Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
- Original Message > From: todd rme > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 17:05:00 > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice > > >> Hi :) > >> Have bug-reports been posted? I think the issues are quite important to >get > >> fixed. > > > > Yes, a bunch: > > svg (LibreOffice Bugzilla): 36511, 36520, 37895, 37994, 34720, 36154, > > 36890, 37072, 31460, 33554, 32248 > > eps (OpenOffice.org Bugzilla): 12059, 117071, 93629, 84177, 24254 > > The discussion in the first eps bug I listed I took to basically be > > saying that the developers were happy enough with the existing > > functionality (rendering previews) so this bug was not going to be > > fixed, so I never bothered making a new one in the LibreOffice > > bugzilla. Is there any point requesting support for native eps > > rendering, or are the LibreOffice developers of the same opinion as > > the one stated in this bug? > > > > Todd > > > > > > Hi :) > > I would post again but to the LibreOffice bug-team this time. OpenOffice >had > > different owners and had to deal with different constraints. A high >percentage > > of devs in LibreOffice are new and the ones that aren't have finally been >freed > > to get on with stuff. > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > Done: Bug 38161 > > So what is the decision on the svg embedding? For me at lest SVG > support is even more important than EPS support. > > Todd > Hi :) I don't think there is a definite final answer yet. It seems that Svg work is scheduled for Googles' Summer of Code (GSoC). So, hopefully it wont get worked on before that ;) lol. Otherwise they'll have to re-schedule what they are doing for GSoC. Good luck and regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 2011-06-10, Cor Nouws wrote: > Nuno J. Silva wrote (10-06-11 20:08) >> But I'm curious about the windows-only bit. > > Well, that's something I happened to see, since I'm cc'ed on the OOo > isue about this. The (prev.) responsible dev. stated that indeed there > is a library involved. I guess Gary will come up with details. Oh, found it: OOo bug 49991. ka's answer explains it, just a missing library. Thanks! -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
Nuno J. Silva wrote (10-06-11 20:08) I apologize for making it harder for you to keep up, by adding another message to the thread! :-) LOL :-) But I'm curious about the windows-only bit. Well, that's something I happened to see, since I'm cc'ed on the OOo isue about this. The (prev.) responsible dev. stated that indeed there is a library involved. I guess Gary will come up with details. Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 11/06/11 6:08 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-06-10, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi all, todd rme wrote (10-06-11 18:05) So what is the decision on the svg embedding? Sorry, I've not been able to keep up with this mail discussion. (Still owe people from last weeks Monday /Tuesday a reply :-\ ) I apologize for making it harder for you to keep up, by adding another message to the thread! :-) I had a look some days ago and got the impression that there were differences between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org . And maybe some more things. I guess there's "some more thing": NoOp could only see the better embedding in OOo *for Windows*, not in Linux: ,[NoOp's message of Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:19:37 -0700] | | On 06/08/2011 03:29 PM, Zak McKracken wrote: |> Am 08.06.2011, 19:38 Uhr, schrieb NoOp... |>> Which version did you try? I've tried both: |>> http://download.openoffice.org/next/other.html#dev2 |>> and |>> http://download.openoffice.org/all_beta.html |>> (linux Intel DEB) |> |> The latter one, 3.4 beta1. But I tested it only on Windows XP. | | Just tried on WinXP& it does indeed work there. So their linux version | has issues. I'll add a note to the bug report. ` Maybe the windows version uses some windows-only library, or even windows built-in features to handle SVG? What I have been told, is that certain changes for OOO 3.4.0 rc, have not been implemented in LibreOffice at the moment, but that it is the intention to do that at a next minor release. So that would be 3.5.0 Integration takes time, so, yes, I'd expect some kind of delay. Maybe this explains part of the situation (or maybe it even already has been written by someone ;-) ) It explains. But I'm curious about the windows-only bit. Hi. May be the same handling that allows the Mac to show EPSs correctly on screen, from the vector art and not from the preview. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 2011-06-10, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hi all, > > todd rme wrote (10-06-11 18:05) > >> So what is the decision on the svg embedding? > > Sorry, I've not been able to keep up with this mail discussion. (Still > owe people from last weeks Monday /Tuesday a reply :-\ ) I apologize for making it harder for you to keep up, by adding another message to the thread! :-) > I had a look some days ago and got the impression that there were > differences between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org . And maybe some > more things. I guess there's "some more thing": NoOp could only see the better embedding in OOo *for Windows*, not in Linux: ,[NoOp's message of Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:19:37 -0700] | | On 06/08/2011 03:29 PM, Zak McKracken wrote: | > Am 08.06.2011, 19:38 Uhr, schrieb NoOp... | >> Which version did you try? I've tried both: | >> http://download.openoffice.org/next/other.html#dev2 | >> and | >> http://download.openoffice.org/all_beta.html | >> (linux Intel DEB) | > | > The latter one, 3.4 beta1. But I tested it only on Windows XP. | | Just tried on WinXP & it does indeed work there. So their linux version | has issues. I'll add a note to the bug report. ` Maybe the windows version uses some windows-only library, or even windows built-in features to handle SVG? > What I have been told, is that certain changes for OOO 3.4.0 rc, have > not been implemented in LibreOffice at the moment, but that it is the > intention to do that at a next minor release. So that would be 3.5.0 Integration takes time, so, yes, I'd expect some kind of delay. > Maybe this explains part of the situation (or maybe it even already > has been written by someone ;-) ) It explains. But I'm curious about the windows-only bit. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
Hi all, todd rme wrote (10-06-11 18:05) So what is the decision on the svg embedding? Sorry, I've not been able to keep up with this mail discussion. (Still owe people from last weeks Monday /Tuesday a reply :-\ ) I had a look some days ago and got the impression that there were differences between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org . And maybe some more things. What I have been told, is that certain changes for OOO 3.4.0 rc, have not been implemented in LibreOffice at the moment, but that it is the intention to do that at a next minor release. So that would be 3.5.0 Maybe this explains part of the situation (or maybe it even already has been written by someone ;-) ) Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
>> Hi :) >> Have bug-reports been posted? I think the issues are quite important to get >> fixed. > > Yes, a bunch: > svg (LibreOffice Bugzilla): 36511, 36520, 37895, 37994, 34720, 36154, > 36890, 37072, 31460, 33554, 32248 > eps (OpenOffice.org Bugzilla): 12059, 117071, 93629, 84177, 24254 > The discussion in the first eps bug I listed I took to basically be > saying that the developers were happy enough with the existing > functionality (rendering previews) so this bug was not going to be > fixed, so I never bothered making a new one in the LibreOffice > bugzilla. Is there any point requesting support for native eps > rendering, or are the LibreOffice developers of the same opinion as > the one stated in this bug? > > Todd > > > Hi :) > I would post again but to the LibreOffice bug-team this time. OpenOffice had > different owners and had to deal with different constraints. A high > percentage > of devs in LibreOffice are new and the ones that aren't have finally been > freed > to get on with stuff. > > Regards from > Tom :) Done: Bug 38161 So what is the decision on the svg embedding? For me at lest SVG support is even more important than EPS support. -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
From: todd rme To: us...@libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 13:05:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > From: todd rme > To: us...@libreoffice.org > Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 14:04:31 > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> From: todd rme >> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken >> wrote: >>> Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : >>> >>>> Hi :) >>>> In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to >>>> choose >>>> "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. >>> >>> Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With >>> EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. >>> To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill >>> EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview >>> images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the >>> EPS images and reduce the raster images. >>> This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 >> >> >> It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. >> EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. >> >> Todd >> >> >> Hi :) >> Is this only problem with 3.4.0? I thought one of the remaining problems was >> the non-vector images getting compressed so i was hoping to help you get > around >> that. Sorry it didn't help. >> Good luck and regards from >> Tom :) > > I haven't tried 3.4, but the EPS images stopped working in 3.3 and SVG > images have never worked. After dicussing the problem, I am not sure > how the EPS images ever worked, perhaps they had embedding that was > stripped somehow. Of course, using the embedded raster image > completely defeats the purpose of using vector artwork in the first > place. > > Most of the programs I use for vector artwork can produce EPS or SVG > files just fine, but being able to properly display some sort of > vector artwork in impress seems critical to me. Differences in > projector resolution can seriously degrade the appearance of raster > artwork. > > Todd > > > Hi :) > Have bug-reports been posted? I think the issues are quite important to get > fixed. Yes, a bunch: svg (LibreOffice Bugzilla): 36511, 36520, 37895, 37994, 34720, 36154, 36890, 37072, 31460, 33554, 32248 eps (OpenOffice.org Bugzilla): 12059, 117071, 93629, 84177, 24254 The discussion in the first eps bug I listed I took to basically be saying that the developers were happy enough with the existing functionality (rendering previews) so this bug was not going to be fixed, so I never bothered making a new one in the LibreOffice bugzilla. Is there any point requesting support for native eps rendering, or are the LibreOffice developers of the same opinion as the one stated in this bug? Todd Hi :) I would post again but to the LibreOffice bug-team this time. OpenOffice had different owners and had to deal with different constraints. A high percentage of devs in LibreOffice are new and the ones that aren't have finally been freed to get on with stuff. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > From: todd rme > To: us...@libreoffice.org > Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 14:04:31 > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> From: todd rme >> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken >> wrote: >>> Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : >>> >>>> Hi :) >>>> In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to >>>> choose >>>> "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. >>> >>> Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With >>> EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. >>> To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill >>> EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview >>> images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the >>> EPS images and reduce the raster images. >>> This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 >> >> >> It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. >> EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. >> >> Todd >> >> >> Hi :) >> Is this only problem with 3.4.0? I thought one of the remaining problems >> was >> the non-vector images getting compressed so i was hoping to help you get > around >> that. Sorry it didn't help. >> Good luck and regards from >> Tom :) > > I haven't tried 3.4, but the EPS images stopped working in 3.3 and SVG > images have never worked. After dicussing the problem, I am not sure > how the EPS images ever worked, perhaps they had embedding that was > stripped somehow. Of course, using the embedded raster image > completely defeats the purpose of using vector artwork in the first > place. > > Most of the programs I use for vector artwork can produce EPS or SVG > files just fine, but being able to properly display some sort of > vector artwork in impress seems critical to me. Differences in > projector resolution can seriously degrade the appearance of raster > artwork. > > Todd > > > Hi :) > Have bug-reports been posted? I think the issues are quite important to get > fixed. Yes, a bunch: svg (LibreOffice Bugzilla): 36511, 36520, 37895, 37994, 34720, 36154, 36890, 37072, 31460, 33554, 32248 eps (OpenOffice.org Bugzilla): 12059, 117071, 93629, 84177, 24254 The discussion in the first eps bug I listed I took to basically be saying that the developers were happy enough with the existing functionality (rendering previews) so this bug was not going to be fixed, so I never bothered making a new one in the LibreOffice bugzilla. Is there any point requesting support for native eps rendering, or are the LibreOffice developers of the same opinion as the one stated in this bug? -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 2011-06-09, Steve Edmonds wrote: > On 2011-06-09 11:35, Zak McKracken wrote: > >> Am 08.06.2011, 23:07 Uhr, schrieb Steve Edmonds >> : >> >>> OO and LO print EPS correctly for me to non-eps printers (my epson >>> C87), printing the vector graphics cleanly. Mac and Linux, both use >>> CUPS as the print engine. Are you printing from Linux, what printer >>> driver are you using. >>> steve >> >> Very strange, for me they definitely do not print correctly. >> I'm printing from my Windows XP PC to a Canon iP5000, and all I get is >> the same as in the PDF export, which is the eps preview image. [...] >> I'm very curious if you can >> - print it directly from LO to a non-eps printer, and >> - convert it to pdf >> while getting the full verctor graphics goodness out of it. [...] > Hi. This might be a windows bug (just the way windows prints, and always > has). AFAIK, CUPS relies on ghostscript, a postscript interpretator, and it seems LibO prints in postscript when using CUPS. While in windows printing is done by GDI, which is different. So while with CUPS priting always generates postscript, in windows it only generates if the printer driver does the GDI->PostScript translation. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 10/06/11 12:28 AM, todd rme wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken wrote: Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to choose "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the EPS images and reduce the raster images. This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. Hi, just tried and on my mac, LO 3.4, eps images show the vector art in Impress. LO either passes the image off to the OS for display or mac code has EPS display fixed. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 2011-06-09, todd rme wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> From: todd rme >> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken >> wrote: >>> Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : >>> Hi :) In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to choose "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. >>> >>> Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With >>> EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. >>> To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill >>> EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview >>> images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the >>> EPS images and reduce the raster images. >>> This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 Export to PDF uses the raster previews. Best (and only?) solution for now is really printing to postscript and converting. PostScript and PDF are not easy to mix. Even with LaTeX you can't use EPS when running pdflatex. (You have to convert EPS to PDF) >> >> >> It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. >> EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. >> >> Todd >> >> >> Hi :) >> Is this only problem with 3.4.0? I thought one of the remaining problems >> was >> the non-vector images getting compressed so i was hoping to help you get >> around >> that. Sorry it didn't help. >> Good luck and regards from >> Tom :) > > I haven't tried 3.4, but the EPS images stopped working in 3.3 and SVG > images have never worked. After dicussing the problem, I am not sure > how the EPS images ever worked, perhaps they had embedding that was > stripped somehow. Of course, using the embedded raster image > completely defeats the purpose of using vector artwork in the first > place. At least on older versions -- don't know if this still applies -- OOo would generate a preview if the image had no raster preview, but as that involved a funny bug involving endless calls to ImageMagick's convert when the raster previews were too big to be cached, maybe that was disabled. A quick test with a random EPS I found shows me a preview raster, with LibreOffice 3.3.2 OOO330m19 (Build:202) tag libreoffice-3.3.2.2 But I don't know if the image has a preview raster builtin. > Most of the programs I use for vector artwork can produce EPS or SVG > files just fine, but being able to properly display some sort of > vector artwork in impress seems critical to me. Differences in > projector resolution can seriously degrade the appearance of raster > artwork. LibO also supports Windows MetaFile and Enhanced MetaFile. IIRC they have some issues (or maybe the metafiles I was using were badly converted). But you can try converting your EPS to EMF and see if the result is good enough. I've some notes around here saying it's done with pstoedit, with the option to generate EMF. The same notes mention running fixps, generating svg with pstoedit and converting back to eps with inkscape -- this was probably a workaroud for some postscript files that pstoedit didn't like. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 06/09/2011 09:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote: From: todd rme To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 14:04:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Tom Davies wrote: From: todd rme On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken wrote: Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to choose "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the EPS images and reduce the raster images. This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. Todd Hi :) Is this only problem with 3.4.0? I thought one of the remaining problems was the non-vector images getting compressed so i was hoping to help you get around that. Sorry it didn't help. Good luck and regards from Tom :) I haven't tried 3.4, but the EPS images stopped working in 3.3 and SVG images have never worked. After dicussing the problem, I am not sure how the EPS images ever worked, perhaps they had embedding that was stripped somehow. Of course, using the embedded raster image completely defeats the purpose of using vector artwork in the first place. Most of the programs I use for vector artwork can produce EPS or SVG files just fine, but being able to properly display some sort of vector artwork in impress seems critical to me. Differences in projector resolution can seriously degrade the appearance of raster artwork. Todd So should we still install the SVG Import extension? Does it work properly with LO 3.3.x and 3.4.x? Or is that import filter really built into the package? Hi :) Have bug-reports been posted? I think the issues are quite important to get fixed. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport It's better to avoid the 3.4.0 at the moment unless you like bug-testing. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
From: todd rme To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 14:04:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > From: todd rme > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken > wrote: >> Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : >> >>> Hi :) >>> In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to >>> choose >>> "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. >> >> Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With >> EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. >> To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill >> EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview >> images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the >> EPS images and reduce the raster images. >> This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 > > > It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. > EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. > > Todd > > > Hi :) > Is this only problem with 3.4.0? I thought one of the remaining problems was > the non-vector images getting compressed so i was hoping to help you get around > that. Sorry it didn't help. > Good luck and regards from > Tom :) I haven't tried 3.4, but the EPS images stopped working in 3.3 and SVG images have never worked. After dicussing the problem, I am not sure how the EPS images ever worked, perhaps they had embedding that was stripped somehow. Of course, using the embedded raster image completely defeats the purpose of using vector artwork in the first place. Most of the programs I use for vector artwork can produce EPS or SVG files just fine, but being able to properly display some sort of vector artwork in impress seems critical to me. Differences in projector resolution can seriously degrade the appearance of raster artwork. Todd Hi :) Have bug-reports been posted? I think the issues are quite important to get fixed. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport It's better to avoid the 3.4.0 at the moment unless you like bug-testing. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > From: todd rme > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken > wrote: >> Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : >> >>> Hi :) >>> In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to >>> choose >>> "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. >> >> Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With >> EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. >> To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill >> EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview >> images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the >> EPS images and reduce the raster images. >> This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 > > > It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. > EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. > > Todd > > > Hi :) > Is this only problem with 3.4.0? I thought one of the remaining problems was > the non-vector images getting compressed so i was hoping to help you get > around > that. Sorry it didn't help. > Good luck and regards from > Tom :) I haven't tried 3.4, but the EPS images stopped working in 3.3 and SVG images have never worked. After dicussing the problem, I am not sure how the EPS images ever worked, perhaps they had embedding that was stripped somehow. Of course, using the embedded raster image completely defeats the purpose of using vector artwork in the first place. Most of the programs I use for vector artwork can produce EPS or SVG files just fine, but being able to properly display some sort of vector artwork in impress seems critical to me. Differences in projector resolution can seriously degrade the appearance of raster artwork. -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
From: todd rme To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 13:28:23 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken wrote: > Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : > >> Hi :) >> In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to >> choose >> "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. > > Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With > EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. > To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill > EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview > images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the > EPS images and reduce the raster images. > This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. Todd Hi :) Is this only problem with 3.4.0? I thought one of the remaining problems was the non-vector images getting compressed so i was hoping to help you get around that. Sorry it didn't help. Good luck and regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Zak McKracken wrote: > Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : > >> Hi :) >> In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to >> choose >> "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. > > Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With > EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. > To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill > EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview > images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the > EPS images and reduce the raster images. > This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 It is also an issue in impress, where there is no printing involved. EPS images don't show up, SVG images tend to be horribly broken. -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
On 2011-06-09 11:35, Zak McKracken wrote: > Am 08.06.2011, 23:07 Uhr, schrieb Steve Edmonds > : > > >> OO and LO print EPS correctly for me to non-eps printers (my epson >> C87), printing the vector graphics cleanly. Mac and Linux, both use >> CUPS as the print engine. Are you printing from Linux, what printer >> driver are you using. >> steve > > Very strange, for me they definitely do not print correctly. > I'm printing from my Windows XP PC to a Canon iP5000, and all I get is > the same as in the PDF export, which is the eps preview image. > This may have to do with how the preview looks like, maybe? Some EPS > files have a very hi-res preview, and as I just learned from > Microsoft, Word creates one of its own. I usually add a very low-res > preview to the EPS at creation. I've attached an example with a very > coarse preview (and a SVG version for comparison). > I'm very curious if you can > - print it directly from LO to a non-eps printer, and > - convert it to pdf > while getting the full verctor graphics goodness out of it. > You should be able to zoom fairly far in, and you should also be able > to see the different thicknesses of the coloured curves versus the > hairline tangential lines. > If I even just put them into a writer document, it looks pretty > ridiculous already, and the pdf looks just as bad. > > > I think this should clearly show the use of having a properly > embeddable and printable vector image format. > Hi. This might be a windows bug (just the way windows prints, and always has). The bitmap image with an EPS with vector art is like a preview. Sometimes I don't even create a preview with my EPSs, just position the frame (empty on screen). Printing has worked fine for years in OO and now LO on linux and mac. The great thing about LO on the mac is that LO displays the actual vector art of an EPS, even when there is no preview. Wonder if you can install CUPS for windows. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
I just inserted the arrow.svg into a ODS using OOo 3.4 Beta. The interesting results are: 1) Opening the ODS in LibreOffice shows the blur (while if I insert the svg in LO it won't) 2) Exporting to PDF has higher quality in LO than OOo -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/SVG-embedding-in-LibreOffice-tp3033541p3042519.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
Am 08.06.2011, 23:07 Uhr, schrieb Steve Edmonds : OO and LO print EPS correctly for me to non-eps printers (my epson C87), printing the vector graphics cleanly. Mac and Linux, both use CUPS as the print engine. Are you printing from Linux, what printer driver are you using. steve Very strange, for me they definitely do not print correctly. I'm printing from my Windows XP PC to a Canon iP5000, and all I get is the same as in the PDF export, which is the eps preview image. This may have to do with how the preview looks like, maybe? Some EPS files have a very hi-res preview, and as I just learned from Microsoft, Word creates one of its own. I usually add a very low-res preview to the EPS at creation. I've attached an example with a very coarse preview (and a SVG version for comparison). I'm very curious if you can - print it directly from LO to a non-eps printer, and - convert it to pdf while getting the full verctor graphics goodness out of it. You should be able to zoom fairly far in, and you should also be able to see the different thicknesses of the coloured curves versus the hairline tangential lines. If I even just put them into a writer document, it looks pretty ridiculous already, and the pdf looks just as bad. I think this should clearly show the use of having a properly embeddable and printable vector image format. Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: SVG embedding in LibreOffice
Am 08.06.2011, 22:41 Uhr, schrieb Tom Davies : Hi :) In OpenOffice and LibreOffice the Export to Pdf option allows you to choose "lossless" compression or change the percentage of jpg compression. Yes, but that applies only to raster graphics, not to vector formats. With EPS images, only the preview image will be dumped in the pdf. To summarize: The built-in pdf export preserves my raster graphics but kill EPS images (for me at least. Some people apparently have very hires preview images inther EPSs). printing it .ps file and using ps2pdf will preserve the EPS images and reduce the raster images. This behaviour has not changed since OOo 1.0 Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
