Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
Cley wrote: They are tools. Power users of each tools will find that they are on the "better" side. Some peoples feel that latex, with all the commands everywhere is too >complicated, but when you learn a bit about it it's ok. Same for LibreOffice; there's properties dialog everywhere, multiple levels of styles, and not-always intuitive page management, but when you learn a bit about it it's ok. And in both case, doing anything that's more advanced will require more learning. Setting up the "best" template for your work can be tedious with any tools, LO and latex included. But writing a ~100 lines latex class file to match an (imposed) template is as tedious as setting the correct chain of styles in LO... Regarding the "greater control" statement, it's the same. You can have a lot of control in both, but it's gonna be some work. But I'll concede, one of latex advantages is that it have sensible default settings for various usages :) Excellent summary, and I fully agree. In terms of ease of use, I find that with a program like LO, I can (usually) figure something out by navigating the menus. With LaTeX, I'm performing Google searches to find out the proper syntax to use in preamble commands. I think my LaTeX distribution came with some 1200 document files explaining the various packages etc. If I recall correctly, the documentation for the Microtype package is over 200 letter size pages. The FancyHdr documentation is equally daunting, but necessary to read if you want to customize your headers and footers. With LO, just put the cursor in the footer and type what you want. The wysiwyg interface does make things easier. And, then there's all those surprises on compilation. I recently did a document with several references to dollar figures. The program reminded me that I had to put a "\" in front of every dollar sign "$" because LaTeX translates dollar signs into a special code. With LO, I don't have to worry about those things. All that said, I do truly love LaTeX. I enjoy working with pure text files (very little risk of file corruption) and that final output just can't be beat. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
2014-02-13 23:55 GMT+01:00 e-letter : > > OK, fair enough but as a latex user, was amazed to read a claim that > LO provides greater control! :) > They are tools. Power users of each tools will find that they are on the "better" side. Some peoples feel that latex, with all the commands everywhere is too complicated, but when you learn a bit about it it's ok. Same for LibreOffice; there's properties dialog everywhere, multiple levels of styles, and not-always intuitive page management, but when you learn a bit about it it's ok. And in both case, doing anything that's more advanced will require more learning. Setting up the "best" template for your work can be tedious with any tools, LO and latex included. But writing a ~100 lines latex class file to match an (imposed) template is as tedious as setting the correct chain of styles in LO... Regarding the "greater control" statement, it's the same. You can have a lot of control in both, but it's gonna be some work. But I'll concede, one of latex advantages is that it have sensible default settings for various usages :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
TeX (and LaTeX) is one of those things I was always "gunna" learn to use. More power to you. -- Peter West "What comes out of a man is what defiles him." On 14/02/2014 8:55 am, e-letter wrote: OK, fair enough but as a latex user, was amazed to read a claim that LO provides greater control! :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
On 13/02/2014, Virgil Arrington wrote: > e-letter wrote, > >>What control is lost in latex? > > Fair question, and I probably should have worded it better. Yes, with LaTeX, > > you can control everything, but (at least in my experience) the learning > curve to gain that control can be daunting. The GUI of LyX makes things > easier, but even then, if you want total control, you're mixing in raw TeX > commands with options selected from a menu, all the while throwing in a long > > list of preamble commands, all of which can take a long time to learn. The > point and click options in LO make things *so* much more accessible. Of > course, I'll be the first to admit that LO can't match the professional > final output of LaTeX, (especially with LaTeX's OSF font options and the > Microtype justification package), but it's getting closer, and certainly > acceptable for my purposes. > > So, to make matters easier, when using LaTeX, I try to stick with the its > default formatting, which results in a (voluntary) loss of control. > OK, fair enough but as a latex user, was amazed to read a claim that LO provides greater control! :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
e-letter wrote, What control is lost in latex? Fair question, and I probably should have worded it better. Yes, with LaTeX, you can control everything, but (at least in my experience) the learning curve to gain that control can be daunting. The GUI of LyX makes things easier, but even then, if you want total control, you're mixing in raw TeX commands with options selected from a menu, all the while throwing in a long list of preamble commands, all of which can take a long time to learn. The point and click options in LO make things *so* much more accessible. Of course, I'll be the first to admit that LO can't match the professional final output of LaTeX, (especially with LaTeX's OSF font options and the Microtype justification package), but it's getting closer, and certainly acceptable for my purposes. So, to make matters easier, when using LaTeX, I try to stick with the its default formatting, which results in a (voluntary) loss of control. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
On 13/02/2014, Virgil Arrington wrote: > > Ahh, control. That's one of the reasons I like LO; it gives me control over > > *everything*. By comparison, when I've used LaTeX, I've been overcome by the > Not convinced. > beautiful results, but the trade-off is that I lose control. > What control is lost in latex? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
Tom wrote: I didn't know they could go that extreme and usually try to switch-off the relative font-sizes because the idea freaks me out. It feels like everything goes outside of my direct control! Ahh, control. That's one of the reasons I like LO; it gives me control over *everything*. By comparison, when I've used LaTeX, I've been overcome by the beautiful results, but the trade-off is that I lose control. But, one of the things I've always liked about LaTeX is that, by changing one parameter, like the base font size, everything else automatically changes (heading sizes, page margins, ... everything). I was thrilled to find out I had a similar ability with LO's relative font size controls. Just another way styles provide even *more* control with fewer steps. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
Hi :) Styles rock!!! :)) I didn't know they could go that extreme and usually try to switch-off the relative font-sizes because the idea freaks me out. It feels like everything goes outside of my direct control! However that means i would have to adjust each heading-level individually which now seems really dumb. If i have a case where i don't like the headings i could just re-adjust just the one rather than always having to do them all! lqtm. I feel i've been being a bit of a moron tbh Regards from Tom :) On 13 February 2014 00:32, Virgil Arrington wrote: > I just thought I'd share a neat feature I recently discovered in Writer. > > The ability to set font sizes in styles as a percentage of the font size of a > base style. > > For example, I often set documents in an 11 point font such as Palatino. My > headings are then at 14 or 16 points. But, if I decide to switch to Times New > Roman, I'll increase my base font to 12 points. Then I have to go into my > heading styles and increase them accordingly. But... > > I've learned I can set my heading styles as a percentage of my base style. In > the font size dialog box, rather than setting it at 14 points, I'll set it at > 125%. Then, whenever I change the size of my base font, my heading styles > automatically change based on the percentage. This technique saves a lot of > effort when changing font sizes in a document. > > The key is to know what style is used as the base style for the heading > styles. > > Virgil > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Neat Writer Feature -- Relative Font Sizes
I just thought I’d share a neat feature I recently discovered in Writer. The ability to set font sizes in styles as a percentage of the font size of a base style. For example, I often set documents in an 11 point font such as Palatino. My headings are then at 14 or 16 points. But, if I decide to switch to Times New Roman, I’ll increase my base font to 12 points. Then I have to go into my heading styles and increase them accordingly. But... I’ve learned I can set my heading styles as a percentage of my base style. In the font size dialog box, rather than setting it at 14 points, I’ll set it at 125%. Then, whenever I change the size of my base font, my heading styles automatically change based on the percentage. This technique saves a lot of effort when changing font sizes in a document. The key is to know what style is used as the base style for the heading styles. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
