Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse [REPOS!]
On Fri, 2013-08-09 at 17:31 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because
most repos have such older versions that most people want to
upgrade.
This is generally not true for openSUSE.
There are repositories for the very latest GNOME [3.8.x], that includes
the latest and greatest Evolution and other related GNOME apps. And the
newer ones are *notably* better. Quality has improved amazingly in
recent versions.
GNOME 3.8
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/STABLE:/3.8/openSUSE_12.3
To add a repo is just zypper ar {URL} {NAME}. Then you can zypper
dup --from {NAME} to move to the packages offered by that repo.
For LibreOffice there is an unstable repo
zypper ar
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/
LibreOffice-Unstable
zypper dup --from LibreOffice-Unstable
This provides LibreOffice 4.1
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/ These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some clicks, no more efforts. For instructions on how to add a repository see: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Add_package_repositories For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#LibreOffice_STABLE I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there remain two problems. (1) The instruction mention a directory desktop-integration to be in the folder RPMS, but there is no such directory. (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/ These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some clicks, no more efforts. For instructions on how to add a repository see: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Add_package_repositories For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#LibreOffice_STABLE I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there remain two problems. (1) The instruction mention a directory desktop-integration to be in the folder RPMS, but there is no such directory. (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hello Davies, In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue. But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability. But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefor in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too. Anyway it's up to you. Best, Sina On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/ These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some clicks, no more efforts. For instructions on how to add a repository see: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Add_package_repositories For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories http://en.opensuse.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi :) +1 to normally installing from repos and the rest of your advice was is all good too. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 20:08 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse Hello Davies, In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue. But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability. But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefore in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too. Anyway it's up to you. Best, Sina On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi Regina, welcome to the wonderful world of linux. Feel free to ask questions as there is a learning curve :) I am not familiar with Suse but most linux flavours have a few consistencies. Not strictly answering your question but my thoughts: 1. With linux you are likely to have a number of workspaces and you can navigate left to right by using CTRL-ALT-Right Arrow or Left Arrow 2. I normally dedicate a workspace to LO (in my case workspace 4) 3. When I go to the desktop menu I can select the Office TAB and select (eg.) LibreOffice Writer which opens a blank document 4. F4 to close this document 5. the LO start center should appear on your desktop 6. I just leave the start center in that workspace whenever I need to use it Now a couple of qualifiers: I guess you are using KDE and I am not familiar with how you access the menu in step 3 (according to the doco there should be an office icon at the top of the screen - I am guessing you are not seeing that) Normally the office tab will have a libreoffice option which removes the need to open up a blank doc. A well intentioned update to 4.1 is causing a bit of strife in this regard. Hope this helps Tim On 08/10/2013 06:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to normally installing from repos and the rest of your advice was is all good too. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 20:08 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse Hello Davies, In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue. But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability. But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefore in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too. Anyway it's up to you. Best, Sina On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions
