Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems
Hi :) Brilliant! I just had this problem about a week ago. About 12 images on a single page in Writer made it really difficult to keep them all in the same place. Each time i moved one image to it's right place some of the other images jumped about a bit randomly. This time i fell back to using Publisher which also made a bit of a mess but i was able to fudge it. Next time i guess i should use Draw! Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Twayne twa...@twaynesdomain.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 10 July, 2011 15:12:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems In news:op.vycjy4x2ov9kiw@monster-linux.zuhause, Zak McKracken zak_mckrac...@openoffice.org typed: Am 07.07.2011, 21:19 Uhr, schrieb Twayne t...@twaynesdomain.com: [...] In case I didn't make it clear, the runaway scrolling occurred when I was moving the pages via the scrollbar so I could watch the page numbers easier. But I could make the same thing happen by scrolling wtih the mouse wheel. Ah, OK. No, I don't have that problem either. My usual fix is just to break a large document into several smaller documents to get LO to handle it, although I haven't created a Master Document yet and don't know if that will bring back the problems. Splitting documents does help (I'm doing that, too), but it can indroduce new problems: If you have rferences across several part documents, that will give you an error message in the individual files, but the correct content in the global one. Which can change line and page breaks, and that can change the layout. Shouldn't be a problem but can become one. Also it took me a while to figure out how to have proper page breaks between single documents. But then, it makes editing a lot easier, especially with many images. They aren't large images either in real estate or file size; they're about 1/16 of a page, most of them, and there may be 6 to 10 smaller ones per page in a table which is apt to really screw up in LO. In my experience, the problem starts with more than one image per paragraph and with more than half the page covered in images. But if you organize them in a table, that'll keep them together. Interesting; tables can be the worst culprits, depending on whatever, I don't know. I've never been able to decide if it was the qty of images or qty of anchors and which cell/s they live in. Hmmm. Depending on whether the table also contains text, you could alternatively arrange them in LO draw and then copy/paste them into the writer document. Then it's really just one object, and that is easier to position than many small ones. I'll have to think about that one a bit; using Draw so it'll only be one object. Sounds plausible, but it might be more work than just splitting the files apart as I've done before. Since these are all pre-existing files I'd have to pull from Writer, Paste into Draw, fix, Paste back into Writer. Wonder if I could get a macro to do that? Probably not. Thanks for your thoughts though! Unless I get a brainstorm from your comments, I think I'll go the split-documents route and Master Document/s if/when the images will stabilize for me. Thanks again, Twayne` Cheers, Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems
Tom I always use text boxes (LO Frames) and place one image inside each box. I love text boxes - I use them all the time - they are stable and you can overlay pictures etc. Text boxes do not tend to jump all over the place or anywhere at all. Remember to click off the edge pullers in LO or else you cannot insert a new one. John B -- On 12/07/2011 16:15, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Brilliant! I just had this problem about a week ago. About 12 images on a single page in Writer made it really difficult to keep them all in the same place. Each time i moved one image to it's right place some of the other images jumped about a bit randomly. This time i fell back to using Publisher which also made a bit of a mess but i was able to fudge it. Next time i guess i should use Draw! Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Twaynetwa...@twaynesdomain.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 10 July, 2011 15:12:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems In news:op.vycjy4x2ov9kiw@monster-linux.zuhause, Zak McKrackenzak_mckrac...@openoffice.org typed: Am 07.07.2011, 21:19 Uhr, schrieb Twayne t...@twaynesdomain.com: [...] In case I didn't make it clear, the runaway scrolling occurred when I was moving the pages via the scrollbar so I could watch the page numbers easier. But I could make the same thing happen by scrolling wtih the mouse wheel. Ah, OK. No, I don't have that problem either. My usual fix is just to break a large document into several smaller documents to get LO to handle it, although I haven't created a Master Document yet and don't know if that will bring back the problems. Splitting documents does help (I'm doing that, too), but it can indroduce new problems: If you have rferences across several part documents, that will give you an error message in the individual files, but the correct content in the global one. Which can change line and page breaks, and that can change the layout. Shouldn't be a problem but can become one. Also it took me a while to figure out how to have proper page breaks between single documents. But then, it makes editing a lot easier, especially with many images. They aren't large images either in real estate or file size; they're about 1/16 of a page, most of them, and there may be 6 to 10 smaller ones per page in a table which is apt to really screw up in LO. In my experience, the problem starts with more than one image per paragraph and with more than half the page covered in images. But if you organize them in a table, that'll keep them together. Interesting; tables can be the worst culprits, depending on whatever, I don't know. I've never been able to decide if it was the qty of images or qty of anchors and which cell/s they live in. Hmmm. Depending on whether the table also contains text, you could alternatively arrange them in LO draw and then copy/paste them into the writer document. Then it's really just one object, and that is easier to position than many small ones. I'll have to think about that one a bit; using Draw so it'll only be one object. Sounds plausible, but it might be more work than just splitting the files apart as I've done before. Since these are all pre-existing files I'd have to pull from Writer, Paste into Draw, fix, Paste back into Writer. Wonder if I could get a macro to do that? Probably not. Thanks for your thoughts though! Unless I get a brainstorm from your comments, I think I'll go the split-documents route and Master Document/s if/when the images will stabilize for me. Thanks again, Twayne` Cheers, Zak Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3744 - Release Date: 07/04/11 19:35:00 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems
Hi :) Thanks. I have been avoiding text-boxes so far. I guess trying out Draw is a good time to explore them! Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: John B jo...@email2.me To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 12 July, 2011 16:36:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems Tom I always use text boxes (LO Frames) and place one image inside each box. I love text boxes - I use them all the time - they are stable and you can overlay pictures etc. Text boxes do not tend to jump all over the place or anywhere at all. Remember to click off the edge pullers in LO or else you cannot insert a new one. John B -- On 12/07/2011 16:15, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Brilliant! I just had this problem about a week ago. About 12 images on a single page in Writer made it really difficult to keep them all in the same place. Each time i moved one image to it's right place some of the other images jumped about a bit randomly. This time i fell back to using Publisher which also made a bit of a mess but i was able to fudge it. Next time i guess i should use Draw! Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Twaynetwa...@twaynesdomain.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 10 July, 2011 15:12:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems In news:op.vycjy4x2ov9kiw@monster-linux.zuhause, Zak McKrackenzak_mckrac...@openoffice.org typed: Am 07.07.2011, 21:19 Uhr, schrieb Twayne t...@twaynesdomain.com: [...] In case I didn't make it clear, the runaway scrolling occurred when I was moving the pages via the scrollbar so I could watch the page numbers easier. But I could make the same thing happen by scrolling wtih the mouse wheel. Ah, OK. No, I don't have that problem either. My usual fix is just to break a large document into several smaller documents to get LO to handle it, although I haven't created a Master Document yet and don't know if that will bring back the problems. Splitting documents does help (I'm doing that, too), but it can indroduce new problems: If you have rferences across several part documents, that will give you an error message in the individual files, but the correct content in the global one. Which can change line and page breaks, and that can change the layout. Shouldn't be a problem but can become one. Also it took me a while to figure out how to have proper page breaks between single documents. But then, it makes editing a lot easier, especially with many images. They aren't large images either in real estate or file size; they're about 1/16 of a page, most of them, and there may be 6 to 10 smaller ones per page in a table which is apt to really screw up in LO. In my experience, the problem starts with more than one image per paragraph and with more than half the page covered in images. But if you organize them in a table, that'll keep them together. Interesting; tables can be the worst culprits, depending on whatever, I don't know. I've never been able to decide if it was the qty of images or qty of anchors and which cell/s they live in. Hmmm. Depending on whether the table also contains text, you could alternatively arrange them in LO draw and then copy/paste them into the writer document. Then it's really just one object, and that is easier to position than many small ones. I'll have to think about that one a bit; using Draw so it'll only be one object. Sounds plausible, but it might be more work than just splitting the files apart as I've done before. Since these are all pre-existing files I'd have to pull from Writer, Paste into Draw, fix, Paste back into Writer. Wonder if I could get a macro to do that? Probably not. Thanks for your thoughts though! Unless I get a brainstorm from your comments, I think I'll go the split-documents route and Master Document/s if/when the images will stabilize for me. Thanks again, Twayne` Cheers, Zak Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3744 - Release Date: 07/04/11 19:35:00 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org
[libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems
In news:op.vycjy4x2ov9kiw@monster-linux.zuhause, Zak McKracken zak_mckrac...@openoffice.org typed: Am 07.07.2011, 21:19 Uhr, schrieb Twayne t...@twaynesdomain.com: [...] In case I didn't make it clear, the runaway scrolling occurred when I was moving the pages via the scrollbar so I could watch the page numbers easier. But I could make the same thing happen by scrolling wtih the mouse wheel. Ah, OK. No, I don't have that problem either. My usual fix is just to break a large document into several smaller documents to get LO to handle it, although I haven't created a Master Document yet and don't know if that will bring back the problems. Splitting documents does help (I'm doing that, too), but it can indroduce new problems: If you have rferences across several part documents, that will give you an error message in the individual files, but the correct content in the global one. Which can change line and page breaks, and that can change the layout. Shouldn't be a problem but can become one. Also it took me a while to figure out how to have proper page breaks between single documents. But then, it makes editing a lot easier, especially with many images. They aren't large images either in real estate or file size; they're about 1/16 of a page, most of them, and there may be 6 to 10 smaller ones per page in a table which is apt to really screw up in LO. In my experience, the problem starts with more than one image per paragraph and with more than half the page covered in images. But if you organize them in a table, that'll keep them together. Interesting; tables can be the worst culprits, depending on whatever, I don't know. I've never been able to decide if it was the qty of images or qty of anchors and which cell/s they live in. Hmmm. Depending on whether the table also contains text, you could alternatively arrange them in LO draw and then copy/paste them into the writer document. Then it's really just one object, and that is easier to position than many small ones. I'll have to think about that one a bit; using Draw so it'll only be one object. Sounds plausible, but it might be more work than just splitting the files apart as I've done before. Since these are all pre-existing files I'd have to pull from Writer, Paste into Draw, fix, Paste back into Writer. Wonder if I could get a macro to do that? Probably not. Thanks for your thoughts though! Unless I get a brainstorm from your comments, I think I'll go the split-documents route and Master Document/s if/when the images will stabilize for me. Thanks again, Twayne` Cheers, Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems
Am 07.07.2011, 21:19 Uhr, schrieb Twayne t...@twaynesdomain.com: [...] In case I didn't make it clear, the runaway scrolling occurred when I was moving the pages via the scrollbar so I could watch the page numbers easier. But I could make the same thing happen by scrolling wtih the mouse wheel. Ah, OK. No, I don't have that problem either. My usual fix is just to break a large document into several smaller documents to get LO to handle it, although I haven't created a Master Document yet and don't know if that will bring back the problems. Splitting documents does help (I'm doing that, too), but it can indroduce new problems: If you have rferences across several part documents, that will give you an error message in the individual files, but the correct content in the global one. Which can change line and page breaks, and that can change the layout. Shouldn't be a problem but can become one. Also it took me a while to figure out how to have proper page breaks between single documents. But then, it makes editing a lot easier, especially with many images. They aren't large images either in real estate or file size; they're about 1/16 of a page, most of them, and there may be 6 to 10 smaller ones per page in a table which is apt to really screw up in LO. In my experience, the problem starts with more than one image per paragraph and with more than half the page covered in images. But if you organize them in a table, that'll keep them together. Depending on whether the table also contains text, you could alternatively arrange them in LO draw and then copy/paste them into the writer document. Then it's really just one object, and that is easier to position than many small ones. Cheers, Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems
TOP Posted in order to avoid snipping any of the data for future readers: Hi Zak, Thanks for your time patience in your reply. I agree with your synopsis and have experienced each of the issues you mentioned with one exception and the addition of the runaway scrolling. In case I didn't make it clear, the runaway scrolling occurred when I was moving the pages via the scrollbar so I could watch the page numbers easier. But I could make the same thing happen by scrolling wtih the mouse wheel. The exception is that these documents are OK in Word. Now and then few images will move to slightly beyond the page border edge but not many and they're pretty easy to spot and correct. My version of Word is Office for XP (Word 2002) so maybe that explains why mine works so much better if not almost perfectly for image positions. Unless I do something to cause repagination of the document, the images all remain aligned OK. My goal is to get rid of needing Word, but I'm just not even getting close, really. So I'll probably keep Word around until/unless LO gets to the point where it can handle my situation. My usual fix is just to break a large document into several smaller documents to get LO to handle it, although I haven't created a Master Document yet and don't know if that will bring back the problems. It didn't on another file I did that to. They aren't large images either in real estate or file size; they're about 1/16 of a page, most of them, and there may be 6 to 10 smaller ones per page in a table which is apt to really screw up in LO. One thin I haven't thought of is doing the editing in Web layout; that might be worth checking into. That's a good idea, I think. And yes, I always set layout controls on all images. Centered in tables and left in the body text, anchor in the same cell as the image. Thanks for the clarifcations and food for thought! HTH, Twayne` n news:op.vx31csk8ov9kiw@monster-linux.zuhause, Zak McKracken zak_mckrac...@openoffice.org typed: Oh, boy, sad story! LO (and OO before that, too) have troubles if you go over a certain image density (i.e. the ratio of images to text becomes too low). That will make positioning very difficult. I have alo noticed that sometimes the positioning of images does not seem to work as advertised, but that is always hard to be sure about since many of the image-placing criterions are not obvious. That said: I have had to clean up large documents with many images before, and this is how it worked best: Go to View - web layout, that shoud show you the document on one endless page, as wide as the LO window is. This is as close to the source of the document as you will get. You can then anchor all images where you want them to appear in the text. If the document was converted from MS Word maybe you should also make sure that each is inside a frame. I always set the frames to scale automatically in vertical direction, and the image inside it to 100% horizontal size (while keeping aspect ratio), then make oush the lower edge of the frame up, forcing it to become as small as its content allows it. I usually use the frame template and set it to top of the paragraph, right edge of the printable area, anchor to paragraph, as well as the sizing stuff. After that selecting a frame and doubleclicking the template will do the trick. Except if you habe multiple images in one paragraph of course, then you'll need to micro-manage, because they'll tend to overlap, even if they're not allowed to. After that is done, every image should have a proper anchor and know where it's supposed to go. That's when it's time to save (better save to a new filename, or save a new version) and switch to print layout. This is when LO will determine line and page breaks and so on. This will also cause some images to move because they were in the middle of a page break or so. There should now be much fewer images out of place than in the beginning, and those have to be moved by hand. I have never had one of the scrolling-runaway you describe, but still scrolling with an image in hand can be painful and you'll miss the right place too often. I usually set LO to display at least two pages side by side, or even more (glad to have a large screen!), then scroll to a point where I can see both the page where an image is and the page it's supposed to go to. I pull it over, and if the zoom should not allow me to position it right then, I just leave it in the vicinity, zoom in and finish the job. Thad said, as mentioned above, there seems to be a critical image density above which things go downhill. Last time I was useing MS word for a similar project, it had the same problem only worse, but that's a long time ago, so I can't tell how it is these days. In LO sometimes scaling images down a bit helps, or spacing them further apart (i.e. avoid having to images in one paragraph). That said: Both MS Word and LO
[libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems
Oh, boy, sad story! LO (and OO before that, too) have troubles if you go over a certain image density (i.e. the ratio of images to text becomes too low). That will make positioning very difficult. I have alo noticed that sometimes the positioning of images does not seem to work as advertised, but that is always hard to be sure about since many of the image-placing criterions are not obvious. That said: I have had to clean up large documents with many images before, and this is how it worked best: Go to View - web layout, that shoud show you the document on one endless page, as wide as the LO window is. This is as close to the source of the document as you will get. You can then anchor all images where you want them to appear in the text. If the document was converted from MS Word maybe you should also make sure that each is inside a frame. I always set the frames to scale automatically in vertical direction, and the image inside it to 100% horizontal size (while keeping aspect ratio), then make oush the lower edge of the frame up, forcing it to become as small as its content allows it. I usually use the frame template and set it to top of the paragraph, right edge of the printable area, anchor to paragraph, as well as the sizing stuff. After that selecting a frame and doubleclicking the template will do the trick. Except if you habe multiple images in one paragraph of course, then you'll need to micro-manage, because they'll tend to overlap, even if they're not allowed to. After that is done, every image should have a proper anchor and know where it's supposed to go. That's when it's time to save (better save to a new filename, or save a new version) and switch to print layout. This is when LO will determine line and page breaks and so on. This will also cause some images to move because they were in the middle of a page break or so. There should now be much fewer images out of place than in the beginning, and those have to be moved by hand. I have never had one of the scrolling-runaway you describe, but still scrolling with an image in hand can be painful and you'll miss the right place too often. I usually set LO to display at least two pages side by side, or even more (glad to have a large screen!), then scroll to a point where I can see both the page where an image is and the page it's supposed to go to. I pull it over, and if the zoom should not allow me to position it right then, I just leave it in the vicinity, zoom in and finish the job. Thad said, as mentioned above, there seems to be a critical image density above which things go downhill. Last time I was useing MS word for a similar project, it had the same problem only worse, but that's a long time ago, so I can't tell how it is these days. In LO sometimes scaling images down a bit helps, or spacing them further apart (i.e. avoid having to images in one paragraph). That said: Both MS Word and LO are not the same as a good graphical layout program. If visually pleasing and clean graphical design and good layout are priorities, there is probably other software out there that is better suited. I've heard good things about Scribus, but haven't really tested it. It is probably not suited well for large texts, though. Good luck, Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
