Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
Hi :) There always seems to be a shed-load more devs working on Writer than any other module. I think Calc and Draw are in around 2nd place although i don't track these things. There is much better software out there than Impress/Powerpoint for doing the sorts of things they should be good at. It might be worth hunting for a specialist program. I'm not sure but the issues you mention probably have already been posted as bug-reports but if you have the time it would be great if you could make sure; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport If that doesn't help you find them then please do post your own. On a side-issue i think most people here recognise that you are a strong supporter of LO, TDF and the wider OpenSource community and appreciate that your 'critic' is merely meant to help us find&fix issues. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 16 May 2014 15:16, CVAlkan wrote: > Hi: > > Someone asked me offline (or is that back channel?) to provide examples of > what I meant by my comments regarding Impress. I think the implication was > that these were unfair rants. So here are examples that come to mind: > > 1) I said Impress is a "Work in Progress": this wasn't a slur, merely an > observation. One example is that the export to pdf doesn't support anything > but the slides themselves. I don't even know whether the developers ever > intended to "complete" this capability for Notes, Handouts and such. I just > went to utilize a feature that I assumed would be there, and found that it > didn't exist (or at least I can't find any way to make such a choice). I > utilized a third-party "printer driver" which worked just fine, although it > would be nice to have all of the capabilities of LO's own PDF exporter. > > 2) I said that Impress has "interface inconsistencies": again, just an > observation. One example is that if one copies an object on one slide, and > then pastes it into a different slide, and then uses one of the arrow keys > to move the object's position (the pasted object is clearly selected - > handles showing, etc.), the screen display will jump to an earlier or later > slide rather than moving the object within the slide. If one holds the > arrow > down (when, for instance, the object needs to be moved a good distance), > you > might end up at the first or last slide of the presentation depending on > your reaction time to the unexpected screen chaos. This is, of course, > quite > simply explained by the fact that pasting an object doesn't seem to give > that object (and the slide display) focus, but rather leaves it on the > thumbnails on the left side. I don't believe that is the normally expected > behavior, and it certainly isn't how Writer, for instance, reacts (although > I understand that pages are not "independent" as they are in Impress). > Again, this normally isn't tough to deal with - you just have to remember > to > click on the display before attempting to move the pasted object. If you're > pasting a selection of multiple objects, however, you end up needing to > re-select them before moving - and this can be quite tricky if they've > landed on top of other objects. > > So, if my comments appeared snooty to anyone else who was too polite to > call > me on them publicly, I apologize if the tone seemed offensive. I believe, > however, that the remarks were factual - I certainly can't imagine anyone > making the argument that Impress is at the maturity level of Writer. And I > don't think that should come as a big surprise given the relative > importance > (and user interest) of the two. It just 'is what it is' as they say. > > Have a great day ... > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Deleting-a-Table-in-Impress-tp4108931p4109054.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
Interesting ... I just tried what you suggested (using the 4.3 alpha), and I was indeed able to then delete the table after adding data to a cell. When I initially encountered the problem, I had also entered data into the cells, but I did so solely by pasting data into several cells. It doesn't seem reasonable that pasting versus typing would make the table act differently, but stranger things have happened. So I tried creating a new table, then pasting again and was still able to delete the table. Does whoever made the change to the earlier 4.2.2 code have the ability to compare old / new side by side to see if anything is obvious? Something strange is going on. If I do run into the this behavior (or misbehavior) again, I'll try to pay more attention to what I was doing at the time, but I decided to stay away from tables in the project I'm working on at the moment, so that isn't likely. Frank -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Deleting-a-Table-in-Impress-tp4108931p4109190.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
On 17/05/14 16:07, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Brian Barker wrote: At 11:22 15/05/2014 -0700, Frank 'CVAlkan' Oberle wrote: Thanks Brian, but still nothing. Interesting. Do these techniques not work for others in Impress? Having inserted a table via Insert > Table, any of Brian's suggestions work for me to delete it in 4.0.4.2 and 4.2.0.4. Admittedly those are not the latest versions. It looks like there may be a bug, introduced around 4.2.3.3: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78326 Mark. Further to my last post, this behaviour is not consistent. Since my previous test I've closed LibreOffice, re-opened a new presentation and repeated the test: the table can be consistently inserted and deleted. Presently I've no idea what's going on, but a workaround for afflicted presentations may be the insertion of random data in to a table cell as per my first test. Peter HB -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
On 17/05/14 16:07, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Brian Barker wrote: At 11:22 15/05/2014 -0700, Frank 'CVAlkan' Oberle wrote: Thanks Brian, but still nothing. Interesting. Do these techniques not work for others in Impress? Having inserted a table via Insert > Table, any of Brian's suggestions work for me to delete it in 4.0.4.2 and 4.2.0.4. Admittedly those are not the latest versions. It looks like there may be a bug, introduced around 4.2.3.3: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78326 Mark. A swift test with 4.2.4 (64 bit) reveals that an empty table cannot be deleted, even though selected, but entering *any* data in a cell allows selection and deletion of the table. Peter HB -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
Brian Barker wrote: At 11:22 15/05/2014 -0700, Frank 'CVAlkan' Oberle wrote: Thanks Brian, but still nothing. Interesting. Do these techniques not work for others in Impress? Having inserted a table via Insert > Table, any of Brian's suggestions work for me to delete it in 4.0.4.2 and 4.2.0.4. Admittedly those are not the latest versions. It looks like there may be a bug, introduced around 4.2.3.3: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78326 Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
Hi: Someone asked me offline (or is that back channel?) to provide examples of what I meant by my comments regarding Impress. I think the implication was that these were unfair rants. So here are examples that come to mind: 1) I said Impress is a "Work in Progress": this wasn't a slur, merely an observation. One example is that the export to pdf doesn't support anything but the slides themselves. I don't even know whether the developers ever intended to "complete" this capability for Notes, Handouts and such. I just went to utilize a feature that I assumed would be there, and found that it didn't exist (or at least I can't find any way to make such a choice). I utilized a third-party "printer driver" which worked just fine, although it would be nice to have all of the capabilities of LO's own PDF exporter. 2) I said that Impress has "interface inconsistencies": again, just an observation. One example is that if one copies an object on one slide, and then pastes it into a different slide, and then uses one of the arrow keys to move the object's position (the pasted object is clearly selected - handles showing, etc.), the screen display will jump to an earlier or later slide rather than moving the object within the slide. If one holds the arrow down (when, for instance, the object needs to be moved a good distance), you might end up at the first or last slide of the presentation depending on your reaction time to the unexpected screen chaos. This is, of course, quite simply explained by the fact that pasting an object doesn't seem to give that object (and the slide display) focus, but rather leaves it on the thumbnails on the left side. I don't believe that is the normally expected behavior, and it certainly isn't how Writer, for instance, reacts (although I understand that pages are not "independent" as they are in Impress). Again, this normally isn't tough to deal with - you just have to remember to click on the display before attempting to move the pasted object. If you're pasting a selection of multiple objects, however, you end up needing to re-select them before moving - and this can be quite tricky if they've landed on top of other objects. So, if my comments appeared snooty to anyone else who was too polite to call me on them publicly, I apologize if the tone seemed offensive. I believe, however, that the remarks were factual - I certainly can't imagine anyone making the argument that Impress is at the maturity level of Writer. And I don't think that should come as a big surprise given the relative importance (and user interest) of the two. It just 'is what it is' as they say. Have a great day ... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Deleting-a-Table-in-Impress-tp4108931p4109054.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
At 11:22 15/05/2014 -0700, Frank 'CVAlkan' Oberle wrote: Thanks Brian, but still nothing. Interesting. Do these techniques not work for others in Impress? Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Deleting a Table in Impress
Thanks Brian, but still nothing. What you suggest works fine in Writer (although a lot more cumbersome than Table|Delete|Table), but the only way I was able to get rid of the table in Impress was to copy everything but the table to a new slide and then delete the slide with the table on it. I may not have mentioned it, but this was a native Impress table, not a Writer or Calc selection that I copied into Impress, since I hadn't thought of trying that. I guess Impress just doesn't like me. I've found another way of doing what I was attempting, so this isn't a big deal to me any more. Based on the informal survey that's floating around on this list right now, it doesn't look like Impress is used by many folks anyway. Even one of the guys who uses it says he only does so to view presentations that others have put together. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Deleting-a-Table-in-Impress-tp4108931p4108951.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
