Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-19 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It's good to disagree.  I think that is how we develop new ideas or new things. 
 Also if wee were all the same and all thought the same it would be 
mind-blowingly irritating (see various films such as Logans Run).  

If you try to do exactly the same thing in exactly the same way on a different 
system then it is not likely to work.  Step forwards in a virtual world by 
moving the mouse or press the up arrow.  If you are afk you would need to use 
your legs or arms (or someone else's) (ignoring those fancy motorised 
wheelchairs).  Then if you try swimming - again, the up arrow is probably not 
going to help unless you are Lara Croft.  

LibreOffice is NOT just a cheap knock-off of MS Office.  It has different ways 
of doing things.  A different ethos.  Sometimes it does things that MSO can't.  
Sometimes it leaves certain things, such as emailing, to other products so that 
you can choose between alternatives to suit your needs.  I tend to find it is 
the newer users that have not yet learned bad habits that find it the easiest 
to use LibreOffice.  It's the people that have invested a lot of time into 
learning MSO and thinking the MS way that have more trouble with it.  

My point was that people who have systems that do work well and smoothly often 
seem to be more willing to try something else.  They tend to be the ones that 
have the most confidence.  

Contrary to popular belief it's fairly rare for MS to actually develop 
something.  They assimilate it.  The creative work is done by small companies 
vying for recognition.  When they make it big MS buys them out and absorbs the 
work, kills the competition, and is thus able to generate far more profit from 
the smaller company than the smaller company could have hoped to achieve.  
Usually it's a kind of win-win.  

Errr, i am about to get thrown off this list again for disagreeing with the TDF 
viewpoint aren't i?  
Regards from 
Tom :)  







 From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 8:08
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
 

Hi all

As to Tom's reference about broken systems, I cannot wholly agree. In my 
years of IT support to many clients and still current, I find resistance 
to change is more about a way of learning to do something with software 
apps, broken or not, and then having to relearn it, when approached with 
another similiar software app. In my recent post of two issues I have 
with Calc and Writer, my case in point, MSO can do the items I mentioned 
with no issues whatsoever, now that I have migrated users over to LO, 
they try exactly the same thing in LO and it fails. We of the higher 
computer levels forget that the majority of users are exactly that, 
users who want a simple way of doing their work without complications added.

So this creates resistance to change of new/different products, the 
other competing products must be able to do the same for the base 
standard i.e. what MS systems have set as a precedence, whether we like 
it or not, for a good user experience, to get them to change over to a 
better system. As the old analogy goes, equal to or better.

Cheers

Andrew Brown

On 18/07/2013 07:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I think all of us here are on roughly the same side.  It's just a case of 
 trying to work out what works when and what doesn't.  I haven't had a huge 
 amount of success in converting MS users to LO.

 People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do 
 what they want rather than risk change.  The more broken the system the more 
 they resist change.  Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying 
 anything else
 Regards from
 Tom :)





 
 From: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web


 Hi,

 Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..
 Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new
 browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be
 corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and
 switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution.
 That said...

 ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
 certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org?
 That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox,
 and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate
 with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem
 is... unless of course they've already fixed it.

 Just sayin'

 Paul


 On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST)
 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-19 Thread Andrew Brown

Hi all

As to Tom's reference about broken systems, I cannot wholly agree. In my 
years of IT support to many clients and still current, I find resistance 
to change is more about a way of learning to do something with software 
apps, broken or not, and then having to relearn it, when approached with 
another similiar software app. In my recent post of two issues I have 
with Calc and Writer, my case in point, MSO can do the items I mentioned 
with no issues whatsoever, now that I have migrated users over to LO, 
they try exactly the same thing in LO and it fails. We of the higher 
computer levels forget that the majority of users are exactly that, 
users who want a simple way of doing their work without complications added.


So this creates resistance to change of new/different products, the 
other competing products must be able to do the same for the base 
standard i.e. what MS systems have set as a precedence, whether we like 
it or not, for a good user experience, to get them to change over to a 
better system. As the old analogy goes, equal to or better.


Cheers

Andrew Brown

On 18/07/2013 07:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think all of us here are on roughly the same side.  It's just a case of 
trying to work out what works when and what doesn't.  I haven't had a huge 
amount of success in converting MS users to LO.

People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do what 
they want rather than risk change.  The more broken the system the more they 
resist change.  Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying anything else
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web


Hi,


Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..

Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new
browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be
corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and
switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution.
That said...


...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org?

That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox,
and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate
with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem
is... unless of course they've already fixed it.

Just sayin'

Paul


On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


Hi :)
I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share
of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people.
Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem
to think they are using a superior product because they haven't
really tried anything else.  There's a LOT of them and we don't want
to cut them out of our potential market.  Telling them they have to
change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not
to bother trying LO.  It just makes yet another artificial barrier
and increases the FUD.

Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to
install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system.  A
dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they
have to get rid of their MSO.  Similarly with web-browsers of course
but that is not our fight.

I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it
really wasn't me 1.  Most of the web developers i know are ladies
2.  If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the
Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only
reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small
team and are still working on it.  However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a
different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8
are incompatible with IE 9.  It's always possible, of course,
especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting
too many other people.

Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox,
Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser.  We need
to catch more people that haven't tried the others yet and maybe be
their gateway into OpenSource.

Regards from
Tom :)









From: P NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 7:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web


On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700
Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote:


Tom Davies:

Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason
to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products)
fail. The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more
likely they are to sell more of their own product and make more
money

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-19 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I do think Andrew has valid points and it makes sense intuitively.  I had just 
been having a bad hair day and feeling a bit disheartened.  Really just 
having another spin on The Matrix quote about losing the entire 1st crop due 
to not stressing the system enough.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 8:08
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
 

Hi all

As to Tom's reference about broken systems, I cannot wholly agree. In my 
years of IT support to many clients and still current, I find resistance 
to change is more about a way of learning to do something with software 
apps, broken or not, and then having to relearn it, when approached with 
another similar software app. In my recent post of two issues I have 
with Calc and Writer, my case in point, MSO can do the items I mentioned 
with no issues whatsoever, now that I have migrated users over to LO, 
they try exactly the same thing in LO and it fails. We of the higher 
computer levels forget that the majority of users are exactly that, 
users who want a simple way of doing their work without complications added.

So this creates resistance to change of new/different products, the 
other competing products must be able to do the same for the base 
standard i.e. what MS systems have set as a precedence, whether we like 
it or not, for a good user experience, to get them to change over to a 
better system. As the old analogy goes, equal to or better.

Cheers

Andrew Brown

On 18/07/2013 07:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I think all of us here are on roughly the same side.  It's just a case of 
 trying to work out what works when and what doesn't.  I haven't had a huge 
 amount of success in converting MS users to LO.

 People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do 
 what they want rather than risk change.  The more broken the system the more 
 they resist change.  Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying 
 anything else
 Regards from
 Tom :)





 
 From: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web


 Hi,

 Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..
 Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new
 browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be
 corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and
 switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution.
 That said...

 ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
 certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org?
 That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox,
 and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate
 with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem
 is... unless of course they've already fixed it.

 Just sayin'

 Paul


 On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST)
 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share
 of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people.
 Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem
 to think they are using a superior product because they haven't
 really tried anything else.  There's a LOT of them and we don't want
 to cut them out of our potential market.  Telling them they have to
 change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not
 to bother trying LO.  It just makes yet another artificial barrier
 and increases the FUD.

 Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to
 install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system.  A
 dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they
 have to get rid of their MSO.  Similarly with web-browsers of course
 but that is not our fight.

 I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it
 really wasn't me 1.  Most of the web developers i know are ladies
 2.  If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the
 Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only
 reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small
 team and are still working on it.  However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a
 different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8
 are incompatible with IE 9.  It's always possible, of course,
 especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting
 too many other people.

 Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox,
 Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser.  We need
 to catch more people that haven't tried the others

[libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-19 Thread Urmas
LibreOffice is NOT just a cheap knock-off of MS Office.  It has different 
ways of doing things.  A different ethos.  Sometimes it does things that 
MSO can't.  Sometimes it leaves certain things, such as emailing, to other 
products so that you can choose between alternatives to suit your needs. 
I tend to find it is the newer users that have not yet learned bad habits 
that find it the easiest to use LibreOffice.


No amount of FUD is going to change the fact that office software should 
behave as it should, and not according to fancies coming into the 
developers' heads. LO doesn't make things 'differently', it does them wrong 
because persons implementing^Wcopycatting them have no any idea why it was 
there in the first place. Or because the LO is inferior in core and to 
implement things properly the whole modules should be rewritten from 
scratch. 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think all of us here are on roughly the same side.  It's just a case of 
trying to work out what works when and what doesn't.  I haven't had a huge 
amount of success in converting MS users to LO.  

People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do what 
they want rather than risk change.  The more broken the system the more they 
resist change.  Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying anything else
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
 

Hi,

 Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..
Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new
browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be
corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and
switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution.
That said...

  ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
  certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org?
That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox,
and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate
with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem
is... unless of course they've already fixed it.

Just sayin'

Paul


On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share
 of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people.
 Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem
 to think they are using a superior product because they haven't
 really tried anything else.  There's a LOT of them and we don't want
 to cut them out of our potential market.  Telling them they have to
 change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not
 to bother trying LO.  It just makes yet another artificial barrier
 and increases the FUD.  
 
 Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to
 install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system.  A
 dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they
 have to get rid of their MSO.  Similarly with web-browsers of course
 but that is not our fight.  
 
 I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it
 really wasn't me 1.  Most of the web developers i know are ladies
 2.  If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the
 Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only
 reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small
 team and are still working on it.  However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a
 different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8
 are incompatible with IE 9.  It's always possible, of course,
 especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting
 too many other people.  
 
 Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox,
 Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser.  We need
 to catch more people that haven't tried the others yet and maybe be
 their gateway into OpenSource.  
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: P NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 7:29
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
  
 
 On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700
 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Tom Davies:
  
  Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason
  to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products)
  fail. The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more
  likely they are to sell more of their own product and make more
  money.  So, if IE doesn't behave we might not be able to  do
  anything about it.
  
  ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
  certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? 
  
  
  
 
 Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..
 
 Pete .
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-17 Thread P NIKOLIC
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700
Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tom Davies:
 
 Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason
 to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products) fail.
 The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more likely they
 are to sell more of their own product and make more money.  So, if IE
 doesn't behave we might not be able to  do anything about it.
 
 ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
 certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? 
 
 
 

Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..

Pete .


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share of the 
web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people.  Usually those 
people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem to think they are using 
a superior product because they haven't really tried anything else.  There's a 
LOT of them and we don't want to cut them out of our potential market.  Telling 
them they have to change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra 
reason not to bother trying LO.  It just makes yet another artificial barrier 
and increases the FUD.  

Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to install LO is 
that they can have both LO and MSO on their system.  A dismaying number of 
people wont dare try LO because they think they have to get rid of their MSO.  
Similarly with web-browsers of course but that is not our fight.  

I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it really wasn't me
1.  Most of the web developers i know are ladies
2.  If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the Websites List 
to ask them if they could do it.  
probably the only reason it might not have been done already is that they are a 
small team and are still working on it.  However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a 
different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8 are 
incompatible with IE 9.  It's always possible, of course, especially if it 
could make things difficult for LO without affecting too many other people.  

Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox, Chrome, the 
Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser.  We need to catch more people 
that haven't tried the others yet and maybe be their gateway into OpenSource.  

Regards from
Tom :)  








 From: P NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 7:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
 

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700
Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tom Davies:
 
 Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason
 to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products) fail.
 The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more likely they
 are to sell more of their own product and make more money.  So, if IE
 doesn't behave we might not be able to  do anything about it.
 
 ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
 certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? 
 
 
 

Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..

Pete .


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-17 Thread Paul
Hi,

 Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..
Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say Get a new
browser. Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be
corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and
switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution.
That said...

  ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
  certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org?
That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox,
and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate
with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem
is... unless of course they've already fixed it.

Just sayin'

Paul


On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share
 of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people.
 Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem
 to think they are using a superior product because they haven't
 really tried anything else.  There's a LOT of them and we don't want
 to cut them out of our potential market.  Telling them they have to
 change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not
 to bother trying LO.  It just makes yet another artificial barrier
 and increases the FUD.  
 
 Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to
 install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system.  A
 dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they
 have to get rid of their MSO.  Similarly with web-browsers of course
 but that is not our fight.  
 
 I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it
 really wasn't me 1.  Most of the web developers i know are ladies
 2.  If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the
 Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only
 reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small
 team and are still working on it.  However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a
 different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8
 are incompatible with IE 9.  It's always possible, of course,
 especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting
 too many other people.  
 
 Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox,
 Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser.  We need
 to catch more people that haven't tried the others yet and maybe be
 their gateway into OpenSource.  
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: P NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 7:29
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web
  
 
 On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700
 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Tom Davies:
  
  Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason
  to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products)
  fail. The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more
  likely they are to sell more of their own product and make more
  money.  So, if IE doesn't behave we might not be able to  do
  anything about it.
  
  ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a
  certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? 
  
  
  
 
 Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems ..
 
 Pete .
 
 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-17 Thread Urmas
I just checked in Firefox, and the certificate for 
https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate

with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem
is... unless of course they've already fixed it.

Here's the certificate. 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web

2013-07-16 Thread Urmas

Tom Davies:

Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason to want 
to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products) fail.  The more they 
can do to discredit LibreOffice the more likely they are to sell more of 
their own product and make more money.  So, if IE doesn't behave we might 
not be able to  do anything about it.


...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a certificate 
for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? 




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