[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-11-03 Thread Alex Thurgood

Le 25/10/2013 14:35, Ken Springer a écrit :

Hi Ken,



I have Mountain Lion installed with two boot partitions.  I wonder if,
destroying one by Mavericks would also destroy the ability to boot from
the other partition.


No, it doesn't and this is what saved me in the end. On my Mac mini I 
had two hard disks, and Mavericks installed itself in the end on the 
second one, overwriting the backup I had on it without telling me in 
advance (nice). After several reboots, I can now actually use a cordless 
mouse and my keyboard has been recognized again (why, I don't know). I 
can now even read the data on my old OSX installation drive, but not 
write to it. I see that the Mavericks installation created a folder 
there with disk images and other data in it, which I shall remove after 
saving it to external storage. At least I can now copy the contents of 
my old Applications folder to the new installation Applications folder.


I have to say, this has been the worst OSX upgrade I've ever had the 
misfortune to suffer. Had I only had one disk, I would've been well and 
truly stuffed.



Alex




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-11-01 Thread Stephan Bergmann

On 10/31/2013 06:41 PM, Marc Grober wrote:

I have rebooted and the crash on opening  (the result of letting LO try
to install java from software update on 10.9) of LO 4.1.2.3 has stopped.
LO is now back to prompting for java (there is no access to LO itself)
Tried saying yes to LO's java install via Software Update again -- this
time it results in no change in behavior

Am I correct here in concluding that neither Apple nor Oracle offer a 32
bit java for Mavericks and that as a result users who have updated to
Mavericks will simply be barred from using LO henceforth until some
unspecified time in the future?


No.  The Apple-provided JRE 6 supports both 32 and 64 bit.


Anyone know of an office suite that works with Mavericks, lol


Note that there are cases where LO works on Mavericks just fine.  There 
are other cases where it reportedly doesn't, but without more specific 
data it is hard to tell why (at lest for somebody who never was able to 
reproduce the problem).



if the problem is only in extensions,  can one use the command line
unopkg to lost and delete the extension causing the problem?


Quoting what I wrote in the LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 
(Mavericks) thread on this mailing list:  So, one quick fix for people 
who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing would probably be to move 
away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled in the LibreOffice 
installation.  To do that in Finder, first make sure LibreOffice is not 
running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka LibreOffice.app) 
application, from the right-click menu select 'Show Package Contents', 
there navigate from 'Contents' to 'share' to 'extensions' and move the 
'wiki-publisher' folder to the trash (or move it to some other place 
outside the 'extensions' folder).  Then create a new folder (with more 
or less arbitrary name, you can use 'Dummy') within the 'extensions' 
folder.  When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should be gone 
(it might show a 'LibreOffice quit unexpectedly' dialog once directly 
while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different story, in 
which case just press the 'Reopen' button).


Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-11-01 Thread Stephan Bergmann

On 10/25/2013 08:59 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote:

On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote:

I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar
checking or similar that uses Java.  That might explain it if you
experience
crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which
appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it
now stub).

Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed
(Tools
- Extension Manager...)?


Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes
bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be
instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first
letter in Writer.  (See
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html
Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.)

So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing
would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is
bundled in the LibreOffice installation.  To do that in Finder, first
make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice
(aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select
Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to
extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move
it to some other place outside the extensions folder).  Then create a
new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy)
within the extensions folder.  When you start LibreOffice again, the
problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly
dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a
different story, in which case just press the Reopen button).


Note that LO 4.1.3 for Mac OS X from 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download comes without a bundled Wiki 
Publisher extension.


Stephan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-11-01 Thread Marc Grober
Mavericks Apple Java WAS installed on my machine before LO was invoked, 
so it was not simply a matter of Java not being on the machine at the
time of the invocation if Apple supplies as before 32 and 64 bit Java.

How did anyone at LO argue that LO would work under Mavericks if using a
JVM crashes LO?  Under what circumstances will LO NOT crash if Use JVM
is selected prior to upgrade?  And if the devs knew that Mavericks would
cause LO to crash over a week ago, why wasn't that published clearly?

In my case Java was repeatedly installed after the LO problem, with no
impact on LO

LO  blew up even if one started the product by opening a calc file; one
did not have to open write and enter any keystrokes -- by blew up I mean
that the app simply disappears and generates no crash or error report. 
It does so starting from command line or gui  --  in any event my case
indicates that the problem IS NOT limited to entering text

It will still crash any time you access Zotero, though I now have it
stable enough that I can otherwise use it

so, at present, Zotero plugin will not work with LO because Zotero, no
matter the java supplied to the OS, will not recognize it.

I started a new thread because the existing one seemed to be slipping
sideways :-)


On 11/1/13, 1:24 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
 On 10/25/2013 08:59 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
 On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote:
 I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for
 spell/grammar
 checking or similar that uses Java.  That might explain it if you
 experience
 crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which
 appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a
 download it
 now stub).

 Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed
 (Tools
 - Extension Manager...)?

 Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes
 bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be
 instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first
 letter in Writer.  (See
 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html

 Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.)

 So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing
 would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is
 bundled in the LibreOffice installation.  To do that in Finder, first
 make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice
 (aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select
 Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to
 extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move
 it to some other place outside the extensions folder).  Then create a
 new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy)
 within the extensions folder.  When you start LibreOffice again, the
 problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly
 dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a
 different story, in which case just press the Reopen button).

 Note that LO 4.1.3 for Mac OS X from
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download comes without a bundled Wiki
 Publisher extension.

 Stephan





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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-31 Thread Marc Grober
I have rebooted and the crash on opening  (the result of letting LO try
to install java from software update on 10.9) of LO 4.1.2.3 has stopped.
LO is now back to prompting for java (there is no access to LO itself) 
Tried saying yes to LO's java install via Software Update again -- this
time it results in no change in behavior

Am I correct here in concluding that neither Apple nor Oracle offer a 32
bit java for Mavericks and that as a result users who have updated to
Mavericks will simply be barred from using LO henceforth until some
unspecified time in the future?

BRAVO!

Anyone know of an office suite that works with Mavericks, lol

if the problem is only in extensions,  can one use the command line
unopkg to lost and delete the extension causing the problem?
BUT
isn't the zotero plugin java based, and how many thousands of users are
going to be happy about doing without zotero?

At the least, LO should put up a huge banner that says that LO will not
necessarily work with Mavericks and that users are advised NOT to upgrade


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-25 Thread Stephan Bergmann

On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote:

I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar
checking or similar that uses Java.  That might explain it if you experience
crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which
appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it
now stub).

Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed (Tools
- Extension Manager...)?


Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes 
bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be 
instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first 
letter in Writer.  (See 
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html 
Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.)


So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing 
would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is 
bundled in the LibreOffice installation.  To do that in Finder, first 
make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice 
(aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select 
Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to 
extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move 
it to some other place outside the extensions folder).  Then create a 
new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy) 
within the extensions folder.  When you start LibreOffice again, the 
problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly 
dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a 
different story, in which case just press the Reopen button).


Stephan

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-25 Thread Alex Thurgood
On 23/10/2013 18:31, Ken Springer wrote:

 
 Alex, apologies for the cynicism, but they could have gotten a
 developer's preview version of Mavericks before it was released.  I have
 two commercial programs installed here that did just that, so they could
 have their software ready for the Mavericks release.
 
 I doubt money would have been an issue, anyone upgrading to Mavericks
 gets the new OS for free.
 

Well my upgrade to Mavericks hosed my MacMini OSX 10.8.5 installation
and the hard disk on which it was installed, to the extent that the
installation would not complete, the system would not reboot, and the
disk could not even be repaired - now that's what I call a
professionally made OS, thanks Apple ;-)


Will now have to see if TimeMachine did the backups properly...


Alex


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-25 Thread V Stuart Foote
Alex,

Ouch!  Any idea what failed, so as the rest of us can avoid it? ;-)   
I'd been looking at a Mavericks upgrade on a late model MacMini I've been 
playing with.

None the less good luck with recovery!

Stuart


From: Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:35 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

On 23/10/2013 18:31, Ken Springer wrote:


 Alex, apologies for the cynicism, but they could have gotten a
 developer's preview version of Mavericks before it was released.  I have
 two commercial programs installed here that did just that, so they could
 have their software ready for the Mavericks release.

 I doubt money would have been an issue, anyone upgrading to Mavericks
 gets the new OS for free.


Well my upgrade to Mavericks hosed my MacMini OSX 10.8.5 installation
and the hard disk on which it was installed, to the extent that the
installation would not complete, the system would not reboot, and the
disk could not even be repaired - now that's what I call a
professionally made OS, thanks Apple ;-)


Will now have to see if TimeMachine did the backups properly...


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-25 Thread Ken Springer

On 10/25/13 4:35 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:

On 23/10/2013 18:31, Ken Springer wrote:



Alex, apologies for the cynicism, but they could have gotten a
developer's preview version of Mavericks before it was released.  I have
two commercial programs installed here that did just that, so they could
have their software ready for the Mavericks release.

I doubt money would have been an issue, anyone upgrading to Mavericks
gets the new OS for free.



Well my upgrade to Mavericks hosed my MacMini OSX 10.8.5 installation
and the hard disk on which it was installed, to the extent that the
installation would not complete, the system would not reboot, and the
disk could not even be repaired - now that's what I call a
professionally made OS, thanks Apple ;-)


Things like this is why I'm leery of upgrading.  But I also see no 
reason to upgrade.  From reading Apple's Mavericks page, it sounds like 
the major changes are mostly better interoperability with iOS.  I don't 
have a single iOS device, so that means nothing to me.  Tabbed browsing 
I solved some time ago using XtraFinder (free).  Tags, which aren't the 
magic jelly bean for searches some think it is, are supported by 
PathFinder 6 which I also have installed.


I have Mountain Lion installed with two boot partitions.  I wonder if, 
destroying one by Mavericks would also destroy the ability to boot from 
the other partition.




Will now have to see if TimeMachine did the backups properly...


The couple times I've used Time Machine to restore my computer due to my 
errors, it's worked fine.


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Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.1.2


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Well found!!

Thanks for sharing that fix.  it's a bit weird to have something like that
enabled by default but i guess it is quite useful for a lot of people.
Personally i do all my wiki-editing either directly in the page's built-in
editor but occasionally copypaste into GEdit or something.  Word made me
suspicious of using a word-processor for that sort of thing and i've never
tried Writer for it.
Regards from
Tom :)






On 25 October 2013 07:59, Stephan Bergmann sberg...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote:

 I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar
 checking or similar that uses Java.  That might explain it if you
 experience
 crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which
 appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it
 now stub).

 Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed
 (Tools
 - Extension Manager...)?


 Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes
 bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be
 instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first
 letter in Writer.  (See http://lists.freedesktop.org/**
 archives/libreoffice/2013-**October/056991.htmlhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html
 Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.)

 So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing
 would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled
 in the LibreOffice installation.  To do that in Finder, first make sure
 LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka
 LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select Show
 Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to
 extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move it
 to some other place outside the extensions folder).  Then create a new
 folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy) within the
 extensions folder.  When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should
 be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly dialog once
 directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different
 story, in which case just press the Reopen button).

 Stephan

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-24 Thread sberg
Stefano,

I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar
checking or similar that uses Java.  That might explain it if you experience
crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which
appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it
now stub).

Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed (Tools
- Extension Manager...)?

(I cannot reproduce the problem here on a Mavericks box, where I went
through that Java download it now procedure shortly after upgrade from
Mountain Lion, and now have Java working apparently just fine in both 32-
and 64-bit builds of LibreOffice.)

Stephan



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-23 Thread Alex Thurgood
On 22/10/2013 12:47, S o H o N Y C wrote:

Hi,


 
   my copy of  LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start editing a 
 text document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even though it is 
 installed already. 
 
   Any ideas of a fix? maybe 4.1.3 RC1 can help? Thanks in advance for your 
 response
 


Currently, LO is released as a 32bit program on Mac OSX and consequently
requires a 32bit Java VM. Mountain Lion provides both 32bit and 64bit
versions of JVM, but I have no idea whether Maverick still continues to
provide that 32bit version of the Apple supplied JVM.

Additionally, there may simply be as yet undiscovered bugs in LO with
regard to Maverick. As far as I know, no one on the Mac dev team is
building LO on OSX Maverick (hardly surprising as it was only officially
released yesterday ?). It is possible to obtain test releases of LO for
the 64bit architecture, but these are considered works in progress. Look
for the OSX daily builds with the x86_64 tag, there used to be at least
one machine producing them.

My own-built 64bit developer builds seem to work mostly OK, but I
haven't made the switch to Maverick yet.


Alex




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Actually it is probably better to just switch Java off.  Chances are that
you are not really using it anyway so you can avoid these sorts of issues
just by switching it off
Tools - Options - Advanced ?
and UNtick the box at the very top that asks if you want to use the broken
mess of Oracle coding that we lovingly call Java and that Homeland Security
have apparently warned companies to stop using.

If you really are using Java then you will just get an error message at
some point in the future at which point you just re-tick the box.  Not much
of a problem.

LibreOffice used to have quite a lot of Java in it's code but that has
almost entirely been written out or converted to Python or C++ which are a
LOT more stable and far less dependant on the whims of a single
profit-making company.

At some point Oracle will probably release a Professional or Enterprise
version of Java which will fix most of the problems that Java currently has
but it's not clear how much they would charge or what licensing they would
use.  So far they seem to have been following a good strategy for turning
something from being free into making it profitable although it'/s not
clear whether that was their intention or whether they really are
incompetent at producing secure coding.  (just my own opinion)

About 6 months - 1 year ago there was a report saying that only around 12%
of LibreOffice's code was still in java and most of that was in wizards
that almost no-one ever uses.  That 12% will probably have shrunk quite
drastically.  Java also sometimes gets used is when using Base with it's
internal back-end (which is possibly the worst way of using Base right
now).  Generally start with that but then swiftly move the data tables into
something like MySql (Oracle's again), MariaDB (doesn't work on Macs
apparently), Postgresql or one of the tiny fast back-ends fro smaller
databases.  There is work going on to switch to a more recent version of a
different database program for the internal back-end and that should be a
huge improvement.

The only other place Java gets used is a lot of the Accessibility stuff
such as screen-readers.  Sadly there is no way around that one :(  We are
hoping that a ton of coding gets pulled in from external sources to
massively improve accessibility.  There are people working on the
accessibility stuff so if you have Java for that they might be able to help
but their fixes might not be relevant for other users.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 23 October 2013 10:05, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/10/2013 12:47, S o H o N Y C wrote:

 Hi,


 
my copy of  LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start
 editing a text document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even
 though it is installed already.
 
Any ideas of a fix? maybe 4.1.3 RC1 can help? Thanks in advance for
 your response
 


 Currently, LO is released as a 32bit program on Mac OSX and consequently
 requires a 32bit Java VM. Mountain Lion provides both 32bit and 64bit
 versions of JVM, but I have no idea whether Maverick still continues to
 provide that 32bit version of the Apple supplied JVM.

 Additionally, there may simply be as yet undiscovered bugs in LO with
 regard to Maverick. As far as I know, no one on the Mac dev team is
 building LO on OSX Maverick (hardly surprising as it was only officially
 released yesterday ?). It is possible to obtain test releases of LO for
 the 64bit architecture, but these are considered works in progress. Look
 for the OSX daily builds with the x86_64 tag, there used to be at least
 one machine producing them.

 My own-built 64bit developer builds seem to work mostly OK, but I
 haven't made the switch to Maverick yet.


 Alex




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-23 Thread Ken Springer

On 10/23/13 3:05 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:

On 22/10/2013 12:47, S o H o N Y C wrote:

Hi,




   my copy of  LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start editing a 
text document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even though it is 
installed already.

   Any ideas of a fix? maybe 4.1.3 RC1 can help? Thanks in advance for your 
response




Currently, LO is released as a 32bit program on Mac OSX and consequently
requires a 32bit Java VM. Mountain Lion provides both 32bit and 64bit
versions of JVM, but I have no idea whether Maverick still continues to
provide that 32bit version of the Apple supplied JVM.

Additionally, there may simply be as yet undiscovered bugs in LO with
regard to Maverick. As far as I know, no one on the Mac dev team is
building LO on OSX Maverick (hardly surprising as it was only officially
released yesterday ?).


Alex, apologies for the cynicism, but they could have gotten a 
developer's preview version of Mavericks before it was released.  I have 
two commercial programs installed here that did just that, so they could 
have their software ready for the Mavericks release.


I doubt money would have been an issue, anyone upgrading to Mavericks 
gets the new OS for free.



It is possible to obtain test releases of LO for
the 64bit architecture, but these are considered works in progress. Look
for the OSX daily builds with the x86_64 tag, there used to be at least
one machine producing them.

My own-built 64bit developer builds seem to work mostly OK, but I
haven't made the switch to Maverick yet.


Alex







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Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.1.2


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-22 Thread Ken Springer

On 10/22/13 2:50 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2013-10-22 6:47 AM, S o H o N Y C soho...@icloud.com wrote:

my copy of  LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start editing a text 
document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even though it is installed 
already.


What platform?


It's in the subject line!   BG  Sorry, couldn't resist! LOL


What version of java (32bit or 64bit) Libreoffice will only work with
32bit java.




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