Re: [libreoffice-users] Imported document becomes corrupted, when edited.
Hi, Le 03/05/2014 16:08, Ian McCarthy a écrit : I have a document - https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp6rf6edhuui8qb/SpeyElectrics.v16.odt It consists of a number of pages, the first two should have only writing on them, then there are some line drawings, then a page with an annotated image (page 6), followed by some more diagrams. As a general rule, it is a bad idea to draw in Writer. It is more robust to draw in Draw module, group all objects of the same drawing and copypaste it in your text document. Grouping objects is very important. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Imported document becomes corrupted, when edited.
Hi, Le 03/05/2014 16:08, Ian McCarthy a écrit : [...] I have the latest Libre Office installed - 4.2.1.1 No, current stable version from 4.2 branch is 4.2.3 and 4.2.4 is on the way to be released soon (RC1 available). Please, check : https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Imported document becomes corrupted, when edited.
Ian McCarthy wrote I have a document - https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp6rf6edhuui8qb/SpeyElectrics.v16.odt It consists of a number of pages, the first two should have only writing on them, then there are some line drawings, then a page with an annotated image (page 6), followed by some more diagrams. I am having a number of problems. When I reopen the document after editing some of the draw lines and other objects. Things have leapt to other pages. When I attempt to select multiple objects so I can group them, when I press the shift key and click, I end up on the image page page 6 When I select a line, the line tool bar does not appear. I have to draw a new open line and then by selecting that I can get the line drawing tools icons (to add and delete points etc), and I may then be able to edit the line I wanted to edit. Is it something special about this document, or is this a more general problem. Make certain that you have enough memory for LibO and it's images, and that you leave them in memory whilst you work on the document. TOOLS OPTIONS MEMORY. Otherwise LibO will spend its time manipulating the drawings. Ifind the defaults are not correct for me. As well as the anchor point, I find it is also useful to manage the WRAP option. This has quite an effect on the text when you are adjusting the graphics. Peter -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Imported-document-becomes-corrupted-when-edited-tp4107441p4107505.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Imported document becomes corrupted, when edited.
Have you tried inserting a table to your page? 3 columns and two rows. Row 1 is for the pictures and row 2 are for the text for each photo. You can easily center the photos in each of their cell[s]. Seems to work for me. I tried it in LO 4.2.2.1 on a Linux Mint/MATE OS. Yes, in another post there is a comment about the object memory size. If the Memory size of the object and the number of objects values are too low, it might give you problems. Remember, the file size and the memory size are not the same. JPG images have a compression rating and can be much smaller than the memory that is needed to display it. I worked with a 4 MG file size JPG file and it took almost 20 MB of memory in the image editor. If I set the memory per object to 10MB and need 20MB, then they will be issues with the document, or so I have seen in tests a year or two ago. I never tried the Anchor to a Character before. I usually use Page or Paragraph types. But Page anchoring is not wise if you document will be added to before the image page, since the relative position of the image[s] in the document will change. On 05/03/2014 04:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Ahh, i was going to say i have more luck with Anchor to page but i strongly suspect Dan's finesses would fix all that Regards from Tom :) On 3 May 2014 21:32, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2014 04:06 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 05/03/2014 10:08 AM, Ian McCarthy wrote: I have a document - https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp6rf6edhuui8qb/SpeyElectrics.v16.odt It consists of a number of pages, the first two should have only writing on them, then there are some line drawings, then a page with an annotated image (page 6), followed by some more diagrams. I am having a number of problems. When I reopen the document after editing some of the draw lines and other objects. Things have leapt to other pages. When I attempt to select multiple objects so I can group them, when I press the shift key and click, I end up on the image page page 6 When I select a line, the line tool bar does not appear. I have to draw a new open line and then by selecting that I can get the line drawing tools icons (to add and delete points etc), and I may then be able to edit the line I wanted to edit. Is it something special about this document, or is this a more general problem. What do I do to fix it? I have the latest Libre Office installed - 4.2.1.1 I had a similar problem recently with a document in which I was trying to insert about 15 pictures. It was okay until I wanted three pictures side by side on the same page. Every time I tried to resize a picture or move it slightly, it suddenly moved to another page. When I tried to move it back, all kinds of things weird things happened. I think it has to do with my anchoring settings, especially since all three pictures were anchored to the same place, but since I just had to get the project done and didn't have time to play with it, I imported it all into LyX and finished it there. Later, I'll go back into LO to learn how to do it right. I sense that LO's wysiwyg approach makes things a little more complex. I even tried my document with pictures in a markdown editor and found it worked better there than in LO. Again, I'm sure a lot of has to do with my lack of knowledge of this part of LO. Virgil Suggestion: When inserting pictures, create an empty paragraph. Insert a frame in this paragraph, and insert the picture or pictures in the frame. Anchor both the frames and these pictures As Character. You should also create a paragraph style for your frames so that you can align them horizontally uniformly. This also permits you to have a border around each frame if you like or no border. The document guides for LibreOffice contain pictures in the hundreds with no apparent problem inserting and anchoring pictures. --Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot use GraphicExportFilter from external python script
Le 03/05/14 00:11, tvi a écrit : Hi Thomas, Your question is very much dev related. Maybe you should raise it on the dev mailing list or the dev irc channel ? Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Generating Address Labels not possible on OS X
Le 02/05/14 14:45, Burghard W.V. Britzke a écrit : Hi Burghard, I am Using LibreOffice 4.2.0.4 with german language on a OSX 10.9.2 box. I would try either downgrading to 4.1.x or upgrading to a more recent version of 4.2.x. The latest FRESH version of LO is 4.2.3 The latest version of LO 4.1.x is 4.1.6 The 4.2.0.x series had quite a lot of particularly annoying bugs on OSX, although I am unsure whether they actually got fixed. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Imported document becomes corrupted, when edited.
On 05/04/2014 06:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Have you tried inserting a table to your page? 3 columns and two rows. Row 1 is for the pictures and row 2 are for the text for each photo. You can easily center the photos in each of their cell[s]. Seems to work for me. Great idea! I don't know why I didn't think of it, since that was the precise solution suggested when I was trying the document in Markdown. I'll give it a go, and let you know. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!
Hi :) I don't see how this mailing-list could stop anyone from writing private emails to people who have written in to this mailing list. We have to work with what we have got. I agree it might be a good idea to encourage people to forwards Urmas' off-list remarks to somewhere but i'm not sure this list would be the best place. I'm not saying it definitely wouldn't be the best place, just that there are pros and cons to doing so. There is a moderators list and a postmasters email address, but sending just to them would keep those posts off this list and although that would be good in some ways it creates potential problems in others. If this mailing-list made it more difficult to respond to individuals than to the whole list then that might reduce the potential for that sort of behaviour but wouldn't eliminate it. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 14:41, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, I have to strongly disagree. As I've pointed out, bullies flourish when they can act unseen. This is personality disordered behavior (if I may put on my professional hat for a moment). It's due to lack of appropriate internal controls to structure behavior. The solution that works is not to yield ground but to provide external structure. Put plainly, that is about push back. One doesn't need to get riled. *One just needs to get clear, then act.* His behavior is unacceptable. Period. (And that's putting it politely.) The next person he does this to may be a 12 year old struggling to get a grip on the software and making a mess of it. You want to turn him loose to have at her? Really? I don't think you, and others, have really thought this through. He knows he's being watched, and yet he acts as if there is no problem for him at all. Why? *Because there isn't*. That needs to change. I suggest two solutions: he should be banished from the list. If he comes back, repeat as needed. And, until action is taken, all inappropriate emails from him or anyone else should be forwarded to the list. No cover for bullies, as I've already said. I've dealt with people like this on other lists, in my neighborhood, at work (my boss!), and in adolescent treatment centers and mental hospitals. It's always the same drill. One warning, then you lower the boom, decisively. Someone WILL be in control: it's them or it us. We have to decide. I DO expect an appropriate and effective response from this list, not some ineffectual roll-over. Tom On 05/04/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Various lists have had discussions about that sort of thing in general and about the specific case. It's a tricky one to handle but i figure the best on-list way is to just not get riled by his on-list replies. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 13:27, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Tom - On 05/04/2014 05:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi Tom :) Good answers to Urmas there. Considerate, understanding and light-hearted. Nicely done! :) I was allowing for the possibility that he wasn't serious. Turns out not to be true. I've almost never found 'professional' proprietary stuff to be any better than OpenSource. My experience exactly. Indeed a new study by an independant security company found that OpenSource had slightly less errors per 1,000 lines of code. There is also the usual faster response time to fixing issues due to even mere normal users being able to report issues quickly and fairly easily and perhaps even getting involved in solving the problem and discovering coding skills. *Faster response time:* Yes. I've been running the latest alpha build. My vector M nonsense problem is gone. But there was a problem with row sorting crashing the program. I just installed the very latest Master, on the advice of the dev replying to my bug report. Now THAT problem appears to be gone. This is all very cool. *Getting involved: *Yes, also. I'm learning the bug reporting interface and protocol, in the process. Is easy enough. Looks like I've found a way I can contribute, with my very limited time. That, too, is very cool. Now we just need to get right of the Urmas bullying bug and we'll be all set. I'll be watching that one especially closely. t. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 00:39, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: No I didn't. It went fine. I've been using it all day. Some problems have arisen, but I'm working through them and trying to find the pattern so I can report them usefully. t. On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto: gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/02/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Stuart, Update and status report - good news! - 1. I've installed Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1 Build ID: 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781. Did you by chance experience any dependency errors during your install? See:
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Hi :) +1 i agree that banning or booting is not as easy as it might seem. I think that it's more difficult for a bully to be effective when 1. the mailing list is supportive of individuals coming here and 2. when the mailing list is clearly not of the same opinion as the bully What doesn't help is when the mailing list gets bogged down in some flame-war or has a big fight over the issues or when personal insults fly to-and-fro. When someone new sees insults flying in from both sides it's difficult to see either side as (or any side) as being acceptable. I'm not suggesting that we sweep this under the rug nor that we avoid the issue nor pretend it doesn't exist. It does exist and at the moment we are lucky it is only 1 person. Once MS starts to get seriously worried about LO then history might repeat itself and we find ourselves swamped with many more. We already see that in the Comments sections under many articles, in the press, about LibreOffice. I'm not disagreeing with Tom or anyone else that has argued for banning and other punitive measures. On the contrary i think such measures could well prove useful in many cases and might even work sometimes or at least discourage such behaviour even if they are not always as effective as we would hope for. The more tools we have for dealing with this sort of behaviour the better imo. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 14:40, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
If a given poster is routinely offensive, I find it very effective to ignore said poster. If nobody responds to an offensive post, then the poster loses an audience. Virgil On 05/04/2014 01:24 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 i agree that banning or booting is not as easy as it might seem. I think that it's more difficult for a bully to be effective when 1. the mailing list is supportive of individuals coming here and 2. when the mailing list is clearly not of the same opinion as the bully What doesn't help is when the mailing list gets bogged down in some flame-war or has a big fight over the issues or when personal insults fly to-and-fro. When someone new sees insults flying in from both sides it's difficult to see either side as (or any side) as being acceptable. I'm not suggesting that we sweep this under the rug nor that we avoid the issue nor pretend it doesn't exist. It does exist and at the moment we are lucky it is only 1 person. Once MS starts to get seriously worried about LO then history might repeat itself and we find ourselves swamped with many more. We already see that in the Comments sections under many articles, in the press, about LibreOffice. I'm not disagreeing with Tom or anyone else that has argued for banning and other punitive measures. On the contrary i think such measures could well prove useful in many cases and might even work sometimes or at least discourage such behaviour even if they are not always as effective as we would hope for. The more tools we have for dealing with this sort of behaviour the better imo. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 14:40, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Request for review: (Re: Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Urmas wrote: [expletives] Urmas, stop this. This is now way beyond any acceptable limits. -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Jim Seymour wrote: Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. That is indeed sensible advise. And now let's return to normal levels of civility here on this list. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
On Sun, 4 May 2014 09:40:36 -0400 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote: On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600 Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Re: status of forum participant Urmas - I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual - approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to some individual participating in this forum. Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill. I guess it doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love. Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral guidelines here? Shouldn't we have? They could boot him. Then he could get a new email address somewhere else, and start all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat. People like him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA. [snip] I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make it a month. Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be done with it. Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be gone from your life. Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter? A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot. Jim +1 Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.14.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Apr 27 11:28:44 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Request for review: (Re: Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Sigrid Carrera: those posts through, that do not insult anyone on the list. Please quote me where I did insult anyone here. This is slander. I don't think that there is much use in banning him from the mailing lists itself You seem to forget yourself. I am contributing to this project and would like to be treated accordingly by outsiders. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!
Tom, I have to strongly disagree. As I've pointed out, bullies flourish when they can act unseen. This is personality disordered behavior (if I may put on my professional hat for a moment). It's due to lack of appropriate internal controls to structure behavior. The solution that works is not to yield ground but to provide external structure. Put plainly, that is about push back. One doesn't need to get riled. _One just needs to get clear, then act._ His behavior is unacceptable. Period. (And that's putting it politely.) The next person he does this to may be a 12 year old struggling to get a grip on the software and making a mess of it. You want to turn him loose to have at her? Really? I don't think you, and others, have really thought this through. He knows he's being watched, and yet he acts as if there is no problem for him at all. Why? _Because there isn't_. That needs to change. I suggest two solutions: he should be banished from the list. If he comes back, repeat as needed. And, until action is taken, all inappropriate emails from him or anyone else should be forwarded to the list. No cover for bullies, as I've already said. I've dealt with people like this on other lists, in my neighborhood, at work (my boss!), and in adolescent treatment centers and mental hospitals. It's always the same drill. One warning, then you lower the boom, decisively. Someone WILL be in control: it's them or it us. We have to decide. I DO expect an appropriate and effective response from this list, not some ineffectual roll-over. Tom On 05/04/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Various lists have had discussions about that sort of thing in general and about the specific case. It's a tricky one to handle but i figure the best on-list way is to just not get riled by his on-list replies. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 13:27, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com mailto:tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Tom - On 05/04/2014 05:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi Tom :) Good answers to Urmas there. Considerate, understanding and light-hearted. Nicely done! :) I was allowing for the possibility that he wasn't serious. Turns out not to be true. I've almost never found 'professional' proprietary stuff to be any better than OpenSource. My experience exactly. Indeed a new study by an independant security company found that OpenSource had slightly less errors per 1,000 lines of code. There is also the usual faster response time to fixing issues due to even mere normal users being able to report issues quickly and fairly easily and perhaps even getting involved in solving the problem and discovering coding skills. *Faster response time:* Yes. I've been running the latest alpha build. My vector M nonsense problem is gone. But there was a problem with row sorting crashing the program. I just installed the very latest Master, on the advice of the dev replying to my bug report. Now THAT problem appears to be gone. This is all very cool. *Getting involved: *Yes, also.**I'm learning the bug reporting interface and protocol, in the process. Is easy enough. Looks like I've found a way I can contribute, with my very limited time. That, too, is very cool. Now we just need to get right of the Urmas bullying bug and we'll be all set. I'll be watching that one especially closely. t. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 00:39, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com mailto:tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: No I didn't. It went fine. I've been using it all day. Some problems have arisen, but I'm working through them and trying to find the pattern so I can report them usefully. t. On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/02/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Stuart, Update and status report - good news! - 1. I've installed Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1 Build ID: 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781. Did you by chance experience any dependency errors during your install? See: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7823 (Dependency errors with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb install) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%252bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!
Hi :) Various lists have had discussions about that sort of thing in general and about the specific case. It's a tricky one to handle but i figure the best on-list way is to just not get riled by his on-list replies. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 13:27, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: Tom - On 05/04/2014 05:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi Tom :) Good answers to Urmas there. Considerate, understanding and light-hearted. Nicely done! :) I was allowing for the possibility that he wasn't serious. Turns out not to be true. I've almost never found 'professional' proprietary stuff to be any better than OpenSource. My experience exactly. Indeed a new study by an independant security company found that OpenSource had slightly less errors per 1,000 lines of code. There is also the usual faster response time to fixing issues due to even mere normal users being able to report issues quickly and fairly easily and perhaps even getting involved in solving the problem and discovering coding skills. *Faster response time:* Yes. I've been running the latest alpha build. My vector M nonsense problem is gone. But there was a problem with row sorting crashing the program. I just installed the very latest Master, on the advice of the dev replying to my bug report. Now THAT problem appears to be gone. This is all very cool. *Getting involved: *Yes, also. I'm learning the bug reporting interface and protocol, in the process. Is easy enough. Looks like I've found a way I can contribute, with my very limited time. That, too, is very cool. Now we just need to get right of the Urmas bullying bug and we'll be all set. I'll be watching that one especially closely. t. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 00:39, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: No I didn't. It went fine. I've been using it all day. Some problems have arisen, but I'm working through them and trying to find the pattern so I can report them usefully. t. On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto: gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/02/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Stuart, Update and status report - good news! - 1. I've installed Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1 Build ID: 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781. Did you by chance experience any dependency errors during your install? See: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7823 (Dependency errors with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb install) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!
Tom - On 05/04/2014 05:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi Tom :) Good answers to Urmas there. Considerate, understanding and light-hearted. Nicely done! :) I was allowing for the possibility that he wasn't serious. Turns out not to be true. I've almost never found 'professional' proprietary stuff to be any better than OpenSource. My experience exactly. Indeed a new study by an independant security company found that OpenSource had slightly less errors per 1,000 lines of code. There is also the usual faster response time to fixing issues due to even mere normal users being able to report issues quickly and fairly easily and perhaps even getting involved in solving the problem and discovering coding skills. *Faster response time:* Yes. I've been running the latest alpha build. My vector M nonsense problem is gone. But there was a problem with row sorting crashing the program. I just installed the very latest Master, on the advice of the dev replying to my bug report. Now THAT problem appears to be gone. This is all very cool. *Getting involved: *Yes, also.**I'm learning the bug reporting interface and protocol, in the process. Is easy enough. Looks like I've found a way I can contribute, with my very limited time. That, too, is very cool. Now we just need to get right of the Urmas bullying bug and we'll be all set. I'll be watching that one especially closely. t. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 00:39, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com mailto:tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: No I didn't. It went fine. I've been using it all day. Some problems have arisen, but I'm working through them and trying to find the pattern so I can report them usefully. t. On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/02/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Stuart, Update and status report - good news! - 1. I've installed Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1 Build ID: 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781. Did you by chance experience any dependency errors during your install? See: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7823 (Dependency errors with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb install) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%252bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!
Hi Tom :) Good answers to Urmas there. Considerate, understanding and light-hearted. Nicely done! :) I've almost never found 'professional' proprietary stuff to be any better than OpenSource. Indeed a new study by an independant security company found that OpenSource had slightly less errors per 1,000 lines of code. There is also the usual faster response time to fixing issues due to even mere normal users being able to report issues quickly and fairly easily and perhaps even getting involved in solving the problem and discovering coding skills. Regards from Tom :) On 4 May 2014 00:39, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: No I didn't. It went fine. I've been using it all day. Some problems have arisen, but I'm working through them and trying to find the pattern so I can report them usefully. t. On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net mailto: gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/02/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Stuart, Update and status report - good news! - 1. I've installed Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1 Build ID: 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781. Did you by chance experience any dependency errors during your install? See: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7823 (Dependency errors with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb install) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Request for review: (Re: Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
It should be obvious that I don't need permission. If you give bullies cover, they will flourish. It's that simple. No cover. None. t. On 05/03/2014 07:22 PM, Urmas wrote: Sigrid Carrera: Who gave that idiot a permission to publish my personal E-mails in a public list? I never did, so please remove the last message (53653faf.8010...@gmail.com). -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Request for review: (Re: Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Hi Urmas GSM Le 4 mai 2014 22:51, Urmas davian...@gmail.com a écrit : Sigrid Carrera: those posts through, that do not insult anyone on the list. Please quote me where I did insult anyone here. This is slander. If you don't see where, even quoting your mails won't make you aware of your insults. We have been several to warn you either here and on Bugzilla about your bad behaviour since some times now. I don't think that there is much use in banning him from the mailing lists itself You seem to forget yourself. I am contributing to this project and would like to be treated accordingly by outsiders. You will be well treated only and only if you treat others the same way. We don't care about your contributions if they are not done by respecting the other members of the community. I hope that you will really read and understand what I mean because otherwise you would have lost the pleasure and the opportunity to be a contributor of our great community. Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
+1 Virgil There is no worse contempt that not to do appreciation. Miguel Ángel -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/crash-crash-crash-crash-tp4106932p4107580.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
