Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw problems
Hi Girvin, Le 09/05/2014 23:45, Girvin Herr a écrit : Then I tried using Draw in stand-alone mode (not as an embedded object) to export the figure as a jpeg or png file and inserting that file into the document. I changed the Draw page margins to the 2 by 7.5 figure in order to exclude all but the figure. However, these export functions only allow full page saves, not the small 2 high by 7.5 wide figure I need. When inserting the file into the document, I get a lot of white space and my figure is tiny. On this very problem, you'll notice that the export dialog has a Selection checkbox in the lower left part. To export a selected part of a drawing to some third-party format, which is what you're looking for, do: 1. Select the drawing (part) you're willing to export. If you want the whole drawing, then just Edit Select all (Ctrl + A) 2. Open the Export dialog and tick the Selection checkbox. And you're done! Your new image is now without any white space clutter. Note: the Selection checkbox doesn't retain its state. You'll have to check it again when exporting another drawing. HTH, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw problems
Regina, Thank you very much for your suggestions. They are very helpful, especially the suggestion to use the Selection box in the Draw export dialog. I have no idea why I have not noticed that option before. I tried it and it works. I will definitely put your suggestions in my Computer Notes document for future reference. Toward the end of your response, you describe a process to copy-paste a Draw figure into a Writer document. I have never tried that, but how does that differ from an OLE object? One thing I would expect is that changes to the figure would not be reflected in the target document, they would have to be copy-pasted again. To answer some of your other questions, 1. I do not use the latest LO version. I usually wait until x.x.5(+) is released and then stick with that stable version until the next release reaches x.y.5(+). That said, I do have version 4.1.5 in the wings, but I have yet to re-package it for Slackware Linux and I have not had a really good reason to upgrade from 3.6.7.2 yet. Eventually, I will try it. 2. Yes, my document is in Writer. 3. I have more than one reason to use the OLE object rather than inserting a file. First, is that the OLE process maintains my document in one file. When copying it, I don't have to remember to copy the figure files as well. Second, the figure version tracks the document version. By that, I mean that when I create a new document version, I still keep the old version(s) for historical reasons. If I use the external file insertion process, then when I change a figure for a new version, the back versions will also change. That is not what I need. Third, I do believe that when a figure file is inserted, the path to that file is maintained in the document. That is problematic if I change the directory structure, such as renaming a directory or copying the directory to another higher directory. Then that link will break. Using OLE prevents those negative effects. Fourth, is that the OLE object is easier to change while not going outside the Writer document to do other processes. Popping back and forth, is easy. However, there are problems with Draw OLE that have been around for a long time, at least as old as LO, if not OO. One is this rendering error. Another is that the OLE version of Draw has a subset of commands from the stand-alone version of Draw. One that comes to mind is Zoom. The stand-alone version of Draw supports Zoom, the OLE version does not for some reason. I do miss zoom while editing an OLE figure when I need to position a point at an exact location and it keeps jumping around when I move the mouse. Using Grid Snap should help this, but sometimes a point needs to be off-grid and then the lack of being able to zoom in to exactly position the point then zoom back out, is very frustrating. 4. No, I have not checked if this problem has a bug report. However, as I said, this problem has been around for years and I am surprised there wouldn't be a report by someone else in all that time. If there is one and it hasn't been fixed in all these years, then the devs must not think this bug is important. 5. In 1:1 scale, my objects vary in size, but they are around 2 high x 7 wide. 6. My Draw document is letter size by the look of it. However, in OLE mode, the size is whatever is defined by the Writer frame that contains the object. I usually drag the frames (object and Figure/caption) to the size I need to contain the figure. 7. The only reason I use jpeg or png files is that they seem to be widely supported and they render well with good resolution. If I have a choice, usually use jpeg for photos and png for graphics. I am not sure of the other formats and I have not done much experimenting. I do know that I stay away from EPS (Encapsulated PostScript) files like the plague. I once used EPS files for some figures and it brought LO to its knees. It took minutes to scroll to the end of the document. I would guess that the LO rendering engine for EPS is not very efficient. Once I discovered that the same figure in JPEG did not slow LO down (and the file was smaller), I began using jpeg and blacklisted EPS. Now, all this said, after I sent my original message, I had the need to print the figures and they printed just fine! So, it looks like the problem is with the LO video renderer, since the errors only show up in the document and in Print Preview, while the actual print looks fine. That makes this problem an annoying bug for me, but not a show-stopper as I implied in my message. Thanks again and take care. Girvin Herr On 05/09/2014 04:33 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Girvin, Girvin Herr schrieb: Greetings, I am using Linux LO 3.6.7.2. I see that Draw still has problems rendering drawings correctly as an embedded object. Any chance to
Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw problems
On 05/09/2014 11:25 PM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Hi Girvin, Le 09/05/2014 23:45, Girvin Herr a écrit : Then I tried using Draw in stand-alone mode (not as an embedded object) to export the figure as a jpeg or png file and inserting that file into the document. I changed the Draw page margins to the 2 by 7.5 figure in order to exclude all but the figure. However, these export functions only allow full page saves, not the small 2 high by 7.5 wide figure I need. When inserting the file into the document, I get a lot of white space and my figure is tiny. On this very problem, you'll notice that the export dialog has a Selection checkbox in the lower left part. To export a selected part of a drawing to some third-party format, which is what you're looking for, do: 1. Select the drawing (part) you're willing to export. If you want the whole drawing, then just Edit Select all (Ctrl + A) 2. Open the Export dialog and tick the Selection checkbox. And you're done! Your new image is now without any white space clutter. Note: the Selection checkbox doesn't retain its state. You'll have to check it again when exporting another drawing. HTH, Yes, it did. Thanks. Girvin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Draw problems
Greetings, I am using Linux LO 3.6.7.2. I see that Draw still has problems rendering drawings correctly as an embedded object. I am editing small graphics figures in my document using Draw. These figures contain a graphical outline of an item using lines, boxes and circles as well as other details such as text, dimension arrows and lines. These figures are inserted as objects in my document, along with the figure frame and title. The problem is that although the graphics look perfect while in Draw, when I click outside the embedded draw object to return to the document, parts of the figure are not rendered properly in relation to the other graphics in the figure, such as boxes and circles. For example, the lines, arrows and text of the dimensions are offset vertically about 3/8 (by the ruler) below the boxes, lines and circles of the item. That will not do. The horizontal relationship seems correct. The error is only in the vertical plane. I used the print preview to verify these rendering errors are going to be printed and they are. Then I tried using Draw in stand-alone mode (not as an embedded object) to export the figure as a jpeg or png file and inserting that file into the document. I changed the Draw page margins to the 2 by 7.5 figure in order to exclude all but the figure. However, these export functions only allow full page saves, not the small 2 high by 7.5 wide figure I need. When inserting the file into the document, I get a lot of white space and my figure is tiny. Changing the height and width parameters in the Draw export window has strange effects and does not alter the full page export. Also the export width and height values interact with each other and do not allow specific settings. That is a moot point, since they don't seem to work as expected anyway. It certainly looks like I cannot get what I reliably need from Draw. What I need to do should not be this difficult and frustrating. Worst case, I guess I could print the Draw figure, and use Xsane to scan and save the area I need to insert into my document. But that is silly and time consuming. Does anyone have a better solution? Thanks. Girvin Herr -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw problems
2014-05-09 23:45 GMT+02:00 Girvin Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net: I am using Linux LO 3.6.7.2. I see that Draw still has problems rendering drawings correctly as an embedded object. [...] Does anyone have a better solution? The first thing to try is to use a more up to date version. Current version is 4.2.4, and although there is no guarantee, there's a fair possibility that your issue is fixed, or at least mitigated. Even if it is not the case, filling a bug report against the latest version have more chance to see it fixed. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw problems
Hi Girvin, Girvin Herr schrieb: Greetings, I am using Linux LO 3.6.7.2. I see that Draw still has problems rendering drawings correctly as an embedded object. Any chance to use a more recent version? Many bugs have been fixed in the meantime. I am editing small graphics figures in my document using Draw. These figures contain a graphical outline of an item using lines, boxes and circles as well as other details such as text, dimension arrows and lines. Do you use Writer as target? These figures are inserted as objects in my document, along with the figure frame and title. Do you have a special reason for using an OLE object instead of the drawing format? Because of the hangling of rulers and page margins in OLE objects I find it more precise to use the drawing format. The problem is that although the graphics look perfect while in Draw, when I click outside the embedded draw object to return to the document, parts of the figure are not rendered properly in relation to the other graphics in the figure, such as boxes and circles. For example, the lines, arrows and text of the dimensions are offset vertically about 3/8 (by the ruler) below the boxes, lines and circles of the item. That will not do. Have you checked, whether there is a bug report about such problems? The horizontal relationship seems correct. The error is only in the vertical plane. I used the print preview to verify these rendering errors are going to be printed and they are. What is the size of the original draw document? How large is the target area? Do you draw in 1:1 scaling? Then I tried using Draw in stand-alone mode (not as an embedded object) to export the figure as a jpeg or png file That is the way I usually work. But why you are using raster graphic instead of vector graphic? and inserting that file into the document. I changed the Draw page margins to the 2 by 7.5 figure in order to exclude all but the figure. However, these export functions only allow full page saves, You can select the figure and check the option Selection in the export dialog. not the small 2 high by 7.5 wide figure I need. When inserting the file into the document, I get a lot of white space and my figure is tiny. You have to change the page size, not the margins, see (2) below. Changing the height and width parameters in the Draw export window has strange effects and does not alter the full page export. Also the export width and height values interact with each other and do not allow specific settings. That is a moot point, since they don't seem to work as expected anyway. Width and height are bound together to keep ratio and are not intended to crop the drawing. If you get a wrong widths after setting dpi, simply set it again. Sometimes the dialog does not refresh correctly. It certainly looks like I cannot get what I reliably need from Draw. You can, but not the way you try it. What I need to do should not be this difficult and frustrating. Worst case, I guess I could print the Draw figure, and use Xsane to scan and save the area I need to insert into my document. But that is silly and time consuming. Does anyone have a better solution? (1) Add a temporarily borderless, white-filled rectangle behind the figure, which is a little bit larger than the figure. The rectangle in background helps, that hairlines along the edges does not disappear. Then mark rectangle and figure together. In the export dialog check Selection. Set dpi suitable for printing (300 dpi) or screen (72-96 dpi). or (2) Define a new Draw document with a page size, which fits to your figure. Mark the figure, copy it to clipboard and paste it into the new document. Export the new drawing to .svg format or .wmf format, or in case of LibreOffice as target .svm format works as well. Insert it into the target document via Insert Picture. or (3) Group the figure and copy and paste that group into Writer as drawing format. or (4) Group the figure and drag it into the Gallery. In Writer open the Gallery and pull the figure from there. If you feel only printing would help, then do not print, but export to .pdf and use the capture feature of the pdf-reader. That works e.g. nice for charts in Calc in that old LibeOffice versions. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw problems
At 14:45 09/05/2014 -0700, Girvin Herr wrote: I am using Linux LO 3.6.7.2. I see that Draw still has problems rendering drawings correctly as an embedded object. I am editing small graphics figures in my document using Draw. These figures contain a graphical outline of an item using lines, boxes and circles as well as other details such as text, dimension arrows and lines. These figures are inserted as objects in my document, along with the figure frame and title. The problem is that although the graphics look perfect while in Draw, when I click outside the embedded draw object to return to the document, parts of the figure are not rendered properly in relation to the other graphics in the figure, such as boxes and circles. For example, the lines, arrows and text of the dimensions are offset vertically about 3/8 (by the ruler) below the boxes, lines and circles of the item. That will not do. The horizontal relationship seems correct. The error is only in the vertical plane. I used the print preview to verify these rendering errors are going to be printed and they are. Then I tried using Draw in stand-alone mode (not as an embedded object) to export the figure as a jpeg or png file and inserting that file into the document. I changed the Draw page margins to the 2 by 7.5 figure in order to exclude all but the figure. However, these export functions only allow full page saves, not the small 2 high by 7.5 wide figure I need. When inserting the file into the document, I get a lot of white space and my figure is tiny. Changing the height and width parameters in the Draw export window has strange effects and does not alter the full page export. Also the export width and height values interact with each other and do not allow specific settings. That is a moot point, since they don't seem to work as expected anyway. It certainly looks like I cannot get what I reliably need from Draw. What I need to do should not be this difficult and frustrating. Worst case, I guess I could print the Draw figure, and use Xsane to scan and save the area I need to insert into my document. But that is silly and time consuming. Does anyone have a better solution? You don't mention the type of your final document, but I'm guessing you mean a text (Writer) document. Depending on exactly what you need, there is an alternative technique which may or may not be useful. It is easier and better than printing and scanning, but with similar effect. o Create your drawing in Draw at the correct size, but without bothering about the page dimensions. o Select all the items in each drawing together and use Modify | Group to group them. o Right-click the group and go to Convert | To Bitmap. o Right-click the group and select Save as Picture... to save a copy of the group in a suitable format. o You can now insert that saved file into your text document. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
