Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-07 Thread gordon cooper

Ken,
  I'll admit to not knowing LO very well, do most of my work
in Lyx, so one of the guru's may correct me.

I believe that your problems are in the save procedure. When you edit
one of your custom templates, LO will be handling it as an .odt, which
is normal.  If you do a Save As .ott  you'll be asked where to put it. 
Unless
you specify exactly where, your edited template will probably be saved 
somewhere
in Documents and thus will _not_  be recalled if you type Ctrl+Shift+N.  
It thus

appears to you that the edit  has not worked.

For your template to be selected by Ctrl+ etc. it needs to be saved in the
Users Templates  sub-folder.  This is vaguely explained in the Help. Look
at Tools>Options>LibreOffice>Paths  for the exact address.

Gordon.








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-07 Thread Brian Barker

At 21:56 06/10/2016 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
I would also dearly like to open the template manager to allow me to 
create a new template or edit an existing one. What other ways exist?
I have managed to save a template from an existing document, but I 
cannot edit such a template for the reason several times already described.


Suppose you create a document from an existing template, and then 
save a new template from that document (both of which processes you 
appear to be able to do). You would end up with a new template 
identical to the first. If you edit the document before saving the 
template from it, you get an edited version of the template.


Is this a workaround?

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-07 Thread Ken Heard
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On 2016-10-06 23:00, gordon cooper wrote:
> The Help says  open with Ctrl+Shift+N.  It worked for me,
> 
> was able to edit a template.
> 
> Gordon.

That (Ctrl-Shift-N) is what I did use and got the results (non-results
really) I described in my last post,

Ken

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-06 Thread gordon cooper

The Help says  open with Ctrl+Shift+N.  It worked for me,

was able to edit a template.

Gordon.


On 07/10/16 14:56, Ken Heard wrote:

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See my comments inline.

On 2016-10-06 20:09, Girvin Herr wrote:


What is the sense of having an edit button if it cannot be used to
edit something, in this case ott files?

Ken
Ken,

Well, you can do that.  But I think it will become a document
(odt), not a template (ott).  Templates are treated differently
than documents in LO, so you can't just open and save them like
documents.

Yes, I was aware of the difference.

  No, the best

way to edit templates is through the Template Manager.

Agreed.  That is what I am trying to do.


 From the main page (no open documents) try Templates > Edit
Templates and select the template you want to edit.

Presumably after selecting the wanted template the last step is to
click on the "Edit" button at the top of the window.  That is what I
cannot do; clicking on the "Edit" button produces no result; the
desired template does NOT open.  Reporting this problem was the reason
for my original post.


Or if a document is open, use File > Templates > Manage. In the
Template Manager, select the template to edit then select the
"Edit" button to open it for editing.

In this situation I get the same result.  Clicking on "Edit" does NOT
open the Selected template.


When you save the edited template, use the Save or Save As button
as you would a document.

I would dearly like to get to this point.


There are probably other ways to do this, but I think the key here
is to make sure you open the template with the Template Manger, not
like a regular document.

I would also dearly like to open the template manager to allow me to
create a new template or edit an existing one.  What other ways exist?

  > Note that if you make a template from a document, you must use the Fi
le

Templates > Save as Template process, not just save a document
with a

.ott suffix.

I have managed to save a template from an existing document, but I
cannot edit such a template for the reason several times already
described.

Regards, Ken
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-06 Thread Ken Heard
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See my comments inline.

On 2016-10-06 20:09, Girvin Herr wrote:

> What is the sense of having an edit button if it cannot be used to 
> edit something, in this case ott files?
> 
> Ken
>> 
> Ken,
> 
> Well, you can do that.  But I think it will become a document
> (odt), not a template (ott).  Templates are treated differently
> than documents in LO, so you can't just open and save them like
> documents.

Yes, I was aware of the difference.

 No, the best
> way to edit templates is through the Template Manager.

Agreed.  That is what I am trying to do.

> From the main page (no open documents) try Templates > Edit
> Templates and select the template you want to edit.

Presumably after selecting the wanted template the last step is to
click on the "Edit" button at the top of the window.  That is what I
cannot do; clicking on the "Edit" button produces no result; the
desired template does NOT open.  Reporting this problem was the reason
for my original post.

> Or if a document is open, use File > Templates > Manage. In the
> Template Manager, select the template to edit then select the
> "Edit" button to open it for editing.

In this situation I get the same result.  Clicking on "Edit" does NOT
open the Selected template.

> When you save the edited template, use the Save or Save As button
> as you would a document.

I would dearly like to get to this point.

> There are probably other ways to do this, but I think the key here
> is to make sure you open the template with the Template Manger, not
> like a regular document.

I would also dearly like to open the template manager to allow me to
create a new template or edit an existing one.  What other ways exist?

 > Note that if you make a template from a document, you must use the Fi
le
>> Templates > Save as Template process, not just save a document
>> with a
> .ott suffix.

I have managed to save a template from an existing document, but I
cannot edit such a template for the reason several times already
described.

Regards, Ken
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-06 Thread Girvin Herr

On 10/06/2016 02:10 PM, Ken Heard wrote:

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On 2016-10-06 00:37, jorge wrote:

Hi Ken and all:

It would be because the template is only for read, not for edit. In
this case you have to save with other name and then edit.

I hope this help,

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez

What is the sense of having an edit button if it cannot be used to
edit something, in this case ott files?

Ken


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Ken,

Well, you can do that.  But I think it will become a document (odt), not 
a template (ott).  Templates are treated differently than documents in 
LO, so you can't just open and save them like documents.  No, the best 
way to edit templates is through the Template Manager.


From the main page (no open documents) try Templates > Edit Templates 
and select the template you want to edit.


Or if a document is open, use File > Templates > Manage. In the Template 
Manager, select the template to edit then select the "Edit" button to 
open it for editing.


When you save the edited template, use the Save or Save As button as you 
would a document.  There are probably other ways to do this, but I think 
the key here is to make sure you open the template with the Template 
Manger, not like a regular document.


Note that if you make a template from a document, you must use the File 
> Templates > Save as Template process, not just save a document with a 
.ott suffix.


HTH.

Girvin Herr



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-06 Thread Ken Heard
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On 2016-10-06 00:37, jorge wrote:
> Hi Ken and all:
> 
> It would be because the template is only for read, not for edit. In
> this case you have to save with other name and then edit.
> 
> I hope this help,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jorge Rodríguez

What is the sense of having an edit button if it cannot be used to
edit something, in this case ott files?

Ken


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-05 Thread jorge
Hi Ken and all:

It would be because the template is only for read, not for edit. In this
case you have to save with other name and then edit.

I hope this help,

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez




El mié, 05-10-2016 a las 11:40 -0400, Ken Heard escribió: 
> In my Debian Jessie box I wanted to edit an ott template file. After
> however selecting the one I wanted to edit, clicking on the edit
> button did not open it.  This fault I encountered only after upgrading
> on 2016-06-30 to LibreOffice 1:5.1.4-rc2-2~bpo8+1 from  1:5.1.2-3~bpo8+1
> .

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Atentamente,

Jorge Rodríguez


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[libreoffice-users] Cannot edit a template ott file

2016-10-05 Thread Ken Heard
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In my Debian Jessie box I wanted to edit an ott template file. After
however selecting the one I wanted to edit, clicking on the edit
button did not open it.  This fault I encountered only after upgrading
on 2016-06-30 to LibreOffice 1:5.1.4-rc2-2~bpo8+1 from  1:5.1.2-3~bpo8+1
.
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