Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
On 31 May 2011 02:39, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Can I port over the OO user profile info to LO? In your case, it is enough to move/copy this file user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Accelerators.xcu so smthing as user/registry/data/org/libreoffice/Office/. Many thanks, Cor. Problem solved. I'll be back, no doubt. g ### -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Many thanks, Cor. Can I port over the OO user profile info to LO? If so, can you give me a hint concerning where to begin? ### On 30 May 2011 12:40, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Alex, Alex Mavro wrote (30-05-11 02:17) Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Well, the key bindings are not saved in the .ott, but in the user profile. So I guess you have to set up those for LibreOffice via Tools Customize ... Regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Hi :) I think that if you are using GnuLinux then you might be able to set your keyboard short-cuts to use the WordStar navigation commands to work in all relevant applications. It might be difficult to change the use of CtrlX tho. As Planas points out it does depend on what those key combinations were/are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar There is a word-processor, released under GPL, that uses the same key combinations as WordStar but it seems to work inside a command window. Also although it works in GnuLinux and Bsd it needs something like Cygwin to run in Windows. There is even a program that works with it that swaps the shift and Ctrl keys around so that the keyboard works the way older keyboards used to. It hasn't had any upgrades or even updates in the last few years but it does seem to have taken the key combinations a bit further than WordStar. Apparently it's possible to have a ribbon showing key-combinations just as WordStar used to. So it's got a lot in common with Vi but it uses WordStar combinations rather than Vi ones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe%27s_Own_Editor http://joe-editor.sourceforge.net/ The SourceForge page is not a downloads page, it's Joe's home page. For other people following this thread the key combinations according to the Wikipedia page ... For example, the diamond of Ctrl-S/E/D/X moved the cursors one character or line to the left, up, right, or down. Ctrl-A/F (to the outside of the diamond) moved the cursor a full word left/right, and Ctrl-R/C (just past the Ctrl keys for up and down) scrolled a full page up/down. Prefacing these keystrokes with Ctrl-Q generally expanded their action, moving the cursor to the end/beginning of the line, end/beginning of the document, etc. Ctrl-H would backspace and delete. Commands to enable bold or italics, printing, blocking text to copy or delete, saving or retrieving files from disk, etc. were typically a short sequence of keystrokes, such as Ctrl-P-B for bold, or Ctrl-K-S to save a file. Formatting codes would appear on screen, such as ^B for bold, ^Y for italics, and ^S for underscoring. So i suspect there might be trouble with trying to redefine Ctrl X and Ctrl S from their usual functions although i'm not clear about that. There is another thread dealing with that issue at the moment. Although many of these keystroke sequences were far from self-evident, they tended to lend themselves to mnemonic devices (e.g., Ctrl-Print-Bold, Ctrl-blocK-Save), and regular users quickly learned them through muscle memory, enabling them to rapidly navigate documents by touch, rather than memorizing Ctrl-S = cursor left.Some users believe that the relocation of the Ctrl key from the position just to the left of the A key on the PC XT-era keyboard (where Caps-Lock is found on modern keyboards), to the far lower left, interferes with this tactile approach, It might be worth contacting Joe's developers and original creator to see if they are interested in working with LibreOffice devs. It might also be interesting to explore contactingHoughton Mifflin Harcourt Learning Technology originally started as Riverdeep Interactive Learning as they bought WordStar but don't appear to have done anything with it. (reminiscent of Oracle so take care) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton_Mifflin_Harcourt_Learning_Technology Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 30 May, 2011 5:22:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization Alex On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 07:17 +0700, Alex Mavro wrote: Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Alex in Bangkok I am not sure, I would need to see some typical commands/key combinations. I am not very familiar with WordStar, I understand it is abandonware. I vaguely remember it from about 20 years ago but never used it. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Hi :) Sorry i have lost track of this thread. Which Operating System are you using; Windows, Ubuntu, another gnulinux, a Bsd or Mac? The LO profiles in gnulinux (such as Ubuntu, Fedora etc) are in /home/user/.libreoffice/3/user and for OpenOffice they are in /home/user/.openoffice.org/3/user I suspect replace user (both times) with your normal user-name. It's generally probably better to use the rsync command rather than dragdrop or copypaste or 'sudo cp' on the command-line because rsync keeps permissions intact and cp didn't used to (it might now). However i think Cor was pointing towards a cleverer, more elegant approach (as usual) Regards from Tom :) From: Alex Mavro alma...@siv-asia.org To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 30 May, 2011 6:45:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization Many thanks, Cor. Can I port over the OO user profile info to LO? If so, can you give me a hint concerning where to begin? ### On 30 May 2011 12:40, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Alex, Alex Mavro wrote (30-05-11 02:17) Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Well, the key bindings are not saved in the .ott, but in the user profile. So I guess you have to set up those for LibreOffice via Tools Customize ... Regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Alex Mavro wrote (30-05-11 07:45) Many thanks, Cor. Can I port over the OO user profile info to LO? If so, can you give me a hint concerning where to begin? In your case, it is enough to move/copy this file user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Accelerators.xcu so smthing as user/registry/data/org/libreoffice/Office/. Of course you may do the whole user profile, but with different versions (pre and post 3.3) extra options in LibreOffice, I would not trust that. Best, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Alex in Bangkok -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Alex On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 07:17 +0700, Alex Mavro wrote: Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Alex in Bangkok I am not sure, I would need to see some typical commands/key combinations. I am not very familiar with WordStar, I understand it is abandonware. I vaguely remember it from about 20 years ago but never used it. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
That will be interesting. I'd love to see a list of the WordStar keyboard commands. I remember using WordStar and also their text Editor (TextStar , I think) but it has been a long time -- around 30 years), both on CP/M-80. WordStar 2000 on MS-DOS was not so hot and I turned my back on it. (My next favorite was Borland Sprint, based on a word processor from the UK, I believe.) Now, the way these things works the various control-key combinations that started out in WordStar tended to find their way into later products, even though WordStar itself is long gone. There is an interesting account of this in Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordstar#Interface. It mentions that the Turbo Pascal IDE (on a text interface) used the WordStar diamond, and I believe the Microsoft Editor, ME, designed for developers (and that I favored for a long time) also supported some of the Word Star keyboard command sequences. - Dennis -Original Message- From: planas [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 21:22 To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization Alex On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 07:17 +0700, Alex Mavro wrote: Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Alex in Bangkok I am not sure, I would need to see some typical commands/key combinations. I am not very familiar with WordStar, I understand it is abandonware. I vaguely remember it from about 20 years ago but never used it. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Thanks, Dennis. I've attached both a list of all the WS commands and the .ott that supports a small but important sub-set of them. Unfortunately, like I said, the .ott works in OO but not in LO... or I am doing something wrong, perhaps? Wordstar came packaged with my Kaypro II, the then cutting-edge luggable that earned its keep with me for almost ten years beginning in the mid- to late-70s... or was it, early 80s? Anyhow, in some respects its capabilities -- most especially the virtually unknown WS for Windows, which was more a DTP program than an editor -- have still never been equaled. All I'm trying to arrange in LO are a few of the navigating/editing commands that I've painstakingly preserved over the past several years working with OO in the attached .ott file. As some will realize, keyboard tweaking of OO/LO is a major pain, since the editing/navigating commands are not organized in anything like rational order. For example, why aren't cursor up, cursor down, cursor left, and cursor right juxtaposed, in the listing? And the word movement equivalents: word left and word right -- why aren't they there, too, along with page up, para up, etc. As it is now, you have to fish all over the place to find the key assignments you want. Again, my thanks for the interest in helping. ### On 30 May 2011 12:06, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: That will be interesting. I'd love to see a list of the WordStar keyboard commands. I remember using WordStar and also their text Editor (TextStar , I think) but it has been a long time -- around 30 years), both on CP/M-80. WordStar 2000 on MS-DOS was not so hot and I turned my back on it. (My next favorite was Borland Sprint, based on a word processor from the UK, I believe.) Now, the way these things works the various control-key combinations that started out in WordStar tended to find their way into later products, even though WordStar itself is long gone. There is an interesting account of this in Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordstar#Interface. It mentions that the Turbo Pascal IDE (on a text interface) used the WordStar diamond, and I believe the Microsoft Editor, ME, designed for developers (and that I favored for a long time) also supported some of the Word Star keyboard command sequences. - Dennis -Original Message- From: planas [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 21:22 To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization Alex On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 07:17 +0700, Alex Mavro wrote: Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Alex in Bangkok I am not sure, I would need to see some typical commands/key combinations. I am not very familiar with WordStar, I understand it is abandonware. I vaguely remember it from about 20 years ago but never used it. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OTT keyboard customization
Hi Alex, Alex Mavro wrote (30-05-11 02:17) Greetings -- I have a ws.ott template file that allows me to use most WordStar navigation commands -- the cursor diamond, etc -- in Open Office. However, the same file does not work in LibreOffice... Is there any reason for this? Well, the key bindings are not saved in the .ott, but in the user profile. So I guess you have to set up those for LibreOffice via Tools Customize ... Regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
