Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
I have not received any response (that I know of) from the bug site regarding WordPro tabs. On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 18:50 +0100, John B wrote: > Dear Roland, Tom & Alex > > Wow! - I actually just received a reply (Below) from the bug site:- > there was me thinking all that was required was hidden extra code at the > top of every page "Am I a tabbed page or not?" if so "what is my name", > "do I belong to a group", "My tab is green" - simples > > I am not a programmer! > > But, I am more than delighted to get a response from such a source, even > though, not the hopeful one I would have wished for. > > Its a bit like:- If you need BOLD, just put it through the printer twice > > I guess Roland, from you comments you must have received a similar > response to your bug reports? > > So - Any Volunteers? > > Regards > > > John B > > > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38401 > > --- Comment #1 from Michael Meeks 2011-06-20 > 07:36:10 PDT --- > IMHO implementing the tab feature would take quite some work here, instead it > might be good to insert a set of links in the document at the top to allow > quick jumping to the various sections; > > But of course, this is all work. Lets see if some volunteer jumps in to do it > - > otherwise if you pay someone to do the work, you can have it done as you like > I > guess. > > > > > > - > > Le 20/06/11 01:40, Roland Hughes a écrit : > > Hi Roland, > > > > > It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later > > > and see what a word processor was supposed to be. > > > > Shame that such good functionality was left by the wayside by IBM...coz > it was damned handy !! > > Alex > > --- > > > On 17/06/2011 19:37, Roland Hughes wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was > > finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file > > specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things > > added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it > > has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate "sub > > documents" which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from > > the parent/enclosing document. Each "subdocument" has its own flags to > > support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. > > > > Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu > > item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the > > file specification. > > > > Between the above programming change and the tabbed document > > specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete > > support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document > > file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the > > major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market > > place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one > > little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for > > auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely > > portable. > > > > First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. > > Then we have to make documents 100% portable. > > Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: > > > >> Dear Roland > >> > >> My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of > >> having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads > >> each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the > >> only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do > >> I know!). > >> > >> Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this > >> should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a > >> bloat on. > >> > >> My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals > >> around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2] > >> > >> Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the > >> ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? > >> > >> Calling all bolt on programmers! > >> > >> regards > >> > >> John > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote: > >>> Dear John, > >>> > >>> uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening! > >>> > >>> Actually, the "they" I refer to is every other word processor on the > >>> face of the planet. > >>> > >>> I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Hi :) It is great to get an answer. It's only a first response so don't assume that is "written in stone". There are a lot of devs and a lot of work to be done so things are changing all the time in a good way :) Good first responses are usually give a quick work-around or indicate the level of complexity, or how long it might take, or to gather more information. Michael's initial response gives 2 work-arounds 1. using links to get the functionality fast. It's not the long-term answer. 2. Another option for corporates might be to get one of their programmers onto it, depending on urgency. You are not a corporate and not a programmer yourself so ignore this one. Regards from Tom :) From: John B To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 20 June, 2011 18:50:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs Dear Roland, Tom & Alex Wow! - I actually just received a reply (Below) from the bug site:- there was me thinking all that was required was hidden extra code at the top of every page "Am I a tabbed page or not?" if so "what is my name", "do I belong to a group", "My tab is green" - simples I am not a programmer! But, I am more than delighted to get a response from such a source, even though, not the hopeful one I would have wished for. Its a bit like:- If you need BOLD, just put it through the printer twice I guess Roland, from you comments you must have received a similar response to your bug reports? So - Any Volunteers? Regards John B >>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38401 --- Comment #1 from Michael Meeks 2011-06-20 07:36:10 PDT --- IMHO implementing the tab feature would take quite some work here, instead it might be good to insert a set of links in the document at the top to allow quick jumping to the various sections; But of course, this is all work. Lets see if some volunteer jumps in to do it - otherwise if you pay someone to do the work, you can have it done as you like I guess. >>>> - Le 20/06/11 01:40, Roland Hughes a écrit : Hi Roland, > > It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later > > and see what a word processor was supposed to be. > > Shame that such good functionality was left by the wayside by IBM...coz it was damned handy !! Alex --- On 17/06/2011 19:37, Roland Hughes wrote: > Dear John, > > It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was > finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file > specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things > added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it > has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate "sub > documents" which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from > the parent/enclosing document. Each "subdocument" has its own flags to > support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. > > Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu > item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the > file specification. > > Between the above programming change and the tabbed document > specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete > support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document > file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the > major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market > place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one > little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for > auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely > portable. > > First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. > Then we have to make documents 100% portable. > Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. > > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: > >> Dear Roland >> >> My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of >> having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads >> each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the >> only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do >> I know!). >> >> Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this >> should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a >> b
[libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear Roland, Tom & Alex Wow! - I actually just received a reply (Below) from the bug site:- there was me thinking all that was required was hidden extra code at the top of every page "Am I a tabbed page or not?" if so "what is my name", "do I belong to a group", "My tab is green" - simples I am not a programmer! But, I am more than delighted to get a response from such a source, even though, not the hopeful one I would have wished for. Its a bit like:- If you need BOLD, just put it through the printer twice I guess Roland, from you comments you must have received a similar response to your bug reports? So - Any Volunteers? Regards John B https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38401 --- Comment #1 from Michael Meeks 2011-06-20 07:36:10 PDT --- IMHO implementing the tab feature would take quite some work here, instead it might be good to insert a set of links in the document at the top to allow quick jumping to the various sections; But of course, this is all work. Lets see if some volunteer jumps in to do it - otherwise if you pay someone to do the work, you can have it done as you like I guess. - Le 20/06/11 01:40, Roland Hughes a écrit : Hi Roland, > It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later > and see what a word processor was supposed to be. > Shame that such good functionality was left by the wayside by IBM...coz it was damned handy !! Alex --- On 17/06/2011 19:37, Roland Hughes wrote: Dear John, It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate "sub documents" which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from the parent/enclosing document. Each "subdocument" has its own flags to support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the file specification. Between the above programming change and the tabbed document specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely portable. First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. Then we have to make documents 100% portable. Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: Dear Roland My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do I know!). Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a bloat on. My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2] Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? Calling all bolt on programmers! regards John -- On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote: Dear John, uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening! Actually, the "they" I refer to is every other word processor on the face of the planet. I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the next OS/machine upgrade. On Fri, 2011
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear John, It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate "sub documents" which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from the parent/enclosing document. Each "subdocument" has its own flags to support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the file specification. Between the above programming change and the tabbed document specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely portable. First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. Then we have to make documents 100% portable. Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: > Dear Roland > > My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of > having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads > each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the > only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do > I know!). > > Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this > should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a > bloat on. > > My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals > around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2] > > Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the > ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? > > Calling all bolt on programmers! > > regards > > John > > -- > > > > On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening! > > > > Actually, the "they" I refer to is every other word processor on the > > face of the planet. > > > > I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control > > architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing > > project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and > > clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and > > put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which > > didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. > > > > I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. > > I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work > > for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the > > next OS/machine upgrade. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote: > > > >> Dear Roland > >> > >> It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on "Cold Guinness" where the barman > >> says "your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for > >> Cold Guinness". > >> > >> I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 > >> files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside > >> were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought "of > >> course", it was like a Eureka moment. > >> > >> Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 > >> months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a > >> client called "Fred Bloggs" you don't have to think up new file names > >> each time you send a new letter such a > >> "fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office". > >> > >> I am assuming the "they" you refer to, is IBM > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> John B > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: > >>> If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs > >>> on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement > >>> WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken approach of > >>> having each document as a tab. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: > >>> > Tom > > Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know > if I get a response. >
[libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear Roland My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do I know!). Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a bloat on. My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2] Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? Calling all bolt on programmers! regards John -- On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote: Dear John, uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening! Actually, the "they" I refer to is every other word processor on the face of the planet. I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the next OS/machine upgrade. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote: Dear Roland It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on "Cold Guinness" where the barman says "your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for Cold Guinness". I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought "of course", it was like a Eureka moment. Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a client called "Fred Bloggs" you don't have to think up new file names each time you send a new letter such a "fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office". I am assuming the "they" you refer to, is IBM thanks John B -- On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit "not compatible", OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. >>> [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the "+" means that it is a "group tab" and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this "+1990's"> "+19
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear John, uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening! Actually, the "they" I refer to is every other word processor on the face of the planet. I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the next OS/machine upgrade. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote: > Dear Roland > > It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on "Cold Guinness" where the barman > says "your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for > Cold Guinness". > > I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 > files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside > were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought "of > course", it was like a Eureka moment. > > Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 > months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a > client called "Fred Bloggs" you don't have to think up new file names > each time you send a new letter such a > "fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office". > > I am assuming the "they" you refer to, is IBM > > thanks > > John B > > -- > > > On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: > > If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs > > on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement > > WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead > > Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: > > > >> Tom > >> > >> Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know > >> if I get a response. > >> > >> I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the > >> most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned > >> its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit "not > >> compatible", OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge > >> in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting > >> is a bit hit and miss. > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> [wish-list] > >> > >> /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use > >> Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because > >> of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is > >> where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. > >> > >> Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and > >> IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. > >> > >> At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab > >> documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. > >> > >> One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). > >> > >> The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the > >> documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, > >> +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the > >> group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years > >> correspondence or headings or whatever etc). > >> > >> Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 > >> is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the > >> whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date > >> massively improves. > >> > >> I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the "+" means that > >> it is a "group tab" and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more > >> inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle > >> multi documents. > >> > >> I have group tabs that go like this "+1990's"> "+1991"> "Contracts"> > >> (then a single tab "12/03/91" > >> > >> Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it > >> as a separate item. You can copy& paste, insert, you can move a tab, > >> (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. > >> > >> The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 > >> - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an > >> unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. > >> > >> Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time > >> becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) > >> > >> I would have thought that th
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear Roland It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on "Cold Guinness" where the barman says "your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for Cold Guinness". I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought "of course", it was like a Eureka moment. Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a client called "Fred Bloggs" you don't have to think up new file names each time you send a new letter such a "fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office". I am assuming the "they" you refer to, is IBM thanks John B -- On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit "not compatible", OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. >>> [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the "+" means that it is a "group tab" and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this "+1990's"> "+1991"> "Contracts"> (then a single tab "12/03/91" Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it as a separate item. You can copy& paste, insert, you can move a tab, (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. Please consider this Thank you John Brassington / -- On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This guide might help? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport I think i would post as a normal bug but put "" at the start of the subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) Regards from Tom :) From: John B To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? John B -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/369
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: > Tom > > Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know > if I get a response. > > I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the > most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned > its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit "not > compatible", OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge > in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting > is a bit hit and miss. > > >>> > > [wish-list] > > /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use > Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because > of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is > where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. > > Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and > IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. > > At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab > documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. > > One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). > > The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the > documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, > +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the > group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years > correspondence or headings or whatever etc). > > Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 > is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the > whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date > massively improves. > > I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the "+" means that > it is a "group tab" and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more > inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle > multi documents. > > I have group tabs that go like this "+1990's" > "+1991" > "Contracts" > > (then a single tab "12/03/91" > > Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it > as a separate item. You can copy & paste, insert, you can move a tab, > (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. > > The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 > - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an > unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. > > Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time > becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) > > I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. > Please consider this > > Thank you > > John Brassington > / > -- > > > On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: > > Hi :) > > This guide might help? > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport > > > > I think i would post as a normal bug but put "" at the start of the > > subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: John B > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > > Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 > > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? > > > > > > Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? > > > > John B > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org > > In case of problems unsubscribing, write to > > postmas...@documentfoundation.org > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: 06/09/11 > > 19:34:00 > > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org > In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reser
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit "not compatible", OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. >>> [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the "+" means that it is a "group tab" and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this "+1990's" > "+1991" > "Contracts" > (then a single tab "12/03/91" Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it as a separate item. You can copy & paste, insert, you can move a tab, (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. Please consider this Thank you John Brassington / -- On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This guide might help? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport I think i would post as a normal bug but put "" at the start of the subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) Regards from Tom :) From: John B To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? John B -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: 06/09/11 19:34:00 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
