[libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Andrew Beverley]

Hi guys,

I'm having a few minor problems with compatibility when importing MS
documents into LibreOffice. I know all the issues surrounding
proprietary formats etc, but nonetheless would like to get this to work
as best as possible, as I am largely stuck with using the aforementioned
formats.

As such, I'm interested in professional support to provide bug-fixes
when I come across the above issues. I've read the professional support
page on the website and realise that there is a whole bunch of people
who can provide those services. However, to help me approach the right
person, I thought I'd ask here as to who might be good for this sort of
work. If possible, I'd rather work with an individual than a company.

The fixes will mainly be needed in Writer and Impress. I won't go into
the details here, but most of the issues are already bug reports, so I'm
simply interested in getting them expedited.

I'm also interested in sponsoring development of the much-needed
improvements for cropping images (#34555).

Thanks,

Andy



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Florian Reisinger]

Hi,

As I know some guys from Collabora:

https://libreoffice-from-collabora.com/l3-support/
Quoting the price:

"Bug-fix insurance / entitlements, with no-claims discounts if not used.
Single bug fixes, on-demand: US$ 8,000 each.
Multiple bug fixes, pre-purchased in support packages."
I do not know how much it is worth for you :)

You can also ask here: http://www.lanedo.com/libreoffice-support/

NOTE: I am not paid for pointing out these, but I met them @ the LibO 
Conference :)
I do not know, why you dislike a company to help you here, they have the 
experts and the power, and many certified decs work at these two companies

Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger

> Am 01.07.2014 um 13:37 schrieb Andrew Beverley :
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm having a few minor problems with compatibility when importing MS
> documents into LibreOffice. I know all the issues surrounding
> proprietary formats etc, but nonetheless would like to get this to work
> as best as possible, as I am largely stuck with using the aforementioned
> formats.
> 
> As such, I'm interested in professional support to provide bug-fixes
> when I come across the above issues. I've read the professional support
> page on the website and realise that there is a whole bunch of people
> who can provide those services. However, to help me approach the right
> person, I thought I'd ask here as to who might be good for this sort of
> work. If possible, I'd rather work with an individual than a company.
> 
> The fixes will mainly be needed in Writer and Impress. I won't go into
> the details here, but most of the issues are already bug reports, so I'm
> simply interested in getting them expedited.
> 
> I'm also interested in sponsoring development of the much-needed
> improvements for cropping images (#34555).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Andrew Beverley]

Tom, Florian,

Thanks for the replies.

> An advantage of dealing with a single individual is that you build-up
> a relationship with them.

Yeah, that was part of it. I've built up relationships with a few
developers in other areas, and it's always nice to discuss things on a
personal level.

>   However if they are working on something else or distracted or get
> stuck on one issue then it becomes difficult.  Plus they are more
> likely to be more dependant on fixing the problem for you.  
>
> An advantage of using a company is they can overcome a greater range
> of potential problems, especially if they are a diverse group with
> different back-grounds.  

Of course.

> If it's a small enough company then you might even retain some/all of
> the advantages of having an individual.  

Certainly open to that.

> The people at Collabora are likely to be an excellent choice.  They
> mostly used to be part of a large company that wanted much the same
> support you are looking for but they wanted it "in-house".  So they
> had a whole team working on LO full-time for years.  The structure of
> TDF allows many organisations to do this and to have their teams or
> individual devs working inside TDF itself.  So the Collabora people
> have been one of the crucial parts of TDF and have worked on LO for
> years.  

Okay, that sounds great. However...

> Quoting the price:
>
> "Bug-fix insurance / entitlements, with no-claims discounts if
> not used.
> Single bug fixes, on-demand: US$ 8,000 each.

This is the real issue. I don't doubt it's good value, but I probably
should have explained my situation: at the moment I'm a single
individual trying to move small companies onto Libreoffice. Money for
the fixes will come straight from my own pocket, so my budget per fix is
more like several hundred dollars than several thousand. If there is no
hope of *anybody* working for this, then please let me know.

So, my other thinking of finding an individual, is that I'm more likely
to be able afford their hourly rate ;-)

Thanks,

Andy



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Cley Faye]

2014-07-01 16:46 GMT+02:00 Andrew Beverley :

> This is the real issue. I don't doubt it's good value, but I probably
> should have explained my situation: at the moment I'm a single
> individual trying to move small companies onto Libreoffice. Money for
> the fixes will come straight from my own pocket, so my budget per fix is
> more like several hundred dollars than several thousand. If there is no
> hope of *anybody* working for this, then please let me know.
>

​Unless having a very specific corner-case,​ it is very possible that
you're not alone having this issue. It might be interesting to have some
place to regroup funding for fixing such bugs. Kinda like crowdfunding, but
with bug reports instead of projects.


However, I can very well see this being misused with either tons of bogus
bug report, or getting targeted as "LO is not free anymore" or something.
Maybe in your case you could mention in the bug report that you're looking
for people that need this fixed, and can contribute toward this goal. $8k
is a huge amount, but if multiple individuals/small companies are facing
this issue and really wish to see a fix, it might be feasible.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello,

On 1 juillet 2014 17:16:32 CEST, Cley Faye  wrote:
>2014-07-01 16:46 GMT+02:00 Andrew Beverley :
>
>> This is the real issue. I don't doubt it's good value, but I probably
>> should have explained my situation: at the moment I'm a single
>> individual trying to move small companies onto Libreoffice. Money for
>> the fixes will come straight from my own pocket, so my budget per fix
>is
>> more like several hundred dollars than several thousand. If there is
>no
>> hope of *anybody* working for this, then please let me know.
>>
>
>​Unless having a very specific corner-case,​ it is very possible that
>you're not alone having this issue. It might be interesting to have
>some
>place to regroup funding for fixing such bugs. Kinda like crowdfunding,
>but
>with bug reports instead of projects.
>
>
>However, I can very well see this being misused with either tons of
>bogus
>bug report, or getting targeted as "LO is not free anymore" or
>something.
>Maybe in your case you could mention in the bug report that you're
>looking
>for people that need this fixed, and can contribute toward this goal.
>$8k
>is a huge amount, but if multiple individuals/small companies are
>facing
>this issue and really wish to see a fix, it might be feasible.

Perhaps setting a service contract with 2 levels providers might work? It is a 
rathr standard way to operate. Customer(s) buy a support or service contract 
and there is one provider offering migration while one offers technical 
support. 

Do  not forget that the Document Foundation encourages certification for 
migration providers, something we are setting up.

Best,

Charles.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Formatting in LO spreadsheet

[Brian Barker]

At 23:16 30/06/2014 +0200, Rob Jasper wrote:
Indeed when I look at the formatting after saving and reopening the 
file, the formatting changed from #0,00# to #0,000 .


All predefined number formats are saved, and restored upon 
reopening. If I define a user-defined format, it is all of a sudden 
not saved...


No, that's not true: it's just this particular - and rather unusual - 
format with a hash after the zeroes (rather than before) that 
evidently cannot be saved. Note that such formats are apparently 
*never* saved as such in ODF files - just a description in a 
different form that indicates the same format, but which is not 
capable of describing the unusual format that you have chosen.


Also, if I save in MS .xlsx format it comes up fine in both MS-Excel 
(Excel for Mac 2011, V14.0.0 (100825)). If I open that file with LO 
it has also my defined formatting still available.


I'm guessing, then, that the actual format character sequence is 
saved in that file format.


Regardless what the technical cause is for this, it is at least user 
unfriendly?


Possibly.


Questions to be asked:
- What use has a user defined number format, if it can't be saved?


Come, come: user-defined formats generally *can* be saved, just not 
all of them - and apparently not your rather unusual one. Perhaps the 
designers of Star Office / OpenOffice / LibreOffice based the format 
code on Microsoft's, knowing that it could saved in Microsoft's 
document formats? Could it perhaps be saved in the old Star Office .sxc format?


- If this is indeed a restriction in the ODF definition, why is LO 
not warning like "The defined format can not be saved in the desired 
file format"?


Dunno.

- Why does LO consider the format change a change in the first 
place? (If I open the file, change the format as I like it, it is 
considered changed, while the file stays exactly the same)


Any change is a change, including a format change. You wouldn't 
change the format if you didn't want that to change something. This 
situation is rather as if you replaced some character in a document 
with an identical character: the document is still considered 
changed. Indeed, there may be unobvious ways in which it actually will be.



- Should we consider this as a flaw in the ODF definitions?


That's a value judgement for you to make. It's certainly something 
that can be handled in Calc but apparently not saved in an ODF document.



Where can we complain about this?


Either to OASIS (if you want the ODF format modified to allow this) 
or to the LibreOffice bug reporting system (if you want your original 
format not to work even at first, or if you want a warning that it 
cannot be saved in ODF documents).


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
An advantage of dealing with a single individual is that you build-up a
relationship with them.  However if they are working on something else or
distracted or get stuck on one issue then it becomes difficult.  Plus they
are more likely to be more dependant on fixing the problem for you.

An advantage of using a company is they can overcome a greater range of
potential problems, especially if they are a diverse group with different
back-grounds.

If it's a small enough company then you might even retain some/all of the
advantages of having an individual.


The people at Collabora are likely to be an excellent choice.  They mostly
used to be part of a large company that wanted much the same support you
are looking for but they wanted it "in-house".  So they had a whole team
working on LO full-time for years.  The structure of TDF allows many
organisations to do this and to have their teams or individual devs working
inside TDF itself.  So the Collabora people have been one of the crucial
parts of TDF and have worked on LO for years.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 1 July 2014 14:42, Florian Reisinger  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As I know some guys from Collabora:
>
> https://libreoffice-from-collabora.com/l3-support/
> Quoting the price:
>
> "Bug-fix insurance / entitlements, with no-claims discounts if not used.
> Single bug fixes, on-demand: US$ 8,000 each.
> Multiple bug fixes, pre-purchased in support packages."
> I do not know how much it is worth for you :)
>
> You can also ask here: http://www.lanedo.com/libreoffice-support/
>
> NOTE: I am not paid for pointing out these, but I met them @ the LibO
> Conference :)
> I do not know, why you dislike a company to help you here, they have the
> experts and the power, and many certified decs work at these two
> companies
>
> Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
> Florian Reisinger
>
> > Am 01.07.2014 um 13:37 schrieb Andrew Beverley :
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm having a few minor problems with compatibility when importing MS
> > documents into LibreOffice. I know all the issues surrounding
> > proprietary formats etc, but nonetheless would like to get this to work
> > as best as possible, as I am largely stuck with using the aforementioned
> > formats.
> >
> > As such, I'm interested in professional support to provide bug-fixes
> > when I come across the above issues. I've read the professional support
> > page on the website and realise that there is a whole bunch of people
> > who can provide those services. However, to help me approach the right
> > person, I thought I'd ask here as to who might be good for this sort of
> > work. If possible, I'd rather work with an individual than a company.
> >
> > The fixes will mainly be needed in Writer and Impress. I won't go into
> > the details here, but most of the issues are already bug reports, so I'm
> > simply interested in getting them expedited.
> >
> > I'm also interested in sponsoring development of the much-needed
> > improvements for cropping images (#34555).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem installing extension

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry no response earlier!  Were you able to fix this?

I think the best plan might have been to
*  post a bug-report
*  ask the L10n mailing list (international coordination for translators of
all languages) and/or the French Users List to see if others had the same
problem
*  go back to an earlier version

It's generally best to do at least 2 of those sorts of options so that
other people do hear of the problem and may do something to follow-up so
that it's got more chance of being fixed in a future release.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 26 June 2014 09:25, Graham Luffrum  wrote:

> I recently updated LO to Version 4.2.4.2 (Build 420m0(Build:2)) from the
> Linux Mint repositories (I am using Linux Mint 17) and tried installing a
> new extension. The installation did not complete and I got the error
> message
>
> "ImplementationRegistration::registerImplementation() - The service
> com.sun.star.loader.Python cannot be instantiated".
>
> The extension is a French dictionary. On trying an Italian dictionary I had
> no problem. I also tried installing the French dictionary extension from
> AOO, but got the same error message. I have tried renaming my user profile,
> but that made no difference.
>
> Has LO 4.2.4.2 got something against the French language or is the problem
> somewhere else?  Any hints would be welcome.
>
> Graham
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[libreoffice-users] Re: ni podprto na drugih računalnikih/Not supported on other computers

[Urmas]

but a problem arises when I
want to send
through the program libre office writer a dadoteko via Gmail or
were any other options to write the addressee is not supported and can
not open


You need a MIME-compatible E-Mail client, like Microsoft Outlook or 
Thunderbird to use this feature.

There is a bug which prevents its usage with Windows Live Mail.



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[libreoffice-users] Libre office 64 Bit

[Lubecki Maciej POKROWIEC.COM]

Welcome Everyone .
I have a Question . Is there 64 Bit version of Libre Office for WINDOWS 
8 ??? 64 BIT ???

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility issue opening an .xlsx file with calc: Err:509

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think the file needs a data-source.

For XlsX and Ods you should be able to rename the file-ending to zip and
then open with an archive-manager.  However the XlsX file would not open
that way and grumbled about a loading error.  When i used LO to "Save As
..." i ended up losing the drop-downs in each cell :(

Regards from
Tom :)




On 1 July 2014 00:00, Xbot  wrote:

>
> Le 30/06/2014 20:50, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > Le 30/06/2014 18:40, Xbot a écrit :
> >> I have a compatibility issue opening an .xlsx file with calc (LO
> >> 4.2.5.2): instead of different choices in a pull-down menu, I only get
> >> Err:509 when for example I click on the arrow .
> >>
> > Just have a glance at this document:
> >
> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/elibrary/case/complex-singularity-versus-openness
> > so that you get an idea of the mess that's behind .xlxs (resp. .docx)
> > and the burden which is on the LibO programmers shoulders to be
> > compatible with the said mess.
> I can imagine, as for me I'm convinced by FOSS and I try to convince my
> coworkers to go on using LO, that's why I'm so willing to find a solution.
>
> >> I've attached the xlsx file, hope it helps.
> > Note that this list can't accept attachments. Please upload your file to
> > some repository so that others here can reach it.
> >
> Sorry I didn't know, so here is the file online:
> http://demo.ovh.eu/fr/e4d727f5135591b7baabb173d2bddb2f/
>
> Any idea?
>
> Kind regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre office 64 Bit

[Florian Reisinger]

Hi,

Not yet :) You do not need one, you can use the 32 bit :)

Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger

> Am 01.07.2014 um 13:32 schrieb "Lubecki Maciej POKROWIEC.COM" 
> :
> 
> Welcome Everyone .
> I have a Question . Is there 64 Bit version of Libre Office for WINDOWS 8 ??? 
> 64 BIT ???
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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Linux Bug 80661 Filed] Re: LO Draw crashes importing Microsoft Publisher file (ping Brennan/Fridrich/Valek?)

[Mark Bourne]

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Draw didn't import my .pub files perfectly but it was close enough and the
misses are areas that also cause problem in MS Office.

It looked like i only got 1 page out of the 2 but i didn't poke around much
so that is probably user-error and i'll probabl stumble on the answer when
i poke around some more.


Do you have the "Pages" pane at the left side? If not, try View > Page 
Pane. I'd guess that's where additional pages from the Publisher file 
would appear, just as for multi-page .odg files. If there's only one 
page there, perhaps the import filter is limited to only importing the 
first page.



Plus my .pubs didn't crash my 4.2.4 on Ubuntu 14.04 but i'm not sure if
it's the Ubuntu-ised version, from a repo or directly downloaded pure LO
:(  Sorry!  Completely lost track here!


Does Help > About LibreOffice give any clue? On my Windows version, it 
says near the bottom "This release was supplied by The Document 
Foundation". I don't know if the Ubuntu repository version would say 
something different there.


Mark.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: ni podprto na drugih računalnikih/Not supported on other computers

[Mark Bourne]

For replies in Slovenian, try the mailing lists at:
  https://sl.libreoffice.org/po-pomoc/
To translate from English to Slovenian:
  https://translate.google.com/#en/sl/

Google Translate makes a bit more sense when spaces are put in after the 
full-stops in the original (Slovenian, according to Google):

I have loaded your program libre office and I have to say that I am with him in 
general
very pleased. But in oporabi [uporabi? use] this program but a problem arises 
when
I want to send over the program libre office writer a dadoteko [datoteko? file] 
via Gmail
respectively. should any other options that the addressee is not write-enabled 
and not
can not open. Is this a problem that how to solve the answer you in advance
thank.


From that translation, it is not clear whether the problem is with 
sending or receiving.


To send emails, LibreOffice needs an email program installed on your 
computer. "File" > "Send" > "Document as Email..." might not work with 
GMail if you only use GMail from their web page. Save the file to your 
computer, then start a new email in GMail and attach the file to the email.


If the recipient uses a program which cannot open OpenDocument format 
(.od*) files (such as older versions of Microsoft Office), the best 
solution is for them to install LibreOffice (it is free). If they are 
not able to do that, you can save the file from LibreOffice in a 
Microsoft format and send that to them:

- From the "File" menu, select "Save As"
- Next to "Save as type", choose "Microsoft  97/2000/XP/2003"
Do not use the "Microsoft  2007/2010 XML" formats; they are less 
reliable, and if the recipient cannot open ODF files they might not be 
able to open Microsoft 2007/2010 files either. Some details can be lost 
when converting to Microsoft formats, so it is best to keep your main 
copy of the file in LibreOffice's default format (ODF). Save a copy in 
Microsoft format only when you need to send it to someone who cannot use 
ODF.


If the recipient can open the file but not modify it, that is probably 
because of how they open it. When choosing the option to "open" an 
attachment, most programs download it to a temporary folder and mark it 
as read-only, since changes to that copy would not be saved (you cannot 
modify the copy attached to the email). To modify it, the recipient 
needs to save the attachment to their computer and open it from there.


Mark.


anne-ology wrote:

When I translate your message from whatever to English (using a
computer program only),
I don't understand your question;
  maybe someone who knows whatever language your using will respond.

Have you checked to see if there is a list in a language you speak?



From: "andraž oblak" 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc:
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:46:32 +0200
Subject: [libreoffice-users] ni podprto na drugih računalnikih
Podravljeni!

Imam naložen vaš program libre office in moram reči da sem z njim nasplošno
zelo zadovoljen.Ampak pri oporabi tega programa se pa pojavi neka težava ko
želim poslati preko programa libre office writer neko dadoteko preko gmaila
oz. bilo katere koli druge možnosti naslovniku napiše da ni podprto in ne
more odpreti.Ali se to težavo da kako rešiti za odgovor se vam v naprej
najlepše zahvaljujem.

L.P.

--
translation: (via computer)

I have loaded your program libre office and I have to say that I am with
him in general
very zadovoljen.Ampak oporabi in this program, but a problem arises when I
want to send
through the program libre office writer a dadoteko via Gmail or
. were any other options to write the addressee is not supported and can
not
odpreti.Ali this problem that how to solve the answer you in advance
thank.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Linux Bug 80661 Filed] Re: LO Draw crashes importing Microsoft Publisher file (ping Brennan/Fridrich/Valek?)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Oops, i still haven't gotten around to all that.

On Kubuntu on my home machine it does say that
"This release was supplied by The Document Foundation, Debian and Ubuntu"
I'll try to remember to check on the machine i had been using at work next
time i go in.

Thanks for the tip about Draw having a "Pages" pane in the View menu.  I
still haven't poked around but do plan to do so.

Thanks and regards from
Tom :)



On 1 July 2014 20:41, Mark Bourne 
wrote:

> Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> Draw didn't import my .pub files perfectly but it was close enough and the
>> misses are areas that also cause problem in MS Office.
>>
>> It looked like i only got 1 page out of the 2 but i didn't poke around
>> much
>> so that is probably user-error and i'll probabl stumble on the answer when
>> i poke around some more.
>>
>
> Do you have the "Pages" pane at the left side? If not, try View > Page
> Pane. I'd guess that's where additional pages from the Publisher file would
> appear, just as for multi-page .odg files. If there's only one page there,
> perhaps the import filter is limited to only importing the first page.
>
>
>  Plus my .pubs didn't crash my 4.2.4 on Ubuntu 14.04 but i'm not sure if
>> it's the Ubuntu-ised version, from a repo or directly downloaded pure LO
>> :(  Sorry!  Completely lost track here!
>>
>
> Does Help > About LibreOffice give any clue? On my Windows version, it
> says near the bottom "This release was supplied by The Document
> Foundation". I don't know if the Ubuntu repository version would say
> something different there.
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre office 64 Bit

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
32 bit apps work in a 64bit OS.

You can think of the OS as a container holding all the apps.  The
visualisation probably doesn't help in other situations but it kinda makes
sense that apps are inside the OS.

Regards from
Tom :)




On 1 July 2014 19:12, Florian Reisinger  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Not yet :) You do not need one, you can use the 32 bit :)
>
> Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
> Florian Reisinger
>
> > Am 01.07.2014 um 13:32 schrieb "Lubecki Maciej POKROWIEC.COM" <
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> >
> > Welcome Everyone .
> > I have a Question . Is there 64 Bit version of Libre Office for WINDOWS
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Andrew Beverley]

On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 16:18 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> That once they reach a stage of their migration where they start
> making substantial savings then they could put a fraction of that
> saving into external support like that or even to consider paying a
> couple of in-house devs part-time.  

Thanks Tom, a good idea, and certainly the kind of direction I'd like to
go. However, at the moment, it's a company with only 4 employees, so
that's not a lot of development work that can be done with the savings
(at least in the short term).

The problem is that I'm having trouble migrating even one of the users
across when some things don't work as expected (we've all heard it: "the
document opens okay in MS office"). Whilst I understand all the issues
and am happy to fund within my own budget, it's very difficult to
persuade the end-user given the circumstances.

Wish me luck!

Andy




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Andrew Beverley]

On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 17:16 +0200, Cley Faye wrote:
> ​Unless having a very specific corner-case,​ it is very possible that
> you're not alone having this issue. It might be interesting to have some
> place to regroup funding for fixing such bugs. Kinda like crowdfunding, but
> with bug reports instead of projects.

A great idea (thanks Tom as well). In fact, I'm surprised it doesn't
already exist.

There must be a ton of people who want an improved cropping tool.

> However, I can very well see this being misused with either tons of bogus
> bug report, or getting targeted as "LO is not free anymore" or something.

Maybe if it's kept outside of the main LO ecosystem? There are plenty of
crowd-funding websites that could be used. Is this the right place to
discuss the idea?

> Maybe in your case you could mention in the bug report that you're looking
> for people that need this fixed, and can contribute toward this goal.

Good point, although I'd be worried it would be too little too slowly,
only as people come across the bug report.

Andy



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Re: [libreoffice-users] which version has the best legacy importing?

[anne-ology]

   This was sent mistakenly to me;
   since I merely responded to the initial sender, am forwarding to
the list.



From: William W. Austin 
Date: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] which version has the best legacy
importing?
To: anne-ology 


Hello,

Apologies for replying off-list.  I'm working VO right now, and even if
I do so while I'm at lunch, my employer tends to think I'm "goofing
off."  Hence any replies I send between 08:00 and 18:00 (M-S) are
usually "off-list."




> I would like to know which of the older versions of LO has the best
> ability
> to import really old word processor formats.

Concerning the floppy drive, get a USB floppy drive.  They're not only
easier to deal with, they're also faster than the old "normal" floppy
drives.  If that isn't an option, there are floppies which use an IDE
cable and work nicely (I think I've seen them on both NewEgg and
Amazon). (BTW, converting things from 8" DSDD floppies is less fun than
it sounds ... and I don't think there actually is a USB version of
those...)

[SNIP]

> I have been asked to copy files off a floppy drive and convert the
> files to
> be able to work with the current tech.  Right now, I have to find a
> working
> floppy drive to access the disc.  Right now, the only system with a
> floppy
> drive has a non-working drive, I have to replace it.  My main system
> does
> not even have a cable port for a floppy drive, and it seems all of
> the
> others I have opened up are the same.

[SNIP AGAIN]

I have kept a "well protected" copy of the 2.4 release of OOo around
for just such tasks as reading "orphaned" format docs, and I also have
a VERY old copy of StarOffice7 for the same purpose.  There may be a
release of LO which corresponds to the OOo release I hang on to, but I
didn't start using it until the 3.4.1rc3 release, so I don't know...
sorry).

Surprisingly the last release of IBM's Symphony tucks in a couple of
items which were not in any of the OOo or LO releases I've used - or it
did a better job on some of them (sorry - it has been 2 years since I
did any of this, so I'm a bit "fuzzy" as to details).

Occasionally I have to resort to the last Linux release of Applix, but
it is a little bit of a pain because I have to reinstall (my own rpm) a
set of libraries going back as far as what came with either RedHat 9 or
Fedora FC 2 (not sure off the top of my head) - otherwise sometimes
Applix and or WP (yes there actually was a Linux version at one
point) bomb out while running.

Finally I also have - on a windows xp machine (kept just for that
purpose) copies of Framemaker and Word Perfect - again for the same
reason.

I had to set up all of that about 3 years ago when I inherited a
project from someone who retired, and it included porting about 30k of
docs from "ancient" formats to something readable today.

I hope this helps...

 - wwa

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Bruce Carlson]

Hi Andy,

Just a quick note of support.
Several years ago I helped a friend in a small business with just 6 computers 
migrate to LO and while it was a bit of a challenge at first the users very 
quickly realised the advantages and yes some MSO documents will give you 
trouble especially .docx but it is worth the perseverance. (If you have 
problems with .docx, convert them to .doc and then to ODF.)
Now that company employs over 30 people and they save everything in ODF formats 
and only convert documents to MSO formats when a customer or supplier 
specifically requests it.
Push ahead with the confidence that you are doing the right thing.

 Cheers,
Bruce Carlson

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Beverley [mailto:a...@andybev.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2014 8:43 AM
To: Tom Davies
Cc: Florian Reisinger; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 16:18 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> That once they reach a stage of their migration where they start 
> making substantial savings then they could put a fraction of that 
> saving into external support like that or even to consider paying a 
> couple of in-house devs part-time.

Thanks Tom, a good idea, and certainly the kind of direction I'd like to go. 
However, at the moment, it's a company with only 4 employees, so that's not a 
lot of development work that can be done with the savings (at least in the 
short term).

The problem is that I'm having trouble migrating even one of the users across 
when some things don't work as expected (we've all heard it: "the document 
opens okay in MS office"). Whilst I understand all the issues and am happy to 
fund within my own budget, it's very difficult to persuade the end-user given 
the circumstances.

Wish me luck!

Andy




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Alex Thurgood]

Le 02/07/2014 00:54, Andrew Beverley a écrit :

Hi Andrew,

> 
> A great idea (thanks Tom as well). In fact, I'm surprised it doesn't
> already exist.
> 


Here :

https://freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?s=libreoffice&project_id=&project_name=


and here :


https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/52023-libreoffice


There were allegedly also bounty posts on gun.io, but Firefox tells me
that the site is insecure, so I've not bothered looking.


Regards,

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hi,

On 2 juillet 2014 00:54:11 CEST, Andrew Beverley  wrote:
>On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 17:16 +0200, Cley Faye wrote:
>> ​Unless having a very specific corner-case,​ it is very possible that
>> you're not alone having this issue. It might be interesting to have
>some
>> place to regroup funding for fixing such bugs. Kinda like
>crowdfunding, but
>> with bug reports instead of projects.
>
>A great idea (thanks Tom as well). In fact, I'm surprised it doesn't
>already exist.
>
>There must be a ton of people who want an improved cropping tool.
>
>> However, I can very well see this being misused with either tons of
>bogus
>> bug report, or getting targeted as "LO is not free anymore" or
>something.
>

Hmm not really. Bugzilla is monitored for duplocates and odd behaviours.


>Maybe if it's kept outside of the main LO ecosystem? There are plenty
>of
>crowd-funding websites that could be used. Is this the right place to
>discuss the idea?

Yes and a possible starting point would be the OpenFunding project. But you zre 
focusing on the tool, not how to get to the developers. I cannot make primises 
but if you were to collect enough money the Document Foundation -who manages 
the LibreOffice project- would likely help.

Best,

Charles.

>
>> Maybe in your case you could mention in the bug report that you're
>looking
>> for people that need this fixed, and can contribute toward this goal.
>
>Good point, although I'd be worried it would be too little too slowly,
>only as people come across the bug report.
>
>Andy
>
>
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