Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-31 Thread Carlo Strata

Hi Charles and all Others,

may be you are opening an originally called "hybrid PDF"?

These ones are PDF that includes original source document in the PDF 
"attachments" (that may be of various types... see the link below)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format#Technical_overview

In this case if your pdf opens in Writer, as you told us, it may be the 
pdf contains an *odt* as attachment (from which the following Writer 
association...).


I think you can verify if this is true by inspecting the file with some 
tools like Ghostscript (dump* command), pdftk, ...

and see the attachments/streams/...

Finally you can create your own "hybrid PDF" checking the box "Embed 
OpenDocument file"

https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Export_as_PDF

Hope this help.

Happy new year,

Carlo

p.s. I think it will be helpful if we decide to give a name to this kind 
of PDFs and, once more, to standardize them (Oasis-Open, for example).


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Il 31/12/2014 12:46, Peter Hillier-Brook ha scritto:

Happy New Year



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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-31 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
 See the title barOn 31/12/14 01:56, anne-ology wrote:
>would you please explain how you're able to open these PDFs so.
> 
> 
> 
> From: charles meyer 
> Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open
> Office
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> 
> 
> I've discovered, at least with my new Libre Office 4.3.5.2, that I can
> open a PDF or .jpg in Writer and not have to open Draw.

No you can't! You may start in Writer, but when you open a PDF file you
should observe a switch to Draw. See the title bar to confirm.

> I can also insert images (from file) into these respective documents
> and then print them to a PDF, if desired, or save as .odt, MS Word,
> etc.

I would be very surprised if you are able to save as anything other than
a Draw document (.odg), or Draw template. Of course you will be able to
*print* as a PDF after editing.

Happy New Year


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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-30 Thread anne-ology
   would you please explain how you're able to open these PDFs so.



From: charles meyer 
Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open
Office
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


I've discovered, at least with my new Libre Office 4.3.5.2, that I can
open a PDF or .jpg in Writer and not have to open Draw.

I can also insert images (from file) into these respective documents
and then print them to a PDF, if desired, or save as .odt, MS Word,
etc.

This was a pleasure to discover and helps enormously.

I hope it's helpful to others as well.

Happy New Year!

Charles.

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[libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-30 Thread charles meyer
I've discovered, at least with my new Libre Office 4.3.5.2, that I can
open a PDF or .jpg in Writer and not have to open Draw.

I can also insert images (from file) into these respective documents
and then print them to a PDF, if desired, or save as .odt, MS Word,
etc.

This was a pleasure to discover and helps enormously.

I hope it's helpful to others as well.

Happy New Year!

Charles.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-29 Thread Cley Faye
​About removing blank pages, there are tools for that :)

The other things, anything involving elements position, is trying to fight
against the format and will always rely on black magic.​ Remember that
while word processing software sees paragraph, a PDF sees only symbols
placed on a page. Sometime these symbols are whole sentence, sometime
single letters with no relation to others beside behing relatively close to
each others.

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2014-12-29 19:34 GMT+01:00 anne-ology :

>oops ... nuts ... ... ...  ;-)
>
>When I responded to his message, I was hoping there might now be a
> good program which would eliminate all the gobbledegook which happens
> through this method;
>will there ever be a program which will allow for editing these
> inane PDF files without messing up the original intent???
>one which would allow the simple deletion of those excessive blank
> pages ...
>the ability to fix the margins allowing for less wasted space
> ...
>   the ability to eliminate the extraneous lines which criss-cross
> throughout the document ... ... ...
>
>
>
> From: Jean-Baptiste Faure 
> Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or
> Open Office
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Cc: reachmepl...@gmail.com
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Le 27/12/2014 19:36, charles meyer a écrit :
> > [...]
> > I was reading there is an extension you can download for Open Office
> > which allows you to import a PDF file and then edit that PDF file.
>
>
>
> This extension is part of the default installation of LibreOffice. You
> only have to try to open your pdf file from the File > open menu of
> LibreOffice to open the file in the Draw module
>
> Best regards.
> JBF
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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-29 Thread anne-ology
   is there hope that these 'pixel' issues will be corrected in the
near future  ;-)



From: Cley Faye 
Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or
Open Office
To:
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 


A recent installation of LibreOffice is able to open almost any PDF through
the Draw module. From there, it is possible to redo the placement and
extract part of the file.

Note that it won't open in Writer (or other modules), and that opening a
PDF for editing is not a pixel-perfect process; there can be some issues
with the import (but if all you want is get a picture it's alright).

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2014-12-27 19:36 GMT+01:00 charles meyer :

> Hi All,
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying Christmas and all the holidays.
>
> I was reading there is an extension you can download for Open Office
> which allows you to import a PDF file and then edit that PDF file.
>
> I have a form sent to me in pdf and I wish to import an image file
> into that pdf form.
>
> Does Libre Office have a similar PDF extension? Have you actually used
> it and not just read about it? Can you please share the official link
> to that extension?
>
> If Libre Office does not offer such a PDF extension, has anyone used
> the Open Office PDF extension in Libre Writer/Office?
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Charles.
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-29 Thread anne-ology
   oops ... nuts ... ... ...  ;-)

   When I responded to his message, I was hoping there might now be a
good program which would eliminate all the gobbledegook which happens
through this method;
   will there ever be a program which will allow for editing these
inane PDF files without messing up the original intent???
   one which would allow the simple deletion of those excessive blank
pages ...
   the ability to fix the margins allowing for less wasted space ...
  the ability to eliminate the extraneous lines which criss-cross
throughout the document ... ... ...



From: Jean-Baptiste Faure 
Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or
Open Office
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: reachmepl...@gmail.com


Hi,

Le 27/12/2014 19:36, charles meyer a écrit :
> [...]
> I was reading there is an extension you can download for Open Office
> which allows you to import a PDF file and then edit that PDF file.



This extension is part of the default installation of LibreOffice. You
only have to try to open your pdf file from the File > open menu of
LibreOffice to open the file in the Draw module

Best regards.
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-28 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 12/27/2014 09:14 PM, Cley Faye wrote:

A recent installation of LibreOffice is able to open almost any PDF through
the Draw module. From there, it is possible to redo the placement and
extract part of the file.

Note that it won't open in Writer (or other modules), and that opening a
PDF for editing is not a pixel-perfect process; there can be some issues
with the import (but if all you want is get a picture it's alright).



Sometimes it is better to find a free PDF editor [Windows or Linux] to 
do the needed editing for PDF forms and other "interactive" PDF files.


LibreOffice is a great office package, but it was not meant to do 
everything. [Unlike MSO wants to become]


To do "everything", LO would become a very large install that would be 
too packed with options that would make it too "complex" for a lot of 
users, since the navigation menu[s] would be so large and layered that 
you could get lost in them trying to find the option you want to use.


For me, I use dedicated packages for things like web page development 
and modification.  Writer can do this, but having a package that only 
does HTML and web page scripting seems easier to use.  I also use 
dedicated packages for image/photo editing and another one for "raster" 
based image editing.  I never learned to use Draw for my needs, since I 
have been using other product[s] for more years than LO has been out.


I use LO a lot, but like a large percent of its users, I used it for 
word processing [Writer], spreadsheets [Calc], presentations [Impress].  
When I go beyond the "basics" of each module, I tend to fall back to 
both paid and free packages that I have been using for over ten years, 
through the original packages and their upgrades.


We all choose the software that is best for our needs, one reason I 
choose LO.  But unless you created a PDF form with Writer, I would use a 
package that was meant to edited PDF interactive forms.  There are free 
ones out there.  It is worth a look-see.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-27 Thread Cley Faye
A recent installation of LibreOffice is able to open almost any PDF through
the Draw module. From there, it is possible to redo the placement and
extract part of the file.

Note that it won't open in Writer (or other modules), and that opening a
PDF for editing is not a pixel-perfect process; there can be some issues
with the import (but if all you want is get a picture it's alright).

-- 
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2014-12-27 19:36 GMT+01:00 charles meyer :

> Hi All,
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying Christmas and all the holidays.
>
> I was reading there is an extension you can download for Open Office
> which allows you to import a PDF file and then edit that PDF file.
>
> I have a form sent to me in pdf and I wish to import an image file
> into that pdf form.
>
> Does Libre Office have a similar PDF extension? Have you actually used
> it and not just read about it? Can you please share the official link
> to that extension?
>
> If Libre Office does not offer such a PDF extension, has anyone used
> the Open Office PDF extension in Libre Writer/Office?
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Charles.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-27 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi,

Le 27/12/2014 19:36, charles meyer a écrit :
> [...]
> I was reading there is an extension you can download for Open Office
> which allows you to import a PDF file and then edit that PDF file.

This extension is part of the default installation of LibreOffice. You
only have to try to open your pdf file from the File > open menu of
LibreOffice to open the file in the Draw module

Best regards.
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-27 Thread anne-ology
   sounds interesting & quite useful;
   sure hope someone will know where such a program is located.



From: charles meyer 
Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 12:36 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open
Office
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Hi All,

I hope everyone is enjoying Christmas and all the holidays.

I was reading there is an extension you can download for Open Office
which allows you to import a PDF file and then edit that PDF file.

I have a form sent to me in pdf and I wish to import an image file
into that pdf form.

Does Libre Office have a similar PDF extension? Have you actually used
it and not just read about it? Can you please share the official link
to that extension?

If Libre Office does not offer such a PDF extension, has anyone used
the Open Office PDF extension in Libre Writer/Office?

Thanks so much.

Charles.

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[libreoffice-users] PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office

2014-12-27 Thread charles meyer
Hi All,

I hope everyone is enjoying Christmas and all the holidays.

I was reading there is an extension you can download for Open Office
which allows you to import a PDF file and then edit that PDF file.

I have a form sent to me in pdf and I wish to import an image file
into that pdf form.

Does Libre Office have a similar PDF extension? Have you actually used
it and not just read about it? Can you please share the official link
to that extension?

If Libre Office does not offer such a PDF extension, has anyone used
the Open Office PDF extension in Libre Writer/Office?

Thanks so much.

Charles.

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