[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Remy,

I was going for 4 columns 1.75" wide, and 3 columns .25" wide.  Table 
width was set a 8" wide, frame set at 8" wide.


The dimensions I used came from using a ruler on a page of labels.

After reading your message, decided on a different approach on the 
dimensions, a purely math approach.  Gave me dimensions of less than a 
tenth of an inch for everything.


Finally I was able to get the width of the table to work, but not on the 
first try.  But the small box that is supposed to tell you how much 
space is left never changed from 0, so that was worthless as a guide.


As for the total height of the table, the difference in height is 
inconsequential if you are printing on plain paper.  But if you are 
printing on precut labels, it is consequential depending on the contents 
of each label.


Your result with the 3" high rows has been that way for years.  And the 
text used in the menu for row and column distribution is the same, the 
results you get are not.


I've never been able to think of a situation where you would want to 
have all rows to be adjusted the way LO does it.  And I don't know of 
any other word processor that does it tat way.  I've never been an Open 
Office user, but maybe I should install the current version to see what 
OO does.  But I suspect it's the same situation.


I filed a bug on this and something else years ago.  Others agreed with 
me on my comments.  But nothing has changed.


When I was told in this mailing list that my issues weren't important, 
that's when I stopped being a regular user of LO.  And I never will be 
again.


FYI, I got the table to eventually fit by selecting all the rows in the 
table, and manually entering a row height of .66 or .67.


I use LO very occasionally in this Mac, basically just to see what has 
been changed or added.  And I don't think I have it installed on a 
Windows system.




On 9/18/17 7:43 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi,
Sorry to hear you could not make it work. And you are absolutely right,
2/3 of an inch is not a measurement that works. BTW, your column
adjustment problem comes from the setting of the table width and
alignment. Not trivial, and it requires a lot of patience.
I did manage to get the table at the required height by setting the
first 14 cells at 0.5 inch and then the next one at 3 inches (I am
assuming 15 cells with 0.5 inch margin on top and bottom). Then, I
selected the whole table and used the Table -> Size -> Distribute rows
evenly. In my version (LO 5.3.6.1 on Fedora 25), what I get is a table
where all the rows are 3 inches high instead of identical height within
the current height of the table (which I would assume it would do based
on what happens when you select distribute column width evenly).
If I come up with some brilliant scheme that works, I'll let you know.
Regards,
Rémy.
Le lundi 18 septembre 2017 à 16:01 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :

Hi, Remy,

Before I forget this, I "regressed" to 5.2.7 to see if the
StartCenter
file loading problem I found in 5.3.1.6 was solved.  I will have to
create some documents to know the current status.

I could not get your idea to work.  In fact, I just spent 3-4 hours
trying to get your idea and LO's labels feature to work.  And it
didn't.
   :-(

This is what I am trying to do, create a page of labels to fit Avery
label #18294.

LO's label creation cannot create a page for Avery letter sized
labels,
#18294.  But neither can MS Word for Mac 2011 and Softmaker Office
2016
for Windows.  Printing on the label slowly moves lower on each label
and
you get closer to the bottom of the page.  Or it moves up on the
label.

Why does it do this?  I think it's because you cannot enter the
correct
size for the height of the label.  In all 3 programs you can only
enter
.66" or .67" for the height.  But neither number is correct.  The
actual
size of the label is two-thirds of an inch, a repeating decimal  to
infinity, I.E. .6 with 6's going on forever.  So, if
the
programmers formulas for calculating height is limited to 2 decimal
places, there is no option but to have a built-in error.

It had been suggested to me, somewhere, to use a table.  And that's
where the problem of the extra line feed, that is unnecessary if you
change the program code, comes into play.
And you end up screwing around and wasting your time with all the
various workarounds.

Anyway, I created a frame, and sized it to fit the page margins I
had
set up.  Those margins were the ones that should fit the area of the
sheet of labels I wish to print.  Then, I created a table inside the
frame.

I was never able to get the column widths to be correct.  In the
Table
Properties, I typed in the exact dimensions of the for the columns,
had
all the text offsets I could find set to 0", and then LO would
simply
change the widths to whatever when I exited the dialogue.

So I went to the Avery website, downloaded and installed their
Design
and Print software.  In 10-15 minutes, I had a page of labels 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Remy Gauthier]

Hi,
Sorry to hear you could not make it work. And you are absolutely right,
2/3 of an inch is not a measurement that works. BTW, your column
adjustment problem comes from the setting of the table width and
alignment. Not trivial, and it requires a lot of patience.
I did manage to get the table at the required height by setting the
first 14 cells at 0.5 inch and then the next one at 3 inches (I am
assuming 15 cells with 0.5 inch margin on top and bottom). Then, I
selected the whole table and used the Table -> Size -> Distribute rows
evenly. In my version (LO 5.3.6.1 on Fedora 25), what I get is a table
where all the rows are 3 inches high instead of identical height within
the current height of the table (which I would assume it would do based
on what happens when you select distribute column width evenly).
If I come up with some brilliant scheme that works, I'll let you know.
Regards,
Rémy.
Le lundi 18 septembre 2017 à 16:01 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :
> Hi, Remy,
> 
> Before I forget this, I "regressed" to 5.2.7 to see if the
> StartCenter 
> file loading problem I found in 5.3.1.6 was solved.  I will have to 
> create some documents to know the current status.
> 
> I could not get your idea to work.  In fact, I just spent 3-4 hours 
> trying to get your idea and LO's labels feature to work.  And it
> didn't. 
>   :-(
> 
> This is what I am trying to do, create a page of labels to fit Avery 
> label #18294.
> 
> LO's label creation cannot create a page for Avery letter sized
> labels, 
> #18294.  But neither can MS Word for Mac 2011 and Softmaker Office
> 2016 
> for Windows.  Printing on the label slowly moves lower on each label
> and 
> you get closer to the bottom of the page.  Or it moves up on the
> label.
> 
> Why does it do this?  I think it's because you cannot enter the
> correct 
> size for the height of the label.  In all 3 programs you can only
> enter 
> .66" or .67" for the height.  But neither number is correct.  The
> actual 
> size of the label is two-thirds of an inch, a repeating decimal  to 
> infinity, I.E. .6 with 6's going on forever.  So, if
> the 
> programmers formulas for calculating height is limited to 2 decimal 
> places, there is no option but to have a built-in error.
> 
> It had been suggested to me, somewhere, to use a table.  And that's 
> where the problem of the extra line feed, that is unnecessary if you 
> change the program code, comes into play.
> And you end up screwing around and wasting your time with all the 
> various workarounds.
> 
> Anyway, I created a frame, and sized it to fit the page margins I
> had 
> set up.  Those margins were the ones that should fit the area of the 
> sheet of labels I wish to print.  Then, I created a table inside the
> frame.
> 
> I was never able to get the column widths to be correct.  In the
> Table 
> Properties, I typed in the exact dimensions of the for the columns,
> had 
> all the text offsets I could find set to 0", and then LO would
> simply 
> change the widths to whatever when I exited the dialogue.
> 
> So I went to the Avery website, downloaded and installed their
> Design 
> and Print software.  In 10-15 minutes, I had a page of labels that
> fit.
> 
>  From now on, it's the Avery software for me, when it comes to
> labels. 
> I am going to install the current version of Open Office, see if it
> has 
> the same problems.  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/17/17 2:08 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > You can place the table in a frame that is set to be behind the
> > text on
> > the page (this will remove the space taken by the paragraph mark
> > after
> > the table on the page but not in the frame). Anchor the frame to
> > the
> > page, with the top at 0 cm from the text zone. Place the data in
> > your
> > table and then spread the rows evenly in the table (from the table
> > menu). By adjusting the height of your table, you should be able to
> > fit
> > it between your top and bottom margins. This is the easiest way I
> > can
> > think of, but it is not straightforward.
> > 
> > I hope this helps.
> > 
> > Rémy Gauthier.
> > 
> > Le dimanche 17 septembre 2017 à 12:42 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :
> > > Libre Office 5.3.6.1
> > > 
> > > Mac OS X 10.11.6 El Capitan
> > > 
> > > I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that
> > > starts at
> > > the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same
> > > height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document.
> > > 
> > > Can this be done?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Ken
> > > Mac OS X 10.11.6
> > > Firefox 53.0.2  (64 bit)
> > > Thunderbird 52.0
> > > "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
> > >    and it's gone!"
> > > 
> > > 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Thunderbird 52.0
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Remy,

Before I forget this, I "regressed" to 5.2.7 to see if the StartCenter 
file loading problem I found in 5.3.1.6 was solved.  I will have to 
create some documents to know the current status.


I could not get your idea to work.  In fact, I just spent 3-4 hours 
trying to get your idea and LO's labels feature to work.  And it didn't. 
 :-(


This is what I am trying to do, create a page of labels to fit Avery 
label #18294.


LO's label creation cannot create a page for Avery letter sized labels, 
#18294.  But neither can MS Word for Mac 2011 and Softmaker Office 2016 
for Windows.  Printing on the label slowly moves lower on each label and 
you get closer to the bottom of the page.  Or it moves up on the label.


Why does it do this?  I think it's because you cannot enter the correct 
size for the height of the label.  In all 3 programs you can only enter 
.66" or .67" for the height.  But neither number is correct.  The actual 
size of the label is two-thirds of an inch, a repeating decimal  to 
infinity, I.E. .6 with 6's going on forever.  So, if the 
programmers formulas for calculating height is limited to 2 decimal 
places, there is no option but to have a built-in error.


It had been suggested to me, somewhere, to use a table.  And that's 
where the problem of the extra line feed, that is unnecessary if you 
change the program code, comes into play.
And you end up screwing around and wasting your time with all the 
various workarounds.


Anyway, I created a frame, and sized it to fit the page margins I had 
set up.  Those margins were the ones that should fit the area of the 
sheet of labels I wish to print.  Then, I created a table inside the frame.


I was never able to get the column widths to be correct.  In the Table 
Properties, I typed in the exact dimensions of the for the columns, had 
all the text offsets I could find set to 0", and then LO would simply 
change the widths to whatever when I exited the dialogue.


So I went to the Avery website, downloaded and installed their Design 
and Print software.  In 10-15 minutes, I had a page of labels that fit.


From now on, it's the Avery software for me, when it comes to labels. 
I am going to install the current version of Open Office, see if it has 
the same problems.  :-)






On 9/17/17 2:08 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi,

You can place the table in a frame that is set to be behind the text on
the page (this will remove the space taken by the paragraph mark after
the table on the page but not in the frame). Anchor the frame to the
page, with the top at 0 cm from the text zone. Place the data in your
table and then spread the rows evenly in the table (from the table
menu). By adjusting the height of your table, you should be able to fit
it between your top and bottom margins. This is the easiest way I can
think of, but it is not straightforward.

I hope this helps.

Rémy Gauthier.

Le dimanche 17 septembre 2017 à 12:42 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :

Libre Office 5.3.6.1

Mac OS X 10.11.6 El Capitan

I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that starts at
the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same
height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document.

Can this be done?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: No icons in 5.4.1?

[V Stuart Foote]

Likely bug  tdf#108406
  

It has been corrected, but for now you'll need to select a different icon
theme from Tools -> Options -> View: Icon style drop list. The Helpimg icon
set is part of the help system and not a full icon set. Selecting it results
in labels only on the toolbars.
 



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[libreoffice-users] No icons in 5.4.1?

[MR ZenWiz]

I just downloaded and installed LO 5.4.1 (on my Xubuntu 16.04.3 VM),
and I don't see the icons in the toolbars, even though they are set
for icons-only.

Did I miss something?

Thanks.

MR

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Re: [libreoffice-users] a pet peeve with LO Writer

[Tim-L]

What happens when you set the option from 10 to 5 minutes?  The problem 
may stem from how does LibreOffice know where you were in the document 
before it "crashed".  That info must be saved somewhere outside the 
recovery document.



What do you call a "large document"?

It is nice to hear that others use the the auto-recovery.  I have needed 
it many times.


To be honest, I forgot all about this option since I have not needed it 
since the 5.1.x line.



On 09/18/2017 09:14 AM, Philip Jackson wrote:

A little thing which I find very annoying is the way Writer drops me
back at the last used cursor location immediately after making an
automatic save.

When working on a large document, for safety reasons I have the
auto-recovery information saved every ten minutes.  If I don't remember
to keep clicking on the page as I scroll through doing an edit, there
comes a moment when the auto-recovery info gets saved and suddenly I
find I'm back elsewhere in the document than where I wanted to be.

It is a very annoying and unfortunate result of a sensible saving
procedure.

It happens too with manual saves are made but is less likely because
when I make a manual save it is most often when I have just made an edit
on the current page.

Does anyone know if there is a setting in the expert configuration under
advanced options where this behavior could be modified so that the page
currently in view does not disappear when auto-recovery save is made ?

Philip




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO printing issue, 5.3.6.1

[Tim-L]

I had problems with the 5.2.x line.  When I went to Format/Page, it took 
a slow 30 count before that menu came up.  The early 5.3.x line had 
other issues to me, but in the end the 5.3.5 and 5.3.7 version works 
fine, except the old printing issues listed in this post.



On 09/17/2017 05:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Interesting. It's an old problem that has reared it's ugly head.

I'm going to back up to 5.2.7 where it seems this is not a problem.

And it may solve the Start Center/Remote files problem I've found.


On 9/17/17 2:04 PM, Al Maloney wrote:

Please see
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92190 et al

Velox Versutus Vigilans

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Ken Springer  wrote:


I also use the Export to PDF option. Feels like a lot less work to me!
LOL

What is curious to me, is how this issue escaped notice in the "stable"
version, which is meant for those that don't want to deal with issues.

As well as my thread about opening remote files, which I just 
discovered

affects more than the remote files I mentioned in my original post.



On 9/17/17 11:03 AM, Tim-L wrote:



I get that issue many times with 64-bit DEB version.

A lot of the times when I see that issue I do a "trick".  I choose a
different printer, then do a "print preview".  After that, I go 
back to

the original printer and look at the print preview option. Sometimes
that works.  Why - who knows.  If it does not work the first time, 
I try

going to a different printer on my network,  Most times the "trick"
works after the second try.

I have 2 Canon inkjet printers that I use most, and the newest has an
internal "filter" deciding what paper tray "IT" wants the document 
paper
type will be printed.  With the "bug" of not allowing the user to 
choose
paper orientation, paper tray, and even paper size, is the biggest 
issue

I have right now.

Yes, the orientation issue is a pain to deal with, along with the 
other
printing controls, but there is at least an option to export it it 
a PDF

file and use your PDF document reader and print the document[s] from
that package.  It still is a pain to do this. Hopefully the bug 
will be

fixed soon, like other ones that creep up from time to time.


On 09/16/2017 09:04 PM, Ken Springer wrote:


Mac OS X 10.11.6

I create a document in portrait orientation.

Print Preview is correct.

PDF export is correct.

Printing is not.  The document displays and print as landscape.

Create a landscape document, and printing is correct.

Bug?










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[libreoffice-users] Re: resume support on daily builds

[Pedro]

Hi


krishna-2 wrote
> is resume supported on daily builds at [ z ] ? at my present download
> speed it might take at least five days to complete ;)

Yes, the server supports resume downloads.

Regards,
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

On 9/18/17 5:42 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 12:42 17/09/2017 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that starts
at the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same
height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document. Can
this be done?


As has been said, there appears to be no way to avoid an empty
paragraph after the table - appearing either on the same page or a
following one. But you can change the font size of this empty
paragraph so as to minimise its impact. Note that, even though the
smallest value provided in the Font Size drop-down menu is 6 pt, you
can enter smaller values - as small as 2 pt - by typing into the Font
Size box. Two points is pretty invisible.

If you want to be really precise, you could modify the bottom margin
on any such page so that the last table row finishes where the bottom
margin would have been without the rogue empty paragraph.

I trust this helps.

Hi, Brian,

I've been doing this for years, since I had no option to using MS Word. 
(Company policy)


But, prior to changing to MS Word, we used WordPerfect.  This workaround 
to try to get what you want was not needed.  You simply did what you 
wanted with no futzing around.  :-)


I hope to have the time to try Remy's frame idea.  But yet again, that's 
a work around, not a solution.  :-)



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[libreoffice-users] a pet peeve with LO Writer

[Philip Jackson]

A little thing which I find very annoying is the way Writer drops me
back at the last used cursor location immediately after making an
automatic save.

When working on a large document, for safety reasons I have the
auto-recovery information saved every ten minutes.  If I don't remember
to keep clicking on the page as I scroll through doing an edit, there
comes a moment when the auto-recovery info gets saved and suddenly I
find I'm back elsewhere in the document than where I wanted to be.

It is a very annoying and unfortunate result of a sensible saving
procedure.

It happens too with manual saves are made but is less likely because
when I make a manual save it is most often when I have just made an edit
on the current page.

Does anyone know if there is a setting in the expert configuration under
advanced options where this behavior could be modified so that the page
currently in view does not disappear when auto-recovery save is made ?

Philip

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Brian Barker]

At 12:42 17/09/2017 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:
I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that starts 
at the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same 
height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document. Can 
this be done?


As has been said, there appears to be no way to avoid an empty 
paragraph after the table - appearing either on the same page or a 
following one. But you can change the font size of this empty 
paragraph so as to minimise its impact. Note that, even though the 
smallest value provided in the Font Size drop-down menu is 6 pt, you 
can enter smaller values - as small as 2 pt - by typing into the Font 
Size box. Two points is pretty invisible.


If you want to be really precise, you could modify the bottom margin 
on any such page so that the last table row finishes where the bottom 
margin would have been without the rogue empty paragraph.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] resume support on daily builds

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
You might need to ask on the dev's mailing list.  They probably use irc or
whatever.  From your posts it sounds like you would often get better
responses from them.

It sounds like you are doing great stuff that they might appreciate.  Note
that they might not be people-friendly and may say things an odd way around
sometimes.  Also they are all individuals so a rebuke from 1 is very
unlikely to be anything the rest agree with, and may not even be meant as a
rebuke so try not to take offence.  People on this mailing-list might be
able to help understand what they are really trying to say if you have any
problems.

Another good team to join is the QA bug-reporting team.  They prolly have
an odd mix of people - more so than this mailing-list.  Someone of your
skills and interests might start with a bit of triaging to help sort out
how important each bug is, whether you can repeat the problem, and/or file
the bug-report in the appropriate place.  Some of that could easily be done
by a non-coder but it might be good experience to do a couple of those
before moving into working on coding.

There are many non-coding areas that people from this mailing list might
enjoy and be really helpful with.  There is documentation (published guides
and wiki-editing etc), translation (between human languages), marketting,
design and so on.  It's often good to try 2 or 3 different types of roles
before settling down on 1 thing - although a good long run in 1 area can
also be a good way to start.  Hopefully we each find an area we can enjoy
working in.

This mailing-list is a good one to keep coming back to and we might be able
to help ease you into whichever other area you try.
Good luck and many regards from
a Tom :)



On 18 Sep 2017 06:30, "krishna"  wrote:

> good morning,
>
> is resume supported on daily builds at [ z ] ? at my present download
> speed it might take at least five days to complete ;)
>
>
> [ z ] http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
>
> regards,
> krishna
>
>
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