Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 18:00:31 PM -0800, tk wrote: > And along those lines, is there still a person, or group that constructs: > * A Pan-Indian LibO DVD. Hi Jonathon, not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that there WERE such dvds, or that somebody SHOULD do them? > >Many companies, especially charities, can buy MS Office for bargain > >discount special deals. > Microsoft's hypocracy in offering discounts for their software to > charitable organizations has been well documented for more than a > decade. True: all NGOs should avoid making a mess with those donations, as I too wrote here: http://stop.zona-m.net/2010/10/note-to-all-ngos-please-dont-make-a-mess-with-microsoft-donations/ Of course, answering to the earlier poster, not Jonathon: > >Is it morally right for a charity to expect it's service-users to > >spend so much more money than they need to and thus ensure the > >charity can keep getting special discounts? *Big* charities often have the problems that Jonathon said. Very small organizations, instead, need to spend zero time/money on maintaining/re-learning the software they have to use, because it would be all resources subtracted to working in the streets with the people they assist. That's why they stick to proprietary software in general, not just MSO. Marco -- M. Fioretti http://mfioretti.com http://stop.zona-m.net Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I set default date format in Writer?
Le 30/11/2013 07:03, fos a écrit : Hi, How can I set the date format in Writer so that whenever I select INSERT->FIELDS->DATE it will insert a hard December 31, 1999 (for example) instead of the 12/31/99 which is totally inappropriate for correspondence. Having to re-specify INSERT->FIELDS->OTHER->DATE->DATE(fixed)->December 31, 1999 every time is just plain annoying. Even better would be to add a menu item of just INSERT->Datef that would do the job. From what you have written, inserting a date with an expanded format is a repeated action, so you would be better suited to crafting a template including the fixed date field, formatted with the expanded format, and then saved. That way, you should only have to do it once for any given template. Of course, the above doesn't answer the question as to how you could obtain a default insertion of the expanded date - from what I can see, this could only be possible via a macro that you would then have to associate with a custom entry in your Insert menu (or somewhere else in the menu structures via Tools > Customize). There seems to be no way to call that formatting function directly, although it must be in the underlying code somewhere. Perhaps the macro recorder would let you record the steps to reach the required formatting, which you could then save and execute after customising your menu structure ? Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 21:57:50 PM +, Paolo Debortoli wrote: > hi. I work in a state school, using ms windows and ms office... i > think I know the policy of microsoft. I think they use a sort of > (apparent) programmed obsolescence for the software. Hi Paolo, and... NO. Not the software. They use programmed obsolescence for the FILE FORMAT, see http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/ > why don't they change ? they don't know enough about LibreOffice; > they would need demonstrations or some training training to learn the different position of the same buttons and functions is a waste of money, it's a shame that it is still considered an option. The real training should be in other areas, regardless of what software is used, see the post above. > other software producers (autodesk) are doing similar things... > schools are good marketing targets... ideas? let's not waste other years promoting software before common formats. Apart from that, thanks for mentioning Autodesk, excellent example of the fact that MS is neither the only, nor the worst player of the "proprietary format" game. THat is a very general issue. Marco -- M. Fioretti http://mfioretti.com http://stop.zona-m.net Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 19:20:03 PM -0500, Virgil Arrington wrote: > James wrote in response to John: > >>I didn't know we considered trialware "cunning". > > >They let people create & edit documents for a while and then hold > >them hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. > > I wouldn't consider it either cunning or holding people hostage to > provide them with a free trial of software that is otherwise only > available for a price. you would be wrong, because your reasoning simply does NOT apply to software. Not to software of this kind, at least. Try a car for free for a week, give it back... no problem, because you would not lose anything you had done with/thanks to that car in that week. Office suites based on deliberately, closed, incompatible file formats, instead are ADDICTIVE like drugs. That's why they are given away for free (*), see here: http://stop.zona-m.net/2010/10/microsoft-video-proves-that-microsoft-office-is-like-cocaine-and-has-dealers-inside-schools/ and why it's wrong to push software instead of, or before, file formats, see here: http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/ (as a matter of fact, this whole thread is yet another proof of what I wrote in that last post...) Marco (*) where "give it away for free" doesn't mean only "free trial periods". It also means keeping the software very easy to pirate so people learn it at home and then throw a tantrum if their company (that can't use pirated software) tries to migrate to something else -- M. Fioretti http://mfioretti.com http://stop.zona-m.net Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I set default date format in Writer?
On 30/11/2013 08:03, fos wrote: How can I set the date format in Writer so that whenever I select INSERT->FIELDS->DATE it will insert a hard December 31, 1999 (for example) instead of the 12/31/99 which is totally inappropriate for correspondence. Having to re-specify INSERT->FIELDS->OTHER->DATE->DATE(fixed)->December 31, 1999 every time is just plain annoying. Even better would be to add a menu item of just INSERT->Datef that would do the job. Using LO 4.1.3.2 now, previous versions had the same problem. Frank -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-do-I-set-default-date-format-in-Writer-tp4085676.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. HI, I think you must go to Insert>Field>Other (CTRL+F2). In the Fields window, Document tab, Date>select Date(fixed)>Format then Insert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Mac OS X (based on BSD and the Mach kernel) Android (based on Linux) Linux apache Firefox ant gcc OpenJDK xerces xalan fop saxon (up to and including Saxon HE) itext (recently commercialised) pdfbox Gnome KDE Gimp Clojure etc etc etc Oh, yes, LibreOffice. Seems successful to me. The world looks very small and far away when viewed through MS goggles. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 30 Nov 2013, at 1:25 pm, Urmas wrote: > "Virgil Arrington": > > I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business > practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary > motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. > > Foss people are hurt that no one is interested in their bungles except > occasional corrupted officials. They are imagine themselves as grown-ups and > do not understand why the adults pet their heads and tell them to go play > elsewhere. > > Just think about it: there was NOT A SINGLE successful FOSS-created project > so far. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Python Uno on Ubuntu 13.10
Le 29/11/2013 22:49, Element Green a écrit : Hi, There is a python3-uno, but it doesn't help me, since Appy POD does not yet support Python 3. The package was called python-uno on previous Ubuntu versions, but now its marked as deprecated and attempting to install it indicates that the libreoffice-script-provider-python replaces it. Installing this does not provide Python uno support though and from the package description it doesn't sound like that is what its for: "Python script support provider for LibreOffice scripting framework". From what I can tell, my Ubuntu 13.04 has both python-uno (using python 2.7) or python3-uno as mutually exclusive installable possibilities. That would appear to have changed with the release of Ubuntu 13.10 ? Does anyone know if Python uno support depends on the libreoffice binaries? If Ubuntu 13.10 did indeed drop Python uno support for 2.7, do I have to find another source for the libreoffice binaries to get this to work? I seem to recall that Python3 support was introduced as the default with the switch to the LO 4.1 series, which is what is supplied with Ubuntu 13.10, I believe. If you want to carry on using pyuno built against python 2.7, I guess you will need to completely remove the Ubuntu provided LO and python dependencies, and attempt to install either an earlier version of an Ubuntu provided LO package (if possible), or else the DEB packages available from the LO download site, which will not integrate in the same way as the Ubuntu provided packages. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre form over MySQL limiting number of characters in text filed.
Le 29/11/2013 18:05, supp...@engineered-solutions.us a écrit : Hi, I've looked for a configuration issue that might affect it, but it puzzles me since table and query operations work fine, why the form would adopt such an odd behavior. Anyone able to offer a suggestion what to look for to solve this. My efforts to search for a solution have come up empty so far. The controls of your form are bound to your underlying data source, but they can be configured to have their own attributes (limited formatting options, length, etc). These are properties of the control, and there is a configuration option for the form in general set by default which forces the user to respect those properties. In any given control, you should set the MaxTextLength property to 0 - this tells the control to take the length defined in the underlying database. Additionally, you can try unsetting the Advanced properties option in the database by right mouse button clicking on any of the table, query, or report entries and choosing Database > Advanced Properties, and unselecting the check that data entry correspond to form definition (I don't have the exact English wording here at the moment, as I'm on a French system). If these don't work, then it might be a bug, although I haven't encountered this one in a long time (it was something that cropped up in OpenOffice.org several years ago). Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
"Virgil Arrington": I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. Foss people are hurt that no one is interested in their bungles except occasional corrupted officials. They are imagine themselves as grown-ups and do not understand why the adults pet their heads and tell them to go play elsewhere. Just think about it: there was NOT A SINGLE successful FOSS-created project so far. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] How do I set default date format in Writer?
How can I set the date format in Writer so that whenever I select INSERT->FIELDS->DATE it will insert a hard December 31, 1999 (for example) instead of the 12/31/99 which is totally inappropriate for correspondence. Having to re-specify INSERT->FIELDS->OTHER->DATE->DATE(fixed)->December 31, 1999 every time is just plain annoying. Even better would be to add a menu item of just INSERT->Datef that would do the job. Using LO 4.1.3.2 now, previous versions had the same problem. Frank -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-do-I-set-default-date-format-in-Writer-tp4085676.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
"John Kennedy" Why can you not buy a computer that is already configured to dual boot? Because no one needs it. Or why is it so difficult to buy a computer with no operating system? Because people buy computers to work, not to tinker with. Microsoft has decreed to computer manufacturers not to do so or they will not get Windows at such ridiculous prices. And that's Windows what is in demand, not your favorite toy OS. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question
Now that Dave was kind enough to translate the problem into common financial terms I recognize, finding the FV function is easy. Menu->Insert->Function->Select Financial->FV OR, use the function wizard to accomplish the same. I've always hated word problems, I could never translate words into math equations. But the OP asked about calculating compound interest which is not the same as future value. Calculating FV is definitely an important first step. This link: http://www.ehow.com/how_2166243_calculate-compound-interest.html shows the same formula Dave provided (albeit Dave's formula was much more helpful), but they go the extra step of showing that the compound interest is actually the Future Value minus the Present Value. I had to scratch my head over this a few times and re-read the link quite a few times before I finally saw the answer sitting there in front of me. They calculate the interest on $1000 in the example link - show that FV = 1210, and finally show that the interest ends up being the FV of $1210 minus the original PV of $1000: so interest earned is $210. I would never have recognized the formula in the link as being FV, and so without Dave's help I couldn't have figured any of this out. On 11/27/2013 04:12 PM, Dave Liesse wrote: I've had troubles in the past finding specific financial functions, as well. Can't help from the function standpoint in this case, but you could always fall back on the actual equation: FV = PV*(1+i)^n where FV is future value, PV is present value, i is the periodic interest rate, and n is the number of periods. Dave On 11/27/2013 15:10, Cliff Scott wrote: I haven't done much spread sheet formula work so please don't mind a couple of simple questions. I would like to do two things: 1. Calculate compound interest on an amount given the rate and number of interest periods. Looking at the list of functions there are lots of ones that come close to that, but I wasn't able to find one that would do exact that. 2. How do I write a conditional loop in Calc? If I want to calculate a formula for 10 iterations how would I do that? For instance Value=Value*N+Value. That would give me the compound interest also. I can do it with a bunch of cells strung out each one representing one interest period, but for any length of time it becomes unwieldy. Thank you very much for any help. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_FV_function On 11/27/2013 07:12 PM, Dave Liesse wrote: I've had troubles in the past finding specific financial functions, as well. Can't help from the function standpoint in this case, but you could always fall back on the actual equation: FV = PV*(1+i)^n where FV is future value, PV is present value, i is the periodic interest rate, and n is the number of periods. Dave On 11/27/2013 15:10, Cliff Scott wrote: I haven't done much spread sheet formula work so please don't mind a couple of simple questions. I would like to do two things: 1. Calculate compound interest on an amount given the rate and number of interest periods. Looking at the list of functions there are lots of ones that come close to that, but I wasn't able to find one that would do exact that. 2. How do I write a conditional loop in Calc? If I want to calculate a formula for 10 iterations how would I do that? For instance Value=Value*N+Value. That would give me the compound interest also. I can do it with a bunch of cells strung out each one representing one interest period, but for any length of time it becomes unwieldy. Thank you very much for any help. Cliff -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
The distain goes both ways. Remember that Stave Ballmer called open source software (specifically Linux) a cancer. Microsoft has a long history of passing similar opinions about FLOSS as fact and using their monopoly status to cull any competition. Why can you not buy a computer that is already configured to dual boot? Or why is it so difficult to buy a computer with no operating system? Microsoft has decreed to computer manufacturers not to do so or they will not get Windows at such ridiculous prices. Libre Office and other FLOSS software is not born out of distain for MS and other closed source software. they exist because the people who create, enhance, and maintain them are passionate about what they do and the freedom that FLOSS gives to users. The distain comes along the way as big companies such as MS and Oracle use cheap and underhanded tactics to try negate and destroy what they do. To be honest, there are some things that MS Office does much better than LO and other FLOSS Office suites. I personally refuse to purchase MS Office for personal reasons and will do what I can to help people realize that they do not need MS products (share ware or otherwise) and safe themselves from the constant purchase of the same software over and over. John Kennedy (_8(|) http://www.shepherdrescue.org Why would anyone foster a dog/cat? I would rather cry watching them leave our home to live a life of happiness and joy in a loving home than cry because no one stepped up to help them and they died alone, frightened, and sad in a shelter. "Try to learn something about everything and everything about something." -Thomas Henry Huxley On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business > practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary > motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. And, yet, it's a theme that > recurs on nearly every FOSS related forum I read. > > IMHO, it's better to focus on what's good about LO than what's evil about > MS. > > Virgil > > Software > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On 11/29/2013 07:20 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: James wrote in response to John: I didn't know we considered trialware "cunning". They let people create & edit documents for a while and then hold them hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. I wouldn't consider it either cunning or holding people hostage to provide them with a free trial of software that is otherwise only available for a price. That, indeed, has been the essence of shareware -- try before you buy. Anybody obtaining a trial version of MS-Office is clearly told that it is a trial version; no cunning, no deception. If you don't like it, don't buy it. The creators of the shareware concept (I recall Bob Wallace of the PC-Write days) realized that buying software is often a crap-shoot. You don't know until after you've bought the program whether it will do what you need, or whether you will appreciate the manner in which it does it. This is especially important in the case of an office suite as users will tend to use them on a daily basis, eventually becoming married to their program. MS allows some users to try their program before making such a commitment. For my part, on my last computer purchase, I received a free "starter" version of MS-Office, with some limitations on features, but without any limitation on time. I can use the starter version forever. I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. And, yet, it's a theme that recurs on nearly every FOSS related forum I read. IMHO, it's better to focus on what's good about LO than what's evil about MS. Virgil Software Hi Virgil, About 13 years ago I started doing some website work. I used Microsoft Frontpage. I had no feelings about Microsoft one way or another. I figured if I was doing some website work, I should get some tech e-mails. That is where I started learning about Microsoft. Some of the things they've done are listed here, in a report to the European Commission: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf Think about the number of companies they have put out of business, not because of superior Microsoft products, but because of greed and unethical practices. Think of the employees of those companies who lost their jobs. Look at the companies Microsoft has partnered with through the years. Most of them have gone broke. Look at their promise to have their formats be open standards. How many years ago was that promise? Are they trying to make it happen? Look at the way they were bribing people to get the ISO approval. I could go on all night. I didn't wake up one morning and decide I'm not going to like Microsoft. My feelings towards them developed over a period of years. The tactics they used in the past they are still trying to use today. I try to be an honest, ethical person. I prefer to do business with honest, ethical companies, and support honest, ethical folks like The Document Foundation. Don -- ** -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James wrote in response to John: I didn't know we considered trialware "cunning". They let people create & edit documents for a while and then hold them hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. I wouldn't consider it either cunning or holding people hostage to provide them with a free trial of software that is otherwise only available for a price. That, indeed, has been the essence of shareware -- try before you buy. Anybody obtaining a trial version of MS-Office is clearly told that it is a trial version; no cunning, no deception. If you don't like it, don't buy it. The creators of the shareware concept (I recall Bob Wallace of the PC-Write days) realized that buying software is often a crap-shoot. You don't know until after you've bought the program whether it will do what you need, or whether you will appreciate the manner in which it does it. This is especially important in the case of an office suite as users will tend to use them on a daily basis, eventually becoming married to their program. MS allows some users to try their program before making such a commitment. For my part, on my last computer purchase, I received a free "starter" version of MS-Office, with some limitations on features, but without any limitation on time. I can use the starter version forever. I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. And, yet, it's a theme that recurs on nearly every FOSS related forum I read. IMHO, it's better to focus on what's good about LO than what's evil about MS. Virgil Software -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Paolo Debortoli wrote: > think microsoft did the same politics with charities and schools: discounted > prices (but they are still stealing money somehow...) One thing MS got caught doing was providing free software to charities and then claiming full retail value as a tax deduction. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
John Meyer wrote: > I didn't know we considered trialware "cunning". They let people create & edit documents for a while and then hold them hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
hi. I work in a state school, using ms windows and ms office... i think I know the policy of microsoft. I think they use a sort of (apparent) programmed obsolescence for the software. I mean: periodically they add a new version with some changes in interface, macro programming, functions and file structure, which is installed on new computers. the new version is voluntarily incompatible with the previous ones. It's a matter of marketing, not innovation. where I work, people are always complaining that what works on a computer (files, macro etc..) doesn't work on another. the school, on the other way, doesn't want to spend money on new software licenses (very expensive in italy). so, why don't they change ? they don't know enough about LibreOffice; they would need demonstrations or some training (some training is done, but always on ms office, I don't know which version... are they trained every new version?), I guess... I think microsoft did the same politics with charities and schools: discounted prices (but they are still stealing money somehow...). other software producers (autodesk) are doing similar things... schools are good marketing targets... ideas? On Friday, November 29, 2013 8:31 PM, John Meyer wrote: I didn't know we considered trialware "cunning". On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:04 AM, James Knott wrote: > Tom Davies wrote: > > Also on newer machines MS have started running a cunning scheme > > whereby people get to use a trial version of MS Office which then > > stops working after a month or so. In order to keep on using it > > people have to pay an extra bit. > > That happened to a friend of mine about 3 years ago. She's now running > OpenOffice. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Python Uno on Ubuntu 13.10
Thanks for the tip. However, I usually just use the command line applications apt-get, dpkg and apt-cache. This isn't a package manager or operator error, from what I can tell. There appears to be a lack of Python Uno support for Python 2.7 on Ubuntu 13.10. I'm trying to figure out how to add such support to the existing packages, if possible. Or secondarily finding a different set of Ubuntu packages which do include this support. There is a python3-uno, but it doesn't help me, since Appy POD does not yet support Python 3. The package was called python-uno on previous Ubuntu versions, but now its marked as deprecated and attempting to install it indicates that the libreoffice-script-provider-python replaces it. Installing this does not provide Python uno support though and from the package description it doesn't sound like that is what its for: "Python script support provider for LibreOffice scripting framework". Does anyone know if Python uno support depends on the libreoffice binaries? If Ubuntu 13.10 did indeed drop Python uno support for 2.7, do I have to find another source for the libreoffice binaries to get this to work? Best regards, Element Green On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: > On 11/29/2013 04:21 PM, Element Green wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10, which apparently deprecated the >> python-uno package which supports Python 2.7. Unfortunately I need this >> for use with Appy POD (http://appyframework.org/pod.html), which is a >> Python based libreoffice template framework for Writer and Calc. Any >> ideas >> how I can get Python 2.7 Uno support on Ubuntu 13.10? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Best regards, >> Element Green >> >> You probably need to install Synaptic. I do not it is installed by > default. > > I believe the command in terminal is > > sudo apt-get install synaptic > > Once Synaptic is installed, open it and search for python-uno to see if > there is one for 2.7 available. > > -- > Jay Lozier > jsloz...@gmail.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre form over MySQL limiting number of characters in text filed.
On 11/29/2013 09:05 AM, supp...@engineered-solutions.us wrote: Hi, I've got an odd result coming from a test drive DB I'm using OpenLibre to front end. DB is MySQL 5.5 using current MySql native driver on Server 2003 with base being installed locally same machine. Libre Base attaches to a small, simple table configured like the Libre canned "Employees" table. It has a PK plus a fields of pchar, 50 characters wide, built in MySql using workbench initially. I generated a duplicate query in base over top of the table. Created a form over the query Was pleased to see it operated as expected. But then... During edits of records within the form I discovered any prior entry which had X characters used in the form, would not permit other records to have any greater number of characters than the prior smallest used characters. The problem appears only to happen in the form tool. I can edit, add or delete in query or table with no problem. If I edit the earliest smallest text entry in table view to hold 30 characters, the form cannot enter or edit any more than thirty characters on subsequent records. If I again alter the earlier smallest field record to 5 characters, once again the form only permits 5 characters on subsequent records. I've looked for a configuration issue that might affect it, but it puzzles me since table and query operations work fine, why the form would adopt such an odd behavior. Anyone able to offer a suggestion what to look for to solve this. My efforts to search for a solution have come up empty so far. Thank you in advance, Mike Mike, Are you using VARCHAR as the data type in the table definition (table edit mode: Text [VARCHAR] )? If so, what is the "Length" set to at the bottom of the table edit dialog for the field? In the form edit mode, what is the "Max Text Length" property for the field? Note that these two lengths can be different. My version has other text data types, such as Text[ENUM], Text[SET], Text (fix) [CHAR]. I am not familiar with any of these, but if your database is set to any of them, it may be the problem. I believe VARCHAR max is 255 characters, but you can limit that with the length settings in Base tables & forms. I just checked one of my forms and discovered the limit for my "Notes" field, which is 255 characters max, is set to 0 (zero). According to the help, this property setting gets the length from the database (MySQL?) as long as it was never changed (set, or defined). Note that I am using MySQL 5.5.29 under Linux 3.2.29 and LO 3.6.7.2 at the current time. I do not have this problem with my numerous databases, nor did I have it with previous versions of MySQL or LO. I have always been able to add to a text field up to the 255 character MySQL limit, no matter which record. When I get to the limit, Base will not allow me to enter any more characters until I delete some elsewhere to make room for the new characters. That is better than getting a MySQL error when the record is saved. So, it should work for you. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Python Uno on Ubuntu 13.10
On 11/29/2013 04:21 PM, Element Green wrote: Hello, I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10, which apparently deprecated the python-uno package which supports Python 2.7. Unfortunately I need this for use with Appy POD (http://appyframework.org/pod.html), which is a Python based libreoffice template framework for Writer and Calc. Any ideas how I can get Python 2.7 Uno support on Ubuntu 13.10? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Element Green You probably need to install Synaptic. I do not it is installed by default. I believe the command in terminal is sudo apt-get install synaptic Once Synaptic is installed, open it and search for python-uno to see if there is one for 2.7 available. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Python Uno on Ubuntu 13.10
Hello, I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10, which apparently deprecated the python-uno package which supports Python 2.7. Unfortunately I need this for use with Appy POD (http://appyframework.org/pod.html), which is a Python based libreoffice template framework for Writer and Calc. Any ideas how I can get Python 2.7 Uno support on Ubuntu 13.10? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Element Green -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Libre form over MySQL limiting number of characters in text filed.
Hi, I've got an odd result coming from a test drive DB I'm using OpenLibre to front end. DB is MySQL 5.5 using current MySql native driver on Server 2003 with base being installed locally same machine. Libre Base attaches to a small, simple table configured like the Libre canned "Employees" table. It has a PK plus a fields of pchar, 50 characters wide, built in MySql using workbench initially. I generated a duplicate query in base over top of the table. Created a form over the query Was pleased to see it operated as expected. But then... During edits of records within the form I discovered any prior entry which had X characters used in the form, would not permit other records to have any greater number of characters than the prior smallest used characters. The problem appears only to happen in the form tool. I can edit, add or delete in query or table with no problem. If I edit the earliest smallest text entry in table view to hold 30 characters, the form cannot enter or edit any more than thirty characters on subsequent records. If I again alter the earlier smallest field record to 5 characters, once again the form only permits 5 characters on subsequent records. I've looked for a configuration issue that might affect it, but it puzzles me since table and query operations work fine, why the form would adopt such an odd behavior. Anyone able to offer a suggestion what to look for to solve this. My efforts to search for a solution have come up empty so far. Thank you in advance, Mike -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
I didn't know we considered trialware "cunning". On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:04 AM, James Knott wrote: > Tom Davies wrote: > > Also on newer machines MS have started running a cunning scheme > > whereby people get to use a trial version of MS Office which then > > stops working after a month or so. In order to keep on using it > > people have to pay an extra bit. > > That happened to a friend of mine about 3 years ago. She's now running > OpenOffice. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On 11/29/2013 07:21 AM, anne-ology wrote: But what I cannot understand is why the continual changing by any ... to improve - ok; but this continual changing makes it nearly impossible to stay up-to-date; forinstance, the typewriter basically stayed the same - yes, they electrified it, even adding memory ... yet the operation of it remained as it had been ;-) forinstance, the automobile basically stayed the same - yes, they switched the driver's seat, the ignition, horn, brake placements ... yet the operation of it remained as it had been - up until the electronics were added ;-) forinstance, the craftsman took pride in his workmanship - then came advertising & the 'throw-away' society ;-( Are we better off with these changes or merely more 'n more confused & frustrated ;-) From me - the goofy, horse 'n buggy era-er ;-) +1 The problem is with many software packages the basic functionality has been under development for 30+ years and for most packages the most useful/needed features have been added many years ago. So companies like MS are faced with how to convince/force users to stay on the upgrade treadmill to maintain sales. Also, MS faces the problem that MSO is dominant that they are likely to lose market share (and sales) in the future. Date: Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office Hi :) Thanks Pedro :) I am looking for criticism and for other points so that i can write a much shorter and less emotional list and maybe give a link to the "White Paper" that someone has been writing Regards from Tom :) On 29 November 2013 00:06, Pedro wrote: Hi Tom Tom wrote 2. The format stays the same between different versions of the program. It is the same format used "natively" by many other programs such as IBM Lotus Symphony, Google-docs, K.Office, Calligra and others. Even MS Office 2013, and more recent, can open and use the format which is an ISO format. Actually this is not true. The file extension is the same but the format has been changing (that is why you have options to save to ODF 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.2 Extended) If you try to open an ODF 1.2 Extended file more complex than simple text with any other of those programs (even with some older versions of LibreOffice) you will find some incompatibilities... So, I agree with most of your points but this argument is shooting yourself on the foot. ODF does share that problem with MS XML files: same extension, different file structure. The advantage is that you can always get the latest LibreOffice version for free (unlike MS Office...) Cheers, Pedro -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Tom Davies wrote: > Also on newer machines MS have started running a cunning scheme > whereby people get to use a trial version of MS Office which then > stops working after a month or so. In order to keep on using it > people have to pay an extra bit. That happened to a friend of mine about 3 years ago. She's now running OpenOffice. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Hi :) I've been thinking about this over-night a bit and it's the same old problem. People hear MS Office and think that it's all the same. One local charity is finding that on the rare occasion they get a new machine one of the first things they have to do is to install a different version of MS Office. Since most of their current machines are on 2003 they have 2 major blockers to using anything more recent. None of them know how to use any of the ribbon-bars and they don't know "Save As ..." ... Now they are trying to partner with an organisation that uses 2010 they are running into an additional problem because their IT Support is not trained to handle problems with 2010 so they can't upgrade to it yet. Plus 2010 is the old version so their support wants to upgrade to 365 and "get everything on the Cloud". So at the end of all that training and money they still wont be able to share files with the 2010 people. Also a lot of their service users will then have to upgrade because their existing machines with their existing "gratis" version of MS Office wont be able to handle newer files. Some will, some wont. All the ones that crucially need to share files are likely to have problems. So just because people get MS Office for free on a new machine doesn't mean they will find it easy to share with other MS Office users. So they might well need to buy another version. Also on newer machines MS have started running a cunning scheme whereby people get to use a trial version of MS Office which then stops working after a month or so. In order to keep on using it people have to pay an extra bit. Regards from Tom :) -- Forwarded message -- From: tk Date: 29 November 2013 02:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Tom wrote: >11. it's a LOT cheaper, especially for individual people (rather than large companies who may end up employing programmers at a fraction the cost license fees would have been) Whether or not LibO is cheaper than MSO, is a matter of deciding what factors to look at, and how to define those factors. * For the typical individual, there is no visible difference between the upfront cost of MSO, and the upfront cost of LibO. They both appear to be gratis. * On the support end of things, there is a huge cost difference between the two. (US$50 per incident versus US$500 per incident.) * For corporations, it is much easier, and cheaper to find Level 3 Tier support for MSO, than LibO. On the flipside, Level 3 Tier support for LibO can be done in-house --- if the board of directors fully backs that proposition, and provides the requisite support to carry it off. >Many companies, especially charities, can buy MS Office for bargain discount >special deals. Microsoft's hypocrisy in offering discounts for their software to charitable organizations has been well documented for more than a decade. Their charitable sales arm is best known for ensuring its victims spend more money on software and hardware, than those victims receives in gifts, kind, and related donations. >When an individual person tries to buy MS Office it can easily cost them over £100 and may be several hundred. For the majority of individuals, MSO is effectively gratis, because it is included in the junkware that infects their new computer. For a significant proportion of the rest of the population, MSO can be had for under 100 Euros. What people tend to forget, is that MSO was not designed for SOHO usage. >Individuals usually only get some of the programs and may need to buy >Publisher or other things separately. Publisher has never been part of the basic MSO packages. I'm not even sure it was part of any of the professional packages. I know that it came with an enterprise edition, but those editions are best compared with Debian, or Xubuntu. >Is it morally right for a charity to expect it's service-users to spend so >much more money than they need to and thus ensure the charity can keep getting >special discounts? I've had this discussion in three different states, with double that number of organizations, private, public, and government agencies. The bottom line is that the system is not designed to help those that are ostensibly being helped. Rephrased, it is designed to ensure the highest possible cost, for the lowest quality goods, with no input from those who are supposed to benefit from the services that are allegedly being rendered. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of the universe, from the begining of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be delet
Re: [libreoffice-users] No offline help 4.2.0.0
Hi :) Which language? It's possible that non-English(US) languages might still be being translated. Even the English (US) one might possibly not be completely ready yet = which would make it difficult to translate! There is a carefully thought out process and series of freezes for these things to ensure that everything is ready for the proper release date but i just have no idea about the various teams schedules for that. I thought they normally have it ready for the betas but that wouldn't give them much time to do the work! On the other hand it might be that you just didn't download the 2nd package? If you only downloaded the main installer then there should be a 2nd download to get the help package. If you are using non-English (US) then i think you have a 3rd package for the User Interface? If you did download all the appropriate packages then you might have installed them in the wrong order. The main installer should be first and then the other 2 in any order you like (i think). With that sort of thing i lose track of which to do first so i just redo the 1st one after donig the others and that usually fixes it. So, if you already have a download of the help package then just reinstall it. Regards from Tom :) On 29 November 2013 12:42, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: > Libreoffice 4.2.0.0 (beta 1). > When I press F1 or "Help -> Help for LibreOffice" in the menu I get the > online help (https://help.libreoffice.org/), not the inbuilt offline help. > Any way to force the program to open offline help as in LO 4.1 or do I have > to wait untill the next release of 4.2? > I have not the knowledge to built my own version of 4.2. > Running LO 4.2 on Windows 7. LO downloaded from > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ > Kolbjoern > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Copying text
Hi :) Everyone gets all the emails to this list so in 1 email you can respond to multiple people at the same time. It feels unnatural and most people don't think of it but it can be done, in theory. I often deal with 1 email at a time and then when i read another email later on wished that i had read them all first before responding. It's kinda the nature of emails though. We are all on different timelines so we have to forgive each other a bit or it gets messy. My answer was at the end of a long day and we had a leek in the kitchen that i had to check we had stabilised before i was able to go home. I sometimes wonder why we don't get such basic questions on this list. They can be fun :) Regards from Tom :) On 29 November 2013 02:23, A wrote: > Thank you for the detailed explanation. Steps 6 & 7 were essentially what I > was missing. I don't know why I never thought to insert the same field in > multiple places. I was too focused on trying to use a > reference/cross-reference to it and that just wasn't working. > > The below (and all the other beneficial tidbits provided by all the kind > users here) should be documented in the help files, because finding them in > the archives when you need them is quite a bear. > > > On 11/28/2013 02:30 PM, Nino Novak wrote: >> >> Am 28.11.2013 22:21, schrieb A: >> >>> I want to enter text here [xxx] and have it copy that text >>> >>> [here] >>> >>> [here] >>> >>> and [here]. >>> >>> How can I do that? >> >> You can e.g. create & insert a variable called "User Field": >> >> 1) Write your text >> 2) Place Cursor at the desired first occurence of the variable. >> 3) Insert > Fields > Other > Tab "Variables" >> 4) Select Type "User Field", Format "Text", Name "MyName" (or similar, >> some reserved names like "Name" are not allowed), Value "[EDIT ME]" >> 5) Click "Insert" button (or arrow) but don't close the Field Dialog. >> 6) Move the cursor to the next occurence of the variable >> 7) Double click on the variable in the "Selection" pane to insert a new >> instance >> >> Repeat #6 - 7 until you are done. >> >> Save the document. >> >> To change the variable's content (= its value) you can double click any >> one of the instances and edit the Value field in the Field Dialog. >> >> If you don't see any, you can play with the toggles in >> View > Field Shadings or View > Field Names. >> >> HTH >> Nino >> > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] No offline help 4.2.0.0
Den 29.11.2013 14:27, skreiv Tom Davies: Hi :) Which language? It's possible that non-English(US) languages might still be being translated. Even the English (US) one might possibly not be completely ready yet = which would make it difficult to translate! There is a carefully thought out process and series of freezes for these things to ensure that everything is ready for the proper release date but i just have no idea about the various teams schedules for that. I thought they normally have it ready for the betas but that wouldn't give them much time to do the work! Thank you for answering, Tom. Language Norwegian nynorsk (LANG=nn). I am translating UI and help files to this language. Later I'll download the English (original) version to give it a try. Perhaps tomorrow. (There is a life outside LO too). On the other hand it might be that you just didn't download the 2nd package? If you only downloaded the main installer then there should be a 2nd download to get the help package. If you are using non-English (US) then i think you have a 3rd package for the User Interface? As usual I downloaded the installation package (package no 1) using the default settings which placed the program in C:Programfiles (x86) -> LibreOfficeDev 4 folder. Second I installed the help packets nb, nn, and en-US (C:Programfiles (x86) -> LibreOfficeDev 4 -> help). I found no 3rd package. I have not found the language files for UI in the LO folder. It looks like the languages is integrated in some way in all the program files. In other programs they usually are put in a separate share -> language folder or something like that, but not so in LO. If you did download all the appropriate packages then you might have installed them in the wrong order. The main installer should be first and then the other 2 in any order you like (i think). With that sort of thing i lose track of which to do first so i just redo the 1st one after donig the others and that usually fixes it. So, if you already have a download of the help package then just reinstall it. As mentioned above, I think I installed LO correct. I installed the developer version just as previous versions. Normally I am doing my work using LO 4.1. Running 4.2 only for translation works. As a try I even used the Windows solution for solving all problems: restarting the computer. Kolbjoern Regards from Tom :) On 29 November 2013 12:42, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: Libreoffice 4.2.0.0 (beta 1). When I press F1 or "Help -> Help for LibreOffice" in the menu I get the online help (https://help.libreoffice.org/), not the inbuilt offline help. Any way to force the program to open offline help as in LO 4.1 or do I have to wait untill the next release of 4.2? I have not the knowledge to built my own version of 4.2. Running LO 4.2 on Windows 7. LO downloaded from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Kolbjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] No offline help 4.2.0.0
Libreoffice 4.2.0.0 (beta 1). When I press F1 or "Help -> Help for LibreOffice" in the menu I get the online help (https://help.libreoffice.org/), not the inbuilt offline help. Any way to force the program to open offline help as in LO 4.1 or do I have to wait untill the next release of 4.2? I have not the knowledge to built my own version of 4.2. Running LO 4.2 on Windows 7. LO downloaded from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Kolbjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
But what I cannot understand is why the continual changing by any ... to improve - ok; but this continual changing makes it nearly impossible to stay up-to-date; forinstance, the typewriter basically stayed the same - yes, they electrified it, even adding memory ... yet the operation of it remained as it had been ;-) forinstance, the automobile basically stayed the same - yes, they switched the driver's seat, the ignition, horn, brake placements ... yet the operation of it remained as it had been - up until the electronics were added ;-) forinstance, the craftsman took pride in his workmanship - then came advertising & the 'throw-away' society ;-( Are we better off with these changes or merely more 'n more confused & frustrated ;-) From me - the goofy, horse 'n buggy era-er ;-) Date: Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office Hi :) Thanks Pedro :) I am looking for criticism and for other points so that i can write a much shorter and less emotional list and maybe give a link to the "White Paper" that someone has been writing Regards from Tom :) On 29 November 2013 00:06, Pedro wrote: > Hi Tom > > > Tom wrote >> 2. The format stays the same between different versions of the >> program. It is the same format used "natively" by many other programs >> such as IBM Lotus Symphony, Google-docs, K.Office, Calligra and >> others. Even MS Office 2013, and more recent, can open and use the >> format which is an ISO format. > > Actually this is not true. The file extension is the same but the format has > been changing (that is why you have options to save to ODF 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and > 1.2 Extended) > If you try to open an ODF 1.2 Extended file more complex than simple text > with any other of those programs (even with some older versions of > LibreOffice) you will find some incompatibilities... > > So, I agree with most of your points but this argument is shooting yourself > on the foot. ODF does share that problem with MS XML files: same extension, > different file structure. > > The advantage is that you can always get the latest LibreOffice version for > free (unlike MS Office...) > > Cheers, > Pedro > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
