[libreoffice-users] Clarification about ODF Extended
ODF as implemented by OpenOffice and then LibreOffice has always been the "extended" version, and not the "strict standard" version, although it has always been possible to choose the latter. ODF become a standard in 2006, based on OOo 2.0 (2005) file format, but OOo was already shipping some additional features which have been integrated in ODF 1.2 (consolidated in 2008, and standardized in 2011). Today, LibreOffice integrates some additional features in ODF 1.2, which will hopefully become part of ODF 1.3 (like font embedding). In general, saving as ODF 1.2 Extended does not create problem to users of other ODF compatible software, as the format is backward compatible (so font embedding will not create problems, but will not be recognized by other software). This is the reason why LibreOffice suggests ODF 1.2 Extended, and not the ODF 1.2 "strict" version. Being the format XML based, the tags will not be recognized if they belong to ODF 1.2, but this will not create problems to the document. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Clarification about ODF Extended
On 16/03/2014, Italo Vignoli wrote: > ODF as implemented by OpenOffice and then LibreOffice has always been > the "extended" version, and not the "strict standard" version, although > it has always been possible to choose the latter. ODF become a standard > in 2006, based on OOo 2.0 (2005) file format, but OOo was already > shipping some additional features which have been integrated in ODF 1.2 > (consolidated in 2008, and standardized in 2011). > Thanks for this information. The difference between extended and strict allows for confusion to occur. In the option "load/save,general", there is no option "strict standard", only 10/11, 12, 12extended. > Today, LibreOffice integrates some additional features in ODF 1.2, which > will hopefully become part of ODF 1.3 (like font embedding). In general, > saving as ODF 1.2 Extended does not create problem to users of other ODF > compatible software, as the format is backward compatible (so font > embedding will not create problems, but will not be recognized by other > software). > How can font-embed occur if affected by licence restrictions on a font (e.g. font x is licenced to be used only on gpl systems)? > This is the reason why LibreOffice suggests ODF 1.2 Extended, and not > the ODF 1.2 "strict" version. Being the format XML based, the tags will > not be recognized if they belong to ODF 1.2, but this will not create > problems to the document. > So how are non-standard elements treated when ignored? It seems safer to select either odf 10/11 or 12"strict". Is there a definitive list of these LO 12extended "features" so that users can decide if it beneficial to use them, or revert to standard odf? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Clarification about ODF Extended
On 17/03/14 11:53, e-letter wrote: > Thanks for this information. The difference between extended and > strict allows for confusion to occur. In the option > "load/save,general", there is no option "strict standard", only 10/11, > 12, 12extended. ODF 1.2 is the standard, and I have used "strict" to underline the difference. There is only one version of the ODF standard, so we do not need to use "strict". > How can font-embed occur if affected by licence restrictions on a font > (e.g. font x is licenced to be used only on gpl systems)? LibreOffice is only using fonts with a free license (mostly SIL) which can be distributed freely to any kind of operating system. There is not a single font that can be used only with GPL licensed operating systems or applications. > So how are non-standard elements treated when ignored? > It seems safer to select either odf 10/11 or 12"strict". Is there a > definitive list of these LO 12extended "features" so that users can > decide if it beneficial to use them, or revert to standard odf? Nothing happens when XML tags are ignored, to systems which are not supporting the ODF 1.2 Extended document format. This is the reason why we can suggest to use ODF 1.2 Extended as the preferred format, because backward compatibility is maintained. Somewhere in the wiki there is a list of the extended features, but please remember that we are speaking of a document format and not of software features. So, most of the new LibreOffice features do not impact the document format. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Clarification about ODF Extended
On 17/03/2014, Italo Vignoli wrote: > > Nothing happens when XML tags are ignored, to systems which are not > supporting the ODF 1.2 Extended document format. This is the reason why > we can suggest to use ODF 1.2 Extended as the preferred format, because > backward compatibility is maintained. > Thanks to the odf implementor notes web page, how can this claim be true when these LO "features" break odf validation? > Somewhere in the wiki there is a list of the extended features, but > please remember that we are speaking of a document format and not of > software features. So, most of the new LibreOffice features do not > impact the document format. > If LO "feature" (most likely designed to provide some sort of "compatibility" with m$) prevent odf validation, the document format must be impacted. Or is this a false conclusion? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Clarification about ODF Extended
e-letter wrote: On 17/03/2014, Italo Vignoli wrote: Nothing happens when XML tags are ignored, to systems which are not supporting the ODF 1.2 Extended document format. This is the reason why we can suggest to use ODF 1.2 Extended as the preferred format, because backward compatibility is maintained. Thanks to the odf implementor notes web page, how can this claim be true when these LO "features" break odf validation? I haven't seen anything to say that the extensions prevent validation of ODF documents. The implementer notes you refer to say, under Extension namespaces, "Elements and attributes that are not defined in an ODF specification yet... have to be written with an extension namespace, otherwise validators will complain about invalid elements or attributes." This suggests that the standard and validators allow for extensions to the format. Presumably extensions to the format would be ignored by applications not supporting that extension, but the rest of the document show as intended. e.g. with the extension for font embedding, applications supporting the extension would use the embedded fonts, while others would ignore the embedded fonts and use those on the system (as if the fonts were not embedded at all). Somewhere in the wiki there is a list of the extended features, but please remember that we are speaking of a document format and not of software features. So, most of the new LibreOffice features do not impact the document format. If LO "feature" (most likely designed to provide some sort of "compatibility" with m$) prevent odf validation, the document format must be impacted. Or is this a false conclusion? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
