Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document Page Numbering Problems

2014-12-06 Thread Brian Barker

At 13:57 05/12/2014 -0700, Joseph Schrock wrote:

On Friday, December 5, 2014 12:38 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 10:03 05/12/2014 -0700, Joseph Schrock wrote:
I'm using Libreoffice Writer now. I'd created a document in 
Microsoft Word earlier. Then I got Libreoffice software, and when 
I use my manuscript file to save as another file (in Libreoffice), 
the page numbering screws up. When there are 3 digits in a page 
number, it puts the first 2 digits on a line and the third digit 
below that. That's messed up.


Indeed it is! And since that is not the way that LibreOffice Writer 
behaves, the question is: why have you done it that way?



How can I correct this?


That depends on exactly how you have contrived to create the 
problem. Microsoft Word has some fancy ways of formatting a page 
number in a header or footer, some of which will not even save in 
its older .doc file format. Have you perhaps used one of those? In 
any case, it seems likely that the space available for your page 
numbers is too small, so that the text flows naturally to another 
line when necessary. You may well find that simply reducing the 
font size of the page numbers will solve the problem. Alternatively 
you may be able to expand the frame, table cell, or whatever is 
restricting the text.


In any case, it would be a matter of only a few moments to remove 
the existing page numbers (and perhaps the header or footer) and 
then re-create them using LibreOffice's own facilities.


Thanks for your information. First, let me say that the reason I'm 
doing it this way is that I'd been using an older computer in which 
I had Windows XP. I bought a new computer and the technician 
suggested using Libreoffice (free of charge) software for writing, 
etc. Well, my old files were written in Microsoft Word. So, I now 
wanted to use the Libreoffice Writer software to make changes in the 
manuscripts. This was where I encountered the problem.


Sorry, but this doesn't answer my question. It was perfectly clear 
that you wanted to edit a Microsoft Word document in LibreOffice - 
the details don't matter. My point was that your problem was that you 
appeared to have used some obscure page number layout in Microsoft 
Word that was creating a problem for you unnecessarily. I know this 
because, much as I tried to reproduce your problem in a Microsoft 
Word document transferred to LibreOffice, I couldn't!


Incidentally, you may well have been able to transfer your existing 
licence for Microsoft Word to your new system anyway.


So far as eliminating the footer (page numbers) is concerned, I'd 
have no idea how to do this, ...


Whenever you use new software, surely it stands to reason that you 
will have no idea how to do many things? But finding out - through 
the help text, the documentation, web searches, asking for help, and 
so on - can be a matter of moments.


... but it now appears that it's a moot issue, because I got so fed 
up with Libreoffice ...


Wow: that was fast!

... that I downloaded some fairly pricey Microsoft software that 
I've already (as of this afternoon) started using. It works 
beautifully -- smoothly, efficiently, and like a charm.


I suspect those are descriptions that many of the millions of users 
of LibreOffice will also attribute to that product. It's worth saying 
that you would have learned to use Microsoft Word over a period: 
no-one unfamiliar with it would find it smooth and efficient in an 
afternoon. And if you chose to transfer to LibreOffice (or any other 
product), you would certainly need to spend a little time getting 
used to it. Of course, trying to get one product to handle the 
results of another is probably an unfair test anyway - whichever way 
around. Perhaps you fell into the trap of expecting LibreOffice to be 
a clone of Microsoft Office with a very different price tag? Perhaps 
that's the idea the technician wanted to give.


Thanks anyway for offering to help with the Libreoffice matter. No 
better than I am in computer-land, I need some very efficient 
software that assumes only minimal computer expertise. It looks as 
if Microsoft is willing to provide that -- in the event that we're 
willing to pay for it.


You say you had been using Microsoft Office, so you no doubt 
understand its ways. Your current experience, then, does not indicate 
that it assumes only minimal expertise; like any software, it 
assumes some expertise in using itself - which you clearly already 
have. Had you persevered beyond an afternoon, you could have 
transferred your skills fairly simply to LibreOffice.


Mind you, I should make clear that (unlike some other adherents of 
open source software) I'm happy for anyone to make his or her own 
choices of software, and I'm delighted that you are now happy with 
your fairly pricey solution.


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document Page Numbering Problems

2014-12-06 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 12/06/2014 06:42 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 13:57 05/12/2014 -0700, Joseph Schrock wrote:

On Friday, December 5, 2014 12:38 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 10:03 05/12/2014 -0700, Joseph Schrock wrote:
I'm using Libreoffice Writer now. I'd created a document in 
Microsoft Word earlier. Then I got Libreoffice software, and when I 
use my manuscript file to save as another file (in Libreoffice), 
the page numbering screws up. When there are 3 digits in a page 
number, it puts the first 2 digits on a line and the third digit 
below that. That's messed up.


Indeed it is! And since that is not the way that LibreOffice Writer 
behaves, the question is: why have you done it that way?



How can I correct this?


That depends on exactly how you have contrived to create the 
problem. Microsoft Word has some fancy ways of formatting a page 
number in a header or footer, some of which will not even save in 
its older .doc file format. Have you perhaps used one of those? In 
any case, it seems likely that the space available for your page 
numbers is too small, so that the text flows naturally to another 
line when necessary. You may well find that simply reducing the font 
size of the page numbers will solve the problem. Alternatively you 
may be able to expand the frame, table cell, or whatever is 
restricting the text.


In any case, it would be a matter of only a few moments to remove 
the existing page numbers (and perhaps the header or footer) and 
then re-create them using LibreOffice's own facilities.


Thanks for your information. First, let me say that the reason I'm 
doing it this way is that I'd been using an older computer in which I 
had Windows XP. I bought a new computer and the technician suggested 
using Libreoffice (free of charge) software for writing, etc. Well, 
my old files were written in Microsoft Word. So, I now wanted to use 
the Libreoffice Writer software to make changes in the manuscripts. 
This was where I encountered the problem.


Sorry, but this doesn't answer my question. It was perfectly clear 
that you wanted to edit a Microsoft Word document in LibreOffice - the 
details don't matter. My point was that your problem was that you 
appeared to have used some obscure page number layout in Microsoft 
Word that was creating a problem for you unnecessarily. I know this 
because, much as I tried to reproduce your problem in a Microsoft Word 
document transferred to LibreOffice, I couldn't!


Incidentally, you may well have been able to transfer your existing 
licence for Microsoft Word to your new system anyway.




Yes, if you have deleted the MS Office package off the original 
computer, and put it on the new one, you should be able to use it that 
way.  Transferring MS software over to a new system after you removed it 
for the old one should work.  The only problem is the statements like 
the one I saw when I bought Win7 Pro.  It was a single system OEM 
version and cannot be transferred to a different system.  It was less 
pricey than the full version that can be transfered to a new system 
when your old one breaks down.  So it really depends which style 
Office install you buy.


Right now, I have bought a new full version, and not an upgrade, of a 
graphics/photo editing software [X5 upgraded to X7] and I have installed 
the new version on the same system as the older version. So now I will 
install on, and transfer the licence, to a different Win7 system.  Both 
systems are laptops.



So far as eliminating the footer (page numbers) is concerned, I'd 
have no idea how to do this, ...


Whenever you use new software, surely it stands to reason that you 
will have no idea how to do many things? But finding out - through the 
help text, the documentation, web searches, asking for help, and so on 
- can be a matter of moments.


... but it now appears that it's a moot issue, because I got so fed 
up with Libreoffice ...


Wow: that was fast!

... that I downloaded some fairly pricey Microsoft software that I've 
already (as of this afternoon) started using. It works beautifully -- 
smoothly, efficiently, and like a charm.


I suspect those are descriptions that many of the millions of users of 
LibreOffice will also attribute to that product. It's worth saying 
that you would have learned to use Microsoft Word over a period: 
no-one unfamiliar with it would find it smooth and efficient in an 
afternoon. And if you chose to transfer to LibreOffice (or any other 
product), you would certainly need to spend a little time getting used 
to it. Of course, trying to get one product to handle the results of 
another is probably an unfair test anyway - whichever way around. 
Perhaps you fell into the trap of expecting LibreOffice to be a clone 
of Microsoft Office with a very different price tag? Perhaps that's 
the idea the technician wanted to give.


Thanks anyway for offering to help with the Libreoffice matter. No 
better than I am in computer-land, I need some very efficient 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document Page Numbering Problems

2014-12-06 Thread Brian Barker

At 07:21 06/12/2014 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote:
Yes, if you have deleted the MS Office package off the original 
computer, and put it on the new one, you should be able to use it 
that way. Transferring MS software over to a new system after you 
removed it for the old one should work. The only problem is the 
statements like the one I saw when I bought Win7 Pro. It was a 
single system OEM version and cannot be transferred to a different 
system. It was less pricey than the full version that can be 
transferred to a new system when your old one breaks down. So it 
really depends which style Office install you buy.


I'm not an expert, but I believe not. As you say, the Windows 
operating system certainly works this way: a copy you purchase with a 
new computer cannot be transferred. But I don't think this generally 
applies to Microsoft's application software, such as Office.


Brian Barker 



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[libreoffice-users] why filled alignment for cells?

2014-12-06 Thread Lera Goncharuk
Hi,

А horizontal alignment option for cells of Calc has choice 'filled' (right-
click on a cell → Format cell... → Alignment tab → Text alignment → 
Horizontal). It repeats the cell contents (number and text) until the visible 
area of the cell is completely filled or cuts the string to fit the cells.
Could anybody explain how it can be used for real-world example, please? I 
cannot figure out any reason for using this option.
Thank you in advance.

Lera

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[libreoffice-users] Re: why filled alignment for cells?

2014-12-06 Thread Urmas

Lera Goncharuk:


А horizontal alignment option for cells of Calc has choice 'filled'


This feature was used for making horizontal rulers in text mode spreadsheets 
and is kept for roundtrip compatibility. 




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[libreoffice-users] problem with bookmarks and cross-ref

2014-12-06 Thread Ash Hamilton
Hello Team,

Greetings from New Zealand from first timer to your users group.


the bookmarked and cross-ref’ed links appear and work in my Mac LO version ( 
4341 )   


 ….. clip of text from my document

the blue text are cross-refs 
that link to bookmarks in the document, it works nicely.




My Problem:

 but if I load the file in PC LO version (same when tried with AOO and NeoO) or 
any saved MS Word format, the links either no longer work or display incorrectly








 same document opened in PC LO (in .odt format)






 opened in Word on PC













the NAMES are replaced by numbers (that do work as links) or Names that are 
close to the expected text but don’t work.


  Saved as .docx on Mac and opened in mac LO





thank you






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