Re: [libreoffice-users] duplicate open buttons

[John R. Sowden]

On 10/26/2013 12:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
It's been a year since this last occurred and back then it went unreported.
  Apparently in excess of 60 million users haven't suffered the problem.
  The person mentioning it back then couldn't answer simple questions and
couldn't even figure out whether he/she had downloaded LibreOffice or not.
  User error wasn't ruled out.  The recent report gives far more info but
it's difficult to imagine what is going on that is not going wrong on other
people's systems.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 26 October 2013 15:59, Don C. Myers  wrote:


Hi,

I always run the latest version of Ubuntu on 4 computers, and also once a
LibreOffice version reaches the x.02 line, am running the latest
LibreOffice. I've been running Ubuntu for 5 years, and used Open Office
initially, and as soon as LibreOffice was released, switched to
LibreOffice. I've never had multiple menu items/buttons with any version of
Ubuntu or any version of LibreOffice. My guess it that there is a conflict
between a Linux distribution version and an official Document Foundation
version. Strange things can happen! I would recommend you follow the
instructions here
http://askubuntu.com/**questions/180403/how-to-**uninstall-libreoffice
to completely purge your system of LibreOffice, and then install the
version from
http://www.documentfoundation.**org/ 
and see if you still have the issue.

Don






On 10/26/2013 12:29 AM, John R. Sowden wrote:


On 10/25/2013 08:28 PM, baldwin linguas wrote:


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:09 PM, John R. Sowden
 wrote:


On 10/25/2013 01:57 PM, Joel Madero wrote:


On 10/25/2013 01:15 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:


On 10/25/2013 12:02 PM, william drescher wrote:


I just upgraded to Version 4.0.5.2
(Build ID: 5464147a081647a250913f19c0715b**ca595af2f)

Now I have duplicate "open" buttons on the standard toolbar. Both
have
tooltips that say "Open (ctrl + O)"

  =

Hi :)
Did you install through Synaptic, or another package manager (ie from
the
repos or Ppas) or did you download from the LibreOffice website?  Did
you
install the desktop-integration packages?
Regards from
Tom :)

  I just installed 4.0.6 from the debs available from libreoffice.org

(on Debian Wheezy, AMD64),
and I saw this, two Open buttons.
I just removed one of them (right click on toolbar, visible buttons ->
click one of them).
Now there's only one.
No worries.

Tony


mine are in the file drop down menu



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if its meaningful, I just tested, and found that I get the 2 'open,' 
menu selections under 'file' only while in calc, not write or 
presentation.  I didn't test any others.  I was going to send a picture, 
but when I go to select the screen shooter, the 'file' menu closes.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx problems

[Gerald Pechoc]

If I sum up the problems with docx documents and with LO in general,
best solution is to have a pc with linux and virtual box for running
WIN7 and original MS Office.
(a dual core processor and 4GB Ram is enough).

If you earn your money with these docx then its on your side to adopt 
your work flow .

You can not tell your customer to change his workflow.

You will see you have a lot of problems less, doing so.

Gerald

On 2013-10-27 01:23, e-letter wrote:

On 25/10/2013, baldwin linguas  wrote:


It's ruining my business.
I'm losing clients, losing money, and I have a family to feed.
And I don't know what to do about it.
OpenOffice won't write to .docx, and LibreOffice messes them up.



Perhaps you should compare the editing process using m$. Explain to a
customer that you are going to send two versions of the document (the
m$ edit version with name file1.docx and the LO edit version
file2.docx; don't tell that LO is being used!) and ask for
confirmation which version is received in better condition.

Hopefully both versions will have changed, in which case you now have
the opportunity to demonstrate to the customer that m$docx is a
dubious format to use.

If format loss never occurred with m$doc, ask the customer to send
their documents to you in that format and presumably you can continue
to use LO. However, LO is not an m$ clone and long term, you should be
advising your customer to create odf documents using LO (additional
consulting opportunity for you?)

Surely in business, you should be flexible in order to get paid? Would
you really refuse a € 1000 invoice because of the need to buy € 50
software? ;)

Good luck.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] [CALC] Detective Trace inadequate display

[Mirosław Zalewski]

Dnia 2013-10-26, o godz. 12:42:10
Ady  napisał(a):

> Bug report #70886 opened:
>  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70886 

Confirmed, added bibisect log.
It's now up to developers to pick up challenge and fix that issue.
  
> I disagree. The "Detective" feature is already very crippled in 
> LibreOffice. This inadequate behavior makes it even harder and 
> generates more confusion, specially when using complex spreadsheets 
> (which is when users most need the feature). If anything, IMHO the 
> "Detective" feature should be very much improved (not left with 
> inadequate behaviors because it is already crippled anyway).

I never said that this bug SHOULD be left open and not fixed in
reasonable time. I only explained why some people might skip over this
one and devote their time to other issues, which they see as higher
priority.

As of improving "detective" - well, it could use some improvements,
like almost any other part of suite. In software development, there is
always something to do. In free software, usually there are very
limited resources (manpower, infrastructure, money, time etc.). That
means we end up with more work than we can complete. And that means
that "should" is not really helpful, because it does not bring us any
closer to out goals. The question is not "what should be done?", but
"who may do that?".
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Re: [libreoffice-users] [CALC] Detective Trace inadequate display

[Ady]

> Dnia 2013-10-26, o godz. 12:42:10
> Ady  napisal(a):
> 
> > Bug report #70886 opened:
> >  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70886 
> 
> Confirmed, added bibisect log.
> It's now up to developers to pick up challenge and fix that issue.
>   
> > I disagree. The "Detective" feature is already very crippled in 
> > LibreOffice. This inadequate behavior makes it even harder and 
> > generates more confusion, specially when using complex spreadsheets 
> > (which is when users most need the feature). If anything, IMHO the 
> > "Detective" feature should be very much improved (not left with 
> > inadequate behaviors because it is already crippled anyway).
> 
> I never said that this bug SHOULD be left open and not fixed in
> reasonable time. I only explained why some people might skip over this
> one and devote their time to other issues, which they see as higher
> priority.
> 
> As of improving "detective" - well, it could use some improvements,
> like almost any other part of suite. In software development, there is
> always something to do. In free software, usually there are very
> limited resources (manpower, infrastructure, money, time etc.). That
> means we end up with more work than we can complete. And that means
> that "should" is not really helpful, because it does not bring us any
> closer to out goals. The question is not "what should be done?", but
> "who may do that?".
> -- 
> Best regards
> Miroslaw Zalewski
> 
 
Thank you all for your replies, and special thanks to Miroslaw for 
his bibisect and follow up at 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70886 .

FWIW, I'd like to clarify my prior comments.

1_ If / when this issue gets the developers' attention, I'd like for 
them to find a *real* solution (and even improvements), not just a 
workaround.

2_ If a solution can't be achieved for some technical reason (other 
than availability of developers' time), I suggested a possible 
alternative behavior: instead of leaving the inadequate arrows 
displayed as "normal", change their color until they are displayed 
adequately again. This suggestion was meant not as my preferred 
desired method to solve/workaround the issue, but only as a trigger 
to alternative thoughts (whether for this particular issue or for 
potential future improvements to the "Detective" trace features), 
"just in case".

3_ When I said that the (IMO) insufficient "Detective" features 
should not be used as a reason not to bother with this issue either, 
my intention was to explain why, IMO, that's not the best potential 
reasoning, for whoever would read this email topic (specially for 
developers that might be tempted to think that way).

4_ Of course I understand that this issue might never get resolved 
just because developers might think this matter deserves low 
priority. My answer is that, at some point, the "Detective" feature 
should be greatly improved, not just as my subjective "desire", but 
as a high priority for Calc users in practical objective terms.

Of course developers might choose to invest their time in whatever 
they want; no complains. For users, there are other spreadsheet tools 
capable of performing "just fine" with simple sheets and/or simple 
calculations.

In my experience, the "Detective" (trace) feature is crucial for 
users with either complex formulas, multiple sheets and/or many 
different relations between many cells. IMO, if Calc is to be used 
for something more than just relatively simple cases, then in 
practical terms the "Detective" feature *must* be improved (a.k.a., 
not such a low priority). I am aware that elevating the development 
priority of the "Detective" feature means lowering it for some other 
task.

I am just expressing my desire and opinion (and my reasoning as to 
why this bug should be solved), _independently_ (not against nor in 
opposition)  of what has been expressed in prior emails / posts in 
this topic. I am hoping this objective reasoning will also trigger 
some developer(s) to act on it.

Again, thank you all.

Best Regards,
Ady.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: duplicate open buttons

[william drescher]

On 10/25/2013 3:02 PM, william drescher wrote:

I just upgraded to Version 4.0.5.2
(Build ID: 5464147a081647a250913f19c0715bca595af2f)

Now I have duplicate "open" buttons on the standard toolbar. Both
have tooltips that say "Open (ctrl + O)"

not a problem for me, just wondered

bill




OS: win7
source: libreoffice website
prev vers 3.5.6 (I think)

bill


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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx problems

[Gerald Pechoc]

If I sum up the problems with docx documents and with LO in general, 
best solution is to have a pc with linux and virtual box for running 
WIN7 and original MS Office.
If you earn your money with these docx then you have to adopt your work 
flow to that.

You can not tell your customer to change his workflow.

You will see you have a lot of problems less, doing so.

Gerald

On 2013-10-27 01:23, e-letter wrote:

On 25/10/2013, baldwin linguas  wrote:


It's ruining my business.
I'm losing clients, losing money, and I have a family to feed.
And I don't know what to do about it.
OpenOffice won't write to .docx, and LibreOffice messes them up.



Perhaps you should compare the editing process using m$. Explain to a
customer that you are going to send two versions of the document (the
m$ edit version with name file1.docx and the LO edit version
file2.docx; don't tell that LO is being used!) and ask for
confirmation which version is received in better condition.

Hopefully both versions will have changed, in which case you now have
the opportunity to demonstrate to the customer that m$docx is a
dubious format to use.

If format loss never occurred with m$doc, ask the customer to send
their documents to you in that format and presumably you can continue
to use LO. However, LO is not an m$ clone and long term, you should be
advising your customer to create odf documents using LO (additional
consulting opportunity for you?)

Surely in business, you should be flexible in order to get paid? Would
you really refuse a € 1000 invoice because of the need to buy € 50
software? ;)

Good luck.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx problems

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The only way to ensure your DocX documents appear exactly the same on other
people's machines is to make sure you use the same OS and the same version
of MS Office as they are using.  If you deal with a lot of different people
and are not certain which versions each of them has then that means 3
different OSes (Xp, Win7 and Win8) and 4 different versions of MS Office
(2007, 2010, 2013 and 365).

If you only have 2007 and they use 2013 then they just see you as being too
cheap to get the newest version.  You can probably get a cheap version of
2010 (because most people are using that one right now) but that still wont
be quite good enough. In a few months you would still need to buy 2013
anyway because it's increasingly difficult to get any new machines with
anything other than 2013 or 365 on.


Editable formats look slightly different on different machines anyway.
 Different printers, different settings even if the same printer, and all
sort of petty details come into play.  Different versions of the same
fonts, or automatic substitutions for different fonts in the same family
and all sorts.

There are 2 sorts of Pdfs.  Nowadays we mostly use the semi-editable ones
File - "Export to Pdf"
which are more consistent between different machines, different OSes and
different programs but still suffer the issue about fonts.  The other way
of generating a Pdf is
File - Print - "Print to file"
and set it to Pdf rather than Ps.  Not all programs can do that and it also
depends on having printer-drivers that support it.  People will then
probably grumble that they can't add comments, do Pdf forms that way and
other 'problems'.  However sending that sort of Pdf along with an editable
format does ensure that people see the document exactly as intended AND get
to edit it.


So, there is a choice.  Stick with MS Office and ensure that files will
never look quite right and that you will always get the blame for not
having quite the right version on the right OS and be constantly pushed
into buying different versions and upgrading OS or accept that documents
need a little flexibility in them.

Regards from
Tom :)


On 27 October 2013 10:25, Gerald Pechoc  wrote:

>
>
> If I sum up the problems with docx documents and with LO in general,
> best solution is to have a pc with linux and virtual box for running
> WIN7 and original MS Office.
> (a dual core processor and 4GB Ram is enough).
>
> If you earn your money with these docx then its on your side to adopt your
> work flow .
> You can not tell your customer to change his workflow.
>
> You will see you have a lot of problems less, doing so.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> On 2013-10-27 01:23, e-letter wrote:
>
>> On 25/10/2013, baldwin linguas  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's ruining my business.
>>> I'm losing clients, losing money, and I have a family to feed.
>>> And I don't know what to do about it.
>>> OpenOffice won't write to .docx, and LibreOffice messes them up.
>>>
>>>
>> Perhaps you should compare the editing process using m$. Explain to a
>> customer that you are going to send two versions of the document (the
>> m$ edit version with name file1.docx and the LO edit version
>> file2.docx; don't tell that LO is being used!) and ask for
>> confirmation which version is received in better condition.
>>
>> Hopefully both versions will have changed, in which case you now have
>> the opportunity to demonstrate to the customer that m$docx is a
>> dubious format to use.
>>
>> If format loss never occurred with m$doc, ask the customer to send
>> their documents to you in that format and presumably you can continue
>> to use LO. However, LO is not an m$ clone and long term, you should be
>> advising your customer to create odf documents using LO (additional
>> consulting opportunity for you?)
>>
>> Surely in business, you should be flexible in order to get paid? Would
>> you really refuse a € 1000 invoice because of the need to buy € 50
>> software? ;)
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
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[libreoffice-users] How to make a document Read-Write ?

[Sheafe Ewing]

I have created a  Text document file… sent it to a recipient who
notes it is Read-only.

How do I make the file Read-Write   in order that he be able work the file at 
his end.

(I’ve consulted LibreOffice Help… the instructions under Read only don’t work…. 
(Select) is greyed out.)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to make a document Read-Write ?

[Paul]

Chances are that if you emailed it, your recipient opened it directly
from his/her email program. This often creates a read-only copy in
temporary storage. This is not a problem with the document. You need to
tell your recipient to *save* the file from within his/her email client
first, then check that the saved file is not read-only (right-click,
Properties, Read-only under Attributes at the bottom, on Windows 7),
and then open it in LO.

Hope this helps.

Paul



On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:44:45 -0700
Sheafe Ewing  wrote:

> I have created a  Text document file… sent it to a recipient who
> notes it is Read-only.
> 
> How do I make the file Read-Write   in order that he be able work the
> file at his end.
> 
> (I’ve consulted LibreOffice Help… the instructions under Read only
> don’t work…. (Select) is greyed out.)
> 
> Sheafe Ewing


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to make a document Read-Write ?

[Thomas Boehm]

Sheafe Ewing wrote:
> I have created a  Text document file… sent it to a recipient who
> notes it is Read-only.
> 
> How do I make the file Read-Write   in order that he be able work the file at 
> his end.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with LO and the problem lies with the file
permissions in his OS.

My guess is that he uses some flavour of Linux and he opens the document
from the email. I'm using Ubuntu and when I open a document from an
email in Thunderbird, it save an read-only copy in /tmp and LO opens the
document from there.

Can you ask the recipient to save the document first and open it from
this location?


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[libreoffice-users] Find and replace — regular expressions

[T. R. Valentine]

Does the Find & Replace dialog box allow backreferences in the
'Replace with' field?

(I'm having trouble getting it to work.)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Find and replace — regular expressions

[Tim Lloyd]

unless I am reading this wrong - Yes!

Position yourself anywhere in a doc.

Find and Replace
Search for XXX
Replace with YYY
Press "Replace All"

All occurrences of XXX should be replaced by YYY

If you press "replace" it will only look forward and then ask you 
whether to check the rest of the doc.


Cheers


On 28/10/13 10:39, T. R. Valentine wrote:

Does the Find & Replace dialog box allow backreferences in the
'Replace with' field?

(I'm having trouble getting it to work.)





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Find and replace — regular expressions

[T. R. Valentine]

On 27 October 2013 18:50, Tim Lloyd  wrote:
> unless I am reading this wrong - Yes!
>
> Position yourself anywhere in a doc.
>
> Find and Replace
> Search for XXX
> Replace with YYY
> Press "Replace All"
>
> All occurrences of XXX should be replaced by YYY
>
> If you press "replace" it will only look forward and then ask you whether to
> check the rest of the doc.

I think you read my question incorrectly.

Specifically, I am able to use regular expressions to search for a one
to many-digit number:
\d*
But I want to leave the number (whatever it may be) in place and
insert a tab immediately after it. I expected I should be able to use:
\1\t
but LO is interpreting the \1 *literally* instead of as a backreference.

:-(


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Find and replace - regular expressions

[Brian Barker]

At 18:56 27/10/2013 -0500, T. R. Valentine wrote:

On 27 October 2013 18:50, Tim Lloyd wrote:

[...]


I think you read my question incorrectly.


That's because your original question was not at all clear!  (You owe 
it to correspondents not to waste their time.)


Specifically, I am able to use regular expressions to search for a 
one to many-digit number: \d*
But I want to leave the number (whatever it may be) in place and 
insert a tab immediately after it. I expected I should be able to 
use: \1\t but LO is interpreting the \1 *literally* instead of as a 
backreference.


There are two things wrong here, I think.  First, although \1, \2, 
and so on can be used to refer back to parts of the "Search for" 
field *within the "Search for" field itself*, the corresponding 
syntax in the "Replace with" field is $1, $2, and so on.  But then 
you also have to mark which part of the matched string you want to 
refer back to - and you do that using parentheses in the Search field.


If you want to refer to the entire matched string using $1, you must 
use (\d*) as your search string.  But - easier than that - you can 
always refer to the entire matched string using the ampersand: & (or 
you can use $0).  In that case the parentheses are unnecessary in the 
search string: you would search for \d* and replace with &\t.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Find and replace — regular expressions

[jomali]

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 7:39 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote:

> Does the Find & Replace dialog box allow backreferences in the
> 'Replace with' field?
>
> (I'm having trouble getting it to work.)
>
> Per the LO help, use $1 in the replace box, rather than \1.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Find and replace — regular expressions

[T. R. Valentine]

On 27 October 2013 20:10, jomali  wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 7:39 PM, T. R. Valentine 
> wrote:
>>
>> Does the Find & Replace dialog box allow backreferences in the
>> 'Replace with' field?
>>
>> (I'm having trouble getting it to work.)
>>
> Per the LO help, use $1 in the replace box, rather than \1.

Thanks, but this is removing the number. I want to retain the numbers.

In the LO help that I see, $ limits searches to items at end of
paragraphs. Where is the reference that it functions as a
backreference?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Find and replace - regular expressions

[T. R. Valentine]

On 27 October 2013 19:24, Brian Barker  wrote:

> If you want to refer to the entire matched string using $1, you must use
> (\d*) as your search string.  But - easier than that - you can always refer
> to the entire matched string using the ampersand: & (or you can use $0).  In
> that case the parentheses are unnecessary in the search string: you would
> search for \d* and replace with &\t.

Perfect.

> I trust this helps.

Indeed. Many thanks.



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[libreoffice-users] Huge security bugs

[Jan]

Today in good faith I downloaded and for trial your Libre Office pack. I
installed it and already during the installation I expressly didn't wish
it to associate with files created by other software. After I launched
it then, it immediately and completely illogically asked me about
“restoration” of files I had at the time open in running Open Office. I
didn't authorize such nonsense, but your software instead of leaving the
files alone deleted the files and destroyed my unfinished work. It
deleted several dozens of open locked versions of both MS-Excel and Open
Office spreadsheets I was working on, caused immediate crash of Open
Office subsequently, while even - perhaps to add insult to injury -
associated itself AGAINST my authorization with old versions of the
files created in Open Office and MS Excel - which could be all described
as most violent malware behavior imaginable. Your pack maybe is for
free, but the damages caused to me by its behavior on my computer,
intruding files created by other software, I estimate to several
thousands USD on lost data, calculations and graphical representations,
which took me several weeks to put together, analyze and plot.
Nobody can wonder I'm now considering gain publicity for whole affair
and get your software blacklisted by antimalware providers, because it
clearly behaves against the general contract and legal regulations,
intruding and destroying intelectual property created using the software
provided by third parties.

Dr. Jan Zeman


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Find and replace — regular expressions

[Urmas]

"T. R. Valentine"


Per the LO help, use $1 in the replace box, rather than \1.


You need to use '\N' for backreferences in the Search field.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Huge security bugs

[Urmas]

"Jan":


After I launched
it then, it immediately and completely illogically asked me about
“restoration” of files I had at the time open in running Open Office.


Please elaborate.


didn't authorize such nonsense, but your software instead of leaving the
files alone deleted the files and destroyed my unfinished work.


Deleted which files?


deleted several dozens of open locked versions of both MS-Excel and Open
Office spreadsheets I was working on,


You had 'several dozens' of spreadsheets opened at once in AOO?


I estimate to several
thousands USD on lost data, calculations and graphical representations,
which took me several weeks to put together, analyze and plot.


Don’t rave, please. 




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