate panels, what I am curious about is exactly why doing so 
is even necessary in the first place?


This will have been the first time in my experience of using OOo and 
now LibO that doing this manually is necessary, and it makes me wonder 
what value the desktop-integration package has if the user still needs 
to do this customised approach to get the application to work.


Are you able to shine any light on the matter? Is this an oversight 
from the 4.1. beta developers, a bug, or - a feature? Similarly, any 
ideas about why this desktop integration (which doesn't) is only 
geared for the KDE and not for Gnome (and Gnome-like) DEs?


Thanks for any insights you can share.





On 21/07/13 20:47, Girvin R. Herr wrote:

Heinrich,
Have you tried bringing LibreOffice up with "soffice" in a terminal 
shell, or unambiguously, "/opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice" (less 
quotes, of course)?
If that works, then you could manually add a link in your menu or at 
least an icon on your desktop.
soffice is the main libreoffice program or, more accurately, script, 
that invokes the other programs (Writer, Calc, etc.). If that program 
is not run first, then the others may not be initialized properly to 
run.


You could also run writer, calc, etc. from a terminal and see what 
messages are output from it. They may give you a clue as to why it 
isn't running properly. But my bet is on soffice.


FYI: "soffice" is a legacy name from the StarOffice days. Maybe some 
day the devs will get around to changing that - unless it would break 
something.


Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr






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Re: [libreoffice-users] CRITBINOM function description is wrong

[Mihovil Stanic]

Thank you for help Brian and Regina.
Sergio, can you please open bug report then and CC Andras so he can fix it?

Best regards,
Mihovil

Dana 22.7.2013. 17:21, Brian Barker je napisao:


It hardly necessary to do any testing: cumulative probability 
distributions start at zero and finish at one.  Zero is always going 
to be less than any criterion value, so any result is going to 
correspond to the start of the distribution and be trivial. The 
original correspondent must be right: "greater than" is surely correct?


Brian Barker




Dana 22.7.2013. 18:08, Regina Henschel je napisao:

Hi Mihovil,

Mihovil Stanic schrieb:

Nice catch.
Oasis says it's "greater then"
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#CRITBINOM 





That is correct. Although in the help I would not use "is greater than 
or equal to a criterion value" but "...  threshold probability" as it 
is used in explanation of "Alpha".




MS Office says "less then" in function title description
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-functions-by-category-HA102752955.aspx?CTT=1 





Wrong.



and then it says "greater then" in function description
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/critbinom-function-HA102753199.aspx?CTT=5&origin=HA102752955 





Correct.



LO says "less then".
Would be nice if someone could actually use this formula and say which
is true. :)


Wrong.

Kind regards
Regina 



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[libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window

[jumper46]

Is there a function to automatically size several documents (as they are
brought into focus) into a single display window?  In Windows, one is adding
panes to the window.  I wish  to eliminate having to resize every document
each time I add or remove another in the display.

Jumper



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Re: [libreoffice-users] CRITBINOM function description is wrong

[Brian Barker]

At 14:18 22/07/2013 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

From: Mihovil Stanic:

Dana 22.7.2013. 1:44, Sérgio Marques je napisao:

File: scalc/01.po
Context: 04060183.xhp par_id3149254 49 help.txt
Comments: yXdFy
Returns the 
smallest value for which the cumulative 
binomial distribution is less than or equal to a criterion value.

Should be:
Returns the 
smallest value for which the cumulative 
binomial distribution is greater than or equal to a criterion value.


Also in:
File: sc/source/ui/src.po
Context:
scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_KRIT_BINOM 1 string.text
Comments: o6CUv
Should be:
Context:
scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_CRIT_BINOM 1 string.text


Nice catch.
Oasis says it's "greater then"
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#CRITBINOM

MS Office says "less than" in function title description
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-functions-by-category-HA102752955.aspx?CTT=1

and then it says "greater than" in function description
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/critbinom-function-HA102753199.aspx?CTT=5&origin=HA102752955

LO says "less than".
Would be nice if someone could actually use 
this formula and say which is true. :)


If anyone could try out this weird function and 
let us know what the results are then the 
documentation and translators teams might be 
able to describe it correctly.  So far  Oasis 
doesn't seem to know what it does and MS can't 
decide what their equivalent function does either!


It hardly necessary to do any testing: cumulative 
probability distributions start at zero and 
finish at one.  Zero is always going to be less 
than any criterion value, so any result is going 
to correspond to the start of the distribution 
and be trivial.  The original correspondent must 
be right: "greater than" is surely correct?


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration

[sun shine]

Girvin

This is a topic I have some interest in and have been following.

While I am aware of the capacity to run the soffice script from the 
terminal and even creating a custom launcher for the Gnome, XFCE4 and in 
Mint, Mate panels, what I am curious about is exactly why doing so is 
even necessary in the first place?


This will have been the first time in my experience of using OOo and now 
LibO that doing this manually is necessary, and it makes me wonder what 
value the desktop-integration package has if the user still needs to do 
this customised approach to get the application to work.


Are you able to shine any light on the matter? Is this an oversight from 
the 4.1. beta developers, a bug, or - a feature? Similarly, any ideas 
about why this desktop integration (which doesn't) is only geared for 
the KDE and not for Gnome (and Gnome-like) DEs?


Thanks for any insights you can share.





On 21/07/13 20:47, Girvin R. Herr wrote:

Heinrich,
Have you tried bringing LibreOffice up with "soffice" in a terminal 
shell, or unambiguously, "/opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice" (less 
quotes, of course)?
If that works, then you could manually add a link in your menu or at 
least an icon on your desktop.
soffice is the main libreoffice program or, more accurately, script, 
that invokes the other programs (Writer, Calc, etc.). If that program 
is not run first, then the others may not be initialized properly to run.


You could also run writer, calc, etc. from a terminal and see what 
messages are output from it. They may give you a clue as to why it 
isn't running properly. But my bet is on soffice.


FYI: "soffice" is a legacy name from the StarOffice days. Maybe some 
day the devs will get around to changing that - unless it would break 
something.


Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr




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[libreoffice-users] CRITBINOM function description is wrong

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If anyone could try out this weird function and let us know what the results 
are then the documentation and translators teams might be able to describe it 
correctly.  So far  Oasis doesn't seem to know what it does and MS can't decide 
 what their equivalent function does either!
Regards from 

Tom :)  





>
> From: Mihovil Stanic 
>To: l...@global.libreoffice.org; documentat...@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 6:48
>Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] CRITBINOM function 
>description is wrong
> 
>
>Nice catch.
>Oasis says it's "greater then"
>http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#CRITBINOM
>
>MS Office says "less then" in function title description
>http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-functions-by-category-HA102752955.aspx?CTT=1
>
>and then it says "greater then" in function description
>http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/critbinom-function-HA102753199.aspx?CTT=5&origin=HA102752955
>
>LO says "less then".
>Would be nice if someone could actually use this formula and say which 
>is true. :)
>
>Best regards,
>Mihovil
>
>
>Dana 22.7.2013. 1:44, Sérgio Marques je napisao:
>> File: scalc/01.po
>> Context: 04060183.xhp par_id3149254 49 help.txt
>> Comments: yXdFy
>>
>> Returns the smallest value for which the
>> cumulative binomial distribution is less than or equal to a criterion value.
>> 
>>
>> Should be:
>>
>> Returns the smallest value for which the
>> cumulative binomial distribution is greater than or equal to a criterion
>> value.
>>
>>
>> Also in:
>>
>>   File:
>>
>>
>> sc/source/ui/src.po
>> Context:
>>
>> scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_KRIT_BINOM 1 string.text
>> Comments:
>>
>>
>> o6CUv
>>
>>
>>   Should be:
>>
>>
>>   Context:
>>
>> scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_CRIT_BINOM 1 string.text
>>
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Kerning issue with LIbreOffice 4 and Helvetica font

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
iow thanks for the report.  No need to file a bug-report about it as there 
already is one.  Please install 4.0.4 to replace your 4.1.0.
Thanks, apols and regards form 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Alex Thurgood 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 7:56
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Kerning issue with LIbreOffice 4 and 
>Helvetica font
> 
>
>Le 18/07/2013 20:17, pfrost a écrit :
>
>Hi Patrick,
>
>> In LibreOffice 4.1.0.1, if I open a document containing Helvetica font and
>> export to PDF, the Helvetica font has horrible kerning--almost all spaces
>> between words are removed, making the PDF very difficult to read. If I open
>> the same document in LibreOffice 3.4.5, it exports to PDF just fine--spaces
>> between words are easy to identify making the quote easy to read.Is this a
>> known issue with LibreOffice 4? Is there a simple fix?I'm attaching a sample
>> doc which contains Helvetica font and the resulting PDF.Best regards,Patrick
>
>There is a known bug report about this for LO 4.1.0.1, but I don't have 
>it to hand right now.
>
>Alex
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[libreoffice-users] 2 news clippings of interest

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
2 articles of interest covering topics we frequently discuss at length on this 
list.  These articles provide stats and links to reinforce many of the various 
points of view put forwards by many people here (even (or especially?) the ones 
i disagree with).  


75% (approx) of LO's devs are volunteers, around 12% are paid devs from various 
companies, for some weird reason 12% is attributed to OOo.  Apache OO have 
their own sliver.  Of the paid devs 50% are from SuSE.  (note to self to give 
openSuSE a test drive soon).  It would be interesting to see a similar doughnut 
from Apache
http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/developers7.jpg

>From 

http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/developers6.jpg
only around 12% of the current code is  untouched OOo code!!  Around 1/3rd of 
the cleaner, newer code has been provided by volunteers.  25% by SuSE employees 
and another 25% by RedHat employees.  The remainder provided by an interesting 
list of companies of which i've only heard of Canonical and Apache (err and 
Codeweavers (oh and Intel of course)) but all seem to be 'quite' important.  


Two of the comments at the bottom of Italos post really kinda bug me
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/07/22/getting-close-to-libreoffice-4-1/
They seem to be trying to turn the debate into being about a single side-issue, 
some irrelevant person's personal agenda.  The response that refutes it just 
draws more attention to the single issue.  It would be great if future posts 
just ignored those and made positive statements about LibreOffice and TDF as a 
whole or addressed points raised in the article itself.  Such a positive and 
informative article deserves respect rather than a flame-war!

Actually looking around at many articles about LibreOffice i notice that quite 
a few are sidelined by blatant attempts to start flame-wars or comments that 
make it difficult to post links to the articles in family-friendly 
environments.  If only the comments were at all related to the articles, 
perhaps developing reasoned debate about the issues discussed!  With the 4.0.0 
release i meant to go around and give supportive User Support to people that 
posted question about how to do this or that or fix something.  Mostly i 
planned to just give them links to AskLO, this mailing list and to the wiki or 
documentation on the official site.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






>
> From: Charles-H. Schulz 
>To: market...@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 9:38
>Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] 2 news clippings of interest
> 
>
>Today we have Italo's pre-announcement of the 4.1 and a rather personal
>one at that (which I can totally relate to):
>http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/07/22/getting-close-to-libreoffice-4-1/
>
>And a TechRepublic article on LibreOffice Base, which is also good:
>http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/doityourself-it-guy/diy-create-a-database-form-in-libreoffice-base-design-view/
>
>Enjoy,
>-- 
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>Co-founder & Director, The Document Foundation,
>Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany
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Re: [libreoffice-users] opening powerpoint files restart the computer

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
As we keep pointing out Win7 and Windows generally is a bit of a resource hog.  


1 more stick of 1Gb Ram would probably help.  Better to get 2 new sticks as a 
matched pair so that you can get an additional 10% bump on performance.  Better 
still if you can get sticks that are about as fast as your mbord can handle.  A 
decent power supply might help but don't go crazy with it unless you plan to 
use it in a future hardware-upgrade.  350 Watt is usually plenty but you might 
find something that is more energy efficient and doesn't draw so much mains 
power if it's not using much.  A new fan might help especially if you can 
re-arrange existing ones to push out more at the back or through the top of the 
case.  

Alternatively just install Ubuntu or Mageia or something like that as a 
dual-boot alongside your Win7.  They use so much less resources that you will 
find the machine runs a lot more quietly, less hot, much faster and quiet 
possibly drawing so much less power that your Usb ports become quiet usable 
again.  

The 'new' or acquired hardware route should cost under £100.  Trying a 
different OS is likely to be free.  


There are plenty of people on this list that could help you install one of the 
Gnu&Linux OSes although i suspect that each person has their own idea of what 
might be best for you.  Generally i would recommend taking various different 
ones for a test-drive before committing yourself to installing one.  Generally 
it is better to do this using a Usb-stick but it can be done with a Cd or Dvd 
drive.  Most Gnu&Linux "distros" allow you to run a "LiveCd session" to test 
drive their OS.  When you have tried a few then you might notice you prefer the 
look&feel of some but others work better with your hardware.  It doesn't really 
matter which one you install first as they all work much the same as each other 
and it's fairly easy to move from one to another later on, after you have 
become more accustomed to what your needs are.  Some people install a different 
one each week but that's a bit extreme.  Others stay with just one for a 
decade.  Most of us are
 in the middle somewhere.  

A LiveCd session leaves no trace on your computer.  It should pick-up on all 
the hardware that you have plugged in at the time and be able to find your 
internet connection.  Sometimes some of them need a little coaxing.  Some 
people use LiveCd sessions regularly for safer internet banking or to repair 
systems while others use them just to test-drive different systems.  Your ISP 
still logs everything you do in just the same way as they would in Windows so 
avoid breaking any 'local' laws in the same way as normal.  

Oddly i find it's the cheapest blank Cds you can buy that are better for this.  
I think more expensive CDs are more highly tuned for data-storage rather than 
for running an OS.  I've even had really expensive Cds fail and then 1 from a 
cheap pack of 20 (the packs that cost less than a small(ish) lump of bad 
cheese) worked fine.  

On 1 machine the Cd-drive appeared to be almost completely dead in Windows but 
i managed to get a tiny Gnu&Linux distro called SLiTaz (30Mb) onto the Cd.  
Then i booted the "LiveCd" of that.  It's so tiny that you can even take the Cd 
out while still running the "LiveCd session" (it's really running entirely 
inside Ram without even touching your hard-drive or Cd-drive).  With SLiTaz the 
Cd-drive was rock-solid so i was able to make a Cd of Ubuntu.  Then because 
Ubuntu had been made using the same Cd-drive i was finally able to boot-up a 
"LiveCD session" of Ubuntu.  The LiveCd session usually allows you to install 
the OS and if so then it usually allows you to play simple games while you are 
waiting for the installer to do the next thing.  On more advanced hardware you 
could be doing emailing, watching a movie, playing a game and surfing the 
internet all while doing the installing but that's a bit extreme.  

The 1st thing is to try a few different LiveCd sessions so you can find out 
what you prefer the look of, and which works better and which you are happier 
using as your first.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






>
> From: Andrew Brown 
>To: Demétrio Soares  
>Cc: Tom Davies ; Gabriel Risterucci 
>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 8:44
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] opening powerpoint files restart the computer
> 
>
>Hi Demétrio
>
>As I suspected, I've been in IT since 1976, so a lot of experience helps 
>with a good gut feel. Yes an old system, but as you say it suffices for 
>your current needs. I would suspect you system is using DDR2 memory 
>applicable for hardware at the time.
>
>What you could do, as a cheap and helpful upgrade is see if you can get 
>your hands on another stick of 1GB RAM, it should not break the bank, as 
>DDR2 RAM is still available. As you indicated, you have 1.5MB of RAM, so 
>I can deduce from that that you have a 1GB stick, and a 500GB stic

Re: LO 3.6.x or 4.0.x on WIn7 Re: [libreoffice-users] Need a screenshot... LO 4.1.0 on WIn7

[M Henri Day]

2013/7/21 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Many thanks :)  Lqtm.  It's been quite a while since i was last involved
> in something that developed so fast that different people were on different
> time-lines and threads got a tad confusing!
>
> Thanks also to others that contributed to this thread.
>
> Given how fast all this was done if anyone here is able to join the Docs
> Team to help them with screen-shots that would be great.  To avoid
> potential copyright issues they tend to take almost all screen-shots in
> Gnu&Linux but i think they still need a couple done in Windows.  Some were
> done in Mac just because that happened to be what the author was using at
> the time but again there might be some potential for copyright issues.  So
> Gnu&Linux is just the preferred platform if it's easy enough.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

Tom, I can confirm that taking such screenshots is a breeze in such GNU
Linux distros as Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Just send a heads-up in the event

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] opening powerpoint files restart the computer

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Demétrio

As I suspected, I've been in IT since 1976, so a lot of experience helps 
with a good gut feel. Yes an old system, but as you say it suffices for 
your current needs. I would suspect you system is using DDR2 memory 
applicable for hardware at the time.


What you could do, as a cheap and helpful upgrade is see if you can get 
your hands on another stick of 1GB RAM, it should not break the bank, as 
DDR2 RAM is still avialable. As you indicated, you have 1.5MB of RAM, so 
I can deduce from that that you have a 1GB stick, and a 500GB stick, the 
latter is all you need to replace, to use your motherboards maximum 
capability of 2GB RAM.


The other issue I can see and I am sure I will be right, now that you 
have furnished more info, is that using too many USB ports are causing a 
problem too. This indicates that you current power supply unit (PSU) in 
the chassis, is at it's limits (i.e. could be a 200watt or 250watt unit, 
or aged (2003!!!) so the components (mainly those called capacitors), 
are burnt and leaking), thus causing the hard shutdown when you plug a 
device into the USB ports, or run an intense program with a data file. 
And yes the power demand does increase, from an idle state, when 
programs are opened and manage a data file. This power demand is then 
compounded when you use an external device, especially one that demands 
power from the USB port, and not from an external PSU.


Again a little money spent on a new PSU will probably fix all of your 
issues and return your USB ports back to full functionality, along with 
a stable old PC.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 22/07/2013 01:48 AM, Demétrio Soares wrote:

Hi and thanks for the prompt responses,


reboot is "hard" (instant black screen) using 2 usb 2.0, yeah Andrew 
must be right: old machine low resources, after i installed windows 7 
i could no


longer use my external disc on the 2 front usb ports 1.1, instant hard 
reboot aswell, struggling and avoiding buying a new pc since


 i can still do almost everything in this one, not a gamer...normally 
all usb ports work and system is ok, just isn't a racer.


Max ram this Motherboard accepts is 2GB... Asrock K8Upgrade bought 2003 ~

The powerpoint files open fine on an Asus 10" running XP, 32bits, 1GB 
ram, with Office 2007 portable...


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Andrew Brown > wrote:


Hi Gabriel

I agree, you make some valid points, but the MS hive (collection
of the boot code plus apps running in memory in one big monolith
file, unlike the Linux kernel with separate "clients" commucating
with the kernel, all separate), is not as robust as we would like
to believe, even in Windows 7 and 8. So as you covered in your
reply, any bad data files forcing it's host app, as in this case
LO with a presentation data file, to exceed it's memory
boundaries, will cause the processor and microcode to force a
reboot intentionally or accidentally, due to creating instability
with the rest of the memory content, the hive. This is the
weakness of the MS way of doing things.

As to my coverage of malware in the data files, it could cause a
system crash and reboot, if the malware code is written badly or
incomplete.

I also noticed that Demétrio Soares is running Windows 7 32 bit on
only 1.5MB of RAM, this in itself could be the problem. Although
Windows 7  can run on  1.5GB of RAM, it is recommended to run it
on at least 2GB, and even better with 3 or 4GB. The 4GB will be a
bit of a waste as a 32bit system can only see a physical max of
3.2GB, so installing 4GB would not see or use the last 800MB (as
layman terms as I can explain it). With only 1.5GB of RAM, the O/S
is using at least 1GB of this RAM leaving 500MB for apps and data
file, so I would also expect a system crash if the data file was a
large one. As an example I am using Windows 7 64bit with 6GB of
RAM, and I am consuming 35% (2GB) of this RAM right now as I type
this email, Thunderbird open, Firefox open, and not much else
except some system resources running.

Regards

Andrew Brown

On 21/07/2013 06:25 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote:

While it's totally true that malicious code might be embedded in
anything (especially ms formats... but we won't talk about this
:)), I doubt it would trigger a reaction as bad as a reboot,
especially under recent OS.
Crashing a user program is very unlikely to cause a system
reboot, except if it call some regular reboot code, that would
trigger a "clean" reboot, windows closing and stuff. Most likely
output is simply the program crashing/getting in an unstable state.

As I said, it's not completely ruling out the possibility of a
catastrophic crash caused by some code issue, but it's fearly
reasonnable to suppose that loading this file make LO expand to
use more memory than usual, touching a fault