[libreoffice-users] How to Link LibreOffice Writer Labels to Database

[L. D. James]

Can someone tell me how to link Libreoffice Writer to a LibreOffice Base
Database so that opening the saved label file will automatically bring up
any changes that has been made to the database without any prompts.

At present I either see a way to bring up a saved mail merge file that will
bring up the same data (old if the database has changed), or will bring up
the pre-merged file that needs to have the sequence to use the mailmerge
tool to update the information.

These are the current steps I have to do to see or print the new data:

Click on Merge file -> Answer the prompt to get the most recent data  (now I
have one page of the first record) -> Click Tools -> Mail Merge Wizard ->
Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> (click) Save starting
document -> Finish

Now I have the updated data.

I'm hoping to have a way to save a file where one click on the file will
bring up the updated data without any prompts.

Thanks in advance for any input on this.

-- L. James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to Link LibreOffice Writer Labels to Database

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The Base Handbook might be able to help with this
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

First it is worth quickly skimming through the "Getting Started" guide's
chapter on Base.

There is also an Faq that might lead you through something very similar
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq

It is generally better to base such "reports" or "forms" off Queries rather
directly off Tables.  It makes the system more flexible for the future as
it allows changes in the underlaying Table to be abstracted away so that
the Form/Report can still get the same inputs that it expects.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 16 September 2014 08:42, L. D. James  wrote:

> Can someone tell me how to link Libreoffice Writer to a LibreOffice Base
> Database so that opening the saved label file will automatically bring up
> any changes that has been made to the database without any prompts.
>
> At present I either see a way to bring up a saved mail merge file that will
> bring up the same data (old if the database has changed), or will bring up
> the pre-merged file that needs to have the sequence to use the mailmerge
> tool to update the information.
>
> These are the current steps I have to do to see or print the new data:
>
> Click on Merge file -> Answer the prompt to get the most recent data  (now
> I
> have one page of the first record) -> Click Tools -> Mail Merge Wizard ->
> Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> (click) Save starting
> document -> Finish
>
> Now I have the updated data.
>
> I'm hoping to have a way to save a file where one click on the file will
> bring up the updated data without any prompts.
>
> Thanks in advance for any input on this.
>
> -- L. James
>
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[libreoffice-users] Unable to split tables in LO writer

[Stephen Harding]

When I insert a table in LO writer it immediately starts at the top of the
next page as though a page break is inserted before the table.  This
frequently leaves a lot of white space where the free flowing text finishes
and the table starts: it does not look very elegant and pushes up printing
costs.  It only seems to happen when the table is bigger (longer) than the
remaining space on the page.

 

Does anybody know how to stop this so the table starts  immediately after
the free flowing text so there is no white space and the table splits across
two or more pages?

 

I am using Libre Office Version: 4.2.5.2 build ID:
6ff819b65674ae6c83f3cbab9e4a4c2b292a7a94 on Windows 7 Ultimate with service
pack 1.

 

Best wishes,

 

Stephen Harding

 

Freelance author

Telephone desk 01256 781557

Telephone mobile 07969 469543

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of Libre Impress Gallery Images

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think they are all under a Creative Commons license aren't they?   If so
then i think you can use as they are, or modify and either way use or
share.

It might be easier to help if we knew the context of this.  The "copyright"
is usually very flexible and even allows usage of materials and designs to
help with profit-making ideas.  It's a case of trying to find how to try to
show the copyright label, if possible, but without creating a problem.  The
licenses are intended to be permissive rather than restrictive = to
increase the possibilities of getting the images widely distributed and
used in many different contexts.


If it's for just 1 business card then i'd suggest thinking again about the
whole concept of logos, branding and marketing = ie it's best to use the
designs to create your own unique logo and then find a suitable Creative
Commons license to copyright it to prevent your branding from getting too
diluted.  It might be good to use the tiny copyright image, if it can fit,
rather than using the full strap-line!

If, on the other hand, it's for some sort of pamphlet to show off layouts
and designs so that customers can imagine their own logo replacing the
images then fine, go ahead = just try to find a place somewhere in the
pamphlet to show that all card-designs are subject to the appropriate
Creative Commons license but you'd only need to do that once for the whole
pamphlet.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 16 September 2014 05:13, Public display name Browne <
nbrowne2...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The Libre Office software I find user friiendly and very useful. Is it OK
> to use the Impress Gallery images for such things as business logos on
> cards etc?
>
> Regards
>
> Neil
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Unable to split tables in LO writer

[Brian Barker]

At 10:41 16/09/2014 +0100, Stephen Harding wrote:
When I insert a table in LO writer it immediately starts at the top 
of the next page as though a page break is inserted before the 
table. This frequently leaves a lot of white space where the free 
flowing text finishes and the table starts: it does not look very 
elegant and pushes up printing costs. It only seems to happen when 
the table is bigger (longer) than the remaining space on the page.


That's exactly why it occurs, of course - on the assumption that you 
want the table kept in one piece.


Does anybody know how to stop this so the table starts immediately 
after the free flowing text so there is no white space and the table 
splits across two or more pages?


Go to Table | Table Properties... | Text Flow (or right-click | 
Table... | Text Flow) and tick "Allow table to split across pages and 
columns". You may also want to tinker with "Allow row to break across 
pages and columns" for specific rows of the table.


Alternatively, you may need to remove the tick from Break (at the 
same place) if a page break before the table is your problem - but 
that doesn't quite fit your description of the symptoms.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to split tables in LO writer

[Nino Novak]

Am 16.09.2014 um 11:41 schrieb Stephen Harding:
> When I insert a table in LO writer it immediately starts at the top of the
> next page as though a page break is inserted before the table. 

What does the Text Flow register of the Table Format dialog say? (RightClick
into the table, chose "Table ..." from context menu)

HTH
Nino


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to Link LibreOffice Writer Labels to Database

[L. D. James]

On 09/16/2014 05:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
The Base Handbook might be able to help with this
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

First it is worth quickly skimming through the "Getting Started" 
guide's chapter on Base.


There is also an Faq that might lead you through something very similar
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq

It is generally better to base such "reports" or "forms" off Queries 
rather directly off Tables.  It makes the system more flexible for the 
future as it allows changes in the underlaying Table to be abstracted 
away so that the Form/Report can still get the same inputs that it 
expects.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 16 September 2014 08:42, L. D. James > wrote:


Can someone tell me how to link Libreoffice Writer to a
LibreOffice Base
Database so that opening the saved label file will automatically
bring up
any changes that has been made to the database without any prompts.

At present I either see a way to bring up a saved mail merge file
that will
bring up the same data (old if the database has changed), or will
bring up
the pre-merged file that needs to have the sequence to use the
mailmerge
tool to update the information.

These are the current steps I have to do to see or print the new data:

Click on Merge file -> Answer the prompt to get the most recent
data  (now I
have one page of the first record) -> Click Tools -> Mail Merge
Wizard ->
Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Next -> (click) Save starting
document -> Finish

Now I have the updated data.

I'm hoping to have a way to save a file where one click on the
file will
bring up the updated data without any prompts.

Thanks in advance for any input on this.



Thanks for the links, TomD.

I had done a lot of research and reading the FAQ before posting my 
message.  It might be possible that what I was trying to do can't be 
done (a one click to bring the fresh data to a labeling merge).


I put the objective in to words the best way I could.  There is a chance 
I might not be describing it the best way.  I was hoping someone in the 
community might understand the question well enough to maybe assist me 
in clarification as well as how to do it if it could be done, or some 
close workaround.


I really don't have any problems with the 6 to 10 clicks to print a new 
list.  I was mainly trying to make it easy for office workers with 
little computer and data skills to perform a single click and have the 
new data and print a new labels.


As you suggested I'll study closer the features of LibreOffice Base for 
setting up the objective in forms.  I already undestand that it can be 
done that way.  But again, I was looking for a way to perform this in 
LibreOffice Word because I wanted to use the same feature for using 
linked fields in other databases such as mysql.



If I learn of a better way to clarify this task, I'll update the thread.

Thanks again for the input, as well as input from anyone else that might 
have some insight on this.


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Unable to split tables in LO writer

[Brian Barker]

At 11:16 16/09/2014 +0100, Stephen Harding wrote:
Right clicking on the table and looking at text properties it looks 
as though the table should be able to split (see screenshot) but it doesn't.


[]



Any further suggestions?


Yes. Your problem is slightly different: since you have "Keep with 
next paragraph" ticked, the table is being taken over to the 
following page so that it is not separated from what may immediately 
follow it. Removing that tick should solve your difficulty.


Brian Barker  
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[libreoffice-users] autofill in calc

[Gary Collins]

Hello,
I've been using autofill and noted some things, not so much bugs but queries 
about the way it works and if it could be better. 

1) I enter (e.g.) 2, 4 and 6 into cells B1-B3
2) I then highlight these cells and use autofill to extend to B4-B9, and I get 
8,10,12,14,16,18 in these cells - exactly as expected.
3) If instead I extend only to B6 (but leave the selection in place), I get 
8,10,12 in those cells. 

4) I can then resume the extension to B9, and get 14,16,18 in B7-B9 - as in 
(2). Again as expected. 

Here's where the fun starts:

5) Instead of 2, 4 and 6, I enter 2, 4 and 7 into cells B1-B3.
6) I use autofill to extend to B4-B9 as before. I get 3,5,8,4,6,9 in B4-B9. 

#It took me a little while to work out what is going on (when I noticed this I 
was using less related numbers and wasnt extending so far, so the pattern was 
less obvious). It seems that each of the cells B1-B3 is incremented by 1 to 
obtain the fill values for B4-B6, then again for B7-B9.
7) If I repeat step (3) with these values, I get 3,5,8 in cells B4-B6. BUT:
8) when I resume extension to B9, I don't get 4,6,9 but I get 3,5,8 repeated.
#This strikes me as very odd indeed.

Q: Is there a logical reason for this behaviour?  Wouldn't it be better if Calc 
were to use differences and obtain the values 11,16,22,29,37,46 to fill B4-B9?
Aside: I notice Excel doesn't cope well with this situation either - it 
produces some (fractional values which I haven't analysed).
In any case, surely step 8 should return the same result as step 6 (?).
(OK, that's 3 questions!)

9) starting with a sinle cell, say, 2 in B1, and extending using autofill, the 
2 is incremented to 23,4,5 etc., i.e. there is an assumption that the 
increment should be 1. Strictly speaking, it should be 0, since a single value 
doesn't have an incremental value. To obtain a column containing the same 
figure in all cells, it is necessary to enter the same value twice into 
adjoining cells. 


Q: Is there a good reason for this? It seems to be the wrong way round: after 
all, to obtain an increment of 2, I would have to enter two values differing by 
2 (similarly 3, or any other number); logically by extension to get an 
increment of 1 it should be necessary to enter two values differing by 1 (and 
that is exactly how it works in Excel: if I autofill from a single cell, I get 
that cell's value duplicated throughout the autofill selection).

Something to think about, anyway!

Best,
/Gary
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Re: [libreoffice-users] autofill in calc

[Brian Barker]

At 12:25 16/09/2014 +0100, Gary Collins wrote:
I've been using autofill and noted some things, not so much bugs but 
queries about the way it works and if it could be better.


No answer to your general points, but a few comments:

9) starting with a single cell, say, 2 in B1, and extending using 
autofill, the 2 is incremented to 23,4,5 etc., i.e. there is an 
assumption that the increment should be 1.
Strictly speaking, it should be 0, since a single value doesn't have 
an incremental value. To obtain a column containing the same figure 
in all cells, it is necessary to enter the same value twice into 
adjoining cells.


Two points here:
o It is generally bad practice to repeat the same value a number of 
times: it can be a recipe for mistakes. If you need the same value in 
multiple rows, it should appear in any necessary formula either as a 
constant or a reference to single cell elsewhere. Having it in a 
separate cell also makes it easier to modify, if that becomes necessary.
o If you really do want to autofill cells without increment, you can 
do so by holding down Ctrl whilst dragging the fill handle.


In addition, you can do cleverer things by first selecting the result 
range and then using Edit | Fill > | Series... .


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] autofill in calc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
i guess different people might expect different patterns.  Most of the ones
given in Gary's post make total sense to me.  Generally i avoid leaving it
to any spreadsheet program to try to guess what pattern i want.  Usually 3
values is enough to define a simple arithmetic progression but 4 values is
helpful to just make absolutely certain.

I think you can go into the configurations to define ones you personally
commonly use.  For example when i tried studying fractal dimensions and
chaos theory it might have been handy to have some interesting ones just to
see my lecturer raise his eyebrows.  Now i just live in permanent chaos and
never expect patterns to work out for me.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 16 September 2014 13:04, Brian Barker  wrote:

> At 12:25 16/09/2014 +0100, Gary Collins wrote:
>
>> I've been using autofill and noted some things, not so much bugs but
>> queries about the way it works and if it could be better.
>>
>
> No answer to your general points, but a few comments:
>
>  9) starting with a single cell, say, 2 in B1, and extending using
>> autofill, the 2 is incremented to 23,4,5 etc., i.e. there is an
>> assumption that the increment should be 1.
>> Strictly speaking, it should be 0, since a single value doesn't have an
>> incremental value. To obtain a column containing the same figure in all
>> cells, it is necessary to enter the same value twice into adjoining cells.
>>
>
> Two points here:
> o It is generally bad practice to repeat the same value a number of times:
> it can be a recipe for mistakes. If you need the same value in multiple
> rows, it should appear in any necessary formula either as a constant or a
> reference to single cell elsewhere. Having it in a separate cell also makes
> it easier to modify, if that becomes necessary.
> o If you really do want to autofill cells without increment, you can do so
> by holding down Ctrl whilst dragging the fill handle.
>
> In addition, you can do cleverer things by first selecting the result
> range and then using Edit | Fill > | Series... .
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Brian Barker
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] My organization is new to Libre. Looking for cheat sheets

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Mark raises a good point.  It's worth migrating rather than switching.

LibreOffice works well alongside MS Office and it's good to have both on
most computers for a while.  A migration means people are still able to use
the more familiar system for a while if they really need to and it gives
them time to become more familiar with the newer system at their own pace.

There are various optimum routes for this.  One of my favourite routes is
to start by leaving MS Office as the default for their formats but keep
LibreOffice as the default for ODF.  As they get more and more ODFs they
find themselves using LibreOffice more and more, naturally.  Maybe also set
LibreOffice to be the default for the older MS format too (the doc, xls,
ppt etc).  After that phase has shown a few people they can right-click on
a file to "Open with" something other than the default then switch it over
so that LibreOffice is the default for all types of documents.

Some people say that letting people default into their familiar old system
means that many wont ever try the new system.  However some people will try
it and those people will be handy for the next phase - as they will
probably have already found out answers to the problems the
stick-in-the-muds manage to find.


Of course the Microsoft world tends to push people into switching by
forcing them to get rid of (or 'upgrade from') the system they are familiar
with.  Then productivity drops and users can be blamed for not learning the
new way.  Then many of the new users resent the new system and grumble
about how much better the old one was and push for it to be resurrected.

I think the switching route is a bit rude tbh.  I don't see why people have
to have their toys snatched away like that.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 15 September 2014 19:30, Mark Bourne <
libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> Paul Auger wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> We are brand new to Libre. We are used to MS office. Is there a "cheat
>> sheet" that says "If you do this in office these here the steps you need
>> to
>> take to do the same thing in Libre?"
>>
>
> Not sure about that; hopefully others can help there.
>
> I've always found LibreOffice very similar to MS Office (at least up to MS
> Office 2003, before they introduced those "ribbon" toolbars). About the
> only thing that kept catching me out was that Format > Page in LibreOffice
> was at File > Page Setup in MS Office. Opposite way round to you though -
> having got used to LibreOffice, I always had to think about where to find
> the page formatting options in MS Office! (and it never did make sense that
> page formatting was on the File menu when character and paragraph
> formatting were on a Format menu...)
>
>  Also we have noticed that when we
>> import documents especially those with tables the formatting  is altered.
>> any advice?
>>
>
> For various reasons, the older MS Office .doc, .xls and .ppt formats
> generally import into LibreOffice better than the newer .docx, .xlsx and
> .pptx formats. So if your files are in those newer formats, try using MS
> Office to save them into the older format (File > Save As and choose the
> older format, probably called something like "Microsoft Office 2003", for
> the "Save as type" option). Then import that older-format file into
> LibreOffice.
>
> It does mean you need MS Office to do the conversion, but a medium or
> large organisation would probably want to keep a couple of MS Office
> licenses anyway, to ensure they can access historical files, even once the
> majority of the organisation has transitioned to LibreOffice. One of the
> benefits of the Open Document Format used by LibreOffice (and other open
> source office applications) is that you're not reliant on one company's
> product to be able to access your old files in future.
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.3.1 print icon

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think just post a bug-report about it and leave it to the devs to decide
whether to fix it or not.

Personally i tend to avoid using the print button but the odd times i do
use it then it's because i just want to quickly print it without faffing
around with all the usual options.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 September 2014 18:50, "J. Van Brimmer"  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Owen Genat  wrote:
> >
> > Yes. Prior releases used the "Print File Directly" button and in v4.3
> this
> > has been replaced with the "Print..." button. As Valter Mura indicated
> this
> > can be changed by customising the toolbar i.e., it is the default display
> > that has changed. Decision to change the default was made by the Design
> team
> > (or a member thereof). Related bug report (and rationale):
> >
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74455
> >
>
> This makes perfect sense to me. I just did this yesterday, even with
> the print dialog window in view! I thought all was well and printed 12
> pages when I really only wanted to print one!
>
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Calc - Search Results

[T. R. Valentine]

Is there a way to disable (preferably permanently) the 'Search
Results' dialog box in Calc?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.3.1 print icon

[MR ZenWiz]

The bug Owen pointed out explains what happened.  I don't agree, but
that's my personal preference.  I changed my menu bar and it's how I
like it.

Thanks.
MR


On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:
> Hi :)
> I think just post a bug-report about it and leave it to the devs to decide
> whether to fix it or not.
>
> Personally i tend to avoid using the print button but the odd times i do use
> it then it's because i just want to quickly print it without faffing around
> with all the usual options.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 15 September 2014 18:50, "J. Van Brimmer"  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Owen Genat  wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes. Prior releases used the "Print File Directly" button and in v4.3
>> > this
>> > has been replaced with the "Print..." button. As Valter Mura indicated
>> > this
>> > can be changed by customising the toolbar i.e., it is the default
>> > display
>> > that has changed. Decision to change the default was made by the Design
>> > team
>> > (or a member thereof). Related bug report (and rationale):
>> >
>> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74455
>> >
>>
>> This makes perfect sense to me. I just did this yesterday, even with
>> the print dialog window in view! I thought all was well and printed 12
>> pages when I really only wanted to print one!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Search Results

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
There were a couple pop-up dialogues that annoyed me so i dragged them into
being toolbars and now they don't bother me so much.

I'm not sure if that's going to help with this though
Regards from
Tom :)


On 16 September 2014 16:35, T. R. Valentine  wrote:

> Is there a way to disable (preferably permanently) the 'Search
> Results' dialog box in Calc?
>
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[libreoffice-users] Reducing defect density from 1.1 to .08

[Jeff Thomas]

I'm writing about open source testing issues and just read the Coverity
press relase. How the heck did you people manage to do it. How many people,
how did you divide up the files, ect?
thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.3.1 print icon

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yeh, i kinda agree with MR ZenWiz on this.  I personally prefer to go the
File - Print
route precisely because of the reasons stated in the bug-report.

Similarly i prefer to do;
File - "Save As ..."
because i've just had so many times when users lose documents and have no
idea where to look - also so many times when programs have wanted to save
documents to strange tmp folders buried away in their own folder system.

However most normal users seem to love pressing those sorts of things and
being completely clueless about everything.  I also like them when i've
used them enough times to know what the results are likely to be.

Still my way of working might not suit other people and i don't think we
should force them into better habits against their will.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 16 September 2014 17:37, MR ZenWiz  wrote:

> The bug Owen pointed out explains what happened.  I don't agree, but
> that's my personal preference.  I changed my menu bar and it's how I
> like it.
>
> Thanks.
> MR
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > I think just post a bug-report about it and leave it to the devs to
> decide
> > whether to fix it or not.
> >
> > Personally i tend to avoid using the print button but the odd times i do
> use
> > it then it's because i just want to quickly print it without faffing
> around
> > with all the usual options.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 September 2014 18:50, "J. Van Brimmer"  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Owen Genat 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yes. Prior releases used the "Print File Directly" button and in v4.3
> >> > this
> >> > has been replaced with the "Print..." button. As Valter Mura indicated
> >> > this
> >> > can be changed by customising the toolbar i.e., it is the default
> >> > display
> >> > that has changed. Decision to change the default was made by the
> Design
> >> > team
> >> > (or a member thereof). Related bug report (and rationale):
> >> >
> >> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74455
> >> >
> >>
> >> This makes perfect sense to me. I just did this yesterday, even with
> >> the print dialog window in view! I thought all was well and printed 12
> >> pages when I really only wanted to print one!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.3.1 print icon

[Steve Edmonds]

Hi.
I use the print direct all the time, more often than the File>Print. The 
majority of my documents are probably 1 pagers. The fact I can add the 
button back means I am not fussed it is missing by default.

Steve

On 2014-09-17 06:07, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yeh, i kinda agree with MR ZenWiz on this.  I personally prefer to go the
File - Print
route precisely because of the reasons stated in the bug-report.

Similarly i prefer to do;
File - "Save As ..."
because i've just had so many times when users lose documents and have no
idea where to look - also so many times when programs have wanted to save
documents to strange tmp folders buried away in their own folder system.

However most normal users seem to love pressing those sorts of things and
being completely clueless about everything.  I also like them when i've
used them enough times to know what the results are likely to be.

Still my way of working might not suit other people and i don't think we
should force them into better habits against their will.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 16 September 2014 17:37, MR ZenWiz  wrote:


The bug Owen pointed out explains what happened.  I don't agree, but
that's my personal preference.  I changed my menu bar and it's how I
like it.

Thanks.
MR


On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
I think just post a bug-report about it and leave it to the devs to

decide

whether to fix it or not.

Personally i tend to avoid using the print button but the odd times i do

use

it then it's because i just want to quickly print it without faffing

around

with all the usual options.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 September 2014 18:50, "J. Van Brimmer"  wrote:

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Owen Genat 

wrote:

Yes. Prior releases used the "Print File Directly" button and in v4.3
this
has been replaced with the "Print..." button. As Valter Mura indicated
this
can be changed by customising the toolbar i.e., it is the default
display
that has changed. Decision to change the default was made by the

Design

team
(or a member thereof). Related bug report (and rationale):

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74455


This makes perfect sense to me. I just did this yesterday, even with
the print dialog window in view! I thought all was well and printed 12
pages when I really only wanted to print one!




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reducing defect density from 1.1 to .08

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Errr, it was the devs that did it.

On this mailing-list we just help normal users with normal officey type
problems and sometimes help with macro issues or databases too.  We do have
some devs on this mailing list but not many.  So it might be worth
contacting the devs on their irc channel (whatever that is) or maybe the
marketing team or the "discuss" mailing list as they 'just happen to' have
some people who are very knowledgeable about that side of things.  The devs
might not have time to handle this sort of enquiry so it might be best to
start with the discussion mailing list.

Also worth trying to find Micheal Meeks' blog and the weekly LOWN.  LOWN
collates tons of the mailing lists and activities and writes in a very
"easy to read" style (albeit with odd tpyos occasionally).

I hope something there points you in a good direction!
Regards from
Tom :)


On 16 September 2014 17:52, Jeff Thomas  wrote:

> I'm writing about open source testing issues and just read the Coverity
> press relase. How the heck did you people manage to do it. How many people,
> how did you divide up the files, ect?
> thanks,
> Jeff Thomas
> 303-604-1020
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.3.1 print icon

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Actually that is starting to convince me that maybe this is the best way of
doing it.  When used by fairly expert (and upwards) people it works well.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 16 September 2014 20:22, Steve Edmonds 
wrote:

> Hi.
> I use the print direct all the time, more often than the File>Print. The
> majority of my documents are probably 1 pagers. The fact I can add the
> button back means I am not fussed it is missing by default.
> Steve
>
>
> On 2014-09-17 06:07, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> Yeh, i kinda agree with MR ZenWiz on this.  I personally prefer to go the
>> File - Print
>> route precisely because of the reasons stated in the bug-report.
>>
>> Similarly i prefer to do;
>> File - "Save As ..."
>> because i've just had so many times when users lose documents and have no
>> idea where to look - also so many times when programs have wanted to save
>> documents to strange tmp folders buried away in their own folder system.
>>
>> However most normal users seem to love pressing those sorts of things and
>> being completely clueless about everything.  I also like them when i've
>> used them enough times to know what the results are likely to be.
>>
>> Still my way of working might not suit other people and i don't think we
>> should force them into better habits against their will.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 September 2014 17:37, MR ZenWiz  wrote:
>>
>>  The bug Owen pointed out explains what happened.  I don't agree, but
>>> that's my personal preference.  I changed my menu bar and it's how I
>>> like it.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> MR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:
>>>
 Hi :)
 I think just post a bug-report about it and leave it to the devs to

>>> decide
>>>
 whether to fix it or not.

 Personally i tend to avoid using the print button but the odd times i do

>>> use
>>>
 it then it's because i just want to quickly print it without faffing

>>> around
>>>
 with all the usual options.
 Regards from
 Tom :)



 On 15 September 2014 18:50, "J. Van Brimmer" 
 wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Owen Genat 
>
 wrote:
>>>
 Yes. Prior releases used the "Print File Directly" button and in v4.3
>> this
>> has been replaced with the "Print..." button. As Valter Mura indicated
>> this
>> can be changed by customising the toolbar i.e., it is the default
>> display
>> that has changed. Decision to change the default was made by the
>>
> Design
>>>
 team
>> (or a member thereof). Related bug report (and rationale):
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74455
>>
>>  This makes perfect sense to me. I just did this yesterday, even with
> the print dialog window in view! I thought all was well and printed 12
> pages when I really only wanted to print one!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Anyone keen to help get the Base Handbook done?

[Peter Goggin]

On 07/09/14 18:29, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi )
The Documentation Team needs people to help update the Base Handbook.

Two people, Hazel and Alan, have worked very hard to get the translations
done.  Now it needs;
1.  Proof-readers who maybe have no idea about how to use Base, in order to
help de-geekify it.
2.  People who understand Base well enough to follow through the written
instructions.  This reviewing process is to make sure that the instructions
really do show exactly what normal readers would experience if they tried
to work through the guide.
3.  People who are on non-Windows platforms, preferably Linux, who are able
to take screen-shots.

For 1 there are people who could help people to do the proof-reading.
Proof-reading kinda needs to be done by people who can bring a fresh
perspective, ie that weren't involved in doing the translations and wont be
involved in the reviewing.  Inevitably there is some overlap though!

For 3 there is a guide to help ensure screen-shots are consistent within
the guide and consistent with other guides.  It's mostly about theming but
also about resolution and sizes.


It has been a tough challenge getting this far because the last handbook
was for several branch's ago.  So changes that happened in 4.0.x then had
to be modified due to more changes in the 4.1.x.  The current work
consolidates on the 4.2.x branch.  This should give a good solid foundation
from which it'll be easier to produce the next handbook.  The Docs Team
will probably skip the 4.3.x branch and go straight to the 4.4.x when that
appears in a few months time.


Joining the Documentation Team, to work on the Guides or Handbook, involves
a registration process for the ODFAuthors website.  Sometimes there is a
shortage of people able to do that for you so please bear with them if you
join.  Just joining their mailing list is a good start
documentat...@global.libreoffice.org

A quick email to say hi and request a login for ODFAuthors is a good way to
start.  They like to know if you have previous experience working with
documentation in other projects or elsewhere but please keep it brief, it's
just to give them a hint.  Also let them know if there are specific things
you might like to be involved with or things you would like to avoid.  Note
that complete noobs can be extremely valuable because we are often able to
help degeekify things.

Regards from
Tom  :)

I have had a number of years experience in data base design and user 
documentation, mainly on Oracle installations, but also on MS Access. I 
have also been involved in programming NMC and documenting the process 
of setting up programs for non computer people. I have been working with 
computers since 1958 and have had to document a number of different 
applications. I have also written about 30 scientific research papers.


If you think I can contribute please let me know.


Regards

Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Justifying some texts causes big spaces between words

[James]

On 14-09-15 12:57 AM, Daniel wrote:

Is there a reason why when I justify some texts, automatically there are
big spaces between words?

Thanks

Daniel

Full Justification justifies to both left and right sides.
Try left or right justification.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Justifying some texts causes big spaces between words

[Bruce Byfield]

On Tuesday 16 September 2014 11:42:53 PM James wrote:
> On 14-09-15 12:57 AM, Daniel wrote:
> > Is there a reason why when I justify some texts, automatically there are
> > big spaces between words?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Daniel
> 
> Full Justification justifies to both left and right sides.
> Try left or right justification.

Other choices: experiment with the line length, the font, and the font size.
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[libreoffice-users] CANNOT INSTALL LIBRE OFFICE SUITES

[tjphipps]

i tried twice to download and install the newest libre suite. the download went 
perfectly both times but when i told my computer to install them i got the same 
error message both times. it said something like 'this is not a windows 
installer'  and to 'contact the makers' or something like that. i love libre 
office and have used it for many years on several different computers with 
windows , xp and vista and have never has anything go wrong with anything, ever.
this computer is running windows 7 home premium without sp1 so far. 
what should i do?
Thomas H. Phipps


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[libreoffice-users] calc: Find has never worked for me

[John R. Sowden]

I have been using LO from the 'beginning'.  I have never be able to get 
the menu command 'Find' to work.  Just to be sure I just tried again. 
The Edit->Find Selection has the three dots after it, telling me that a 
dialog box/menu will open.  Nothing happens, anywhere on the screen. 
When I press Ctrl F, the left margin moves, but do find prompt opens. 
When I enter edit->'Find & Replace ...' then Find and replace box opens 
and I use it.  When I press Ctrl H (For Find & Replace), nothing happens.


Oh yes: LO Version 4.1.3.2 and others back to the beginning, and ubuntu 
various versions-currently 13.10, but I have been using ubuntu since 
about 6 months after the big CD givaway.


John


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CANNOT INSTALL LIBRE OFFICE SUITES

[Sophie]

Hi,
Le 17/09/2014 06:49, tjphipps a écrit :
> i tried twice to download and install the newest libre suite. the
> download went perfectly both times but when i told my computer to
> install them i got the same error message both times. it said
> something like 'this is not a windows installer'  and to 'contact the
> makers' or something like that. i love libre office and have used it
> for many years on several different computers with windows , xp and
> vista and have never has anything go wrong with anything, ever. this
> computer is running windows 7 home premium without sp1 so far. what
> should i do?

What is the extension of the download you try to install? Often IE
changes the extension of the file in .man instead of .msi.
Kind regards
Sophie

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