[libreoffice-users] Installing Win7

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I'm just installing Win7 to a machine that already had WinXp working 
sort-of-fine-ish.  One of the early screens said the process would involve 
rebooting itself several times and i should ignore it and let it get on with 
it.  


Then it gave me a few choices which i had to click on.  I think i had to fill 
in something too.  (ie so i couldn't just ignore it).  When it rebooted the 
cd/dvd stayed in the drive.  Should i press "Any" key to get back to the 
installer or not.  I chose to do so.  Opps, wrong.  Stupid user aren't i?  I 
should have known that it kept the Cd/Dvd in the drive in order to not use it.  
Ooops, now it has told me to let it reboot again and ignore it.  Next screen 
needs me to fill in something.  I begin to see a pattern forming here.  It asks 
for a user-name and decides i probably want to call the machine the same thing. 
 The next key seemed a bit sticky.  Suddenly i am passed the passwords screen 
without having set a password.  No "Back" button.  


It's taken half an hour which is not bad.  It's about the same as Ubuntu on the 
same machine.  


First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the 
non-Admin local user.  2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the 
normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server.  The 
installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but i'm not 
sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself.  It's just put me 
on a new workgroup called "WORKGROUP" because they have to shout.  


When i get to type in a domain it's already guessed i must want the domain to 
have the same name as my laptop.  Guess i should go around and change all the 
other machines to that instead of using the existing one.  


If i want a different domain name i have to guess it or already know it.  There 
is no browsing to search for it.  i can't be nearly right and let it give me 
the rest.  I have to be spot on.  It asks for a user&pass for the domain and 
then gives a pop-up with a warning triangle to tell me i guessed right.  It 
asks if i want to use the right guess or try again.  Now it asks if i want to 
add a domain user to the local machine.  'Obviously' i made a mistake so i 
cancel and find the mistake i made was clicking the button "Network ID" instead 
of the button "Change".  Now it does guess the correct domain.  Was that 
because i typed it in the other box or did it really find out?  Still no browse 
button so if the guess was wrong i would have to know.  Oh, the "Ok" button is 
greyed out.  So although the text besides the "Ok" button said i could change 
the domain this way it doesn't use that way to confirm.  Going back to the 
"Network ID" button that
 looked dodgy before i have to type the user&pass and domain name twice in 2 
different boxes and domain can only be in capital letters despite the domain 
name appearing everywhere else in a mix of upper and lower-case.  If i do add a 
"domain user" at this point then allegedly they have full access to all the 
files, folders and programs anywhere on the network.  I guess this is the new 
improved security.  Now i am back at the "System Properties" box and "Apply" is 
greyed out so is it going to forget what i filled in like it would for changing 
the Virtual Memory?  


Now starts my endless cycle of updates&reboots.  Oh, and i have to install tons 
of programs rather than being given nice safe 3rd party ones that i could use 
straight-away or swap out for my preferred ones.  These updates&reboots don't 
make any effort to update drivers, codecs, libraries or other programs.  It's 
just about the core OS.  Later i will go to MS.com and find several critical 
security updates that weren't included in the auto-updates


When setting the Virtual Memory it told me there were 2 other hard-drives in 
this laptop.  Of course using a separate physical hard-drive might be quite a 
boost to performance if Virtual Memory ever gets used and reduces wear&tear.  
Saves the read/write head bouncing between so many different areas of the 
hard-drive.  Just in time i remember it's talking about separate partitions on 
the same physical hard-drive.  They just call them hard-drives because they 
think users are too dumb to understand the difference and need to be saved from 
all this complexity.  



I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing any 
Gnu&Linux distro.  It's as though they had never actually tried either to 
compare&contrast.  


Regards from 

Tom :)  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing Win7

2013-08-07 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 06:35:48PM +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I'm just installing Win7 to a machine that already had WinXp working 
> sort-of-fine-ish.  One of the early screens said the process would involve 
> rebooting itself several times and i should ignore it and let it get on with 
> it.  
> 
> 
> Then it gave me a few choices which i had to click on.  I think i had to fill 
> in something too.  (ie so i couldn't just ignore it).  When it rebooted the 
> cd/dvd stayed in the drive.  Should i press "Any" key to get back to the 
> installer or not.  I chose to do so.  Opps, wrong.  Stupid user aren't i?  I 
> should have known that it kept the Cd/Dvd in the drive in order to not use 
> it.  Ooops, now it has told me to let it reboot again and ignore it.  Next 
> screen needs me to fill in something.  I begin to see a pattern forming here. 
>  It asks for a user-name and decides i probably want to call the machine the 
> same thing.  The next key seemed a bit sticky.  Suddenly i am passed the 
> passwords screen without having set a password.  No "Back" button.  
> 
> 
> It's taken half an hour which is not bad.  It's about the same as Ubuntu on 
> the same machine.  
> 
> 
> First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the 
> non-Admin local user.  2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all 
> the normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server. 
>  The installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but 
> i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself.  It's 
> just put me on a new workgroup called "WORKGROUP" because they have to shout. 
>  
> 
> 
> When i get to type in a domain it's already guessed i must want the domain to 
> have the same name as my laptop.  Guess i should go around and change all the 
> other machines to that instead of using the existing one.  
> 
> 
> If i want a different domain name i have to guess it or already know it.  
> There is no browsing to search for it.  i can't be nearly right and let it 
> give me the rest.  I have to be spot on.  It asks for a user&pass for the 
> domain and then gives a pop-up with a warning triangle to tell me i guessed 
> right.  It asks if i want to use the right guess or try again.  Now it asks 
> if i want to add a domain user to the local machine.  'Obviously' i made a 
> mistake so i cancel and find the mistake i made was clicking the button 
> "Network ID" instead of the button "Change".  Now it does guess the correct 
> domain.  Was that because i typed it in the other box or did it really find 
> out?  Still no browse button so if the guess was wrong i would have to know.  
> Oh, the "Ok" button is greyed out.  So although the text besides the "Ok" 
> button said i could change the domain this way it doesn't use that way to 
> confirm.  Going back to the "Network ID" button that
>  looked dodgy before i have to type the user&pass and domain name twice in 2 
> different boxes and domain can only be in capital letters despite the domain 
> name appearing everywhere else in a mix of upper and lower-case.  If i do add 
> a "domain user" at this point then allegedly they have full access to all the 
> files, folders and programs anywhere on the network.  I guess this is the new 
> improved security.  Now i am back at the "System Properties" box and "Apply" 
> is greyed out so is it going to forget what i filled in like it would for 
> changing the Virtual Memory?  
> 
> 
> Now starts my endless cycle of updates&reboots.  Oh, and i have to install 
> tons of programs rather than being given nice safe 3rd party ones that i 
> could use straight-away or swap out for my preferred ones.  These 
> updates&reboots don't make any effort to update drivers, codecs, libraries or 
> other programs.  It's just about the core OS.  Later i will go to MS.com and 
> find several critical security updates that weren't included in the 
> auto-updates
> 
> 
> When setting the Virtual Memory it told me there were 2 other hard-drives in 
> this laptop.  Of course using a separate physical hard-drive might be quite a 
> boost to performance if Virtual Memory ever gets used and reduces wear&tear.  
> Saves the read/write head bouncing between so many different areas of the 
> hard-drive.  Just in time i remember it's talking about separate partitions 
> on the same physical hard-drive.  They just call them hard-drives because 
> they think users are too dumb to understand the difference and need to be 
> saved from all this complexity.  
> 
> 
> 
> I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing 
> any Gnu&Linux distro.  It's as though they had never actually tried either to 
> compare&contrast.  

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