[OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] stopping superscript text in Calc

[Dave Barton]

Tim Deaton wrote:
> On 10/13/2013 4:11 PM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> 8<-- snip -->8
>>
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: John R. Sowden
>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 8:21 PM
>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] stopping superscript text in Calc
>>>
>>> Been having the problem for a long time.  Using Calc, I write a date,
>>> Oct 23rd, (I add the rd which shows as a superscript. Problem is
>>> whenever I add new text to the cell, it is in the superscript size, not
>>> regular text.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I took the list's advise of turning off the superscript function. If
>>> enough people are aggravated by the anomaly, it will be adjusted.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>> Just for the record, it is not necessary to follow John's more extreme
>> solution.
>>
>> For recent versions of LO (eg. 4.1.2.3) placing a full stop/period/dot
>> or comma immediately after the superscript rd reverts any following text
>> to normal size.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
> I understand the "period/dot or comma", but what is a "full stop"?
> - Tim

A "full stop" is the same as a "period" or a "dot".

Quote from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop

"A full stop (British English, Hiberno-English, Australian English,
Indian English, South African English, Sri Lankan English and New
Zealand English) or period (American English and Canadian English) is
the punctuation mark placed to indicate the end of sentences. In the
context of web addresses and computing in general, it is typically
called a dot."

Dave



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Re: [libreoffice-users] stopping superscript text in Calc

[Tim Deaton]

On 10/13/2013 4:11 PM, Dave Barton wrote:

8<-- snip -->8


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: John R. Sowden
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 8:21 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] stopping superscript text in Calc

Been having the problem for a long time.  Using Calc, I write a date,
Oct 23rd, (I add the rd which shows as a superscript. Problem is
whenever I add new text to the cell, it is in the superscript size, not
regular text.

John



I took the list's advise of turning off the superscript function. If
enough people are aggravated by the anomaly, it will be adjusted.

Thanks,
John

Just for the record, it is not necessary to follow John's more extreme
solution.

For recent versions of LO (eg. 4.1.2.3) placing a full stop/period/dot
or comma immediately after the superscript rd reverts any following text
to normal size.

Dave




I understand the "period/dot or comma", but what is a "full stop"?
- Tim

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing LibreOffice Updates In Linux

[Help_Please]

Thanks for the reply.

I believe that I will still continue to manually remove LibreOffice then,
install the new version.

I did use the "purge" in the past installs.  Maybe the next install I will
fore go using the "purge" option.

Michael





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> On 10/13/2013 10:39 PM, Help_Please wrote:
> > I am currently running v4.1.2.3 on my copy of Linux Mint Cinnamon.  No
> > problem to speak of regarding this.  However, my question is this 
>  from
> > what I have seem (searched) online about installing LibreOffice on 
> Linux, I
> > saw a requirement to uninstall/remove any previous version of 
> LibreOffice
> > before installing the new version using the Terminal.  is this still
> > necessary?  Thanks.
> >
>
> I do not know if it is still needed for going from 4.1.2 to 4.1.3, but
> it should be done for things like 4.0.5 to 4.1.2.
>
> There may be issues with "launch menus" and other parts of the setup
> that could be negatively affected by not uninstalling LO before the new
> version is installed.
>
> What I do is always uninstall first, just to be safe.
>
> Of course, if you are getting your install from the OS repository, then
> they do the work for you.
>
> I use the following command
> sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*
>
> if you use "purge" it will remove all of the config files, but you may
> not want to do that.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Retrieve a specific message from the ML

[Ady]

> On 13/10/2013, Ady  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to retrieve a specific message from the mailing list (so
> > to reply to it), by sending an empty message to
> >  " users+ge...@global.libreoffice.org "
> >
> > as per the help from " users+h...@global.libreoffice.org ".
> >
> > I have already sent a mail according to the specific msg number I
> > want to retrieve, but have not received an answer.
> >
> > If the msg number would be, say, 12345, is
> >  " users+get-12...@global.libreoffice.org "
> >
> 
> Assuming your are referring to digest mode, all is correct. Sometimes
> the delay to receive the retrieved message is quite long (> 10 minutes
> at a guess).
> 

No, I'm not referring to digest mode.

I am referring to "nomail" mode, and then retrieving specific 
messages by using .

The problem: there is no way to know the desired correct "N" for 
someone subscribed by  
so to be able to retrieve it.

There are several ways to  _read_ messages. There is no effective way 
to _retrieve_ a specific message (since the correct "N" is unknown to 
a "nomail" subscribed user).

To the Admin(s) of the ML,
 any answer to this question?

TIA,
Ady.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts

[Ken Springer]

On 10/14/13 6:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/14/13 3:37 PM, Mark Bourne wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote:

2013/10/14 Ken Springer 





Not sure if it's the same one, but I've found this handy for finding
Unicode characters:
 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/

It doesn't show the whole range in one table, as that would be quite
some table, but you can view a whole block at once. Not all fonts
contain all Unicode characters, so you may find that some of the more
esoteric characters don't display properly or at all.



That's not the page I was writing about, but I've bookmarked it.  Thanks.


I found the page I was looking for, http://unicode.org/charts/.  That 
page made me realize I've got to learn more about today's font files. 
If you check one of there fonts, say this one, 
http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf, that's the type of simple chart 
I'm looking for, except for one missing item.  For character 0002 which 
is the space, I'd like the word "space" to be associated with the 
character in the chart.  That tells me what the character is called in 
plain English, i.e. "space", "em square", "decimal sign", etc.  Then it 
should be easier to check the font I wish to use to see if it contains 
the extended characters/ligatures/etc. I need/want to use.


I used to really be into typography, but it was in the ASCII days, 
around the Windows for Workgroups time.



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[libreoffice-users] Win XP Windows Installer Error - what was he fix again?

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

It has been a bit, so I do not remember what the fix is. . .

I have Win XP Pro SP3 system that gives me the Windows Installer error
telling me that something is wrong with the Windows Installer, when I
try and install LO 4.0.5 for Windows.

I know that there is some fix out there.

So could someone tell me what that fix was?
I need to get LO installed on that system.

It is a 3+ GHz dual core desktop with 2 GB of Ram and more than enough
drive space.

I just installed XP Professional SP2 and then installed SP3 and over 120
XP updates.

But it seems that I may need to see if there is a newer Windows
Installer package or some other fix.

BUT, MS's web site really does not let you find what you really need for
XP systems easily.  I could not find, online, a copy of SP3 so I could
get the updates, then I remembered I had it on a CD in a drawer.  So
having to wade through their XP-unfriendly site to try to find a new
installer would be really hard or impossible.

SO
does anyone remember the fix for this Installer error?
anyone know of the like to better XP version of one?

I do not want to have to put MSO 2003 onto that system.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts

[Ken Springer]

On 10/14/13 3:37 PM, Mark Bourne wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote:

2013/10/14 Ken Springer 


Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.


​Ha. Things were even simpler, english used only 7bits for useful
characters...​


Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary
fonts?

   Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex
than I'm
looking for.



I don't know of an exact solution that would allow you to both specify a
font and a set of characters, but on most systems you can get some
kind of
character maps to display characters using a specific font. For
example on
windows, ​​you can run the "charmap" program. I don't remember the name,
but I know there is something similar under KDE/Linux.



  From you posting, you use Mac, correct?


I am.  But when I read Gabriel's post, I realized I'd forgotten to
include a link, which is now in a follow up post.  But here it is again:
   http://www.asciitable.com/


I am not using Mac, but there has to be some font viewer available for
Mac.

What are you looking to do with it?


Make money   LOL, I'm on a roll here.

On the serious side...  If you look at the ASCII table link, you can see
that it's easy to scan the char column until you find "space" for
instance, then know the Dec code is32.

I just want to do similar for all the characters in a contemporary font.
   Then I know the "code" to use for that extended character.  I found a
website, which sadly I can't find now, even with History in the browser,
that had a plethora of charts.  Thought I'd bookmarked it, but also
apparently not.  :-(


Not sure if it's the same one, but I've found this handy for finding
Unicode characters:
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/

It doesn't show the whole range in one table, as that would be quite
some table, but you can view a whole block at once. Not all fonts
contain all Unicode characters, so you may find that some of the more
esoteric characters don't display properly or at all.



That's not the page I was writing about, but I've bookmarked it.  Thanks.



In another thread, I think here in LO, there was essentially a
typography discussion.  Two spaces after a period, or one?  In that
thread, I suggested trying the AutoCorrect function to get what you
want.  Now I'm going to try my own suggestion!   LOL  So, I need to know
where the em space is, and then see if I can enter that into AutoCorrect.


Using the search on the above site, searching for "em space" shows that
it's U+2003 (that's unicode character 2003 in hex, or 8195 decimal)

Mark.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font charts

[Mark Bourne]

Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote:

2013/10/14 Ken Springer 


Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.


​Ha. Things were even simpler, english used only 7bits for useful
characters...​


Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary
fonts?

  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex
than I'm
looking for.



I don't know of an exact solution that would allow you to both specify a
font and a set of characters, but on most systems you can get some
kind of
character maps to display characters using a specific font. For
example on
windows, ​​you can run the "charmap" program. I don't remember the name,
but I know there is something similar under KDE/Linux.



 From you posting, you use Mac, correct?


I am.  But when I read Gabriel's post, I realized I'd forgotten to
include a link, which is now in a follow up post.  But here it is again:
  http://www.asciitable.com/


I am not using Mac, but there has to be some font viewer available for
Mac.

What are you looking to do with it?


Make money   LOL, I'm on a roll here.

On the serious side...  If you look at the ASCII table link, you can see
that it's easy to scan the char column until you find "space" for
instance, then know the Dec code is32.

I just want to do similar for all the characters in a contemporary font.
  Then I know the "code" to use for that extended character.  I found a
website, which sadly I can't find now, even with History in the browser,
that had a plethora of charts.  Thought I'd bookmarked it, but also
apparently not.  :-(


Not sure if it's the same one, but I've found this handy for finding 
Unicode characters:

  http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/

It doesn't show the whole range in one table, as that would be quite 
some table, but you can view a whole block at once. Not all fonts 
contain all Unicode characters, so you may find that some of the more 
esoteric characters don't display properly or at all.



In another thread, I think here in LO, there was essentially a
typography discussion.  Two spaces after a period, or one?  In that
thread, I suggested trying the AutoCorrect function to get what you
want.  Now I'm going to try my own suggestion!   LOL  So, I need to know
where the em space is, and then see if I can enter that into AutoCorrect.


Using the search on the above site, searching for "em space" shows that 
it's U+2003 (that's unicode character 2003 in hex, or 8195 decimal)


Mark.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts

[Ken Springer]

On 10/14/13 1:30 PM, James Knott wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.


LMAO!!!   Forgot to include the link!

http://www.asciitable.com/


Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary
fonts?  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex
than I'm looking for.



One of the things that's making what you want more difficult to find is
unicode.  Unicode supports many thousands of characters, so it's a large
table.  You can search on unicode to find the tables.  However, you may
be going about this the wrong way.  Is there a specific set of
characters, such as for another language?  If so, you can enable other
keyboard layouts and switch among them.  For example, I have
International English enabled so that I can get a variety of symbols and
also the Greek layout for characters that are commonly used in
electronics.  I just press  to switch.


I know it's going to be more complicated, but I'm thinking more of just 
English for typography purposes, general writing and not technical writing.


An explanation is here:

news://news.gmane.org:119/l3hgnv$s2q$1...@ger.gmane.org

A different keyboard layout is something that hadn't occurred to me.  I 
may have to check that out later.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Retrieve a specific message from the ML

[e-letter]

On 14/10/2013, e-letter  wrote:
> On 13/10/2013, Ady  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am trying to retrieve a specific message from the mailing list (so
>> to reply to it), by sending an empty message to
>>  " users+ge...@global.libreoffice.org "
>>
>> as per the help from " users+h...@global.libreoffice.org ".
>>
>> I have already sent a mail according to the specific msg number I
>> want to retrieve, but have not received an answer.
>>
>> If the msg number would be, say, 12345, is
>>  " users+get-12...@global.libreoffice.org "
>>
>
> Assuming your are referring to digest mode, all is correct. Sometimes
> the delay to receive the retrieved message is quite long (> 10 minutes
> at a guess).
>

Sorry for the poor English..."...you are referring..." :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Retrieve a specific message from the ML

[e-letter]

On 13/10/2013, Ady  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to retrieve a specific message from the mailing list (so
> to reply to it), by sending an empty message to
>  " users+ge...@global.libreoffice.org "
>
> as per the help from " users+h...@global.libreoffice.org ".
>
> I have already sent a mail according to the specific msg number I
> want to retrieve, but have not received an answer.
>
> If the msg number would be, say, 12345, is
>  " users+get-12...@global.libreoffice.org "
>

Assuming your are referring to digest mode, all is correct. Sometimes
the delay to receive the retrieved message is quite long (> 10 minutes
at a guess).

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts

[James Knott]

Ken Springer wrote:
>> Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
>> various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.
>
> LMAO!!!   Forgot to include the link!
>
> http://www.asciitable.com/
>
>> Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary
>> fonts?  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex
>> than I'm looking for.
>>

One of the things that's making what you want more difficult to find is
unicode.  Unicode supports many thousands of characters, so it's a large
table.  You can search on unicode to find the tables.  However, you may
be going about this the wrong way.  Is there a specific set of
characters, such as for another language?  If so, you can enable other
keyboard layouts and switch among them.  For example, I have
International English enabled so that I can get a variety of symbols and
also the Greek layout for characters that are commonly used in
electronics.  I just press  to switch.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts

[Ken Springer]

On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote:

2013/10/14 Ken Springer 


Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.


​Ha. Things were even simpler, english used only 7bits for useful
characters...​


Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary fonts?

  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex than I'm
looking for.



I don't know of an exact solution that would allow you to both specify a
font and a set of characters, but on most systems you can get some kind of
character maps to display characters using a specific font. For example on
windows, ​​you can run the "charmap" program. I don't remember the name,
but I know there is something similar under KDE/Linux.



 From you posting, you use Mac, correct?


I am.  But when I read Gabriel's post, I realized I'd forgotten to 
include a link, which is now in a follow up post.  But here it is again: 
 http://www.asciitable.com/



I am not using Mac, but there has to be some font viewer available for Mac.

What are you looking to do with it?


Make money   LOL, I'm on a roll here.

On the serious side...  If you look at the ASCII table link, you can see 
that it's easy to scan the char column until you find "space" for 
instance, then know the Dec code is32.


I just want to do similar for all the characters in a contemporary font. 
 Then I know the "code" to use for that extended character.  I found a 
website, which sadly I can't find now, even with History in the browser, 
that had a plethora of charts.  Thought I'd bookmarked it, but also 
apparently not.  :-(


In another thread, I think here in LO, there was essentially a 
typography discussion.  Two spaces after a period, or one?  In that 
thread, I suggested trying the AutoCorrect function to get what you 
want.  Now I'm going to try my own suggestion!   LOL  So, I need to know 
where the em space is, and then see if I can enter that into AutoCorrect.


In addition, I can hopefully substitute ligatures for specific letter 
combinations.  I've installed the Typography toolbar to work with this, 
but apparently it only works with "Graphite" fonts, something I need to 
find and find out about.


Hopefully, I can get something acceptable using AutoCorrect.

I'm also going to start looking at LyX/LaTeX for better typographical 
output.  If you look at really old books, you can see the difference 
between the text in them and what you generally get with a word processor.



I know that LO has a font charting display for "insert special
character" that look good.


I've yet to find of these that I find truly easy to use.  And, maybe 
it's not possible.



If you want to print a character chart for a selected font, well most
font managers I have seen does that to some degree.

As for the KDE option - KFontView
I also use Fontmatrix on Ubuntu.

I use a paid software on Windows to get what I want though - MainType.


In the Mac OS X Tiger days, Adobe created a 32(?) page document on using 
the Mac's character chart, and that chart has always baffled me.  Most 
due to lack of knowledge on my part I'm sure, and there's really nothing 
in the help files for OS X about it.  :-(


My hunch is the character chart is totally useless to the newbie.  :-(

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts

[Ken Springer]

On 10/14/13 9:24 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.


LMAO!!!   Forgot to include the link!

http://www.asciitable.com/


Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary
fonts?  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex
than I'm looking for.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions

[Ken Springer]

On 10/14/13 10:05 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:

On 14/10/2013 17:22, Ken Springer wrote:

Hi Ken,


Is LO at all picky about where you place downloaded extensions?  If not,
is there a recommended location?


Not that I know of, you can even store them on remote storage before you
install them. The Extensions Manager doesn't seem to be particularly
picky as long as the Finder can reach them.


Thanks to Tinkerer, I found the folder it goes in.  Too bad it's not 
easily accessible to the Finder.  :-(


I say this because I thought I read in a help file somewhere all you had 
to do was place the extension in that folder and restart LO.  Which 
didn't work.  LOL  So, went to find said help file, now I can't.  That's 
not good.  



The help file for installing extensions doesn't mention storage
locations at all.  And it doesn't mention anything about downloading
from the web, except for a short blurb about repositories, which I
presume applies only to Linux.


Most of my extensions go into the Download folder by default. If I want
to install them, I open up the Extension Manager from within LO, and
navigate to the Download folder.


I don't follow today's norm for data/file storage on my computers.  Both 
this Mac and all the Windows machines I own, I create that storage 
somewhere else other than the OS partition.


Even MS, with Win7, has admitted their design isn't always a good idea.



Extensions can also be installed from the command line with the unopkg
binary.


I try to stay as far away form command lines as I can now.  It's 2013, 
not 1983,  you should not need to use a command line to accomplish a task.



Oh, yea, and there's no connection to LO's extensions page from the
extensions manager.  And the information on the extensions page is out
of date.


The connection to the Extensions site seems to work for me. If I click
on the link at the bottom of the Extensions Manager window, I get taken
to the Extensions and Templates home page on OSX 10.8.5 with LO 4. If I
click on the little icon at the bottom of the startcenter, I also get
taken to the corresponding general home page.


I missed that earlier.  They just *had* to make it small text, they 
couldn't have made it a button  Developers and web site designers 
have forgotten how to design for total newbies, which is how I look at 
all software, web sites, and OS interfaces.  As if today, humans are not 
born with the computer knowledge and skills many developers and web site 
designers seem to take for granted all users have.


I think a better design, and more consistent design of the Extension 
Manager UI would be to put the Remove button with the Add button.   :-)



Which version of LO on Mac are you using ?


Uhhh, it's in my sig???But your question did make me 
realize the LO part needed updating, and below is current.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font charts

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On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote:
> 2013/10/14 Ken Springer 
>
>> Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
>> various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.
>>
> ​Ha. Things were even simpler, english used only 7bits for useful
> characters...​
>
>
> Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary fonts?
>>  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex than I'm
>> looking for.
>>
>>
> I don't know of an exact solution that would allow you to both specify a
> font and a set of characters, but on most systems you can get some kind of
> character maps to display characters using a specific font. For example on
> windows, ​​you can run the "charmap" program. I don't remember the name,
> but I know there is something similar under KDE/Linux.
>

From you posting, you use Mac, correct?

I am not using Mac, but there has to be some font viewer available for Mac.

What are you looking to do with it?

I know that LO has a font charting display for "insert special
character" that look good.

If you want to print a character chart for a selected font, well most
font managers I have seen does that to some degree.

As for the KDE option - KFontView
I also use Fontmatrix on Ubuntu.

I use a paid software on Windows to get what I want though - MainType.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions

[Ken Springer]

On 10/14/13 9:39 AM, Tinkerer wrote:

On a Mac you will find the Extensions folder by Right clicking on
LibreOffice.app:
Go To >Show Package Contents >Contents >Share >Extensions.

Tink.


Got it.  Thanks, Tink.

Too bad somebody doesn't want you to have direct access to that folder. 
  :-(



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font charts

[Gabriel Risterucci]

2013/10/14 Ken Springer 

> Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for
> various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.
>

​Ha. Things were even simpler, english used only 7bits for useful
characters...​


Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary fonts?
>  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex than I'm
> looking for.
>
>
I don't know of an exact solution that would allow you to both specify a
font and a set of characters, but on most systems you can get some kind of
character maps to display characters using a specific font. For example on
windows, ​​you can run the "charmap" program. I don't remember the name,
but I know there is something similar under KDE/Linux.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native C Connector Extension for Linux 32, 64 and OSX 64 bit versions of LibreOffice - built against future LO 4.2

[Heinrich Stoellinger]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:09:23 +0200, Alex Thurgood  
wrote:


On 14/10/2013 17:30, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:

Hi Heinrich,


Thanks for your work! However, the connector you built does
unfortunately NOTwork on my Linux-Mint-15-LO-4.1.2.3,MySQL 5.5 system.


Which bit architecture ? 32bit or 64bit ? There is a difference in the
build sizes of the 32bit and 64bit Linux extensions, and I don't know
why, since they are built on similar base versions of Ubuntu/Mint
(13.04). The 64bit one does work apparently, since I've already had
positive feedback for that, so I guess the 32bit is doing something it
shouldn't be, or else you are missing some vital library (libstdc++ ??).


When I get some more time, I will check it out.


Alex



Hi Alex,
it is 32 bit...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MySQL Native C Connector Extension for Linux 32, 64 and OSX 64 bit versions of LibreOffice - built against future LO 4.2

[Fernand Vanrie]

On 14/10/2013 17:30, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:

Hi Alex,
Thanks for your work! However, the connector you built does 
unfortunately NOT

work on my Linux-Mint-15-LO-4.1.2.3,MySQL 5.5 system.
The one that comes integrated with LO 4.1.2.3 works in principle, but 
garbles up


is this due to the Extension or is it a problem after changing the 
datetime stuff in the API ?


Jésus Corius build a new Windows version for 4.1 , works not for XP , 
works fine for Win7 and Win8 but crasches on some (big 90.000 records)) 
tables with Timestamps and Datetime rfileds?
time fields. E.g., a time (Central Europe) of 20:30:00 is shown in 
LO-Base as
12:20:30, while it is perfectly o.k. when looking at it through the 
MySQL command-

line client.
I had to "revert" back to using the Java Connector for the time being. 
Unfortunately
I really don't have the time to go into the matter myself - at least 
not for the time

being.
Regards
Heinrich


On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:56:53 +0200, Alexander Thurgood 
 wrote:



Just a heads up to let you all know that you know that if you :

- can get your hands on a 64bit daily build of LO for OSX (this doesn't
seem available anywhere I can find at the moment);

- or a 32bit or 64bit Linux daily build ;

you might want to try the mysql native C connector extensions I have
managed to build from the current master repo, and which are available
here :

http://sourceforge.net/projects/lomysqlconnectorextension/

Note that the Linux versions were built on Ubuntu/Debian based systems.


These extensions may or may not work with current 4.1.x versions of
LibreOffice, I haven't tested them so wouldn't know.

I have not built for Windows, as I have no build machine for that and
learning to cross-compile for that particular OS does not yet represent
an itch I'm dying to scratch. I believe Jésus Corrius is preparing new
Windows-built connector extensions which should be made available via
the LO extensions website.




Alex








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[libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native C Connector Extension for Linux 32, 64 and OSX 64 bit versions of LibreOffice - built against future LO 4.2

[Alex Thurgood]

On 14/10/2013 17:30, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:

Hi Heinrich,

> Thanks for your work! However, the connector you built does
> unfortunately NOT
> work on my Linux-Mint-15-LO-4.1.2.3,MySQL 5.5 system.

Which bit architecture ? 32bit or 64bit ? There is a difference in the
build sizes of the 32bit and 64bit Linux extensions, and I don't know
why, since they are built on similar base versions of Ubuntu/Mint
(13.04). The 64bit one does work apparently, since I've already had
positive feedback for that, so I guess the 32bit is doing something it
shouldn't be, or else you are missing some vital library (libstdc++ ??).


When I get some more time, I will check it out.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions

[Alex Thurgood]

On 14/10/2013 17:22, Ken Springer wrote:

Hi Ken,

> Is LO at all picky about where you place downloaded extensions?  If not,
> is there a recommended location?

Not that I know of, you can even store them on remote storage before you
install them. The Extensions Manager doesn't seem to be particularly
picky as long as the Finder can reach them.

> The help file for installing extensions doesn't mention storage
> locations at all.  And it doesn't mention anything about downloading
> from the web, except for a short blurb about repositories, which I
> presume applies only to Linux.

Most of my extensions go into the Download folder by default. If I want
to install them, I open up the Extension Manager from within LO, and
navigate to the Download folder.


Extensions can also be installed from the command line with the unopkg
binary.

> Oh, yea, and there's no connection to LO's extensions page from the
> extensions manager.  And the information on the extensions page is out
> of date.

The connection to the Extensions site seems to work for me. If I click
on the link at the bottom of the Extensions Manager window, I get taken
to the Extensions and Templates home page on OSX 10.8.5 with LO 4. If I
click on the little icon at the bottom of the startcenter, I also get
taken to the corresponding general home page.

Which version of LO on Mac are you using ?


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: What's syntax of xforms Edit Element Constraint Condition?

[Larry Evans]

On 10/12/13 09:45, Larry Evans wrote:

I'm using LibreOffice 3.5.7.2 with Build ID: 350m1(Build:2) running on
ubuntu:

~/temp $ uname -a
Linux evansl-Inspiron-531 3.2.0-54-generic #82-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 10
20:08:42 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

When creating an XML Form Document, I'm having trouble using the
editor for my instance data.  The interface looked about like the
following:

Element ---
  Name   [Tax]
  Default Value  [.01]
Settings --
Data Type   [Floating point]
[ ] Required[Condition]
[ ] Relevant[Condition]
[ ] Constraint  [Condition]
[ ] Read-only   [Condition]
[ ] Calculate   [Condition]

I checked the Constraint row, expecting that when I then
clicked on the [Condition] button, I would be able to provide
some expression, such as:

   0 < Tax

However, when I started to enter this, I got as far as:

   0 <

and the message:

   Error during evaluation

appeared in the Result window.  When I completed the entry to arrive
at:

   0 < Tax

the message:

   False

appeared in the Result window.  So, I just tried:

   Tax

and got a blank Result window.

What sort of expression is expected in the Condition window?
The help button just sent me to:

   _Condition_

   Enter a condition

   _Result_

   Displays a preview of the result

which wasn't any help.

Thanks for any help.

-regards,
Larry



The links on page 25 of:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e3/WG4015-UsingFormsInWriter.pdf

are being a big help.

Other's might find them useful.

-Larry



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions

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On a Mac you will find the Extensions folder by Right clicking on
LibreOffice.app:
Go To >Show Package Contents >Contents >Share >Extensions.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MySQL Native C Connector Extension for Linux 32, 64 and OSX 64 bit versions of LibreOffice - built against future LO 4.2

[Heinrich Stoellinger]

Hi Alex,
Thanks for your work! However, the connector you built does unfortunately NOT
work on my Linux-Mint-15-LO-4.1.2.3,MySQL 5.5 system.
The one that comes integrated with LO 4.1.2.3 works in principle, but garbles up
time fields. E.g., a time (Central Europe) of 20:30:00 is shown in LO-Base as
12:20:30, while it is perfectly o.k. when looking at it through the MySQL 
command-
line client.
I had to "revert" back to using the Java Connector for the time being. 
Unfortunately
I really don't have the time to go into the matter myself - at least not for 
the time
being.
Regards
Heinrich


On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:56:53 +0200, Alexander Thurgood 
 wrote:


Just a heads up to let you all know that you know that if you :

- can get your hands on a 64bit daily build of LO for OSX (this doesn't
seem available anywhere I can find at the moment);

- or a 32bit or 64bit Linux daily build ;

you might want to try the mysql native C connector extensions I have
managed to build from the current master repo, and which are available
here :

http://sourceforge.net/projects/lomysqlconnectorextension/

Note that the Linux versions were built on Ubuntu/Debian based systems.


These extensions may or may not work with current 4.1.x versions of
LibreOffice, I haven't tested them so wouldn't know.

I have not built for Windows, as I have no build machine for that and
learning to cross-compile for that particular OS does not yet represent
an itch I'm dying to scratch. I believe Jésus Corrius is preparing new
Windows-built connector extensions which should be made available via
the LO extensions website.




Alex





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[libreoffice-users] Font charts

[Ken Springer]

Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for 
various things, like this simple ASCII font chart.


Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary 
fonts?  Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex 
than I'm looking for.


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[libreoffice-users] Installing extensions

[Ken Springer]

Is LO at all picky about where you place downloaded extensions?  If not, 
is there a recommended location?


The help file for installing extensions doesn't mention storage 
locations at all.  And it doesn't mention anything about downloading 
from the web, except for a short blurb about repositories, which I 
presume applies only to Linux.


Oh, yea, and there's no connection to LO's extensions page from the 
extensions manager.  And the information on the extensions page is out 
of date.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking info

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-10-12 1:44 PM, M. Osama Alghwell  wrote:

Greetings. I am using Open office since long time and since Libreoffice is
published I moved to Libreoffice, in my own laptop and at my work. I am a
CIO in a company and lately we are about to install zero clients in the
company. Therefore, we need to install the office package in the server to
be shared by all. I have the Microsoft price for the license (up to 500
users, we will start with 200 terminal) but I want your offer (which I
prefer to install and though I will install Linux in the server instead of
Windows which I don't use since 1997).

So, do you offer such product that can be installed in a server and shared
by such number of users? and if yes, will you send me your offer?

Thank you very much for your attention and looking forward to hearing from
you.


If you are going to do this on a Windows Server, unlike for Microsoft 
Office, there is ZERO cost for this (Libreoffice is free, after all), 
other than the Microsoft Licenses...


If you want to do this on a Linux server with Libreoffice, then the only 
cost will be the cost to get it set up and configured... but there would 
be no licensing or other software costs.


It sounds like what you are interested in is a LTSP (Linux Terminal 
Server Project) server... www.ltsp.org for more info


There are a number of linux distributions that have LTSP as an option...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing LibreOffice Updates In Linux

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On 10/13/2013 10:39 PM, Help_Please wrote:
> I am currently running v4.1.2.3 on my copy of Linux Mint Cinnamon.  No
> problem to speak of regarding this.  However, my question is this  from
> what I have seem (searched) online about installing LibreOffice on Linux, I
> saw a requirement to uninstall/remove any previous version of LibreOffice
> before installing the new version using the Terminal.  is this still
> necessary?  Thanks.
>

I do not know if it is still needed for going from 4.1.2 to 4.1.3, but
it should be done for things like 4.0.5 to 4.1.2.

There may be issues with "launch menus" and other parts of the setup
that could be negatively affected by not uninstalling LO before the new
version is installed.

What I do is always uninstall first, just to be safe.

Of course, if you are getting your install from the OS repository, then
they do the work for you.

I use the following command
sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*

if you use "purge" it will remove all of the config files, but you may
not want to do that.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking info

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On 2013-10-14 8:04 AM, James Knott  wrote:

M. Osama Alghwell wrote:

Greetings. I am using Open office since long time and since Libreoffice is
published I moved to Libreoffice, in my own laptop and at my work. I am a
CIO in a company and lately we are about to install zero clients in the
company. Therefore, we need to install the office package in the server to
be shared by all. I have the Microsoft price for the license (up to 500
users, we will start with 200 terminal) but I want your offer (which I
prefer to install and though I will install Linux in the server instead of
Windows which I don't use since 1997).



It was possible to install the original StarOffice so that users could
run it from a server, rather than their own computers, but it's been
years since I've looked at that.  It involved installing a small
interface portion on the users computer.  However, since there are no
licence fees, is it necessary to do that type of install.


I've actually been meaning to look into this, because I remember reading 
about that very thing.


The obvious benefit (mainly thinking about Windows networks) would be 
you only have to install and/or update the application once, then the 
local interface/user settings portion would (or should) automatically 
update itself when the main program is updated.


This would be incredibly useful - even better than pushing software 
updates out over some App Management platform/tool.


Just like right now, I have certain 'portable apps' installed to a 
network share - ie, FoxitReader, CCleaner - that everyone uses. Once 
they are 'integrated' into the users environment (ie, launch CCleaner on 
a users computer, go to Options > Settings, and check 'Add 'Run 
CCleaner...' and 'Add 'Open CCleaner...'...' options...


From that time on, all I have to do is drag the new portable version to 
the shared location, and everyone immediately sees/uses the new version 
- same for FoxitReader (although I can only replace the old version when 
no one has the current version open)...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking info

[James Knott]

M. Osama Alghwell wrote:
> Greetings. I am using Open office since long time and since Libreoffice is
> published I moved to Libreoffice, in my own laptop and at my work. I am a
> CIO in a company and lately we are about to install zero clients in the
> company. Therefore, we need to install the office package in the server to
> be shared by all. I have the Microsoft price for the license (up to 500
> users, we will start with 200 terminal) but I want your offer (which I
> prefer to install and though I will install Linux in the server instead of
> Windows which I don't use since 1997).
>

It was possible to install the original StarOffice so that users could
run it from a server, rather than their own computers, but it's been
years since I've looked at that.  It involved installing a small
interface portion on the users computer.  However, since there are no
licence fees, is it necessary to do that type of install.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] downloaded .doc file will only open as read-only

[e-letter]

On 28/09/2013, Michael Hartigan  wrote:
> I have a job application in .doc format, which LibreOffice will only open
> in read-only mode.  I need to fill in the fields and send it back to my
> prospective employer in .doc format.  I have checked the file properties
> and it is not a read-only file.

Sometimes such documents contain forms that are read-only; content can
be added but the form cannot be edited. If it is required to edit the
form (e.g. a table is mis-aligned), below are some example actions.

Save the document to the local disk
In the command terminal

libreoffice -invisible -convert-to fodt m$documentname.doc

Use a text editor to open the fodt file (m$documentname.fodt), search
for the element 'ProtectForm' and change the attribute 'type' from
"true" to "false". Save the file

In the command terminal
libreoffice -invisible -convert-to odt m$documentname.fodt

The last command is optional; converting to odt will be recognised by
non-LO software such as m$ word, otherwise use LO to export the
document to PDF if necessary.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [CALC] row_only and column_only cell references

[Ady]

> Hi :)  
> Is it possible to change the way Calc handles it's formulas by doing 
> 
> Tools - Options - Calc - Formula 
> 
> and then use the drop-down to make them use MS Excel ways.  I can't
 
The problem with this setting is that there is no explanation of what 
it really means / implies (other than "=$Sheet2.C4" vs. 
"=Sheet2!C4").

The difference between "R1C1" and "A1" is likely clear enough for 
anyone that might want / need to use it. But what are the differences 
between "Calc A1" and "Excel A1"? Are "row_only" references accepted 
when setting it to "Excel A1"?

Even if I try and test the possible difference regarding "1:1" and 
"A:A" references, I don't know what else could change. Without 
documentation, I can't know of pros and cons, or compatibility or any 
other implications of this particular setting.

> help thinking that trying to copy MS Excel at a time when they have
> finally admitted, and corrected, some very fundamental errors in their
> formulas.
> 
> Regards from  Tom :)   
> 
 
FWIW, I should point out that Excel is no the only one accepting this 
type of reference.

I'm not saying that Calc should promote "bad practices" or anything 
like it. I'm not saying that using row_only references is better in 
any way. I am not promoting its use.

But when receiving a file from other sources and it errors, it is not 
always easy to track down the problem or the incompatibility. And 
even then, it is not always possible for one user to edit and share 
the file with others.

Additionally, if a user of Calc searches for some method or formula 
to achieve something he doesn't know how to do it by himself, it is 
common to find such solution expressed in the context of other 
spreadsheet software (typically, Excel).

>From a final user's perspective, I don't see a reason not to support 
it. Of course there might be technical / development reasons, but 
this is a *users* mailing list :).

So, I left with several questions here. Hopefully, someone has some 
answer(s) or can point into the right direction?

TIA,
Ady.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [CALC] row_only and column_only cell references

[Ady]

> On 10/12/2013 07:55 AM, Ady wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been having problems with certain type of *references* in Calc.
> >
> > For example, the formula "sum(1:2)" works correctly in other
> > spreadsheet software, but it errors in Calc.
> 
> I was not aware that you could do that in any product. It is not 
> supported in Calc of which I am aware. Villeroy has a messy solution 
> (see post 6). Well, you probably should read all the posts...
> 
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9527
> 
> So, the ony soltions I have seen based on a quick search is to either 
> define a range, or to use offset.
> 
> >
> > The most problematic cases are related to functions such as
> > "indirect()", "address()" and the like. For example, the following
> > formula "should" tell whether a number in "A1" is prime or not:
> >
> > =SUMPRODUCT(1*(MOD(A1,ROW(INDIRECT("1:"&INT(A1^0.5=0))=1
> >
> > but Calc doesn't seem to accept the type of reference
> > ("ini_row:fin_row"). Instead I have to add a "column" to the
> > reference, as in:
> >
> > =SUMPRODUCT(1*(MOD(A1,ROW(INDIRECT("a1:a"&INT(A1^0.5=0))=1
> >
> > to make it work in Calc.
> >
> > There are several settings that affect the way Calc parses and shows
> > some type of cell references, so I wonder whether there is some
> > setting that I should change for Calc to be able to accept this type
> > of references ("ini_row:fin_row"), or whether this is some kind of
> > bug or lack of a feature.
> >
> > A similar issue happens with column-only references, such as
> > "sum(A:B)".
> >
> > To be clear, I'm not saying that row-only (or column-only) references
> > are better in any way. I'm just trying to make them work as in (a.k.a
> > "compatible with") other spreadsheet software.
> >
> > If there is a better place (mailing list, irc, forum,...) to ask this
> > question, please let me know.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ady.
> >
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Pitonyak

Quoting from "CG4107-FormulasAndFunctions.pdf" :
"Calc can not reference a whole column of unspecified length using 
A:A or a whole row using 1:1 
which you might be familiar with in other spreadsheet programs."

This piece of info was not so easy to find. Since other spreadsheet 
software (in fact, more than one) indeed supports "A:A: and "1:1" 
references, I thought that either Calc would support it too, or at 
least would be easier to find that it doesn't.

For example, using Calc to open some xls file with such type of 
references would end up with errors. The xls file itself would open, 
but there would be no hint about the reason for the "#ref" or "#name" 
errors (among the possible errors that this type of cell reference 
would end up with).

Regarding a workaround, once the user finds out that the problem is 
in the type of reference (which is not always evident), then by 
adding some column (or some row) to the reference would probably 
avoid the error. Other methods (e.g offset, range names) would be 
more close to the original range (complete row / column). This 
workaround is of course not always available, specially when 
receiving a spreadsheet file from someone else (originally prepared 
and saved with other programs).

I am still wondering if some setting in Calc would (or should) allow 
for this type of cell reference. For example, by using "Excel A1" 
instead of "Calc A1" in Calc -> Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice Calc 
-> Formula -> Formula syntax.

There are many different settings that might influence the accepted 
behavior, and I really don't know / understand the effect of each one 
(I didn't find any explanation of what each setting really means), so 
instead of "playing" with each possible combination, I decided to ask 
here in the ML (and not all of those settings are located in the same 
place).

If this type of cell reference is _completely_ unsupported, perhaps 
it should be mentioned in the help files (?). I would agree that 
referencing complete columns or complete rows should be rarely used, 
and discouraged, but perhaps supporting a formula that already uses 
it (specially when using or receiving files originally saved with 
other file formats) is not such a crazy idea.

So, is there any combination of settings that would help in this type 
of cases?


[off-topic]
BTW, if I may... Having separated mailing lists according to the 
program (Writer / Calc / Impress / ...) might be more adequate for 
users, specially since other methods of communication with 
LibreOffice / TDF are not really 
effectively working.
[/off-topic]

TIA,
Ady.

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[libreoffice-users] MySQL Native C Connector Extension for Linux 32, 64 and OSX 64 bit versions of LibreOffice - built against future LO 4.2

[Alexander Thurgood]

Just a heads up to let you all know that you know that if you :

- can get your hands on a 64bit daily build of LO for OSX (this doesn't
seem available anywhere I can find at the moment);

- or a 32bit or 64bit Linux daily build ;

you might want to try the mysql native C connector extensions I have
managed to build from the current master repo, and which are available
here :

http://sourceforge.net/projects/lomysqlconnectorextension/

Note that the Linux versions were built on Ubuntu/Debian based systems.


These extensions may or may not work with current 4.1.x versions of
LibreOffice, I haven't tested them so wouldn't know.

I have not built for Windows, as I have no build machine for that and
learning to cross-compile for that particular OS does not yet represent
an itch I'm dying to scratch. I believe Jésus Corrius is preparing new
Windows-built connector extensions which should be made available via
the LO extensions website.




Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Problems with curly quotes inside words in Hunspell + incorrect words in LibreOffice's English Hunspell spell checker .dic file

[michaelbeijer]

I am having some problems finding a Hunspell spell checker that can handle
smart (or curly) quotes in words such as wouldn’t, couldn’t, etc.

I noticed that many Hunspell spell checkers don’t work properly with them,
so I investigated a bit and found that the ICONV command can be used in the
.aff file to make this possible. The ‘LibreOffice American British Canadian
- spelling/hyphen/thesaurus dictionaries’ (available here:
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/american-british-canadian-spelling-hyphen-thesaurus-dictionaries/releases/3.0)
makes use of the ICONV command, and seems to work with curly quote sin
words. However, I also noticed that the list contains a lot of incorrect
words, such as ‘wouldn’, and ‘couldn’. 

Who should I ask this question to? Is anyone here in charge of these
dictionaries?

Michael

PS: We are currently discussing the topic of using curly quote in Hunspell
in the CafeTran (a CAT tool) mailing list, here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/cafetranslators/KxSEd23J77Y



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