Re: [libreoffice-users] [LibraOffice-Users] - DONT use Reply to for a new thread
On 04/07/11 01:23, John B wrote: Ok - I use Thunderbird and found out how to switch threads ON, since I have never used them before. Thunderbird now displays in a tree like fashion I thought - that looks good - I will leave that on Then a few new emails came in - and I had to scan to find out where they were posted, because they attach to the bottom of an email tread (maybe even from weeks ago). and not at the very top. Ahh - That is no good for me I need to see them in date order so OFF its gone again. Now, whilst I can see the advantage viewing by thread posting if that's the right term, I doubt that I will ever use it myself. regards John B --- John, In Thunderbird, sort your threaded messages by date. Then you have the thread with the most recent additions fist (I sort with most recent up) and the you have exactly what you want. If your thread is collapsed you see the addition to the thread as the starting mail of the thread is underlined. I use that for over 3 years and never wanted it otherwise. The best way is first to collapse all threads and then sort them on date, most recent first. Joep -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [LibraOffice-Users] - DONT use Reply to for a new thread
Dear Hal I had no Idea this happened, I thought just by putting in a new subject changed the thread. I will make up a template for use for new subjects from now on. John B John, You've written two posts by hitting Reply to: on another email that's about another subject (About the Delete Key on OS X). While that's an easy way to make sure you get the list address without typing it in, it means your new posts, on totally different topics, are rolled up into this thread about the Delete Key. That creates a few problems: 1) Those dealing with the thread on Delete Keys are frustrated because that discussion is now taken over by two other topics and it's harder to follow the discussion, and 2) People that are potentially interested in your topics have a good chance of never seeing them because they're folded up in a topic about Delete Keys and OS X. People that may have answers to your questions may never see your posts because they'll be filed under the other topic, so they may see that topic, decide it doesn't apply to them, and delete the entire thread, including your posts. You can avoid this by not starting new threads by using the Reply to: function and just changing the title -- email programs look at data other than the subject to determine topic threads. Hal On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, John B wrote: Eagerly awaited - for a LO working mail merge from the newly released 3.4.1 Before I did this test, I completely cleaned 3.3.3 using revo-uninstaller to ensure a completely new install. The 1st thing I did was to view existing mail merge data files from 3.3.3 - they were still all screwed up as before. I therefore deleted them, so at to not cause further confusion and start again from new. However, I could not find a way of deleting the old files from the internal list (there is no remove button), once I looked at them. I started from fresh, I created a standard 2 name data base for Mr Smith Mr Blogs. I did this with ease. Now when the MM came to the part that places the data on the letter (6. Edit Document), a few strange things happened, the address line 2, the County and Company names were not present, the post code came before the town name and the title Mr is on a separate line to his name. This is where you have a learn a new game called shuffle and add the field names. So you go back to 3. Insert Address Block, go into edit mode and play with the arrows and create a standard address pattern (which you would have thought would be the default). I considered that this could this be deliberate (because they are so bad) - so as to force you to look and make your own? However, you will only have to do this once, as LO remembers this layout for the next time. Then Create Salutation (tick the boxes),Adjust layout (I did not use this), then Edit document In Edit Document the Field Names are deposited on your letter for the 1st time, the next thing you notice is the weird Spacing between the address lines, you cannot adjust this in the document directly (its frozen), so you have to go to the Edit Document's:- Edit Document (right click) Edit Paragraph style indents spacing Below Paragraph set to 0.00cm - This puts it back to the letter default. Then Personalise Document (this prints all your letters) - this is where you now can see (WYSIWYG) for the 1st time, the full document that will be printed and you realise that there are no spaces or comma's between the fields hence the 1st line looks like MrJohnSmith. To resolve this, you have to go back to Edit Document to put in spaces (and comma's). I could find no way of doing this at making / inserting address block stage, so you will always need to do this on each new mail merge. I saved and Exited I then realised that there were no name(s) after the salutation Dear .., so I went back and tried unsuccessfully to insert it again, the moment you go from Edit Document (where the Dear Mr Smith exists) to Personalise Document, it disappears ( a Bug me thinks). As a work around, whilst in Edit mode, I copied pasted the name, this (the name) stayed when I went on to Personalise Document (annoying but it worked). So I would suggest don't use Create Salutation, make your own, by copying pasting from the main Address block. Also, on testing, other previously known bugs:- As long as you do not click the Insert address block on the 2nd time around (leave it greyed out), then it does not insert a 2nd address block AND the links stay in place. Having exited again, I then edited the data base file (*.csv) by adding a new name (a 3rd name in my case), in the spread sheet format *.csv (it takes a while to find this file and remember to read it in tab format). Re- started the mail merge - and it Worked!! - 3 names. So names addresses can now be entered with ease and without having to open mail merge and mass
Re: [libreoffice-users] [LibraOffice-Users] - DONT use Reply to for a new thread
Hi :) Sorry, i didn't notice this because i don't use Nabble or Gmane for the emailing list. I just use my normal email-client and i imagine most new users do too. Still, it's good to know for the future so thanks for that Hal :) Regards from Tom :) From: John B jo...@email2.me To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 3 July, 2011 20:27:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] [LibraOffice-Users] - DONT use Reply to for a new thread Dear Hal I had no Idea this happened, I thought just by putting in a new subject changed the thread. I will make up a template for use for new subjects from now on. John B John, You've written two posts by hitting Reply to: on another email that's about another subject (About the Delete Key on OS X). While that's an easy way to make sure you get the list address without typing it in, it means your new posts, on totally different topics, are rolled up into this thread about the Delete Key. That creates a few problems: 1) Those dealing with the thread on Delete Keys are frustrated because that discussion is now taken over by two other topics and it's harder to follow the discussion, and 2) People that are potentially interested in your topics have a good chance of never seeing them because they're folded up in a topic about Delete Keys and OS X. People that may have answers to your questions may never see your posts because they'll be filed under the other topic, so they may see that topic, decide it doesn't apply to them, and delete the entire thread, including your posts. You can avoid this by not starting new threads by using the Reply to: function and just changing the title -- email programs look at data other than the subject to determine topic threads. Hal On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, John B wrote: Eagerly awaited - for a LO working mail merge from the newly released 3.4.1 Before I did this test, I completely cleaned 3.3.3 using revo-uninstaller to ensure a completely new install. The 1st thing I did was to view existing mail merge data files from 3.3.3 - they were still all screwed up as before. I therefore deleted them, so at to not cause further confusion and start again from new. However, I could not find a way of deleting the old files from the internal list (there is no remove button), once I looked at them. I started from fresh, I created a standard 2 name data base for Mr Smith Mr Blogs. I did this with ease. Now when the MM came to the part that places the data on the letter (6. Edit Document), a few strange things happened, the address line 2, the County and Company names were not present, the post code came before the town name and the title Mr is on a separate line to his name. This is where you have a learn a new game called shuffle and add the field names. So you go back to 3. Insert Address Block, go into edit mode and play with the arrows and create a standard address pattern (which you would have thought would be the default). I considered that this could this be deliberate (because they are so bad) - so as to force you to look and make your own? However, you will only have to do this once, as LO remembers this layout for the next time. Then Create Salutation (tick the boxes),Adjust layout (I did not use this), then Edit document In Edit Document the Field Names are deposited on your letter for the 1st time, the next thing you notice is the weird Spacing between the address lines, you cannot adjust this in the document directly (its frozen), so you have to go to the Edit Document's:- Edit Document (right click) Edit Paragraph style indents spacing Below Paragraph set to 0.00cm - This puts it back to the letter default. Then Personalise Document (this prints all your letters) - this is where you now can see (WYSIWYG) for the 1st time, the full document that will be printed and you realise that there are no spaces or comma's between the fields hence the 1st line looks like MrJohnSmith. To resolve this, you have to go back to Edit Document to put in spaces (and comma's). I could find no way of doing this at making / inserting address block stage, so you will always need to do this on each new mail merge. I saved and Exited I then realised that there were no name(s) after the salutation Dear .., so I went back and tried unsuccessfully to insert it again, the moment you go from Edit Document (where the Dear Mr Smith exists) to Personalise Document, it disappears ( a Bug me thinks). As a work around, whilst in Edit mode, I copied pasted the name, this (the name) stayed when I went on to Personalise Document (annoying but it worked). So I would suggest don't use Create Salutation, make your own, by copying pasting from the main Address block. Also, on testing, other previously known bugs:- As long as you do not click the Insert
[libreoffice-users] [LibraOffice-Users] - DONT use Reply to for a new thread
Ok - I use Thunderbird and found out how to switch threads ON, since I have never used them before. Thunderbird now displays in a tree like fashion I thought - that looks good - I will leave that on Then a few new emails came in - and I had to scan to find out where they were posted, because they attach to the bottom of an email tread (maybe even from weeks ago). and not at the very top. Ahh - That is no good for me I need to see them in date order so OFF its gone again. Now, whilst I can see the advantage viewing by thread posting if that's the right term, I doubt that I will ever use it myself. regards John B --- On 03/07/2011 23:45, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-07-03, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/07/03 3:26 PM Tom Davies wrote: Sorry, i didn't notice this because i don't use Nabble or Gmane for the emailing list. I just use my normal email-client and i imagine most new users do too. Still, it's good to know for the future so thanks for that Hal It has nothing to do with using Nabble or Gmane. I don't know about Nabble, but Gmane is nntp, where message references work the same way (or at least in a very similar way). So using reply-to to start a new thread screws people in Gmane too. Please just do what you want to do. If you want to send a new message, and not reply to some other message, *do not* use the reply to feature of your client, use the new message compose mail or equivalent. It's not hard to copy and paste the list address. Likewise, if you want to reply to another message, use reply to, not new message, compose mail. Just like when you set your power supply to run on 230V (and *not* 110V) when you use your computer in a 230V power network. Most e-mail clients can be set to sort incoming messages into threads. BTW please set your client to attribute messages you are replying to so people can tell what you write and what you are replying to. Tom seems to be using Yahoo webmail. From the little experience I had with webmails, they rarely do a good job of not screwing emails. Tom's mails have attribution, it's just in some uncommon format (MS Outlook-like?). I'm lucky enough to have a client that has an Outlook-deuglify feature, but it still can't fix the outermost attribution in some emails, I just fix these manually. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
