[libreoffice-users] Base Help Anyone
Hi Libre Office Version: 4.2.7.2 Build ID: 420m0(Build:2) English Base DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04 DISTRIB_CODENAME=trusty DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS I am new to Linux and therefore Libre Base and have been searching for help !! I posted this on the Libre Office THe Document Foundataion but am still waiting for a reply... I should be grateful if you could give me an answer to my question before I waste any more time.. I have been using Base to provide a database for my paintings via a simple form. I recorded 200 records and then added the facility to include a photograph .jpg file and this is when the gremlins started to appear. It constantly issues error messages when adding data and causes me to endlessly loose work as it has failed to write to the table from a form for no obvious reason I can see, sometimes I can add a new data or several set/records on the form OK and then it will fail with the error message as follows where the Table1 is my Table S1000 General error java.lang.NullPointerException in statement [update Table1 SET Photo=? Where ID=?} Is is a know issue that it is unstable ? In addition I set auto save and backup yet fail to find them anywhere. Any help will be very appreciated and I am ok to provide my database for analysis if required by genuine helper and would pay on results if necessary. cheers alan Alan Pedder Mb. 0781 844 5906 alanswatercolours.co.uk -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help Anyone
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Alan Pedder alanped...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: I have been using Base to provide a database for my paintings via a simple form. I recorded 200 records and then added the facility to include a photograph .jpg file and this is when the gremlins started to appear. It constantly issues error messages when adding data and causes me to endlessly loose work as it has failed to write to the table from a form for no obvious reason I can see, sometimes I can add a new data or several set/records on the form OK and then it will fail with the error message as follows where the Table1 is my Table Hello Alan. I haven't used Base to store binaries however I have monitored this list for a while and used Base for a few small projects. I expect the two primary recommendations you will get are... 1. Don't store data in Base, use a separate database back end because the embedded HSQL is not very stable. To that end I've recently found the native MySQL connector works well for me (never had reliable connections with the Java or ODBC connectors). 2. Don't store binaries in Base, store a path/pointer to the binary. Keeps the table size down, minimizes loss if the db becomes corrupted. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Using LO Writer to edit HTML
On 11/17/2014 12:26 PM, anne-ology wrote: Therefore it's the simplest since it does not add all that excess verbage ;-) Colored syntax doesn't add any verbage or code to the underlying text file. It just provides visual onscreen help in distinguishing code from text. This is an instance where simplest isn't better. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help Anyone
On 11/18/2014 07:32 AM, Alan B wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Alan Pedder alanped...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: I have been using Base to provide a database for my paintings via a simple form. I recorded 200 records and then added the facility to include a photograph .jpg file and this is when the gremlins started to appear. It constantly issues error messages when adding data and causes me to endlessly loose work as it has failed to write to the table from a form for no obvious reason I can see, sometimes I can add a new data or several set/records on the form OK and then it will fail with the error message as follows where the Table1 is my Table Hello Alan. I haven't used Base to store binaries however I have monitored this list for a while and used Base for a few small projects. I expect the two primary recommendations you will get are... 1. Don't store data in Base, use a separate database back end because the embedded HSQL is not very stable. To that end I've recently found the native MySQL connector works well for me (never had reliable connections with the Java or ODBC connectors). 2. Don't store binaries in Base, store a path/pointer to the binary. Keeps the table size down, minimizes loss if the db becomes corrupted. To re-enforce what was just said, some of which is obviously just an opinion LO contains a database component which stores all of the data in a single file which is then pulled into memory when in use. This included database is HSQLDB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSQLDB If you create a standard Base document using what came with LO, then you are using HSQLDB as the back end to manage your data. You can use other database systems on the back-end. i am not an expert and cannot enumerate them, but, I expect that mariadb and postgre are both examples of other back-end database implementations that people use. The problem with that is that (I think) that you must have these programs running as a server to access them. The advantage is that they are more robust and less prone to errors; especially when you store a large amount of data. I ran into significant problems when I stored a large number of images in a Base document backed by HSQLDB. I expect that the same problem would not have occurred if I had used a different DB to actually store the images (such as MySQL, MariaDB, or PostGRE). One method that may work is to not store the large binaries in the database, but, instead, store a path to the individual image in the DB and then store image itself on disk. I have used this method in production systems when storing very large binaries (by large I mean that each binary may be a couple of GB). I stopped using Base years ago because of those Gremlins. I believe that many of the gremlins that plagued me have been fixed, but I would be hesitant to use it to store much binary data using HSQLDB as the back-end. Just my opinion and perhaps others on the list can offer a more recent experience. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help Anyone
Hi :) It is only the internal HSqlDb back-end that loses data. If you get the proper HSqlDb from their website then it works completely fine. It's designed to be extremely fast for fairly tiny databases, like almost any address book. So, it's only Base that loses data. Outside of LibreOffice and OpenOffice losing data is a heinous crime, especially in a database!! So the main thing is to migrate existing tables into an external back-end and pretty much any external back-end will do. Generally any back-end is better than the Base one. Postgresql might be the easiest. MySql/MariaDb are often used. Regards from Tom :) On 18 November 2014 13:59, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 11/18/2014 07:32 AM, Alan B wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Alan Pedder alanped...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: I have been using Base to provide a database for my paintings via a simple form. I recorded 200 records and then added the facility to include a photograph .jpg file and this is when the gremlins started to appear. It constantly issues error messages when adding data and causes me to endlessly loose work as it has failed to write to the table from a form for no obvious reason I can see, sometimes I can add a new data or several set/records on the form OK and then it will fail with the error message as follows where the Table1 is my Table Hello Alan. I haven't used Base to store binaries however I have monitored this list for a while and used Base for a few small projects. I expect the two primary recommendations you will get are... 1. Don't store data in Base, use a separate database back end because the embedded HSQL is not very stable. To that end I've recently found the native MySQL connector works well for me (never had reliable connections with the Java or ODBC connectors). 2. Don't store binaries in Base, store a path/pointer to the binary. Keeps the table size down, minimizes loss if the db becomes corrupted. To re-enforce what was just said, some of which is obviously just an opinion LO contains a database component which stores all of the data in a single file which is then pulled into memory when in use. This included database is HSQLDB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSQLDB If you create a standard Base document using what came with LO, then you are using HSQLDB as the back end to manage your data. You can use other database systems on the back-end. i am not an expert and cannot enumerate them, but, I expect that mariadb and postgre are both examples of other back-end database implementations that people use. The problem with that is that (I think) that you must have these programs running as a server to access them. The advantage is that they are more robust and less prone to errors; especially when you store a large amount of data. I ran into significant problems when I stored a large number of images in a Base document backed by HSQLDB. I expect that the same problem would not have occurred if I had used a different DB to actually store the images (such as MySQL, MariaDB, or PostGRE). One method that may work is to not store the large binaries in the database, but, instead, store a path to the individual image in the DB and then store image itself on disk. I have used this method in production systems when storing very large binaries (by large I mean that each binary may be a couple of GB). I stopped using Base years ago because of those Gremlins. I believe that many of the gremlins that plagued me have been fixed, but I would be hesitant to use it to store much binary data using HSQLDB as the back-end. Just my opinion and perhaps others on the list can offer a more recent experience. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libo 4.3.4.1/We're Cooking
Hi :) I thought people here might like to see that accessibility issues are being handled increasingly better. Regards from Tom :) On 18 November 2014 15:02, David Goldfield dgold...@asb.org wrote: To quote the Beatles, I have to admit it's getting better. Installation of the official 4.3.4.1 build did not trigger Symantec Endpoint Protection as the test builds did. Also, while within Calc, pressing f2 followed by the escape key gives me proper accessibility with NVDA as it did with the test builds. Gentlemen, nice work and many thanks. snip / David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Give a Donation http://asb.org/index.php?option=com_jdonation Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] rtf files
Hi :) Congrats on this and many thanks for letting all of us know about it!! I still think that Rtf is well worth avoiding if at all possible but sadly a whole load of people fell for MS's marketing. Even to this day there are people who believe in using it, despite the findings of the court case. So it's good if LO can use it with some confidence despite all it's problems. It's going to be quite amusing when it's only non-MS packages are still supporting the mess of old unreliable formats that MS scatters behind it. Regards from Tom :) On 16 November 2014 08:34, Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com wrote: Hi All, this is a bug reported by Carole towards the end of September. The issue was where data in columns in rtf files was not stored correctly. For the record this bug has been fixed and will be release in 4.4.0. Cheers On 29/09/14 16:02, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Hi, Le 29/09/2014 04:26, Tim Lloyd a écrit : FYI I removed 4.3 and installed 4.1. The problem is not apparent with the older version. I have some old versions stored away so I can drill down and find when exactly this problem occurs and report to the bugzilla (I can't see anything obvious there). Let me know if we are on the same page. FYI, the older versions are available here: http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help Anyone
Le 18/11/2014 12:35, Alan Pedder a écrit : Hi Alan, Is is a know issue that it is unstable ? In addition I set auto save and backup yet fail to find them anywhere. Yes, unfortunately a known and frequent phenomenon with the default provided embedded hsqldb implementation. You might get more mileage out of it by upping the memory available to the Java process that is used - there is a setting for this that you would have to manually add to the script or properties file (these files are to be found within the ODB file, which is simply a zipped container for the database setup). Read the hsqldb 1.8 documentation before fiddling with these though. Autosave doesn't work for Base documents, if it produces anything at all, then it will be a series of 0 byte files. This is currently bug 71550. Any help will be very appreciated and I am ok to provide my database for analysis if required by genuine helper and would pay on results if necessary. No need to provide it here, your database is probably corrupt judging by the symptoms you are experiencing. I hope you have some kind of stable backup or copy of the ODB file somewhere else that you can work from, or at least re-purpose, in order to connect your front end (forms, queries, etc) to a more reliable backend db system. HSQLDB is reliable enough outside of the embedded scenario defined as the default in LO Base. There are tutorials in the OpenOffice.org forum and the LO Base Handbook which explain how to set up a split hsqldb database. Alternatively, people use a variety of other db backend engines : SQLite H2 Postgresql MySQL / MariaDB Firebird (not the embedded version that ships experimentally with LO, but the standaloe server version) Obviously, not all engines will be suited to what you want to do, or are willing to administrate, etc, so it would be best to do your homework beforehand to make up your mind. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help Anyone
Hi, Store all picture files in the same directory as your Base file. Call menu:ToolsSQL and execute: ALTER TABLE PicTable DROP COLUMN Pics; ALTER TABLE PicTable ADD COLUMN Pics VARCHAR(100); SHUTDOWN COMPACT; where PicTable should be replaced with the actual name of your table and Pics with the actual name of the field in that table. The database will be defragmented and is no longer accessible. Restart the office suite, open the database and your form. A double-click on the picture control still opens a file picker dialog. But now it stores only the file name in the database field and loads the actual picture data from that file. If you want to convert this embedded HSQL database to a real database follow this description: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6t=62905p=278742#p278742 Hope this helps. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Report in Base not executed
On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 10:36 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 14/11/2014 15:39, Harvey Nimmo a écrit : com.sun.star.loader.CannotActivateFactoryException was caught. Sounds similar to this : https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=51278 which was around in the transition to LO 3.6.x Maybe try resetting your LO user configuration profile ? Alex I tried that after trying to reset my UserProfile (thanks to Tom Davies' advice). It seems now a wee bit clearer that the com.sun.star.comp.loader.JavaLoader is missing. Harvey -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] How does 4.4 compress PDFs so well? Is there a quality problem?
I edit a community magazine using LibreOffice Writer. I create a PDF from the final version, which I send electronically to the printing company, which prints the PDF. To create the PDF, I use the settings Lossless compression and do not reduce image resolution. The resulting PDF is usually in excess of 100Mb, presumably mainly because of all the images used. This month, I have created the PDF using both the current stable version 4.3.4.1 and the beta version 4.4.0.0. (I used the beta version because of a new small bug in 4.3.) Fascinating results! Visually, the two PDFs look the same (apart from the small bug). I've printed a sample page from each PDF and compared them, and they appear equally-good quality. However, the sizes are dramatically different. The PDF from 4.3.4.1 is 157.7Mb, which is roughly what I'd expect from past experience. The same PDF from 4.4.0.0 is a mere 27Mb, just a sixth of its size. Adding up the sizes of all the images, they come to (approximately) 30Mb. So, it seems to me that the current version perhaps stuffs the files with unnecessary content — or perhaps decompresses the images when saving — whereas the beta version seems to save the files decently compressed. So, are you able to tell me… How is the PDF from the beta version so small — or the PDF from the current version so large? Am I going to get an unwelcome surprise in the quality of the printed copy if I send the PDF from 4.4.0.0? Does the current version use some amazing compression to create its PDF? Or does the old version stuff the file full of unnecessary content? Thanks in advance. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-does-4-4-compress-PDFs-so-well-Is-there-a-quality-problem-tp4129492.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How does 4.4 compress PDFs so well? Is there a quality problem?
@Paddy, A printed copy of your PDF is not a very good test of document quality. Embedded BMP representation within LibreOffice is at 300dpi. Export print may be the vector format (wmf, emf, eps, svg) or a bitmap rendering preview--at 300dpi. You really need to open each PDF in suitable viewer and zoom in to 800% or 1200%. How do embedded images compare there? Are they bitmap? Or more concise full resolution vector images? Also, the platform you work on will impact handling of vector images. Several helper programs are needed--Ghostscript, ImageMagick, pstoedit and the mix will impact handling as bitmap or vector. Please provide your OS details, and perhaps attach a sample output (via the Nabble interface). Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-does-4-4-compress-PDFs-so-well-Is-there-a-quality-problem-tp4129492p4129497.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How does 4.4 compress PDFs so well? Is there a quality problem?
For any document that I want to have a good image printed, I normally set everything for 600 dpi minimum, and even higher if the printer can print higher. My bw laser goes to 1200 dpi and for business presentations that are bw, I print at that dpi, as long as the printer's memory can handle the extra memory for the page and its graphics - i.e. the maxed out 48 MB limit for its internal memory [more memory costs more than the printer itself]. On 11/18/2014 05:15 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: @Paddy, A printed copy of your PDF is not a very good test of document quality. Embedded BMP representation within LibreOffice is at 300dpi. Export print may be the vector format (wmf, emf, eps, svg) or a bitmap rendering preview--at 300dpi. You really need to open each PDF in suitable viewer and zoom in to 800% or 1200%. How do embedded images compare there? Are they bitmap? Or more concise full resolution vector images? Also, the platform you work on will impact handling of vector images. Several helper programs are needed--Ghostscript, ImageMagick, pstoedit and the mix will impact handling as bitmap or vector. Please provide your OS details, and perhaps attach a sample output (via the Nabble interface). Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-does-4-4-compress-PDFs-so-well-Is-there-a-quality-problem-tp4129492p4129497.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files
Tom Davies: I still think that Rtf is well worth avoiding if at all possible but sadly a whole load of people fell for MS's marketing. Even to this day there are people who believe in using it, despite the findings of the court case. Which court case? RTF is rather trivial format, providing compatibility between versions from 1986 till today. If LO does not support it, it is itself to blame, not Microsoft, 'monopolies' or denizens of Nibiru. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help Anyone
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Alan Pedder alanped...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: *Really appreciate your reply but unfortunately a lot of what you wrote is a bit over my level of knowledge and whilst I understand the terminology it did raise several questions i.e.1. Storing binaries refers to jpg files?2. What would a back end database look like? A spreadsheet?3. MySQL is an application that would interpret/interact with the database. Hence Libre Base would not be involved?4. Are there more stable databases products available excluding Access5. I get what you say about pointing to jpg/binaries but that is a feature I like about Base and not sure what Field Type would do that?* Hi again Alan. Sorry to jump in the deep end with my reply. A database is typically used by a very small number of people compared to word processing, spreadsheet, etc. As a result I didn't even think about holding back the jargon in my reply. Seems a number of people have given answers that should help you on your way. Regarding your questions here... 1. Yes 2. Yes, that is one way the table can be viewed. Like looking at the table in your database. Just keep in mind it is not a spread sheet and so even though it looks similar it does not work the same way. 3. MySQL *is* the database. LibreOffice Base is the program that shows you the table that is MySQL gives it. Kind of like your web browser lets you look at web pages. Each web site has its own web server and gives the web page to your browser to display for you. MySQL is the server and gives the table to LibreOffice Base to display for you. 4. There may be. I don't know of them. Hopefully other respondents can give an idea what options there are and how stable they might be. (Presuming you envision a single product answer where the whole thing can be managed by a single program as with Base and Access.) 5. Andreas provided that answer. If you missed it he suggests VARCHAR(100). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
