[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/24/13 8:12 AM, JimJoyce wrote: Hi Snowshed, I still belong to the 8-bit computer days. I'm not sure which path you're chasing down. I've two suggestions of useful paths: BabelMaf from www.babelstone.co.uk provides a good table of extended codes. FontLister from fontlister.soft112.com shows text in all your fonts. Hope this helps. JJ I came up empty for BableMaf. Don't know why. Fontlister doesn't run on my Mac. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
Hi Snowshed, I still belong to the 8-bit computer days. I'm not sure which path you're chasing down. I've two suggestions of useful paths: BabelMaf from www.babelstone.co.uk provides a good table of extended codes. FontLister from fontlister.soft112.com shows text in all your fonts. Hope this helps. JJ -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Font-charts-tp4078099p4079587.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/15/13 5:30 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/14/2013 09:58 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/14/13 6:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/14/13 3:37 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote: 2013/10/14 Ken Springer Not sure if it's the same one, but I've found this handy for finding Unicode characters: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/ It doesn't show the whole range in one table, as that would be quite some table, but you can view a whole block at once. Not all fonts contain all Unicode characters, so you may find that some of the more esoteric characters don't display properly or at all. That's not the page I was writing about, but I've bookmarked it. Thanks. I found the page I was looking for, http://unicode.org/charts/. That page made me realize I've got to learn more about today's font files. If you check one of there fonts, say this one, http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf, that's the type of simple chart I'm looking for, except for one missing item. For character 0002 which is the space, I'd like the word "space" to be associated with the character in the chart. That tells me what the character is called in plain English, i.e. "space", "em square", "decimal sign", etc. Then it should be easier to check the font I wish to use to see if it contains the extended characters/ligatures/etc. I need/want to use. I used to really be into typography, but it was in the ASCII days, around the Windows for Workgroups time. Good There are some really good fonts out there, especially novelty and specialty fonts. I have a "large" collection of these fonts, plus a full set of Adobe fonts [TrueType and OpenType] When I do a "properties" on my non-Adobe font folders I get: 199,966 items in 13.4 GB My Adobe font folder of the collection from pre-2009 5129 items in 336.8 MB - with only 519 as TrueType fonts I don't have that many fonts, not even close. But the ones I do have are not the modern Unicode fonts. There are a lot of calligraphy fonts that has special "glyphs" that contain special combinations of letters and/or swirls that calligraphy style of writing is "famous" for. My current plans won't require any specialty fonts, except possibly for title pages and the like. My uses will involve mostly items to be read. I want them to easily read by the average/normal (if there is such a thing) user/reader. To be honest, there are fonts for your every need, and a great many of them are for free. I don't think, at this time, I'll be doing anything that would warrant purchasing of a font. I currently have over 600 fonts installed [that contain over 900 different fonts and their included styles] on my Ubuntu desktop computer. My laptops contain a little less installed fonts. You will be amazed what you can do with these modern fonts in Writer or a graphics package. I produce a lot of signs, posters, and invitations, with Writer and packages like Inkscape and Corel Draw. The types of calligraphy fonts [and the alternative/extra glyph fonts] make really beautiful items/documents for people. Of course, if you are going to deal with glyphs from different languages [using non-Latin letters], there are a great number of fonts dedicated for those languages, so you do not need to use their language glyphs in a Unicode font, like Arial. Arial Unicode seems to have the most letters and glyphs, of any of the Unicode fonts I know about. I doubt I'll be using anything but "Murican" English. LOL -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/14/2013 09:58 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > On 10/14/13 6:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote: >> On 10/14/13 3:37 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: >>> Ken Springer wrote: On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote: >> 2013/10/14 Ken Springer > > > >>> Not sure if it's the same one, but I've found this handy for finding >>> Unicode characters: >>> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/ >>> >>> It doesn't show the whole range in one table, as that would be quite >>> some table, but you can view a whole block at once. Not all fonts >>> contain all Unicode characters, so you may find that some of the more >>> esoteric characters don't display properly or at all. >> >> >> That's not the page I was writing about, but I've bookmarked it. >> Thanks. > > I found the page I was looking for, http://unicode.org/charts/. That > page made me realize I've got to learn more about today's font files. > If you check one of there fonts, say this one, > http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf, that's the type of simple > chart I'm looking for, except for one missing item. For character > 0002 which is the space, I'd like the word "space" to be associated > with the character in the chart. That tells me what the character is > called in plain English, i.e. "space", "em square", "decimal sign", > etc. Then it should be easier to check the font I wish to use to see > if it contains the extended characters/ligatures/etc. I need/want to use. > > I used to really be into typography, but it was in the ASCII days, > around the Windows for Workgroups time. > > Good There are some really good fonts out there, especially novelty and specialty fonts. I have a "large" collection of these fonts, plus a full set of Adobe fonts [TrueType and OpenType] When I do a "properties" on my non-Adobe font folders I get: 199,966 items in 13.4 GB My Adobe font folder of the collection from pre-2009 5129 items in 336.8 MB - with only 519 as TrueType fonts There are a lot of calligraphy fonts that has special "glyphs" that contain special combinations of letters and/or swirls that calligraphy style of writing is "famous" for. To be honest, there are fonts for your every need, and a great many of them are for free. I currently have over 600 fonts installed [that contain over 900 different fonts and their included styles] on my Ubuntu desktop computer. My laptops contain a little less installed fonts. You will be amazed what you can do with these modern fonts in Writer or a graphics package. I produce a lot of signs, posters, and invitations, with Writer and packages like Inkscape and Corel Draw. The types of calligraphy fonts [and the alternative/extra glyph fonts] make really beautiful items/documents for people. Of course, if you are going to deal with glyphs from different languages [using non-Latin letters], there are a great number of fonts dedicated for those languages, so you do not need to use their language glyphs in a Unicode font, like Arial. Arial Unicode seems to have the most letters and glyphs, of any of the Unicode fonts I know about. Happy Exploring. . . -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/14/13 6:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/14/13 3:37 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote: 2013/10/14 Ken Springer Not sure if it's the same one, but I've found this handy for finding Unicode characters: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/ It doesn't show the whole range in one table, as that would be quite some table, but you can view a whole block at once. Not all fonts contain all Unicode characters, so you may find that some of the more esoteric characters don't display properly or at all. That's not the page I was writing about, but I've bookmarked it. Thanks. I found the page I was looking for, http://unicode.org/charts/. That page made me realize I've got to learn more about today's font files. If you check one of there fonts, say this one, http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U.pdf, that's the type of simple chart I'm looking for, except for one missing item. For character 0002 which is the space, I'd like the word "space" to be associated with the character in the chart. That tells me what the character is called in plain English, i.e. "space", "em square", "decimal sign", etc. Then it should be easier to check the font I wish to use to see if it contains the extended characters/ligatures/etc. I need/want to use. I used to really be into typography, but it was in the ASCII days, around the Windows for Workgroups time. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/14/13 3:37 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote: 2013/10/14 Ken Springer Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for various things, like this simple ASCII font chart. Ha. Things were even simpler, english used only 7bits for useful characters... Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary fonts? Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex than I'm looking for. I don't know of an exact solution that would allow you to both specify a font and a set of characters, but on most systems you can get some kind of character maps to display characters using a specific font. For example on windows, you can run the "charmap" program. I don't remember the name, but I know there is something similar under KDE/Linux. From you posting, you use Mac, correct? I am. But when I read Gabriel's post, I realized I'd forgotten to include a link, which is now in a follow up post. But here it is again: http://www.asciitable.com/ I am not using Mac, but there has to be some font viewer available for Mac. What are you looking to do with it? Make money LOL, I'm on a roll here. On the serious side... If you look at the ASCII table link, you can see that it's easy to scan the char column until you find "space" for instance, then know the Dec code is32. I just want to do similar for all the characters in a contemporary font. Then I know the "code" to use for that extended character. I found a website, which sadly I can't find now, even with History in the browser, that had a plethora of charts. Thought I'd bookmarked it, but also apparently not. :-( Not sure if it's the same one, but I've found this handy for finding Unicode characters: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/ It doesn't show the whole range in one table, as that would be quite some table, but you can view a whole block at once. Not all fonts contain all Unicode characters, so you may find that some of the more esoteric characters don't display properly or at all. That's not the page I was writing about, but I've bookmarked it. Thanks. In another thread, I think here in LO, there was essentially a typography discussion. Two spaces after a period, or one? In that thread, I suggested trying the AutoCorrect function to get what you want. Now I'm going to try my own suggestion! LOL So, I need to know where the em space is, and then see if I can enter that into AutoCorrect. Using the search on the above site, searching for "em space" shows that it's U+2003 (that's unicode character 2003 in hex, or 8195 decimal) Mark. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/14/13 1:30 PM, James Knott wrote: Ken Springer wrote: Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for various things, like this simple ASCII font chart. LMAO!!! Forgot to include the link! http://www.asciitable.com/ Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary fonts? Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex than I'm looking for. One of the things that's making what you want more difficult to find is unicode. Unicode supports many thousands of characters, so it's a large table. You can search on unicode to find the tables. However, you may be going about this the wrong way. Is there a specific set of characters, such as for another language? If so, you can enable other keyboard layouts and switch among them. For example, I have International English enabled so that I can get a variety of symbols and also the Greek layout for characters that are commonly used in electronics. I just press to switch. I know it's going to be more complicated, but I'm thinking more of just English for typography purposes, general writing and not technical writing. An explanation is here: news://news.gmane.org:119/l3hgnv$s2q$1...@ger.gmane.org A different keyboard layout is something that hadn't occurred to me. I may have to check that out later. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
Ken Springer wrote: >> Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for >> various things, like this simple ASCII font chart. > > LMAO!!! Forgot to include the link! > > http://www.asciitable.com/ > >> Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary >> fonts? Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex >> than I'm looking for. >> One of the things that's making what you want more difficult to find is unicode. Unicode supports many thousands of characters, so it's a large table. You can search on unicode to find the tables. However, you may be going about this the wrong way. Is there a specific set of characters, such as for another language? If so, you can enable other keyboard layouts and switch among them. For example, I have International English enabled so that I can get a variety of symbols and also the Greek layout for characters that are commonly used in electronics. I just press to switch. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/14/13 12:46 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/14/2013 12:44 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote: 2013/10/14 Ken Springer Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for various things, like this simple ASCII font chart. Ha. Things were even simpler, english used only 7bits for useful characters... Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary fonts? Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex than I'm looking for. I don't know of an exact solution that would allow you to both specify a font and a set of characters, but on most systems you can get some kind of character maps to display characters using a specific font. For example on windows, you can run the "charmap" program. I don't remember the name, but I know there is something similar under KDE/Linux. From you posting, you use Mac, correct? I am. But when I read Gabriel's post, I realized I'd forgotten to include a link, which is now in a follow up post. But here it is again: http://www.asciitable.com/ I am not using Mac, but there has to be some font viewer available for Mac. What are you looking to do with it? Make money LOL, I'm on a roll here. On the serious side... If you look at the ASCII table link, you can see that it's easy to scan the char column until you find "space" for instance, then know the Dec code is32. I just want to do similar for all the characters in a contemporary font. Then I know the "code" to use for that extended character. I found a website, which sadly I can't find now, even with History in the browser, that had a plethora of charts. Thought I'd bookmarked it, but also apparently not. :-( In another thread, I think here in LO, there was essentially a typography discussion. Two spaces after a period, or one? In that thread, I suggested trying the AutoCorrect function to get what you want. Now I'm going to try my own suggestion! LOL So, I need to know where the em space is, and then see if I can enter that into AutoCorrect. In addition, I can hopefully substitute ligatures for specific letter combinations. I've installed the Typography toolbar to work with this, but apparently it only works with "Graphite" fonts, something I need to find and find out about. Hopefully, I can get something acceptable using AutoCorrect. I'm also going to start looking at LyX/LaTeX for better typographical output. If you look at really old books, you can see the difference between the text in them and what you generally get with a word processor. I know that LO has a font charting display for "insert special character" that look good. I've yet to find of these that I find truly easy to use. And, maybe it's not possible. If you want to print a character chart for a selected font, well most font managers I have seen does that to some degree. As for the KDE option - KFontView I also use Fontmatrix on Ubuntu. I use a paid software on Windows to get what I want though - MainType. In the Mac OS X Tiger days, Adobe created a 32(?) page document on using the Mac's character chart, and that chart has always baffled me. Most due to lack of knowledge on my part I'm sure, and there's really nothing in the help files for OS X about it. :-( My hunch is the character chart is totally useless to the newbie. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Font charts
On 10/14/13 9:24 AM, Ken Springer wrote: Back in the 8-bit computer days, it was easy to find simple charts for various things, like this simple ASCII font chart. LMAO!!! Forgot to include the link! http://www.asciitable.com/ Does anyone know of a similar simple chart for modern/contemporary fonts? Everything I've found so far, for charts, are far more complex than I'm looking for. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
